Lessons from Dock Ellis
"Furthermore, the team now seemed intimidated by Cincinnati's "Big Red Machine." "Cincinnati will bullshit with us and kick our ass and laugh at us," Ellis said. "They're the only team that talk about us like a dog." Ellis single-handedly decided to break the Pirates out of their emotional slump, announcing that "We gonna get down. We gonna do the do. I'm going to hit these motherfuckers." True to his word, in the first inning of the first regular-season game he pitched against the Reds, Ellis hit leadoff batter Pete Rose in the ribs, then plunked Joe Morgan in the kidney, and loaded the bases by hitting Dan Driessen in the back. Tony Perez, batting cleanup, dodged a succession of Ellis' pitches to walk and force in a run. The next hitter was Johnny Bench. "I tried to deck him twice," Ellis recalled. "I threw at his jaw, and he moved. I threw at the back of his head, and he moved." At this point, Pittsburgh manager Danny Murtaugh removed Ellis from the game. But his strategy worked: the Pirates snapped out of their lethargy to win a division title in 1974, while the Reds failed to win their division for the first time in three years."
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Re: Lessons from Dock Ellis
by SpringTrainingFun on Apr 3, 2006 10:06 AM EDT reply actions
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Still though . . . let's apply the Dock Ellis example literally in 2006. What happens when Buehrle beams Hafner again?
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My earlier comment was that in today's game, you can't go out there on the bump and throw at every hitter. The game simply is not played that way. Back in the days of Bob Gibson, if you hit a dinger off him, you were going to catch one in the ribs or have one aimed at your head regardless if you were a nice guy or not. That simply is not tolerated today.
by SpringTrainingFun on Apr 3, 2006 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
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However, the point is well taken. Before the game started last night, I had the feeling that the Indians really wanted to set the tone byt really taking it to the Sox. All I seemed to hear during the last two Spring Training games was how anxious they were to get started. Despite the outcome of the game, I liked what I saw from some players. I think CC had a lot of pressure on him to perform well, and I think he handled it well. I wish he didn't get hurt and that there was no rain delay. Because of it, the game was suddenly thrust upon veteran trying to make a comback and a young player trying to keep things together. I also liked Michael's hustle... it just looks like the guy plays all out. Offensively, I think a lot of things rely on Sizemore's ability to get things going. Back in the day, it always seemed that if Lofton played well, the Indians followed suit.
Just some thoughts.
by Slovenc0417 @ Let's Go Tribe! on Apr 3, 2006 10:23 AM EDT reply actions
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I just think he needs to lose some weight. The older he gets, the harder it's going to be for him to carry that around. I think he's been healthy because he has a pretty smooth delivery. I know he's never going to be 240, but there has to be a happy medium between what he and LeBron weigh.
by rog on Apr 3, 2006 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
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LeBron? I will settle for LeCharles.
by Bernie19Kosar on Apr 5, 2006 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
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It's always hard to say how an athlete's physicality relates to his health.
Jay, maybe you can share some insight based on your discussion with Will Carroll.
There certainly have been athletes that are physical specimens that continually get hurt, i.e. Ken Griffey Jr. I always remember Belle getting worked over by the trainer in the outfield before every game. I'm not saying it's as simple as stretching properly, but there has to be something he can do.
by Slovenc0417 @ Let's Go Tribe! on Apr 3, 2006 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
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Eric Davis is another one that comes to mind.
by mkwng @ Let's Go Tribe! on Apr 3, 2006 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
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by gogiggs on Apr 3, 2006 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
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Micheals made a few great plays, on a totally drenched field. Boone also looked great.
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by SpringTrainingFun on Apr 3, 2006 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
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I strongly disagree, but it matters not. Crisp is history.
by SpringTrainingFun on Apr 3, 2006 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
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by SpringTrainingFun on Apr 3, 2006 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
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Kos
by Kos @ Let's Go Tribe! on Apr 3, 2006 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
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Jay claims that Michael's arm is "significantly better" than Crisp's.
That is what I'm disputing. I hope I'm wrong.
by SpringTrainingFun on Apr 3, 2006 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
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I think we all know that the first priority has to be to get off to a good start. The past two Aprils have been disaster.
On the long reliever, I think you build a bullpen based on your strenghs. And I think the FO really does not want Davis to be a 3-4 inning pitcher anymore. So we have a bunch of 2 inning guys, with more available in Buffalo. That's OK -- better than force fitting someone into the role.
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by rog on Apr 3, 2006 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Jay on Apr 3, 2006 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
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