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Game Thread: September 3, 2006

Cleveland at Texas, 2:05 PM (WKYC 3)

Starting Pitchers:

Cleveland: Paul Byrd (9-6, 4.74 ERA)
Texas: Kevin Millwood (13-9, 4.64 ERA)

It's hard to control my enthusiasm for the miracle we witnessed last night.  The joy of it, the shock of the unexpected but often dreamt-of, the sense of giddyness, the realization of so many hopes and dreams that seemed like they'd never arrive.  Yes, it's still hard to believe it really happened, but Cliff Lee really did make it through seven innings last night.

In honor of today's matchup, let's take a moment to reassess one of the key questions of the past offseason, whether Paul Byrd could be nearly as valuable as Kevin Millwood.  The ERAs look similar, but Millwood has made two more starts, and Byrd has given up 16 unearned runs to Millwood's 6.  Millwood also leads in Quality Starts, 17 to 14.  Byrd famously has had massive Run Support from his lineup, leading Millwood 7.26 to 5.41, a difference of about 1.2 runs per start ? per start, think about that for a second.  This is tempered a bit by Millwood's vastly better Bullpen Support, which has been 5.91 runs better than Byrd's ? but that's piddling compared to Byrd's Run Support advantage, which works out to over 32 runs on the season.

Over at Baseball Prospectus, where support-neutrality is Job One, Millwood shows up with 11.0 "expected wins" to Byrd's 9.9.  Since presumably nobody thinks you pay $34 million for 1.1 wins, the Tribe is looking pretty good on that one.  The Hardball Times, on the other hand, gives Millwood a 21-run advantage in "Pitching Runs Created," 68 to 47, and Millwood also has the edge in "Fielding Independent Pitching," 3.87 to 4.69 -- Millwood turns out to be one of the league leaders in HMYDISY.

The bottom line, if there must be one, is that using the conventional stats, Millwood looks only marginally better than Byrd this season, but digging deeper, the difference is somewhat more profound.  Whether that difference is worth $5 million this season, let alone the $34 million difference in their guaranteed contracts, is a further question.  But as a rule, teams can expect to get the best single-season return on a free agent in the first year of his deal, due to injury risks over time and the fact that over 90 percent of free agents are in the decline phase of their careers.

What that means, in a nutshell, is that a big, multiyear contract is never likelier to look better than it does at the end of its first year.  Millwood looks like a nice but not momentous upgrade over Byrd at the moment.  But what will they look like in another year or two?

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Re: Game Thread: September 3, 2006
Who knew that Byrd had a 9-game unbeaten streak?  From the game preview:

Veteran right-hander Paul Byrd tries to run his unbeaten streak to 10 games this afternoon when the Cleveland Indians conclude their three-game series with the Texas Rangers at Ameriquest Field.

Byrd, though, is just 3-0 during his streak and also has a start in his run that saw him allow nine runs (three earned) in just two-thirds of an inning. Byrd picked up the win in his last start on Monday against the Toronto Blue Jays, as he yielded four runs (three earned) on 10 hits in five innings to improve to 9-6 on the season, while raising his earned run average to 4.74.


by APV on Sep 3, 2006 2:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: September 3, 2006
I must say, this is not the most inspiring lineup for trying to complete back-to-back sweeps.  Michaels in the 3 hole, Peralta at 5, and Shoppach and Boone occupying the bottom two spots.

by APV on Sep 3, 2006 2:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: September 3, 2006
sure is a different team without Hafner.  They should have Kous at 3B, Garko DH, Boone DB (designated bunter)

by portlandtribefan on Sep 3, 2006 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: September 3, 2006
The thing that sticks out most to me is how awful both of these pitchers have been at their respective home ballparks...

by Brandini on Sep 3, 2006 2:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: September 3, 2006
Looks like Millwood's got the good stuff going today.
If I had a nickel for every time I heard "...and Victor Martinez grounds into a double play", i'd be rich.

by Rayman @ Let's Go Tribe! on Sep 3, 2006 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: September 3, 2006
We're not exactly running the worldbeater lineup out there today, either.

by zempf on Sep 3, 2006 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: September 3, 2006
You mean we weren't resting Aaron Boone for the stretch run?
If I had a nickel for every time I heard "...and Victor Martinez grounds into a double play", i'd be rich.

by Rayman @ Let's Go Tribe! on Sep 3, 2006 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: September 3, 2006
Anyone want to venture an over/under on when we get our first hit?

How about the number of Ks Millwood finishes with?

For fun, I'll say two out in the 5th for the first (Kouzmanoff...might as well ride the tide) and 10 for the second.

by APV on Sep 3, 2006 3:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: September 3, 2006
I've got to start prognosticating all of Kouz's ABs.  Maybe I can get the FO to front me a few $$ for my efforts.

by APV on Sep 3, 2006 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: September 3, 2006
Seriously!  Holy shit!  Is this guy for real?

by mjmarble on Sep 3, 2006 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: September 3, 2006
Man, you should start playing the lottery or something.

by zempf on Sep 3, 2006 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: September 3, 2006
I was in Vegas last week actually and I meant to put a bet down on the Indians for next year but I forgot.  Hopefully that will come back to haunt me.

by APV on Sep 3, 2006 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: September 3, 2006
On the bright side, I was 2-2 in my predictions.  That doesn't quite make up for the Indians loss, though.

by APV on Sep 3, 2006 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: September 3, 2006
I like it. I like it alot.
If I had a nickel for every time I heard "...and Victor Martinez grounds into a double play", i'd be rich.

by Rayman @ Let's Go Tribe! on Sep 3, 2006 3:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: September 3, 2006
Indeed. 5 more hits than Millwood, but 20+ fewer pitches. Nice Byrd, nice.
If I had a nickel for every time I heard "...and Victor Martinez grounds into a double play", i'd be rich.

by Rayman @ Let's Go Tribe! on Sep 3, 2006 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: September 3, 2006
The Cabrera we all know is back.

Ballgame.

by ASP on Sep 3, 2006 4:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: September 3, 2006
trying to find our "inherited runners scored" standing, it seems we are bad at that

by portlandtribefan on Sep 3, 2006 4:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: September 3, 2006
Let's hope the Rangers don't trade Millwood to the AL Central. The Indians don't want to face him 5 or 6 times a year.

by palcal on Sep 3, 2006 4:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: September 3, 2006
Just to comment on the last paragraph of Jay's intro... My guess would be that Byrd isn't really a spring chicken, I don't think he's going to age any better than Millwood, so you can expect Millwood to be the better pitcher. To truly compare the deals though, you'd have to factor in who the Indians replace Byrd with after next season while Texas will have an aging Millwood for the following 3 years.

by hans on Sep 3, 2006 4:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: September 3, 2006
And you have to factor in Millwood's injury risk. And that his K rate is dropping. And that he's still got four years left on his deal. And the money.

by Kos @ Let's Go Tribe! on Sep 3, 2006 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: September 3, 2006
intersting thing about the money, If the tribe do what I want and make a pitch for J. Schmidt they'd be paying him big money for hopefully a two to three year deal, and the Indians may not end up saving that much money (Schmidt + Byrd - Millwood)

Injury risk is noted, but once again if the Indians are signing FA pitchers, like Jay noted most of these guys are on the platau of thier careers and on the way down, and injury risk rises for everyone as you get older. (granted past injured players can be much more of a risk than others, and Millwood is definetly in this group).

The difference will probably be marginal, and I support the flexability the Indians have in keeping the contracts of FA pitchers short in years, but Millwood is the better pitcher over Byrd. Somone like Schmidt is probably better than Millwood, but will cost the same in salary (but probably not years). The Indians made the right choice based on flexability alone, but the difference in money saved may not be that much.

by hans on Sep 3, 2006 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: September 3, 2006
The goal is to make the post-season. Texas will have gone 7 years without making the post-season and the Indians 5 years. Millwood was not enough to get the Indians to the post-season last year and he was not enough to get the Rangers (or the Indians, for that matter) to the post-season this year. It will be interesting to see which team gets to the post-season first. If Texas gets to the post-season by 2007, the Millwood signing will have paid off for them. If they pay him big money for 2 or 3 years of missing the post-season, it was a waste of money.

by palcal on Sep 3, 2006 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

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