Higher Ground
A new series, a new opponent. And for us, as diehard Indians fans, let's also add a new approach.
The Division Series was incredibly stressful and draining for any number of reasons, one of them being a huge amount of baiting back and forth between the Good Guys (that's us) and the Bad Guys (those cretin Yankees fans). I don't regret that one bit. Sure, it got a little dark at times, but it was honest, and they asked for it, and they deserved it. It is fantastic to see the Yankees lose, and to see our Indians take it from them, even better. But we have been, in our own way, as bad as the mainstream media outlets we criticize.
Is there any doubt that every moment we spend focusing on the Yankees -- the putridness of their team, their organization, their owner and, yes, a huge number of their fans -- is a moment we could have spent celebrating our Tribe? Our great team, that does great things and does them the Right Way? That has no mega-contracts and lots of exciting young players? That's such a totally great bunch of guys aside from that one time J-Mike punched a cop?
I've had enough of the troll atmosphere. I spent enough time indulging them and not enough time banning them, and I won't spend one more minute baiting the opposition. For one thing, it's a lousy way to spend October, and for another thing, Red Sox fans are just not worthy of that kind of treatment. I know there's been some discussion here about hating the Red Sox and their fans as much as or more than the Yankees and their fans. Let me be real clear about this: It's not even a close call.
For starters, Red Sox fans have not had more than their fair share -- still just one championship in the past 88 years. Hell, we've got more than that. For another thing, while the Red Sox are now doing crazy overspending things, they have never been the aggressors, they have never jumped the market, and they are still nowhere near the Yankees in this category. While the Red Sox (and their fans) enjoy a similar unfair advantage over small market clubs, they didn't start this. They're responding to the Yankees the only way they can.
There are two main types of Red Sox fan. One is the type we always used to complain about, unbelievably self-important and bathed in their own suffering, far more insufferable than we've ever been or (God willing) ever will be. I'll tell you something funny, these guys have actually gotten a bad rap.
I want you to think about how you feel about the 1997 World Series, our big game-seven loss. Think about how much of a big deal we've made about it in the past ten years, how much we've complained. People, those Red Sox fans, they had four Game Sevens -- 1946, 1967, 1975, 1986. I know we had terrible teams for 35 years, and I know that they should count themselves lucky for even having had four Game Sevens in four World Series to lose. But still ... can you imagine what miserable sons of bitches we'd be if we lost another two or three Game Sevens in our lifetime, without ever winning one? Can you? Okay, now add in Bucky Dent, add in Aaron Boone, add in just the pure competitive proximity to the disgusting Yankees, year after year after year.
You'd be a totally insufferable son of a bitch, that's what you'd be. Yes, you would. So have a heart. Anyway, have you talked to any of those guys since 2004? They're teddy bears now. Laid back. They still root for the Sox, still follow them closely, but the bitterness is all gone. Those aren't the Red Sox fans who've been irritating you for the last couple years.
No, the ones who are irritating you now, showing up to all those away games, are the second type of Red Sox fans, the bandwagon guys. And yes, they're irritating as hell -- but all bandwagon fans are irritating, and all good teams have them. Boston has more mostly because, well, there's a hell of a lot of people from Boston around the country, and a hell of a lot of people whose Dads were from Boston. The Red Sox win a ring, and suddenly all those people rediscover their deep, deep emotional connection to the Red Sox. You don't see this from the Angels or White Sox, two other recent champs, because those teams never had any fans anyway. So that's all I'm saying -- the irritating ones are just regular bandwagon fans, standard-issue lowlifes, and they don't deserve their own special category of abuse.
Moreover, we deserve better than to spend the rest of our postseason baiting people and being baited. We deserve to celebrate our own team and relish in the celebration. So while I won't speak for everyone else and can't give any orders, I hope you will all join me in taking a decidedly different tack for the ALCS. No baiting, no trolling. Just rootrootrooting for the Indians. Ryan and I will deal with trolls as they come up, and I would ask each of you not go trolling elsewhere. Hopefully the guys at OverTheMonster will join us in this.
For in the words of JFK, "Our most basic common link is that we all inhabit this planet. We all breathe the same air. We all cherish our children's future. And we all know that the Yankees and their fans are the worst scum on the face of the Earth."
Go Tribe.
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Oct 11, 2007 10:17 AM EDT
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"Is there any doubt that every moment we spend focusing on the Yankees -- the putridness of their team, their organization, their owner and, yes, a huge number of their fans -- is a moment we could have spent celebrating our Tribe?"
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Oct 11, 2007 12:15 PM EDT
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+1 - great job Jay; I agree fully! :-)
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I think the ones I've met are actually a lot like Tribe fans - that is in that they seem obsessed with their team. It's not a hobby or what they do when it's not football season. They watch other baseball games that the Redsox aren't in. My friends that live there call me up at random with comments like "That Carmona Mother - is ridiculous." And I appreciate that they appreciate that.
I can't get out of my head how similar these two teams (and their fans) actually are. I think this series is a coin flip.
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Living up here in New England, I can easily see the difference between Yankee fans (arrogant -- though is generalizing) and Red Sox fans (they understand failure, even if they fear and half expect it.) I recall sitting one day at Fenway with my Tribe hat on and a nice man near me talking about how he watched Bob Feller pitch, and what a privilege it was. Another time, I watched the Tribe score nine runs, and almost win. The Red Sox fans around me were sympathetic. The last time I went to Yankee Stadium, I was in the parking lot and a guy saw my hat and nearly got me into a head lock.
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Oct 10, 2007 6:28 PM EDT
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by Fredward on
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- Just happy to be there.
- Worthy opponent, including HOF starters.
- Expected to be back real soon.
- Ended in six.
by Jay on
Oct 10, 2007 7:45 PM EDT
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if we were to fall short this year, than trade jhonny and gutz, loose cc to FA and go back with - i don't know - marcus giles, dye, and brad penny or something, and fell similarly close, but closer to winning it all, i feel like this year would bother me more.
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Oct 10, 2007 7:54 PM EDT
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Oct 10, 2007 7:59 PM EDT
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Amen
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Oct 10, 2007 6:32 PM EDT
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How could it not influence voting? I presume votes weren't due already or anything. Furthermore even if they split pretty even, odds got to go to whomever moves on to the Series.
by Brick. on
Oct 10, 2007 6:35 PM EDT
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by Jay on
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Having Beckett pitch game four lines Schilling and Matsuzaka for 5 and 6 on regular rest, but if the Red Sox win the ALCS in 7 games, it jumbles the World Series rotation. Of course, I said before there's no World Series until the final out for these two teams. On the Red Sox side, I'd take Beckett on Game 7 way before Daisuke Matsuzaka.
by Ish on
Oct 12, 2007 10:04 AM EDT
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by Joe on
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I see no reason to think the Red Sox can or will pass the Yankees in spending, ever. It would take a complete restructuring of all media revenue streams for the entire league, followed by the Red Sox contending while the Yankees rebuild.
I don't think I've heard any Red Sox fan cry poverty, ever, although some have complained (rightly) about the difficulty of being in the same division with the Yankees. As for Yankees fans denying that they're the Evil Empire, we had that here just three days ago. Where were you?
by Jay on
Oct 10, 2007 7:37 PM EDT
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Personally I find that, even though their team has a massive payroll and won the WS just three years ago, many of them are unable to shake their woe-is-us victim impulse, and expect others to still feel sorry for them too. I think this obliviousness is what bothers me most, and I certainly hope we don't find ourselves doing the same thing after the Indians win it all.
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Oct 10, 2007 11:25 PM EDT
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so no sympathy for the bitter old Red Sox fan.
by hans on
Oct 10, 2007 7:05 PM EDT
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by Voltaire on
Oct 10, 2007 7:08 PM EDT
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But let me say this again: I find kinship among all sports fans - except, you know - those guys.
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Oct 10, 2007 7:21 PM EDT
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Although I'll stand by a statment I made months ago, that I'd trade the Browns and all the money it took to get them back for better Cleveland public schools. Its really a travesty the way those schools are forced to run.
by hans on
Oct 10, 2007 7:56 PM EDT
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Boston fans have been living in a golden age the last 10 years. Even the Basketball team is looking up with their new acquisitions.
Now, im all for not trolling; I absolutely hate it when others do that to us. However, I can have a professional hatred for their fans. Im surrounded by guys out here who really dont understand that sports exists outside of the east coast. Great guys, gone to many games at fenway with them, but I actually heard WEEI (local sports radio) discussing who the better match up will be in the world series, once they "get past" cleveland.
Eiwwww.
If we lose to the Red Sox, it wont hurt nearly as bad as losing to the Evil Empire; However, you cant take away a professional hatred of "Red Sox Nation"
by Gradysmanldy on
Oct 10, 2007 7:29 PM EDT
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by BostonWahoo on
Oct 10, 2007 8:32 PM EDT
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As another outsider in the Boston area, I am struck by the parochialism of this region and it is not limited to the Red Sox and sports, but everything else like radio, television, news and culture. I refer to an Iron Curtain that stretches from Hartford to New Haven that prevents anything from the rest of the country to permeate into the region. It's pretty accurate.
But I digress.
Great writeup about trolling and baiting the opposing fans. We should be above that.
But, I have trouble not painting the Red Sox fans with the same brush as used for the Yankees fans. As far as I am concerned, if the Yankees are the Evil Empire, then the Red Sox are Darth Vader.
Besides, if you had to deal with listening to Jerry Remy constantly banter about becoming the "President of Red Sox Nation" (they actually had an election), you would be looking at this group as very obnoxious. Remy is a great commentator during the ball game, but over the past year he has become a real homer, so much that this presidential election is a sign that he jumped the shark.
by Spidey on
Oct 10, 2007 10:32 PM EDT
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John Dennis, on the other hand...
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Oct 10, 2007 10:36 PM EDT
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Anyway, I promised I'd be nice. I will say, though, that I tried listening to WEEI when I first moved here, to get my sports fix. That didn't last long. Listening to WEEI is like, well, punching yourself in the face.
by ManchildinBeantown on
Oct 11, 2007 12:17 AM EDT
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Except for the Yankees. Ive honestly never met a smart sports guy who rooted for the yankees.
by Gradysmanldy on
Oct 10, 2007 7:31 PM EDT
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by Joe on
Oct 10, 2007 7:33 PM EDT
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Oct 10, 2007 7:48 PM EDT
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Hey guys, this is Randy from OverTheMonster.com. I can't not agree more with Jay. He really hit it on the head, and I'm glad this article has been put out there.
If you think all Red Sox fans are arrogant, ignorant, or anything else that ends in "ant," please visit OverTheMonster.com. We are the type of Red Sox fan that gives credit where credit is due. We're that type of baseball fan, really.
I have a great core group of readers that really know their Red Sox and their baseball, so we try to weed out the folks that lack knowledge or common sense. I welcome all Red Sox fans to visit my blog, of course, but if there is the typical "Red Sox fan" quote, the real Sox fans set them straight. However, some slip through the cracks, but ignorant statements never get through without a well-reasoned reply.
I challenge anyone here at Let's Go Tribe to visit Over The Monster and find the typical "troll" comment regarding Sabathia or Carmona. If you can find one, I'll shut up, but if you can't, I hope you'll reconsider Red Sox fans -- or atleast to the point you'll visit OTM over the course of the series.
Thanks guys, and again, great article Jay.
by Randy Booth on
Oct 10, 2007 7:52 PM EDT
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Oct 10, 2007 8:13 PM EDT
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This of course goes out the window if Pedroia throws his hands up in protest just once during the game.
Cheers.
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Oct 10, 2007 9:21 PM EDT
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Before Royalsreview gets over here, I want to add that Raffy B. had his instance of being a bad guy himself along with J-Mike. HAHAHA Royalsreview, beat you to it.
Anyway, I would much rather be positive about the Tribe than worry about what Red Sox fans or the media themselves think. We are in the midst of a special season.
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Oct 10, 2007 7:54 PM EDT
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Red Sox fans are THE most annoying fans in sports if you ask me. The main difference between Boston fans and Yankees fans is that Yankee fans realize nobody else likes them.
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Oct 10, 2007 9:16 PM EDT
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Oct 11, 2007 3:08 AM EDT
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I feel like I've got as much disdain for the Nation as anyone here, but I have to admit that that's due to my exposure to mainstream Boston media (and what the hell does mainstream media in any market know?), casual Sox fans, and, well, jerks. Three segments of baseball fandom that are common to every team's fanbase. Personally, I fall into the third category. There, I said it.
The problems I have with Sox fans could just as easily be applied to Indians fans. We all (like Sox fans) complain about the Yankees, but we'd love for our team to be able to spend like Steinbrenner. We hate the sense of entitlement ("Grady's gonna look good in a Sox uniform" is how my friend put it), but remember how certain we all were in '97 that Schilling was going to be an Indian? And how many times have we started riots that included overturning cars and setting them on fire for having New York plates?
Okay, that was a cheap shot.
Look, what I'm doing here is admitting my hypocrisy in making scathing generalizations about Red Sox fans, when I would feel the same way living in any other baseball market (except Cleveland, of course).
And so, I promise that I will make every effort not to, you know, be like that. I might even say something nice about Sox fans every now and then.
Jay, you don't know how hard that was for me. Hope you're happy.
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Well said.
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Oct 10, 2007 10:25 PM EDT
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Oct 10, 2007 10:36 PM EDT
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No need for burning hatred or slandering.
Every fan base has its stereotypes and band wagoners, but that most certainly doesn't make us all that way.
Yes, I will root for the Sox, but I'm really looking forward to some good baseball.
...and may there be favorable weather for this showdown.
Sorry, felt like adding something even though this has been pretty well hashed out.
by mmmsox on
Oct 10, 2007 10:40 PM EDT
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Celebrities, some New Yorkers, and a few of my old math and science teachers do not fall into that category of dislike.
by mmmsox on
Oct 10, 2007 10:44 PM EDT
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Let's stick to the topics worthy of debating regarding the Sox...
- Dustin Pedroia is moved to tears if you throw inside to him.
- Manny Ramirez is Brick Tamland as a baseball player.
- The Evil Empire is pretty Evil, but the Sox can burn a hole in their wallet nearly as well.
- Damn, they have Bill James. How can we change that?
- Isn't Josh Beckett due for a blister?
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Oct 10, 2007 10:49 PM EDT
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Oct 10, 2007 11:02 PM EDT
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http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/071010
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Johnny Damon decided to take more money to play for the Yankees. Ohh, the wailing and gnashing of teeth in redsox nation. Johnny Traitor! I can't believe he decided to play for the Yankees! etc.
Folks, did you ever realize the reason he was on the redsox in the first place because the redsox outbid everyone? The Royals and then the A's just had to let him go. He is just as much a redsock mercenary as a yankee mercenary.
The same goes for Manny. He is an Indian, not a redsock, you guys just had the big pocketbook. And then they give Manny a hard time! Unbelievable.
The tribe beating the redsox will be just as sweet as when they beat the yankees.
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Oct 10, 2007 11:09 PM EDT
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By the way, I will never boo LeBron as long as he is a cavalier. LeBron is the man.
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Oct 10, 2007 11:13 PM EDT
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As for LeBron - like I said before - he's dead to me. Frankly I think you've seen the high water mark for the Cavs this year. I don't think they'll get past the first round as long as LeBron's got the weak supporting cast and the East continues to get tougher. And don't get me wrong, LeBron's a hell of a basketball player - he's just not much of a Clevelander. I'm disappointed - much like you Cavs fans will be for the rest of the LeBron era.
So to hell with LeBron and all his apologists. I've got much more important issues to deal with - like winning the first World Series in 59 years.
GO TRIBE!!!!
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Oct 11, 2007 7:10 AM EDT
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C.C.'s explanation: "Oh, it's just a hat."
LeBron's explanation: "Deal with it."
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My two buddies in So Cal at law school, both Tribe fans, invited me to an Angel v. Tribe game back in the mid 90s. Game was great bc this was prior to Arte and opposing teams could get amazing seats and the place was filled with Tribe fans that particular night in Anaheim.
9th inning, Tribe 4, Angels 4, Angel's batter up 1 out, man on 3rd, I forget who was pitching but most likely good ole Jose Mesa, doing his best goatee d Budda impersonation. Everyone is pumped at the game. Drinking cervezas, place is rocking, both sides are having a great time at the game.
1-1 count, Erstad hits a foul ball to Manny's side of the outfield, pretty deep, but definately foul. Manny catches the ball, 2 outs, the runner at third tags, comes home, scores easily. Manny makes no attempt to throw him out whatsoever. He thought there was three outs and extra innings.
Game over.
My buddies are just silent, drop their heads and we make for the exit. Out in the parking lot, still not one word, not a "hey close game, great game", no "well get em tomorrow night", nothing.
Dead, creepy silence.
Matt, one of the Tribes guys, gets to his car, opens the trunk, pulls out a Hockey stick walks over to one of the over head parking lot lamp that dot the entire lot and smashes his hockey stick about a hundred times until it shatters. His face is contorted, screaming F*K, FK, F*Kin Manny... This continues for a good two minutes or until the stick is nothing but splinters in his hand.
Well, I just met this guy about a months ago at the orientation for law school and had never seen such uncontrolled rage. He was usually studying or reading a book, never bothering anyone. Hell, until then I had never heard him swear.
The look in his eyes is best equated to Mel Gibson's stare after that first battle in "Braveheart" and i still have a two hour drive back to the west side in LA traffic.
He walks back to the car, composes himself and says, "Sorry bro, I needed to get that out..."
"I'm a Redsox fan man, no worries."
Best of luck, GO SOX!
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Oct 10, 2007 11:44 PM EDT
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Thanks guys
I said it over on OTM and I'll say it here. If there was a team I was okay losing to, it's the Tribe. (Maybe the Cubs too, I mean we can sympathize with 'em) You've worked hard and did I mention you have great taste in Right Fielders?
Watching the Yankee meltdown was priceless, and Carmona and Sabathia are undeniably awesome.
That said, I hope to be singing "Sweet Caroline" in the middle of the 8th. GO SOX!
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That said, I have nothing but respect for true Red Sox fans, especially aftyer having read and posted on OTM the last couple of days.
Thanks, Jay. This post honestly made me rethink my approach to Sox fans.
Also!
I don't think this means we should let our guard down! GO TRIBE!!!
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Oct 11, 2007 12:15 PM EDT
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When the Red Sox played the Tribe the last time, it was at the Jake, July 23-26. Four games. The Red Sox took 3 out of 4, but man, that was a memorable series for the Red Sox. Jon Lester made his 2007 debut after coming back from cancer for the first game and beat Jake Westbrook 6-2. The fourth game was a slugfest. The Red Sox shelled Cliff Lee, who tipped his cap to the booing fans as he was pulled in the 5th inning. Kason Gabbard couldn't deal with the prosperity of a 9-1 lead, and was pulled after 4 2/3 innings after giving up 5 runs and walking 3. Julian Tavarez took over, gave up 4 runs (0 ER), and suddenly it was 12-9 Boston. The Red Sox got two more runs while the Tribe's comeback was halted by Hideki Okajima and Javier Lopez, who combined to allow 1 hit in the final 2 innings.
But the two middle games were the absolute best. It didn't matter who your team was - these were two fantastic games. Game 2 was the Red Sox's annual look at C.C. Sabathia, opposed by Daisuke Matsuzaka. The Red Sox beat Sabathia, 1-0. It was a classic pitcher's duel, and you thought it couldn't get any better than that. Sure, the lack of run support is always disconcerting, but we all know good pitching beats good hitting. Sabathia: 7 IP, 5 H, ER, 0 BB, 7 K. Matsuzaka: 7 IP, 4 H, 0 ER, 3 BB, 5 K.
So, could it get any better?
Sure it could! This time it was the Tribe who got the one run the very next night. Josh Beckett pitching for the Red Sox, with the Sox getting their first look at Fausto Carmona since last season when David Ortiz hit a walk-off home run against him. Red Sox fans knew though, that Carmona was a much different pitcher this year, but they didn't know he'd be that good.
The only offense to speak of in that game was a 3rd inning home run by Franklin Gutierrez off Beckett.
Beckett: 8 IP, 4 H, ER, 0 BB, 7 K. It was one of his best performances all season. Of course, the Red Sox would see his BEST game just over a week ago against the Angels in ALDS Game 1.
Carmona: 8 IP, 4 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 6 K. Red Sox ace against the Tribe's #2, and Carmona just slightly out-pitches Beckett, with a little help from Joe Borowski, closing the game in the 9th. Fausto opened a lot of people's eyes this year, and that wasn't even his best game. Just look at ALDS Game 2 agaisnt the Yankees. He was brilliant.
Neither the Red Sox nor Indians had any idea then that they'd be playing each other in the ALCS, and neither thought they'd share the best record in Baseball. But they will play each other tomorrow night, and it is going to be a fantastic series.
I'm a Red Sox fan, which made watching the Indians/Yankees ALDS was a real fun experience both in rooting for the Indians and realizing just how formidable a team the Tribe is. Living in southern Maine, I never got a good look at Cleveland except the games played at the Jake in July (Thank you, unbalanced schedule). There was a series in May where the Sox took 2 of 3, but those 2 wins featured Curt Schilling beating Lee, and Beckett beating Jeremy Sowers. Paul Byrd beat Matsuzaka in the third game of that series.
The only relevant games this season from a pitching and match-up standpoint were: The last game in May (Byrd vs. Matsuzaka), and the first three in Cleveland in July. The others don't count as well because you won't be seeing Kason Gabbard, Jeremy Sowers, or Cliff Lee.
You take those four games, and guess what? The Red Sox won 2 of those games, and the Indians won 2. Amazing to realize the games that decided home-field advantage featured a starter on one or both sides either not on the playoff roster or not even on the team anymore.
The overall point I'm making today is that there is no World Series for either of these teams until the final out is recorded. This is the Series right here, and it is likely to come down to a Game 7. Both teams have had terrific seasons, and both teams have reason to believe they are going to go all the way. I thought Cleveland would be an easier team to go through as opposed to the Yankees, but as I watched them play the Yankees, I realized it might be the other way around. Needless to say, a series with Cleveland and a series with New York are two very different animals, and I never wanted the Red Sox to play the Yankees and I still don't. This year, the Red Sox don't need to go through the Yankees to be the best team, just like Cleveland didn't need to. Boston and Cleveland share the same regular season record, and it will be one hell of a series to determine just who the better team is.
The way it looks right now, the ALCS might as well be the World Series. In that case, I hope the NLCS will be as good as advertised, and the winner, whether it be Arizona or Colorado, be on their A game when they go to either Cleveland or Boston, because I will be very disappointed if the NL gets swept again. I want the World Series to go seven games, so in retrospect we can look back at the ALCS as a stepping stone, and not the actual Series itself.
So far, the two LCS match-ups look to be terrific for baseball and an absolute joy for me, a baseball fan.
by Ish on
Oct 11, 2007 12:44 PM EDT
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Very good point in regards to the pitchers used in the regular season series as opposed to the pitchers we'll see in the coming week.
by nickjs21 on
Oct 11, 2007 1:10 PM EDT
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I am currently wrestling with two competing ideas:
- Any seven-game series is a crapshoot, and
- No way can the NL rep possibly beat either the Tribe or the Sox.
Anyway, thanks for the thoughtful post, and here's to plenty of second-best luck for your Sox in this series! ;)
by tabler84 on
Oct 11, 2007 1:15 PM EDT
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That's what people said last year, too.
"Nice shooting. Don't get cocky"
--Han Solo
by woodsmeister on
Oct 11, 2007 1:45 PM EDT
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by zempf on
Oct 11, 2007 2:32 PM EDT
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But the smugness of the bandwagon Red Sox fans IS worse than other bandwagon fans. So I do hate them. Sorry.
What I am going to take out of the original post is this: It is OK to hate Red Sox fans, but I am not going to cloud my enjoyment of the Tribe, or of what will be a great series, by talking about the Red Sox fans. I want to focus on my team, and not any other team's fans.
After this post, I mean.
by Buzz on
Oct 11, 2007 1:29 PM EDT
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Oct 11, 2007 1:36 PM EDT
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There was this girl who I knew didn't really care either way what happened during the regular season, but once the playoffs rolled around, for some reason she latched on to the Yankees. Got a Jersey...etc...etc & became the most obnoxious preson I've ever met. Yelling at Sox fans, being completely rude, & arrogant... & then it happened (a f'n b). I wanted to punch her in the face as I walked out of the bar & she snickered & veered at me...
Uninformed, ubnoxious, bandwagon fans are the worst... doesn't matter the team... Even for the sox.
by kevindineen on
Oct 11, 2007 2:30 PM EDT
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This type of thing is why the NLCS will have low ratings. Most people (especially in the big markets) only care about their team and not about baseball in general. Whew. Had to get that out there. I digress.
by Ish on
Oct 11, 2007 5:05 PM EDT
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Helps that I have little but disdain for basically the entire rest of the AL Central, to be sure.
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Oct 11, 2007 3:28 PM EDT
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