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Game One Hundred Sixty-Six: Indians 6, Yankees 4

Cleveland wins series 3-1

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Box Score
Win Probability Added @ Fangraphs

Highest WPA:

Paul Byrd .101
Kelly Shoppach .097
Jhonny Peralta .091

Lowest WPA:

Kenny Lofton -.055
Franklin Gutierrez -.014

Monday's game lasted over 4 hours, and for most of that time the Indians were leading. For me, that meant four hours of looking forward to the 9th inning, when in all probability Joe Borowski would be coming in to finish the game. But I'm getting ahead of myself.

Paul Byrd's stuff may be the worst in baseball. But as evidenced in Game 4, stuff isn't necessarily a barrier to at least some modicum of success. That means being exceptional in some other area of the craft, whether that be control, knowing how to attack a hitter, the ability to adjust on the fly, to self-diagnose mechanical problems on the mound, and so on. Against a lineup that usually eats junkballers for breakfast, those compensatory qualities all needed to be there. And a bit of BABIP luck.

Through the first couple innings, Byrd didn't look like he'd be lasting long. He pitched around a couple singles in the first by striking out Alex Rodriguez and retiring Jorge Posada on a fly ball. Hideki Matsui, who led off the second, took exception to Byrd's double windup, and called time. Byrd took exception to the call, and it seemed to affect his control. Matsui walked, and a sharp single by Robinson Cano created the jam that  could have ended Byrd's night. After getting Melky Cabrera to pop out, he walked his second of the inning to load the bases. But he made a nice pitch to Johnny Damon, inducing another pop up, and after allowing one run on a Derek Jeter single, retired Bobby Abreu to end the inning.

That second inning was one of a couple turning points in the game, points where one bad pitch could have led to disaster. The second point came in the sixth inning, with Rafael Perez struggling to throw strikes, Yankees on the corner, one out, and Derek Jeter coming to the plate. Jeter hit a hard grounder at Asdrubal Cabrera to start an inning-ending double play. Another crisis averted.

Alex Rodriguez drove in his first run of the series off Perez in the seventh. The bomb brought the lead down to three runs, which meant that Joe Borowski would be pitching the ninth (I think he would have done so anyway, but why ruin a good narrative?). To completely clarify the difference between the chief setup man and the closer, Rafael Betancourt easily dispatched the Yankees in the eighth, two on strikeouts.

I suppose it's irrational to approach the entrance of Joe Borowski with dread; after all, it means the Indians have the lead (in this case three runs), and the odds are highly stacked against a loss. But when the bottom of the ninth arrived, all rational thinking went with it. After four hours, was it really going to come down to Joe Borowski getting three outs against the middle of the Yankee order?

Derek Jeter's popout helped to diffuse a tiny bit of the fear, but Joe then proceeded to groove one down and in to Bobby Abreu. 6-4 Yankees. Now one more baserunner, and the blown save becomes a possibility. A-Rod hits one in the air...not going anywhere - whew! Two outs, and just Jorge Posada to get...NO!!......that was close. Please don't blow this, please don't blow this...YESSSSSS!

This series win wasn't an upset, though the payrolls would suggest otherwise. The Indians had the better starting pitching, the better relief pitching, and the better offense. The first two were known advantages coming into the series, but the last one was what completely swung the series to the Indians. And outside of Fausto Carmona's sublime performance in Game 2, no one player carried the team: nine different players drove in runs for the Indians, and six different players hit a home run. As a team, the Indians hit .315/.417/.524. As a team, the Indians allowed a 3.41 ERA. On paper, the Indians dominated this series. Just don't go back in time a couple of days to tell me that.

Next: The ALCS. Beckett vs. Sabathia (7:00, Friday)

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Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Six: Indians 6, Yankees
New member, long time watcher.
Looking forward to the the ACLS, should be great games. But I am really looking forward to watching Manny for 5,6,7 straight games. God I love the big lug, and I miss him. But we know he will be our secret weapon in this series, don't we. Here is my top 5 list of things I expect to see from "Manny the Ram" over the next week or so.

5-A 480 ft blast over the Monster.

4-Breaking 4 or 5 steps the wrong direction on a fly ball.

3-Throwing the ball to the wrong infielder in a crucial situation.

2-Sitting on the bench smiling-Standing in the field smiling, when something has just gone horribly wrong for the Bean-Sox.

1-(Drum roll......) Getting tagged out while standing motionless somewhere on the base paths.
(He must hold the MLB record for this)

If Manny comes through for us it's Series Time 07.

I ain't like you boy. I's old and give out!

by HalfMan HalfNer on Oct 11, 2007 12:34 AM EDT   0 recs

Indians 6, Yankees 4
I guess this'll sound like gloating but here goes anyway.

You could see this coming down the pike with headlights flashing and sirens wailing - the Yank's are a hollow oak.  Formidable looking but easily toppled.  Cashman's put together a terrific softball team - it's a damn good thing we weren't playing softball.  Here's the bottom line: the Yankees have only one good starter - Pettitte (sp?) an aging closer and one decent - decent not great - set-up guy.  That's it.  So how did the Tribe beat them - easy - good pitching.  It's that simple.

Like I said before, now comes the hard part.  The BoSox have got pitching - almost as good as ours.  And they can hit - Ortiz and Manny are better - that's right better - than Jeter and A-Rod - and they've got a great supporting cast surrounding them.  Our hitter's are gonna hafta step up.  Pronk's gotta be Pronk - not bizzaro Pronk - but the line drive smashing RBI machine of previous years.  If Vic stay Vic and the rest of the boyz play their game - Grandy, Kenny, Gutz and Buzz set the table and Vic, Jhonny and  Pronk drive `em in - we're gonna be all right.

Just be ready to lose a few here, cuz it's gonna take all seven games for the Tribe to win it.  This is gonna be a war.

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Oct 11, 2007 7:29 AM EDT   0 recs

Re: Indians 6, Yankees 4
Chuck ... you deny our Indians of credit for beating a very good team.

Wang is probably among the Top 10 starters in the league.   Rivera "aging" is still one of the very best closers out there.  And in limited appearances, Joba has been nothing short of great.

The Indians beat the Yankees not only with great pitching, but also with patient hitting and three dominating relievers.

by Jay on Oct 11, 2007 10:48 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Indians 6, Yankees 4
I can't remember who said it but Joba had a ERA in AA  3.35 this year in  40.1 innings pitched.  He had an ERA of 0.90 in 24 innings in the majors.  I'm not sure what to make of that, but I don't buy all the hype yet about him being a great reliever.

Wang is in the top 10 you say?  OK then which one of these guys does he jump over? CC, Carmona, Lackey, Haren, Beckett, Kazmir, Verlander, Halladay, Santana, Bonderman or Dice K?  Hell I'll even throw Pettitte in there, since that's who I was talking about.

I didn't say that the Yankee's were a mediocre team I said their Achilles' heal was pitching and in a five game series - as this week has shown - pitching is key.

It would be foolish to downplay the Yankee's offense, but, as the late 90's Indians have shown, offense is not enough.

BTW, whoever signs Rivera for whatever is gonna get taken.  And Joe, Perez and Lewis are the gems, Joba's good, but I'll take either of our guys.  Save this post and let's see if I'm right.

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Oct 11, 2007 1:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Indians 6, Yankees 4
You don't have to buy all the hype or take a wait and see approach. See, unless Cashman is retarded, and I don't think he is, Chamberlain is a starter next year. It shouldn't even be discussed really.

And taking Joba's highest ERA is the definition of cherry picking stats. The guy was dominant in High A and in AAA. Overall, his ERA was 2.45 for the year. The guy is 21 and went from High A to becoming a dominant reliever in the same year. That's beyond phenomonal. We give Lofgren a free pass on a shitty year because he was 21 and in AA, which is still young. But he pales in comparison to Joba. They probably shouldn't even be discussed in the same sentence. It sucks that the Yankees have the best two pitching prospects in baseball but it doesn't make it any less true.

The poster formerly known as JRam.

by Joe on Oct 11, 2007 1:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Indians 6, Yankees 4
This is hilarious. I understand the Yankee hating but this post reeks of the kind of things we hate Yankees fans for. Joba a decent middle reliever? Might be the most erroenous thing I have heard all day. Calling him great would even be an injustice to the guy. I love our relievers but you offer Joba for any of them and I take it. I don't even attempt to think twice.
The poster formerly known as JRam.

by Joe on Oct 11, 2007 12:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Indians 6, Yankees 4
I'd agree that Wang and Clemens clearly had nothin'. But Petitte on his worst day is a damn fine pitcher. Moose is middlin', and Joba...well...Joba rules. He's not Papelbon, but he's damn fine.

And Ortiz and Manny better than A-Rod and Jeter? Maybe Jeter, but we ain't got jack on A-Rod. I do think--at least on a good day--we can outhit you, but pitching is definitely gonna be the key. This series is going to give new meaning to the phrase "pitcher's duel".

by OTMsdkramer on Oct 11, 2007 1:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Indians 6, Yankees 4
Wang might not be top 10 but since when is that the definition of good? He is still great and the fact that he is not top 10 speaks about the quality of starters in the American League as a whole. I don't think you guys realize it but Wang and Carmona are similar pitchers. To be gushing over Carmona and deny Wang much credit is a wrong move.

I do think Carmona is a better pitcher than Wang and he will seperate himself more in the coming years. However, this year they were not that different as pitchers.

The poster formerly known as JRam.

by Joe on Oct 11, 2007 1:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Indians 6, Yankees 4
Joe, I was replying to this, "Wang is probably among the Top 10 starters in the league" from Jay.  Wang's maybe - maybe - as good as Westbrook, although I wouldn't make that trade.

Maybe I've got my anti-Yankee bias distorting my view, but what I saw of Joba in the second game of the series didn't impress me.  Excellent curve, OK heater and mediocre location.  He looks hitable to me, not the second coming of Roger Clemens - or Kerry Wood for that matter.

And Cashman is an idiot.  Any GM worth his executive washroom key could put together a more well balanced team than the Yankees.  Unlike the Tribe and the BoSox, they're built to win play-off spots but not championships.

Anyway let's drop this - we've got bigger fish to fry.  We can pick this up in the off-season. These Sawx characters are tough - it's gonna take all our mojo, concentration, and bleacher bum managing to beat 'em.  

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Oct 11, 2007 1:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Indians 6, Yankees 4
K. I know I come off as a Yankee fan sometimes and I am far from it. I just enjoy being objective. I don't mean anything by it.

by Joe on Oct 11, 2007 1:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Indians 6, Yankees 4
I concede the point about Wang being a top-ten guy -- he isn't.  I thought he was just outside the top tier of six or seven, but he's really a notch below that.

Joe, the similarities between Wang and Carmona have been overplayed -- a lot.  Carmona gets more groundballs and more strikeouts and significantly fewer line drives.  He also allows significantly fewer runs, and he's age 23 to Wang's 27, so you know where the trends are pointing.

by Jay on Oct 11, 2007 3:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Indians 6, Yankees 4
I am well aware where their trends are pointing and I indicated it in my post. However, this year their FIP numbers are almost exactly the same. Wang's is actually lower.

by Joe on Oct 11, 2007 3:57 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Indians 6, Yankees 4
But FIP is not really relevant for extreme groundball guys, which would include both of them, and Carmona had the better xFIP, which attempts to filter out luck on home runs.

by Jay on Oct 11, 2007 5:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Indians 6, Yankees 4
Sure it is. With normal HR/F rates, it will greatly assist them. Look at Webb's numbers. They're pretty.

Although I do think you have a point about his luck with home runs. His HR/F is at 5%. That's absurd.I'd say we can expect a regression from Wang next year, although his K rate did improve significantly this year.

by Joe on Oct 11, 2007 8:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Bert Blyleven Knows Baseball.
Bert Blyleven, writing for msnbc today:

"Casey Blake seems to almost always come up with the big hit. The Red Sox need to have Blake's measure in order not to get burned by him in a critical spot."

Also!

"The set-up man is right-hander Hideki Okajima"

Right-hander, is he?  Now that's some crack research!

by tabler84 on Oct 11, 2007 8:22 AM EDT   0 recs

Re: Bert Blyleven Knows Baseball.
Wow, Bert.  I guess when you get into the Hall of Fame you're allowed to just make things up.

Didn't Blake bat like .000038 w/ RISP this year?

by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 11, 2007 8:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Six: Indians 6, Yankees
Another very interesting comment, this one from Eric Karabell, a fantasy baseball writer for ESPN, who generally knows his stuff:

"Rafael Perez, the lefty who threw six innings in the series, ranking second on the team to Fausto Carmona, profiles as a starter next year, and a really good one."

Has anyone heard anything about this?  I can't imagine they'll move Perez to the rotation next year, though I can't say I'd be disappointed.  If the FO believes he can make the transition smoothly, then you have to make the move - under the theory that a SP is always going to be more valuable than a middle reliever.  

Thoughts?

- Jake

by jakesinger777 on Oct 11, 2007 8:34 AM EDT   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Six: Indians 6, Yankees
Eric may just be noticing that Perez started in the minors this year.  I imagine Perez is deep in the SP depth chart right now.

by nickjs21 on Oct 11, 2007 8:41 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Six: Indians 6, Yankees
You bring up something that pissed me off at the time but that I hadn't really thought of since the game -- Matsui getting time when Byrd was mid-windup. Is there any precedent for that? I thought that was a bad call by the ump & it did seem to rattle Byrd a bit.

by zempf on Oct 11, 2007 9:11 AM EDT   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Six: Indians 6, Yankees
I remember someone from the Tribe doing that in the Stadium once, I want to say either Mike Hargrove or Ted Cox, but I'm not real sure.  The ump didn't call time but ended up calling a balk on the pitcher, who got rattled when the batter stepped out to swat bugs from in front of his eyes.
How come... we would all love to see Bob Feller show up at a Cavs game wearing a Detroit Pistons hat? --Les Levine

by Casey Jones on Oct 11, 2007 10:38 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Six: Indians 6, Yankees
Seriously, I've seen batters get time several times this year like Matsui did. Usually the pitcher just finishes the delivery to avoid injury while he stops his motion.
How come... we would all love to see Bob Feller show up at a Cavs game wearing a Detroit Pistons hat? --Les Levine

by Casey Jones on Oct 12, 2007 11:53 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Six:
the washington post did a nice fluff piece on shapiro today, if you're interested.

by emil minty on Oct 11, 2007 10:21 AM EDT   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Six: Indians 6, Yankees
In retrospect, Franklin Gutierrez for Octavio Dotel, or Asdrubal Cabrera for Scott Isringhausen, would have been bad deals.

by fleerdon on Oct 11, 2007 11:10 AM EDT   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Six: Indians 6, Yankees
Asdrubal Cabrera for Jason Izzy would have been a better deal than the one for his cousin Scott, but I'm glad we didn't make it all the same.

by fleerdon on Oct 11, 2007 11:10 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Six: Indians 6, Yankees
I was thinking about posting a diary on all of the proposed deadline deals that fell through. If you really look at it, Ramirez-for-Lofton turned out to be one of the best out there in the short term (though obviously the Braves picking up Teixeira will help them a bunch long-term).

Can you imagine how pissed we'd all be if we'd given up someone of consequence for Eric Gagne (he of the 6.75 ERA after coming over to Boston, who was basically a mop-up man in the LDS)?

by zempf on Oct 11, 2007 11:54 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Six: Indians 6, Yankees
Pretty pissed. (Say that fast enough, it sounds like a small Slovak town. "Predipest.")

I'm having a hard time believing that of all our possible trade partners at the deadline, the Rangers were the most reasonable. I'll grant you, Max may make me eat those words, but sheesh.

by fleerdon on Oct 11, 2007 12:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Six: Indians 6, Yankees
Not if Lofton helps the Tribe get into the world series again.  Max Ramirez likely had a very difficult path ahead of him in making it here as a catcher.

Between catcher, first base and DH, there isn't much room for a rookie to break the lineup - whether he moves to another position, or one of the players up here moves positions. Ramirez might well develop into a solid major leaguer, but he was the right guy at the right time for Shapiro to bring back value in a trade.

How come... we would all love to see Bob Feller show up at a Cavs game wearing a Detroit Pistons hat? --Les Levine

by Casey Jones on Oct 12, 2007 12:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Six: Indians 6, Yankees
I don't remember anybody ever thinking Gutierrez for Dotel was a good deal.

I was pimping Francisco for Dotel big time, and I think that was the standing offer to KC. I still think that would have been a good deal at the time; obviously in hindsight I'm glad we didn't give up anything for Dotel.

I like Ben Francisco, I just don't think he's a future "core" player we should shy away from trading if it'll net us a guy we need in the short term. Gutierrez OTOH looks like a core player.

by mrich on Oct 11, 2007 12:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Six: Indians 6, Yankees
And Kyle Davies is looking like such a quality pickup for them, too.

by zempf on Oct 11, 2007 12:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Six: Indians 6, Yankees
Sir: I was employing understatement. I briefly considered appending the comment with an < /understatement> tag, but I thought that might be deleterious to the (admittedly minor) comedic effect. My apologies for any confusion.

by fleerdon on Oct 11, 2007 8:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Six
Praise the lord - Something to read today:

Esquire

Is it Friday yet?

by Brick. on Oct 11, 2007 11:39 AM EDT   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Six
Also!

Diatriber Preview

Sorry for all the pimping other people's stuff... I'm bored.  Figure other people might be too...

by Brick. on Oct 11, 2007 12:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Six
Those Esquire pieces are consistently brilliant. Seriously.
Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on Oct 11, 2007 12:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Six: Indians 6, Yankees
Ryan,
Just a note to thank you for these game recap posts.  In my opinion they are consistently the best and most objective posts on this site; consistently very good reading.

by Fiddlesticks on Oct 11, 2007 1:14 PM EDT   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-4
Not for anything guys, but you two are by far the best bloggers on this network. Not being a homer either, I've checked the others SB sites and have been thoroughly unimpressed. Probably because you guys set the bar so damn high. So keep it up and I'll keep checking this site way more than I should :).
The poster formerly known as JRam.

by Joe on Oct 11, 2007 1:39 PM EDT   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-4
Even better than the RoyalsReview guy?!? Impossible!

by Toxicadam on Oct 11, 2007 2:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Six: Indians 6, Yankees
Boston Herald reporting that Hinske will be getting the start over JD Drew in right field in game 1.

by ASP on Oct 11, 2007 3:30 PM EDT   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Six: Indians 6, Yankees
I guess he has good stats against C.C.? Or are they just bailing on Drew this fast?
>> I reserve the right to extend and revise my remarks.

by paul sorrento to cooperstown on Oct 11, 2007 3:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Six: Indians 6, Yankees
Kielty is 9 for 29; 4 2B's; 2 HR's; 2 BB's; 2 K's against CC.

Drew is 0-3 with 3 K's

by DaytonDogg on Oct 11, 2007 4:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Six: Indians 6, Yankees
Sorry, I think the error is in the orignial post... Kielty will be getting the start, at least according to AP:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=ArVrUWEbFsg1k1Q3Czugbm45nYcB?slug=ap-redsox-kielty&prov=ap &type=lgns

by DaytonDogg on Oct 11, 2007 4:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Six: Indians 6, Yankees
I thought that might be the case ... I was on the Herald's website looking for the story just now.

by nickjs21 on Oct 11, 2007 4:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Six: Indians 6, Yankees
From the Boston Globe:

Francona also confirmed that Bobby Kielty will get the start tomorrow against C.C. Sabathia in place of J.D. Drew in right field.

Also announced C Kevin Cash would be dropped from the ALCS roster and P Tim Wakefield would be added.  The Sox carried 3 catchers in the ALDS and 10 pitchers.  Now, 11 pitchers, 2 catchers.

by Ish on Oct 11, 2007 10:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Six
Two thoughts as I sit here impatiently waiting for Friday:

  1. The NL is boring.

  2. The 40-man roster pulldown on the sidebar which I've never used before is out of date and still has Jason Davis on it.

2a. I need a life.

by Brick. on Oct 11, 2007 10:56 PM EDT   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Six
Sorry, I need to update that.

by Ryan on Oct 11, 2007 11:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Six
no.  just found it so funny that since it's a quiet night and already having had read every article on the web about the indians, rather than find another productive activitiy, i felt the best use of my time was to check out everything on the sidebar i'd always ignored up to now...

i've been through my bookmarks 3 times and just can't get into this game - unruly fans or no...

by Brick. on Oct 11, 2007 11:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Six
Watching Florida State lose is always fun . . .

by Buckeye Brad on Oct 11, 2007 11:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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