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Game One Hundred Sixty-Nine: Indians 4, Red Sox 2

Indians lead series 2-1

Recap
Box Score
Win Probability Added @ Fangraphs

Highest WPA:

Jake Westbrook .221
Kenny Lofton .181
Rafael Betancourt .078
Joe Borowski .078

Lowest WPA:

Jhonny Peralta -.053
Victor Martinez -.043
Trot Nixon -.026

This game was nothing like Sunday's marathon: it was a taut well-pitched game. Well, the outcome was the same.

Jake Westbrook brought sanity back to the starting staff, throwing 6.2 innings. If you didn't know any better, he pitched an average Jake Westbrook start, getting a couple of key double plays, keeping the pitch count down, and leaving the bullpen with a short night. Of course, he did this against the Boston Red Sox, the team that solved the Indians' other sinkerballer last night by waiting for a first-pitch strike. Jake was able to throw quality strikes early in the count, dictating the terms of the at-bat.

The big offensive blow came on Kenny Lofton's two-run homer in the second. From my vantage point, I initially couldn't make out whether the ball had cleared the right field fence, or even if JD Drew had made the catch. But it did, and a crowd who cheered the loudest for Lofton during introductions erupted as he rounded the bases. After Kenny and Victor performed an elaborate celebratory handshake (or is "bodyshake" a more appropriate term?), he bounded out of the dugout and doffed his helmet to the fans.  

The Indians' bullpen was great, retiring all seven batters they faced. Rafael Betancourt especially deserves a lot of credit, retiring Youkilis, Ortiz, and Ramirez in order in the eighth. Yeah, Joe Borowski got the save, but just awarding Betancourt a hold doesn't seen appropriate.

This was my first time at a Jacobs Field playoff game, and it was different that any regular season contest. The fans didn't need much coaxing from the digital cheerleaders; they were on their feet early and often, whether it was with two strikes on a Boston player, or runners on in the bottom of an inning. When Borowski came on in the ninth, the mood was anticipatory but hesitant. Everyone was on their feet, hoping for an easy inning, but knowing  that just one base runner brings the tying run to the plate. And in case you didn't notice, Borowski allows a lot of base runners. But, other than a long battle with Jason Varitek, he retired the Boston hitters rather easily. And with that, a happy stadium-full of Indians fans poured out of Jacobs Field, and blared their horns on their way out of downtown Cleveland.

Next Up: Wakefield* vs. Byrd, 8:21 PM.

*Subject to change

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Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Nine:
Now that we know Colorado would be our opponent should we move past Boston, I know one guy who was eager to see the Rockies move through. JBarf has 4 or more career hits against only 3 ML pitchers. Two of them are Fogg and Francis. He's got a double, triple and a HR against Fogg in 8 plate appearances (13 PA against Francis). SSS yes, but at least the kid has the potential to be useful next series. And no, I would not take AstroCab out of the starting lineup at any cost since that would probably put more pressure on a kid who's already pressing a tad.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled ALCS. Leaving for Cleveland now, I'll be out of the blogosphere until Wednesday night (assuming no rain, fingers crossed).

by supermarioelia on Oct 16, 2007 7:05 AM EDT   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Nine:
I can't figure out if this post is serious

by Roger Dorn on Oct 16, 2007 7:53 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Nine:
Make that two guys.  I'll be ALL OVER Blake Street for the World Series, in my Dorn jersey and 1994 era Tribe hat.  Anyone who wants to make the trip will be most welcome.

by CU Adam on Oct 16, 2007 12:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game 169
Speaking of celebrations, what is the thing Blake does during the handshake line where he sort of "scrunches" his hand above the bill of his cap? After that, it looked like Nixon sort of "answered a cell phone" with his hands.

I should have DVRed it.

by JulioBernazard on Oct 16, 2007 7:57 AM EDT   0 recs

Re: Game 169
It looked like Blake trying to be really white, and succeeding.

by TheVanillaGorilla on Oct 16, 2007 11:42 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

: Indians 4, Red Sox 2
http://ryangarko.mlblogs.com/ryangarko/

New Garko blogpost.

FOX does a wonderful job with mic'ing the crowd. You could feel how insane the atmosphere was there in the Jake. After the Lofton homerun, the broadcast crew remained silent for about 5-8 seconds and allowed you to really revel in the fanfare. Amazing moment.

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As an aside, I was re-watching that game last night and was disappointed at how the hitters did in 3-2 counts. I think 4 or 5 times we swung at ball 4 in those counts. A little too aggressive and really helped out Dice-K.

by Toxicadam on Oct 16, 2007 9:00 AM EDT   0 recs

Re: : Indians 4, Red Sox 2
Adam,

I actually timed it out -- Joe Buck and Tim McCarver remained silent for 54 seconds following the Lofton homer.  That's an eternity on television.  Kudos to them.

by tabler84 on Oct 16, 2007 9:08 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: : Indians 4, Red Sox 2
Yea, that was pretty incredible. Instead of beating you over the head with replays and graphics .. they just let the moment play out.

by Toxicadam on Oct 16, 2007 11:00 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: : Indians 4, Red Sox 2
I know McCarver takes a lot of heat, but I thought he was great last night. He was able to point out very quickly when Dice threw the Gyro Ball after he had mentioned it earlier in the game. I have to give them credit, because in my mind they are noticeably better than the TBS crew.

by Roger Dorn on Oct 16, 2007 9:49 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Nine
Jake was tremendous, much better than his pitching line would have you believe.  The best indication of how good he was is that he was allowed to go relatively deep into the game. When Kenny hit his home run my first thought was an old thought, "Oh no...Kenny swinging for the fences is never good" , and my second thought was "Jake will protect this lead".  He looked like a determined man out there, and I really thought for a fleeting moment he might even go nine. Seeing Jake start to leave pitches up in the zone started me thinking it wouldn't happen and Varitek ended any thought of a complete game. But what an effort from Westbrook.  And, then the bullpen!  At the beginning of the season was anyone here thinking we would have a bullpen capable of shutting down a team like the Red Sox in playoff mode?  Not me.  Not even close.  I was still thinking the pen was going to be our weak spot right up until early September.  What a game.

by MTF on Oct 16, 2007 9:17 AM EDT   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Nine
I find it very strange that your first reaction to Lofton's homer was, "Oh no."

Kenny is probably aware that he shouldn't be swinging from his heels on every pitch.  The Sox have had success, though, when they attack him up in the strike zone.  He sends more popups and weak fly balls when you pitch him up in the zone.

by tabler84 on Oct 16, 2007 9:52 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Nine
It's an old habit.  I don't know how old you are or how long you've been watching Kenny Lofton, but he used to believe he was a power hitter trapped in slap-hitter, get-on-base-and-work-it type casting and he objected mightily to it. He wanted to be a home run guy, but the desire and the effort often led to bad results in important spots.

For years you could tell when Kenny Lofton was going to have a bad game based upon whether or not he was trying to drive the ball out of the park.  So, when he hit that HR, my first reaction was out of habit, "oh nooooo, not that Kenny".  I know it seems out of place, and Kenny is different now.  Older.  Wiser.  I hope.

Certainly the result last night was different!

by MTF on Oct 16, 2007 10:18 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Nine
I'm 28, and I share some of your concern.  I'm just saying that you're far too negative if your first reaction to a home run is, "Oh no!"

I recall his power-hitting efforts very well.  I also enjoy the WMH references when Kenny pops up and "owes Wedge 20."  :)

That's why I pointed out the Sox' success in pitching Kenny up in the zone.  He has a hard time getting on top of pitches that are up, and his lack of power can generate lazy fly balls.

But I also appreciate Kenny's savvy.  I think he knows much more than we do...

by tabler84 on Oct 16, 2007 10:22 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Indians 4, Red Sox 2
Got back home (Michigan) at 2:15 following last night's game.  Great night at the Jake and huge effort from Jake on the mound.  Also, everyone of our often maligned infield defenders stepped up and contributed a big play at some point during the game.  Another load-carrying performance by Betancourt.  Betancourt is rising rapidly in my mind of 2007 team MVPs (even though he was already in the top 3).  The love for Lofton was out of control...and in general, the crowd was amazing.

Also, I normally don't pay much attention to the in-between innnings jumobotron videos, but they were fantastic last night.  Early in the game they got a guy mock humping a tree out near Heritage Park (during the sexiest fan promo).  Later they zoomed in on the Miller High Life guy (awesome).  There were other great jumbotron moments, but they're escaping me at the moment.

by APV on Oct 16, 2007 9:21 AM EDT   0 recs

Re: Indians 4, Red Sox 2
The Miller High Life guy was there again?!? He was there in August (right?) when I was at the Jake to see Alex Rodriguez own Paul Byrd.

He must be from Cleveland.

by afh4 on Oct 16, 2007 9:45 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Indians 4, Red Sox 2
Yeah I actually ran into him at some bar in lakewood when the cavs were in the finals too... hes gotta be from cleveland

by The Animal on Oct 16, 2007 10:06 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Indians 4, Red Sox 2
im going to respond to myself on this one, he's actually from fort worth, tx.

http://www.fortwortharchitecture.com/forum/index.php?s=19640e1d120ca53524b500121e7c06cd&showtopi c=2501

must just be a marketing scheme

by The Animal on Oct 16, 2007 10:20 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Indians 4, Red Sox 2
I was at the game last night as well.  My jumbotron favorite was the Boston pictures photoshopped with the red It's Tribe Time Now t-shirts.  Tom Brady, the cast of Cheers, the Celtics.  There were a lot of good ones but I'm blanking on what the rest were.

by Rachie on Oct 16, 2007 2:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Indians 4, Red Sox 2
Good pick up.  My friend who was at the game with me and is from Boston almost exploded when they showed Larry Bird wearing a Tribe shirt.  

by APV on Oct 16, 2007 3:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Indians 4, Red Sox 2
You know don't you, who there gonna show in a BoSox hat when/if we go back to Boston don't you?  I may hafta double up on my Zolof.
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Oct 16, 2007 3:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Indians 4, Red Sox 2
But we're already immunized against that, right?  That reminds me of another great Jumbotron catch from last night...a fan holding up a sign calling out Lebron being a Cleveland traitor.  The camera stayed with him for about 10 seconds, to a big round of applause.

by APV on Oct 16, 2007 4:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Indians 4, Red Sox 2
I think you're referring to the one that said something along the lines of: "The Yankees lost.  Lebron, can you wear a Sox hat?"
You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Oct 16, 2007 4:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Nine: Indians 4, Red So
So, would you want to be in Francona's shoes right now?  Up until now, he has done a great job managing the team through the season, but it was more of a psychological challenge (like keeping the players up and focused).  He never had to make any tough decisions.

Now, however, he is faced with some difficult lineup choices.  Start Beckett in game 4, with the opportunity to start him in game 7?  Waiting until game 5 means Beckett will not be available for game 7.  I've seen the arguments against this approach, but Beckett has been the only pitcher he can have confidence in.  Schilling might be okay, but I don't know how much stock you put in the ALDS game against the AAAA Angels.  Dice-K is shot, and Wakefield hasn't pitched in over 2 weeks and he was not on the ALDS roster due to a bad back.  People make a big deal about Wakefield's August performance, but that was against Tampa Bay and Chicago.  He was pedestrian at best in September.

Besides the Wakefield question, Francona must also wonder about Ellsbury.  This kid is the real deal and would be a big improvement over Coco or Drew.  Slip him into the leadoff spot and move Pedroia down to sixth in the order - this changes the complexion of the Red Sox lineup.  No longer would we be able to relax after Lowell's AB.

by Spidey on Oct 16, 2007 9:53 AM EDT   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Nine: Indians 4, Red So
I had to bite my tongue when my Red Sox friend started talking about what a genius Francona was the other night. F that. This is a set it and forget it team.

Managers deserve some level of credit for keeping teams psychologically together but I can't give anybody trotting out Youklis, Ramirez, Beckett, Schilling, Pap, MDC, Okajima, Ortiz, and Lowell anything over 5% of the credit for a team's success.

I get similarly upset when Theo is referred to as a boy genius or part of a brain trust or any of that. There is a moratorium on complimenting Theo after the mess he made the last couple of seasons with Drew, Matsuzaka, Clement, Gagne and Lugo.  I know they have money to waste but sheesh.  

To be fair they draft great and develop well.

That wasn't really related to your comments, sorry. I wasn't really responding to you it just set me off.

Anyways, to answer your question, I don't think Francona's making the Wakefield decision actively. I think it was decided beforehand that this is what they would do and now they're just executing the plan. They'd rather try to steal one with Wake-Byrd then win Beckett-Byrd and lose Wake-CC, then have to go Fausto-Schill in elimination. They're trying to win both of these games and they think this is the best plan.

That said, I think it's a pretty ridiculous decision and smells like the Clemens move. I don't see how you can ever start a guy on this many days rest in the freaking playoffs. I'd start Lester before Wake.

Wake gave up a HR to Royce Clayton in a simulated game the other day. Royce Clayton.

by afh4 on Oct 16, 2007 10:05 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Nine: Indians 4, Red So
Where did you get the info on the simulated game?  All I saw was that he said he is ready to go.

Dice-K also had a simulated game between the ALDS and ALCS and did not look good - nice foreshadowing.

The drafting has been good, to his credit, but I also think Theo's abilities are overstated.  In fact several Red Sox fans are referring to Theo in terms of BGS and AGS (Before Gorilla Suit and After Gorilla Suit, when he left Fenway at the end of 2005 season).  Since he came back, the team has had some questionable FA signings, to say the least...

I still give Francona credit for winning the WS and returning to the playoffs the following season.  Plus, he is very good with the media, explaining his decisions.  Genius?  That's a little strong.  I think there are good managers for specific types of teams.  Francona is a great fit for the Red Sox.

Interesting idea to start Lester instead of Wakefield.  It would be a different story if Buchholz were available.

I really think Tito will start Wakefield, but have a quick hook for Lester.  Starting Ellsbury, on the other hand, is a no-brainer.

by Spidey on Oct 16, 2007 10:27 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Nine: Indians 4, Red So
I copped the Royce Clayton thing off Sons of Sam Horn but can't find a cite for it. I guess take it for what it's worth but it makes sense to me.

The quotes aren't reassuring anyway:

He threw 77 pitches in a five-inning simulated game yesterday as the Red Sox held a full-squad workout at Fenway Park. Facing mostly bottom-of-the-roster hitters -- though David Ortiz did stand in for one at-bat -- he worked without discomfort and left the mound smiling.

He declined interview requests after the outing, but when asked how he felt he said, "Feel good enough."

Good enough? Maybe it's a turn of phrase but I'll grasp at these straws.

Link

Also, from Theo's wiki page regarding the gorilla suit is this gem:

A witness reported a gorilla was driving a Volvo similar to Epstein's that night. It could not be confirmed if Epstein had rented the suit, or if he owned it and planned to use it regularly.

by afh4 on Oct 16, 2007 10:36 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Nine: Indians 4, Red So

That Theo story is outrageous.  

He is a sharp guy - no doubt about that.  But, the dynamic in the management team for the Red Sox is dysfunctional.  Between the Yankees and the Red Sox, I could make an argument that the Red Sox are in greater need to make management changes - if they lose the ALCS, but that is a story for another day AND relies on a very big IF.

by Spidey on Oct 16, 2007 11:09 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Nine: Indians 4, Red So
wakefield-sabathia will never happen. game 2 starters can pitch game 5 on regular rest. And i think the Sox have to go with beckett now. in 3 of the 4 remaining games, they are at a pitching disadvantage, with beckett-sabathia being the only game that isn't. i would think that theoretically the chances of them wining 3/4 in that situation is less likely than pitching beckett twice against guys he should beat, and hoping to steal a schilling-sabathia or matsuzaka-carmona game.

by 7foot3 on Oct 16, 2007 10:33 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Nine: Indians 4, Red So
I don't know how you can call the Angels AAAA.  They're a good baseball team, and without some of the injuries they sustained would certainly be more formidable.  I just don't think passing off a team that won 2 fewer games than we did is reasonable.

On a general note, I think this whole "AAAA" thing has gotten out of hand and people are using it way too much.  If every team in MLB except for 2 or 3 is AAAA, doesn't that make the entire major leagues AAAA?  I guess that makes sense since it is one level above AAA (which is one level above AA), I'd just rather call them the majors.

by Nat on Oct 16, 2007 10:11 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Nine: Indians 4, Red So
And apparently the entire AL West, and any team with a record below 94-68.

by Nat on Oct 16, 2007 10:15 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Nine: Indians 4, Red So
To be serious for a second, I think he means the Angels' hitting, which with a hobbled Vlad, Garret Anderson's F'ed up eye, and no Lil' Sarge is a somewhat defensible use of hyperbole.

by afh4 on Oct 16, 2007 10:18 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Nine: Indians 4, Red So
Thanks for coming to my defense.  The Angels were a ghost of themselves in the post-season.  They literally limped into October.  I would be saying  (and I think everyone would be saying) the same thing about the Red Sox if Manny and Papi were in the same condition as Vlad and Anderson, or if the Indians were without Grady and Victor.

I think we all see that final records mean nothing when it comes to the playoffs- just look at the Rockies.  What matters is team health, preparation, and emotional condition - the team has already shown that it has some ability to win.  The Angels were lacking in all three.

Finally, consider this article from the Globe:

LINK

The writer makes the point that the Red Sox have yet to be challenged this season.  If the Angels were anything like their regular season selves (and put up a fight), he would not be writing this.

by Spidey on Oct 16, 2007 10:43 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Nine: Indians 4, Red So
One last point...
I'm not saying that Schilling and the other teammates that have "come up small" (using Schilling's phrase) will continue to come up small.  Prior to 2007, they have shown the ability to come up big.  But, recent performance has not shown that to be the case.  I think the only guy that has truly proven himself is Beckett.  The rest have not - but they still have the talent to do it.

by Spidey on Oct 16, 2007 10:51 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Nine: Indians 4, Red So
Good point.  To clarify: All of the National League is AAAA.  The American League is the American League.

(How long until Rockies or D-Backs fans go nuts?)

by tabler84 on Oct 16, 2007 10:15 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Nine: Indians 4, Red So
When the AL representative gets owned by the Rockies, and the NL carries the crown for a second year in a row, we're really going to need to shut up.

by afh4 on Oct 16, 2007 10:19 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Nine: Indians 4, Red So
I don't think it's entirely irresponsible to call a spade a spade. Much like in the NBA where the West is superior to the East, the NFL where the AFC is superior to the NFC. It's very apparant to the eye.

I was perusing all the FA moves this past season and almost every NL hitter that came to the AL struggled. The only exceptions were guys like Lofton who have bounced all around the league.

So even if the Rockies continue their incredible run .. it doesn't change the fact that the AL is deeper and stronger overall.

by Toxicadam on Oct 16, 2007 11:07 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Nine: Indians 4, Red So
Agreed.

Baseball is much more vulnerable to unlikely champions than, say, the NBA or even the NFL.  That's the nature of our great game.

And regardless of what league they play in, the Rox fans should be pumped.  It's a truly historic run.

by tabler84 on Oct 16, 2007 11:30 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Nine: Indians 4, Red So
I think its very safe to say the AL is better than the NL generally.  But, the baseball playoffs are so fluke-y that it would not be shocking to anyone if the Rockies could sweep the AL champ.  It is more likely to happen to in baseball than it would be in the NFL and especially in the NBA.

by DaytonDogg on Oct 16, 2007 11:35 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Game One Hundred Sixty-Nine:
My only concern is that Wakefield is so unpredictable.  He can be awful one outing and follow that up with 8IP with 2 ERs.  Most likely he'll be lousy - but he still can go out there and shut anybody down.

BTW anybody else catch the postgame interview with Westbrook where the reported asked him something to the effect of how his four-seamer was working and Westbrook said, "I don't throw a four-seamer".  Shows how much the reporters know/research.

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Oct 16, 2007 10:03 AM EDT   0 recs

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<"BTW anybody else catch the postgame interview with Westbrook where the reported asked him something to the effect of how his four-seamer was working and Westbrook said, "I don't throw a four-seamer".>

That was pretty hilarious.  Jake seemed almost embarrassed to have to call him out.

by tabler84 on Oct 16, 2007 10:09 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Nine:
For me, it's all about the layoff. That's just a lousy idea, in my opinion. Clemens couldn't locate; I don't see how Wakefield is going to be considerably better.

by afh4 on Oct 16, 2007 10:12 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Nine:
Yeah, he throws a cutter (I think only to left-handers), not a four-seamer. It's still fastball speed, but it certainly doesn't move like a four-seamer.

by Ryan on Oct 16, 2007 10:23 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Nine:
Fastball speed?  85 mph?  I've seen Wake pitch many times.  His fastball is only a fastball in name.  It is many other pitchers' changeup.
When bunting is a crime, only criminals will bunt.

by BostonWahoo on Oct 16, 2007 10:55 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Nine:
Not to get combative about this but this guy who seems to know what he's talking about, has Jake's FB at 87 to 92 mph.

Let's give our boyz proper respect.  Brother Westbrook is a damn fine pitcher and we should acknowledge that.

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Oct 16, 2007 11:08 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Nine:
Um, I think one of you is talking about Wakefield, the other about Westbrook.

The Fox gun had Westbrook at 93 last night, so probably more like 91.  Safe to say Wakefield won't touch that.

by CBusSteve on Oct 16, 2007 11:15 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Nine:
I really need to get this dyslexia thing fixed.

Sorry.

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Oct 16, 2007 11:27 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Nine:
Yeah, my bad.  The original post started talking about Wakefield, and my reading comprehension has declined since I stopped having to take standardized tests.  And my meds.
When bunting is a crime, only criminals will bunt.

by BostonWahoo on Oct 16, 2007 11:53 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Nine:
Westbrook, not Wakefield.  And yeah, that interview was funny.  JoBo had a nice post-game interview on the field as well.  I don't have his exact quotes, but he basically said, "I know I don't have the best stuff in the pen, but I've still got a job to do."  I like our team's attitude right now.  Also, driving home last night, the XM mlb guys said JoBo had more 1-2-3 innings than Mo Rivera this season.  Who knew?

by APV on Oct 16, 2007 11:13 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Nine:
Wow! Fascinating stat. Do you have a link?

by JulioBernazard on Oct 16, 2007 12:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Nine:
Since XM is radio, I should ask if anyone has a link for the 1-2-3 inning stat.

by JulioBernazard on Oct 16, 2007 12:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Nine:
Hammy or Underwood made the same point during the ninth inning last night.

by Spidey on Oct 16, 2007 12:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Nine:
I heard him say that, too, but I don't know where he gets his info from.  By my count, Borowski had 20 appearances this year of 1 inning or more without allowing a baserunner (out of 69 total appearances), while Rivera had 22 (out of 67).  That includes non-save situations.

by maledicta on Oct 16, 2007 2:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Nine: Indians 4, Red So
haha look at Paul Hoynes on ESPN2, right now.

by ASP on Oct 16, 2007 10:14 AM EDT   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Nine: Indians 4, Red So
Missed this; what was he talking about?  Details please.

by tabler84 on Oct 16, 2007 10:37 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Nine: Indians 4, Red So
Tom Mastny is my Leadership MVP right now. Call me crazy: Everything changed after he retired Ortiz and Ramirez. He had a point, too. Reading between the lines of his interview, I see: "What am I gonna do, concede the base? They're just hitters. My job is throwing the ball. I threw the freakin' ball. Enough already."

Personally, I think Mastny established that the Indians have to reclaim the high inside corner against those two. They're always elbowing into the zone? Well, that's their problem.

This is premature, but how great would it be if Tom's really as together as he's looked so far? Another real reliever would be fantastic.

by fleerdon on Oct 16, 2007 10:40 AM EDT   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Nine: Indians 4, Red So
Ok Tabler off I go, I dont need a rain out.  My seats are better than standing room only.  Please let me see the Cobra strike.
Upstate NY Tribe fan

by tribe fan in Rochester on Oct 16, 2007 10:43 AM EDT   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Nine: Indians 4, Red So
Bring back a winner, baby.  I want to see the clincher on Thursday!

by tabler84 on Oct 16, 2007 10:54 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Byrrrrrrd.
My favorite stat going into tonight: Paul Byrd's walks, or lack thereof, in 32 starts.

4 walks or more: zero times.
3 walks: 1 time.
2 walks: 8 times.
1 walk: 11 times.
0 walks: 12 times.

I have to think we won't be seeing a slew of bases on balls.  Byrd will make the Sox beat him.  And they just might, of course, but he won't give it away.

by tabler84 on Oct 16, 2007 11:40 AM EDT   0 recs

Re: Byrrrrrrd.
Just a thought: could some walks be a good thing tonight?  

Last night when Jake got that awful strike 1 call on the 3-0 pitch to Manny, I was upset.  Better to walk Manny than give up a big hit. [Does anyone think that strike one to Manny was not a makeup call for the horrid ball 1 call?]

I also hope that Byrd's reputation will help with the umpire.  

by Spidey on Oct 16, 2007 11:57 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Byrrrrrrd.
I had the same thought during Manny's at bat.  I'm glad I was wrong.

by APV on Oct 16, 2007 12:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Byrrrrrrd.
I think you're wrong to think this when we have a 4-run lead.  In other scenarios you'd be right.

by tabler84 on Oct 16, 2007 2:57 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Indians 4, Red Sox 2
Another funny story from last night's game.  I had some friends on the edge of the LF upper deck (sec. 577) sitting near a group of Japanese doctors.  They were apparently there to watch Daisuke and after he left in the 5th, so did they.  However, one of them returned to a round of ovation in the 6th, wearing a newly purchased Tribe hat.

by APV on Oct 16, 2007 11:45 AM EDT   0 recs

Re: Indians 4, Red Sox 2
that is absolutely hilarious. i wish i could have seen that

by Roger Dorn on Oct 16, 2007 1:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Nine: Indians 4, Red So
Speaking of crappy strikes, I captured this because it was so emblematic of the problems the ump was giving hitters (on both teams, definitely). It's strike one to Hafner in the bottom of the fifth:

by zempf on Oct 16, 2007 12:48 PM EDT   0 recs

Re: Game One Hundred Sixty-Nine: Indians 4, Red So
The ump was probably distracted by the blue streak tailing the ball.

by Nat on Oct 16, 2007 12:54 PM EDT to parent up   0