[I]ntentional over-reactions Thread
I was going to allow all Ideas tonight, bad or good, but that's no excuse for senseless whining. Back to basics. No good Ideas. Without humor, we'd just like Cubs fans, but penniless. So what say you, Cleveland? Shall we scale some Mountains of Change?
For my part, I have only one:
Next year, Paul Hoynes should pick the Indians to finish fifth in the Central.
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by LGT Patrick on Oct 22, 2007 12:11 AM EDT 0 recs
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Trade CC and Fausto straight up for Josh Beckett and Curt Schilling. Trade Cabrera for Pedroia, trade Martinez for Varitek and Hafner for Ortiz. Then, change our name to the Boston Red Sox, triple our payroll and trade in all of our dedicated life-long fans (I'm looking at you Chuck) for a bunch of clueless bitches in pink hats.
Because I, like a many of the game threaders, would be happier with winning at any cost than with winning fair.
by NickFantana on Oct 22, 2007 12:15 AM EDT 0 recs
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by Jay on
Oct 22, 2007 12:25 AM EDT
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I have circulated this to some true Red Sox fans who are all laughing their asses off...
by stuart dean on
Oct 22, 2007 8:15 PM EDT
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i'm sure Shapiro will be working all the angles, but what the #*@% else is he supposed to do? this team had the best record in baseball, two unstoppable starters, a decent lineup top to bottom, and what appeared to be enough moxie to get it done.
the only thing i can even think of is looking for a replacement for Carl Willis, who didn't get much out of his guys this postseason, but i think that's probably an overreaction. i mean, he sure got a lot out of them during the season.
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Oct 22, 2007 12:35 AM EDT
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Oct 22, 2007 11:56 AM EDT
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by fwembt on Oct 22, 2007 12:23 AM EDT 0 recs
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by fleerdon on
Oct 22, 2007 12:46 AM EDT
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thanks. thanks for picking last night and tonight to introduce me to your mom for the first time. and thanks even more for deciding -- both nights at the last minute -- that the best way for us to get to know each other would be by watching these games together.
no smoking. no drinking. no cursing. no lgt.
just us, in front of a tv, and me spending 50% of the time dying on the inside and 50% of the time catering to your mom and hoping i was making a good impression.
i'm officially breaking up with you. just as soon as you find this site. and read this post. and figure out it is me. none of which will ever happen. in the meantime, though, i guess i'll just keep hanging out with you and pretending i don't want the rockies to kick the living hell out of the sox.
by jonnykilbane on Oct 22, 2007 12:33 AM EDT 0 recs
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Oct 22, 2007 12:36 AM EDT
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by fwembt on
Oct 22, 2007 12:36 AM EDT
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at one point, when westbrook was shaky in the 2nd, she asked, "why are your hands so clammy?"
uh, because it's post-season baseball, baby.
the real issue at this point is whether i watch the sox with her. she'd watch the tribe if they had gone on to the series for sure. but, then again, she has no idea how painful it'd be for me. i think i'm going to be a totally undercover rockies fan for the next few weeks.
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Oct 22, 2007 12:42 AM EDT
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by jeremy on
Oct 22, 2007 1:00 AM EDT
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It can happen. You just have to realize that de-programming will be difficult.
Good luck - and if this relationship should progress to deeper commitment, pledge that the children shall be raised Tribe fans.
by Spidey on
Oct 22, 2007 12:46 AM EDT
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To my wife: "I am not going out anywhere with anyone for any reason; I won't even discuss it". I will be short and maybe even a little mean but I love you so let it go".
To my Mom: "I love you but my manners are suspended. I have no interest in having a family get together to watch the game and if you have one, I won't show".
by stuart dean on
Oct 22, 2007 9:44 AM EDT
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Oct 22, 2007 11:58 AM EDT
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by JulioBernazard on Oct 22, 2007 12:34 AM EDT 0 recs
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by ASP on
Oct 22, 2007 12:39 AM EDT
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But, wow. I would like to be positive about the past three games, but I don't see how it's possible. It feels like a choke to me even though I can't prove it statistically. Or in the Wedge vernacular, there was a lot of "pressing" going on.
As we all know, it's so hard to get here (the ALCS) and when you go up 3-1 with CC and Fausto to pitch, you just have to win. As good as this team is (and will be) and as much as I enjoyed them, the playoffs are promised to no team.
by rog on Oct 22, 2007 12:38 AM EDT 0 recs
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by rog on
Oct 22, 2007 12:51 AM EDT
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- 97 WS - duh
- 99 ALDS - Only because we were winning 5-2. I can still remember the air coming out of the stadium after Oleary's slam, also remember thinking Kenny's separated shoulder was the death knell.
- This, not #2 only because it was amazing we were in a game 7 to begin with, especially considering the way our aces and slugger performed.
- 95 WS
- 01 ALDS
by mikebrowns26 on Oct 22, 2007 12:39 AM EDT 0 recs
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Oct 22, 2007 12:40 AM EDT
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Oct 22, 2007 12:50 AM EDT
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by Jay on
Oct 22, 2007 12:50 AM EDT
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by mikebrowns26 on
Oct 22, 2007 1:07 AM EDT
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While not playoff losses per se, being eliminated in the last day or two of the season, 2000 and 2005, sucked worse than almost anything on the list. And 1994 sucked pretty bad, too.
by Jay on
Oct 22, 2007 1:07 AM EDT
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I also remember listening to the Indians call in show later and remembering the host (probably Keane, not sure though) specially saying "Its official, there will be no playoff baseball this year". Huge kick in the nads.
by mikebrowns26 on
Oct 22, 2007 1:12 AM EDT
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this one is also at the top of my list because the Braves and Marlins are lame, not evil. the Junior Yankees are evil. we just lost to evil.
by jeremy on
Oct 22, 2007 1:05 AM EDT
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I will say I was easily more emotionally (and financially i guess) invested in this team than the ones in the 90s
by mikebrowns26 on
Oct 22, 2007 1:10 AM EDT
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Completely crushed right now (and being drunk is not helping).
by vbc3 on
Oct 22, 2007 3:45 AM EDT
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by rog on
Oct 22, 2007 1:19 AM EDT
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Measuring the pain
97 - It was ripped right out of my hands
99 - A nightmare
96 - I expected them to win it all
95 - All four losses were by one run
01 - Our ace failed to close it out at home
98 - I hate the Yankees
07 - I never expected to be here
Looking at that list, measuring the pain, I have to mention one thing. I was born in 1955. Until the Indians actually made the post-season in 1995, when I had been going to Indians games for 31 years, I never really expected them to be playing in October. I was conditioned, by a lifetime of futility, to expect nothing.
David Letterman once had a Top Ten List of ways that you know at the start of the season that your team will not win the World Series. The No. 1 reason was "The name of your team rhymes with Schmindians." The team and the town were a joke.
Looking at that list, I realized that the Indians have been in the post-season for seven of the last thirteen years. It isn't the championship that everyone wants, but it ain't nothin' either.
by JamesPowell on
Oct 22, 2007 1:53 AM EDT
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I realized at the end of the regular season that, as frustrating as all of this can be, the Tribe has actually been consistently one of the best teams in baseball during my quarter century on earth, or at least during the part of that span that I've spent paying attention to baseball. Some Tribe fans have been waiting since '48... I've only been really waiting since '94, and I've had the opportunity to watch some pretty exciting baseball while I wait.
by jeremy on
Oct 22, 2007 2:09 AM EDT
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And by the way
Cold comfort, I know, but this is one of the elite franchises of this era. After the would-be dynasty team of the 90s retired or went away, a new one was rebuilt. Shapiro has done a great job.
by JamesPowell on
Oct 22, 2007 2:10 AM EDT
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This was followed by 35 years of the worst baseball in all of Christendom. Highlighted by criminally inept management, horrible trades, bad pitching, bad hitting and bad fielding all carried out in a wind tunnel designed for football. Unimaginably bad. But I loved going to that old park and seeing the emerald green grass and smelling the green hot dogs swimming in grey water and hearing the bull-frogged voiced hecklers bust Davalillio about his "power" or Tom Hilgendorf about his closer "skills". But the one thing we never - ever - dreamed about was a pennant, let alone a World Series Championship. Cuz, you know, we're talkin' about the Indians for chrissake. We got no shot. It was always the Yankees, and then the Orioles and then the A's and even the Royals for cryin out loud. It was never us - never.
So I don't wanna hear all this bullshit about pain - this is nothin' - nothin'. You guys realize that this team is at least the fourh best team in all of baseball and more likely the second best. And second best to a damn fine team, one that has pitching, both starting and relieving, a tremendous one-two punch in the order surrounded by some awfully good hitters - I really love their third baseman.
So let this one sink in. Sure it stings but soon - very soon - we'll be talkin' pennant again - maybe even World Series Championship. That's something I could only dream about for almost 35 years.
by mauichuck on
Oct 22, 2007 7:40 AM EDT
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In 2000, Manny was hurt and Thome was slumping. The Justice trade had to have cost us at least the game or two that kept us out. At the end of the season, Colon/Finley/Burba were on fire, Ramirez got healthy and Thome started hitting. If we'd gotten in, we would have made some noise.
In 2005, we similarly had 3 hot starters a strong bullpen and the lineup was mashing. Other teams in the playoffs wanted no part of us...
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Oct 22, 2007 9:49 AM EDT
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The Yankees seem to love a no-show.
Boooooooo!
by Jay on Oct 22, 2007 12:53 AM EDT 0 recs
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by VA tribe fan on Oct 22, 2007 1:20 AM EDT 0 recs
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A little blogosphere description of the pain that is being a Cleveland fan.
http://legendofcecilioguante.blogspot.com/2007/10/indians-routed-by-red-sox-there-is-no.html
by Duder on Oct 22, 2007 2:30 AM EDT 0 recs
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We didn't lose in the last game of a hard fought series in which the Indians gave as good as they got all series long. We were up by two games. The radio jocks were talking about who'd pitch against the Rockies.
Then we started "playing" really, really, really bad baseball. We stunk. We got beat in every facet of the game....badly.
We can say all we want about next year (and we will be good next year). I'm sure the Skankees, LAA, and several other teams are thinking the same thing. But next year is a gamble for even the best teams.
We can say all we want about what a good season it was this year...and it was. But it ended short of even getting to the Series with an abject choke. How many of those last three games did we keep them under double digits in runs? How many of those last three games did we score more than 2 runs? Three hard fought games with tight scores...you could make a strong case that it's not a choke, just baseball. Three games of getting beat by near-double digits? That spells "choke".
I get sick and tired of being philosophical about it all. I get sick and tired of having to make the case for how good we'll be and how dangerous we'll be "next year". I get sick and tired of watching other teams benefit from Cleveland's inability to play good ball in the clutch. (And I'm not going to get into those long, tedious, stats-geek discussions about what "clutch" means). I get sick and tired of wondering how we'll refer to THIS collapse. (Swerb's Blurbs recommends "The Stop", to go along with, of course, The Shot, The Drive, The Fumble, etc., etc.) I get sick and tired of watching other teams' athletes come up big in big games while ours fall apart.
So another team gets to celebrate while we talk about next year. Another team's fans get to go to work all smiles and thinking about what a great bunch of players they have while we get to wonder why our big guns didn't play big...again. Another team gets to hear the media talk about its great run while we have to figure out a name for this latest collapse.
None of this is to disparage for a moment what the team did get done this year. In fact, what the team got done makes it all the more painful. We weren't some team that snuck into the playoffs with a good late run to get the wild card. We had the best record in baseball..with a tough schedule. As I kept telling folks, we were better constructed for a WS run that we were in the '90's with two big arms, a very good bullpen, and enough hitting to get it all done. We were there. We had everything we needed. I've read some posts that say things like, "Well, we were lucky just to be here." Hell, we SHOULD have been there. We should have been there in 2005. (We should have at least contended last year.) We had all the pieces at the start and we showed it during the season.
So now it ends, not in a tooth and nail battle to the finish but in a collapse. I'm sick and tired of thinking, "What the hell does this town have to do to get a championship?"
by Chagrin Rick on Oct 22, 2007 7:25 AM EDT 0 recs
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The Indians did not play like it was "just another game," so maybe they should have embraced it being the biggest games (the 3 potential clinchers) of most of their careers. It's a huge game, but you win huge games the same way you win game 1 in April.
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- [see my earlier post]
- Steamroll a bunch of Danielle Peck CDs.
- Drive that steamroller to the MLB offices, and make sure they get rid of the same-city off-day in future playoff series.
- Lasik for T.Pronk?
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