USS Mariner breaks down Bartolo
by Pronktastic on Oct 27, 2007 10:23 PM EDT
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Pretty good article at USS Mariner concerning Bartolo Colon's free agency. To be truthful, Bartolo wasn't even on my radar before reading this, but the author makes some excellent points.
I hate to be one of those "let's bring back the team from the '90's" people, but could this be a wise investment for us? With some uncertainty regarding Byrd and our 5th starter, it seems like a one year deal with a team option would be worth the risk, especially to use as insurance if we don't re-sign CC.
Thoughts?
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Re: USS Mariner breaks down Bartolo
Good finds, maybe we should work for Shapiro because he doesn't see these potential signing out there.
by E5 on Oct 27, 2007 10:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by hans on Oct 27, 2007 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by E5 on Oct 27, 2007 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Your last line of your original post is nothing more than outright ignoring facts (i.e. Kevin Millwood was exactly the type of signing undertaken by Shapiro that you are asking for) and continues to demonstrate your bias against the FO of this team. For you to pick and choose details and make assumptions (i.e. [to be read in annoying mocking voice] "oh well, Shapiro says he's happy with the team right now....he must mean he's not going to make any big moves this offseason"), and ignore facts (ala the Millwood signing) to fulfill your anti-front office agenda is rather annoying. Couple this with your penchant for making a biased statement, being rebuked with facts, and then not responding, this becomes a tiresome (for me anyways) act.
We all know E5. You don't like the front office, you don't like the owner. We know. You don't have to continue to disguise these "opinions" in your discussions/comments.
by hans on Oct 27, 2007 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Sowers
Lee
Laffey
Miller (??)
Those are four guys that have more upside and cheaper contracts than Bart.
by Toxicadam on Oct 27, 2007 11:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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Miller is most likely better suited in the bullpen at the major league level and Laffey has not had enough starts to prove he is capable of doing so.
by E5 on Oct 27, 2007 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by ironmanatee on Oct 27, 2007 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by E5 on Oct 28, 2007 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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let's see, a pitcher that's battled shoulder inflammation, rotator cuff problems, tricep pain (twice) and finally pain in his elbow over the past two years. you might call all that minor, i do not call injuries/problems with almost every part of his arm from his shoulder to his fingertips minor. i'd take my chances with laffey or sowers at 1/20th the price.
by ironmanatee on Oct 28, 2007 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Miller may end up in the bullpen but he's a starter for now and more valuable in that role.
I agree with you on Laffey.
You didn't reply to my post in an earlier thread, but don't assume Shapiro didn't consider a move simply because it didn't happen. Have you read "Dealing"?
by Voltaire on Oct 27, 2007 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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It takes a long time to become gritty enough to pitch serviceable when you don't have over powering stuff. Heck, lots of dominate stuff pitchers have trouble pitching well enough to stay in the major leagues let alone a guy who by definition nibbles. I love Sowers and think he is gutty and I love seeing the little guy win out but lets be honest what he is. He is a spot starter who will get better as he ages because he will learn how to set up hitters better. You can not count on him being a consistent starter given his lack of stuff and inexperience.
by E5 on Oct 28, 2007 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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He showed in '06 that he can deal. He just has to adjust to the league adjusting.
by Voltaire on Oct 28, 2007 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Voltaire on Oct 28, 2007 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by E5 on Oct 28, 2007 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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And what of Lee? He has been better than servicable his entire career and has a great contract and yet you discard him as well. Colon is old, really fat, and has one good year since 2003 to his credit. He is a huge injury risk and his upside is greatly diminshed. Adam Miller represents all that could go right with Colon and we already have him.
by fwembt on Oct 28, 2007 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Purchased in March of 2002 and only worn twice.
by Toxicadam on Oct 28, 2007 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Voltaire on Oct 28, 2007 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I think, that as of today, we look at Cliff Lee as the probable 5th starter, heading into spring training. Having Laffey (22), Sowers (24), and Adam Miller (23 as of next month) in AAA at the start of next season wouldn't be that bad of situation. Obviously Miller is the man we would like to see force his way ASAP because of his high ceiling as a front of the rotation type starter, but until that happens we have three other guys who could fill the 5th starter spot. That is way way way more than many teams.
by hans on Oct 28, 2007 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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are you advocating acquiring another overwieght pitcher - after your diatribe on CC? It sounds like you're dismissing his health problems as bad luck. But CC had a few bad starts because he's a lard-ass, right? I'm shocked by this development doctor, if I am reading your thoughts on this and that matter correctly.
by Brick. on Oct 28, 2007 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Colon is fat and out of shape. We don't need too many of those, they don't wear well over time. Hence his various injuries.
I would rather take my chances, and go with Laffey (remember his pitching vs. the Red Sox in the ALCS) or Sowers. I think the latter could (again) surprise the Indians next year, although in a good way this time. His final start of the season (OK, it was against the KC Royals) was encouraging. He hit 91 on his fastball.
Of course, Adam Miller is the strongest choice, based on potential, but injuries keep retarding his progress. In spring training this year, after no earned runs in 14 innings, the Indians promptly shipped Miller off to Buffalo.
My vote is to resign Bob Feller. He could also replace Byrd, and as far as we know, he doesn't take any steroids.
by DenverIndian on Oct 28, 2007 1:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by Pronk33 on Oct 28, 2007 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Colon may be intriguing for the Mariners to consider, but he is definitely not a viable option for us.
by gahnki on Oct 28, 2007 5:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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