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Antonetti turns down Cards, named future Indians GM

I live in St. Louis and heard it on the radio while getting lunch.

You can read it on the post dispatch here.

UPDATE:  The Indians reportedly convinced Assistant GM Chris Antonetti to stay in Cleveland, declining the Cardinals GM job, by essentially promising him that he would succeed Mark Shapiro, apparently on a somewhat specific timetable.  Per ESPN.com:

It appeared Antonetti was leaning toward moving to St. Louis until Indians owner Paul Dolan stepped up, defined the succession process under which Mark Shapiro will eventually be the club president and Antonetti the GM and made other promises.

Antonetti said he was "very fortunate to have a choice of two of the best jobs there are with two of the best owners to work with," Antonetti said. "The Cardinals may be one of the top five GM jobs in the business, but we are very happy where we are and Paul Dolan made it impossible to leave."

Full story here.  It's unclear how much the lack of free reign under St. Louis ownership affected Antonetti's decision, and it's probably never going to be clear.  The Cardinals expected Antonetti to stick with an incument rising star as head of their farm system as well as La Russa as manager.  Shapiro has often raved about the Dolan family's willingness to give him free reign to run the team's baseball operations within the budget available.  We also don't know if a significant raise to GM-ish levels was part of the Indians' offer, but it does seem likely.  [Jay]

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Re: Cards Hire Mozeliak NOT Antonetti
dang. so much for free Albert Pujols.

by jeremy @ Let's Go Tribe! on Oct 31, 2007 1:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Cards Hire Mozeliak NOT Antonetti
Fantastic. Just get ready to go through this about fifteen more times...everybody with a GM opening this decade is going to want him.

by Kos @ Let's Go Tribe! on Oct 31, 2007 1:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Cards Hire Mozeliak NOT Antonetti
Speculation over at Viva El Birdos is that Antonneti turned them down.  

Perhaps a timeline was given for his ascent in our front office?

by Pronktastic on Oct 31, 2007 2:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Cards Hire Mozeliak NOT Antonetti
viva el birdos had an update saying shapiro will take over as ceo and give antonetti the reigns to the Tribe. anyone else hear anything like that around here?

by Roger Dorn on Oct 31, 2007 2:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Cards Hire Mozeliak NOT Antonetti
Wait, like this year?
Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on Oct 31, 2007 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Cards Hire Mozeliak NOT Antonetti
Eventually that would happen. It's more of a succession plan.

by Ryan on Oct 31, 2007 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Cards Hire Mozeliak NOT Antonetti
Key graph:

It appeared Antonetti was leaning toward moving to St. Louis until Indians owner Paul Dolan stepped up, defined the succession process under which Mark Shapiro will eventually be the club president and Antonetti the GM and made other promises.

by Ryan on Oct 31, 2007 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Cards Hire Mozeliak NOT Antonetti
Woah. Any idea of a timetable for this? I find this extremely interesting.
Sizemore-Shapiro 2008. The Official Red Bull of Let's Go Tribe Game Threads.

by Gradyforpresident on Oct 31, 2007 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Cards Hire Mozeliak NOT Antonetti
Felt that deserved promotion to the front page ... thanks for the link.

by Jay on Oct 31, 2007 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Antonetti turns down Cards
geeze, Dolan is so cheap, blah blah blah....

Does anyone still think this guy (and family) isn't a great owner?

by Brick. on Oct 31, 2007 3:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Antonetti turns down Cards, named future India
I like when guys want to stick around and I figured Antonetti wanted to, considering how many jobs he's interviewed for but hasn't gotten/taken.  Unless he's a really bad interview.

by rog on Oct 31, 2007 3:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Antonetti turns down Cards, named future India
I hear he's prone to a lot of inappropriate tie behavior:

by APV on Oct 31, 2007 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Antonetti turns down Cards,
Isn't Shapiro a little young to already think of moving out of the GM position?  Do we currently have a President?  How does the club President position differ from the club GM, particularly if we're just creating that position so that Shapiro and Antonnetti can both move one step up?

by APV on Oct 31, 2007 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Antonetti turns down Cards,
I think the Club President gets a better parking spot and timeshares for one of Dolan's  vacation homes.

by Toxicadam on Oct 31, 2007 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Antonetti turns down Cards,
God, you are lazy!  Start doing some research on comparable GM's at a similar age and level.

by Brick. on Oct 31, 2007 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Antonetti turns down Cards,
baseball-execs-reference.com?
Also!  
I demand an exciting management prospects list detailing who we have in the farm system!

by VA tribe fan on Oct 31, 2007 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Antonetti turns down Cards,
I would actually visit that site quite often if it existed.

And I know a lot of you would too.

by nickjs21 on Oct 31, 2007 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Antonetti turns down Cards,
I think he was letting the Cards down easy, "I'm kind of seeing someone right now.  But if I wasn't -  I'd totally go out with you."

by rog on Oct 31, 2007 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Antonetti turns down Cards,
The president and/or CEO has responsibility for the business operations as well as the baseball operations (ususally associated with the general manager).

In the case of the Tigers, Dombrowski has the title of President/CEO/General Manager.

If Shapiro becomes president, Larry Dolan can transfer the CEO title to his son.

by palcal on Oct 31, 2007 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Antonetti turns down Cards,
Larry Dolan is Owner and CEO
Paul Dolan is President
Shapiro is Executive VP & GM
Dennis Lehman is EVP for Business Operations

For more see here

by dave @ Let's Go Tribe! on Oct 31, 2007 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Antonetti turns down Cards,
Nice to see the janitors and rent-a-cops rate higher on that list than the team doctor.

Also, anybody think that that Dan Smith, VP of Food and Beverage, is really there to run the 'operation' for the 'family interests' like Robert DiNiro's character did in Casino?

(Ok, too much time at work.)

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Oct 31, 2007 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Antonetti turns down Cards,
Riding herd on Delaware North is a big job.

by palcal on Oct 31, 2007 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

hmmm
ESPN has pulled the above quote.  

by mkwng @ Let's Go Tribe! on Oct 31, 2007 3:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: hmmm
Really? Interesting. Strange that they would speculate that without actual facts or sources.
Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on Oct 31, 2007 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: hmmm
They'll speculate all day long, but it's strange they pulled actual quoted text.

by rog on Oct 31, 2007 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Antonetti turns down Cards
This has made me so warm and fuzzy on the inside, I feel like we just pulled off a sweet trade.  

Shiner Bocks and Christmas Ales for everyone!

by nickjs21 on Oct 31, 2007 4:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Antonetti turns down Cards
'Tis the season for daily hangovers!

by Brick. on Oct 31, 2007 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Antonetti turns down Cards
Here!  Here!

Now, if we can only convince the players to stay in Cleveland like we can the management.  

This might have been discussed elsewhere, but I think the front office job in Cleveland ranks as one of the better ones in the league.  The owner is supportive (if not with deep pockets) and stays out of the player decisions.  The division is competitive and the teams have comparable salary limits (not like the AL East).  And, the media does not shine a bright light on all of the activities.

by Spidey on Nov 2, 2007 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Antonetti turns down Cards
Actually, the teams do not have comparable salary limits.  Chicago and Detroit have payrolls well north of $90 million, with Chicago's over $100 million.  And it appears that Detroit's ownership is very willing to spend on veteran players and trade prospects for someone else's overpriced contract.
"Hey, you! Get off our lawn!" -- New Detroit Tigers Team Motto

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Nov 2, 2007 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Antonetti turns down Cards
At those salary levels, Chicago and Detroit can't buy themselves a championship or playoff spot.  They have the luxury to make a few more mistakes, but the money does not guarantee anything.  If we go with rule of thumb that no championship team can have a player take up more than 15% of total salary, I think a team needs to be above $130 to $140 Million before it can buy its way to a championship.  

by Spidey on Nov 3, 2007 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Antonetti turns down Cards, named future India
There's a decent chance this will turn out to be the best news of the off-season, and I'm quite fine with it.

by Thommy on Oct 31, 2007 9:29 PM EDT reply actions  

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