ALDS Roundup
A full recap is coming later today, but first a rundown of the media reaction to last night's series clincher:
Cleveland
Wedge never wavers, wins. Terry Pluto, PD.
Eric Wedge's managerial philosophy of stability (also known as complacency depending on the outcome) made the decision to pitch Paul Byrd in Game 4 a relatively easy one:
In baseball, the unknown is something to be explored only in dire circumstances. The Indians had a 2-1 advantage, and while there was no guarantee that a fully-rested CC Sabathia pitches the Indians to victory in Game 5, a fully-rested Paul Byrd gave the Indians the best chance to win Game 4. Sabathia might have matched Byrd's 5+ innings on short rest, but the history of pitchers on short rest isn't pretty:
Indians reach ALCS with Game 4 victory over New York. Paul Hoynes, PD.
And what of Paul Byrd? How did he feel about the starter controversy?
"No. 1, they asked me if C.C. Sabathia should start Game 4 instead of me," Byrd said. "No. 2, they asked me if C.C. did start instead of me, how would I feel. That was it. I walked out of there feeling like a loser. I think I'm a pretty heavy underdog."
Perhaps the media controversy was motivation for Byrd, who was aggresive against a lineup that hammered him the last time he faced them. Or maybe it was the chants from the New York faithful while warming up:
"I told them all to calm down," the right-hander said. "What an amazing place to play."
New York
Season Over: Yankees Out, and Torre... Tyler Kepner, New York Times.
The major story over the last two games of the series was George Steinbrenner's ultimatum to Torre: either beat the Indians, or you're out. While George has always been one to change his mind, Joe Torre was certainly taking the threat seriously:
"This ball club, they have a great future," Torre said, adding later: "This has been a great 12 years. Whatever the hell happens from here on out, I'll look back on these 12 years with great, great pleasure."
Even with Torre's success with the Yankees, I couldn't imagine a more difficult managerial job. In most other organizations, Torre's job would be as safe as the gold in Fort Knox. If George follows through with his threat, and Torre wants to keep managing, there will be a job for him.
It's not just Torre that might not be back with Yankees. Jorge Posada and Mariano Rivera are both free agents, and Alex Rodriguez can opt out of his contract. Given the support that Torre has from his players, a new manager might make it easier to leave the Big Apple:
Of his contract status, Rivera said: "They had an opportunity and they did nothing with me, so we'll see what happens. This is a business, and I'm going to treat it like a business."
Derek's Flat Fall. Mike Puma, New York Post.
In an amusing twist, the Yankee captain was the one being called out in wake of the Yankees' defeat:
The Yankees captain had two singles in last night's 6-4 loss to the Indians in Game 4 of the ALDS, but finished the series 3-for-17 (.176) with no homers and one RBI.
Jeter grounded into three double plays in the series, including a key twin killing in the sixth inning.
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by IndyDave on Oct 9, 2007 8:57 AM EDT 0 recs
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Awwww...
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by oxforddave on Oct 9, 2007 9:22 AM EDT 0 recs
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For all the ragging on experience we do here, it does seem like playing lots of close games against good pitchers had some relevance to the Indians' success. Those were some darn good ABs.
by fleerdon on Oct 9, 2007 9:30 AM EDT 0 recs
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Of course, we drew confidence back then by just crushing other teams into the ground completely.
My confidence is simple: There isn't anybody better than Carmona, and thank God we don't have to face him.
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During the regular season, the Yankees were just another team.
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Maybe we hire Torre as a (vastly overpaid) bench coach and then we get Rivera at a discount?
by jakesinger777 on Oct 9, 2007 9:35 AM EDT 0 recs
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Most of them were there for the money and will follow the money.
It sure will be interesting to see what happens when Posada and Rivera hit the market for open bidding. It's hard to imagine them as anything but Yankees, but of course, that's what we always say.
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by drerikbrady on Oct 9, 2007 9:43 AM EDT 0 recs
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In fact, that's probably the only thing I enjoyed about TBS over the past 5 days.
by rolub on Oct 9, 2007 9:59 AM EDT 0 recs
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I hope Joe Torre lands at another AL team and gets to stick it to his old team 7 times a year.
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Kudos also go to lady luck for an amazingly healthy season. Did any of our starters go on the DH this year? Best of all, they are all healthy now for the playoffs.
My favorite memory of this series was the bugs in Cleveland, and how much they bothered Jeter. I felt a bit sorry for Chamberlin, but Jeter acted as if every bug were a personal insult.
Anyone else notice the difference between the Yankees and the Indians? The Yankees rely on personal heroics, hence the three solo homers after they were down 6-1. Indian batters, on the other hand, concentrate on getting on base and trust the batters following them to do the same, and eventually runs get scored.
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Sabathia
Carmona
Westbrook
Byrd
Laffey
Sowers
Lee
Stanford
Millwood
Jason Davis (He started a couple times, right?)
Slocum
Jason Johnson
Elarton
Am I missing anyone? That's a tiny tiny list.
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I'm still amazed that, in 2005, we only had 4 starts that were not made by either Sabathia, Westbrook, Millwood, Lee or Elarton (all were made by Davis).
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2007 - 8
2006 - 9
2005 - 6
2004 - 12
2003 - 12
2002 - 16
2001 - 10
2000 - 13
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by Jay on
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I just would like people to make some judgements that are not results-oriented.
Of course, I have to concede that we'll never know the effect of Wedge's stubborn decisions (sticking with Trot after Clemens came out; going with JoBo "because he's the closer"). The players have said they appreciate it -- Byrd said so in his postgame interview last night.
So I guess I have to hope that the risk of Wedge's decision to hand the ball to one of our worst pitchers -- while removing the single best bullpen option -- is outweighed by some hard-to-quantify morale and team spirit.
Either way, let's build massive leads on the Sox so it won't matter. This is the most likeable group of guys I've ever seen in any sport, and it just feels like it's going to happen.
by tabler84 on Oct 9, 2007 10:20 AM EDT 0 recs
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by luifer5 on Oct 9, 2007 11:21 AM EDT 0 recs
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Martinez (.421)
Hafner (.429)
Lofton (.444)
Garko (.500)
Sizemore (.524)
Peralta (.579)!!!
Small sample size to be sure, but that's why we kept scoring all those runs with two outs. We always had guys on.
by maledicta on Oct 9, 2007 11:28 AM EDT 0 recs
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Jake v. Cobra
by maledicta on Oct 9, 2007 12:14 PM EDT 0 recs
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Just throwing it out there.
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by Joe on
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Westbrook had a much better second half.
Performed better against above .500 teams.
Keeps the ball down.
Better chance of inducing DP's.
etc etc
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And I also take no particular pleasure in being "right" about Byrd. Could've been a trainwreck just as easily, and we'll never know what C.C. does on short rest.
As fans, just like Wedge does, we make our best calls and go with it. Nothing much gets proven by one game, ever.
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by Voltaire on Oct 9, 2007 12:16 PM EDT 0 recs
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Lebron James.
It must be difficult to suffer through such an agonizing defeat while living in the den of the enemy with so much time on his hands.
by Matt in LA on Oct 9, 2007 1:22 PM EDT 0 recs
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I'm all for organizing a LGT trip to the "Q" to sit in the stands during a Cavs game and wear Indians tee-shirts and Pistons hats - maybe we can get Bob Feller to sit with us.
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34 in Cleveland
18 in New York
7 overall
sorry if this was already mentioned.
by ASP on Oct 9, 2007 1:29 PM EDT 0 recs
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A lot of people saying they must sign Santana and stuff like "we should move Posada to first and promote a catcher" but most of them have zero idea what their minor league system looks like.
Ha ha. Suck it, New York.
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Oct 12 Beckett
Oct 13 Schilling
Oct 15 Dice - K
Oct 16 Wakefield / Lester
Oct 18 Beckett (5 days off)
Oct 20 Dice - K (4 days off)
Oct 21 Schilling (7 days off)
TV scheduling is the only reason I see to push Oct 18th date, since no travel involved. Then you get your primetime SAT / SUN for the last two games if necessary.
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I've got to comment on this . . .
There is nothing in professional sports that I detest more than the type of (for lack of a better word) ungentlemenliness this episode reveals.
To publicly threaten a devoted employee (and a very successful one at that) with the loss of his livelihood is so rank and callous and . . .
I simply have no more words for this type of conduct in any realm of professional or personal relations.
How professional and upright is the Cleveland Indians' organization in comparison! The realization of this is certainly one of the greatest pleasures of the Tribe's successful 2007 season.
by ploni on Oct 9, 2007 2:17 PM EDT 0 recs
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The TBS commentators seemed to think the ultimatum fired up his team, but who knows what kind of added pressure it put on them last night once they were down 6-1?
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If the Tribe can't win it, I'd love Torre to take over the Royals and blow the Yankees outta the water someday. Now that would be perfect!
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What I'm talking about here has nothing to do with salary levels. It's about being a mensch, being decent and respectful of everyone--even if you sign his check.
by ploni on
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Steinbrenner is a total jackass with no class.
That is no way to treat any person.
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