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ALDS Roundup

A full recap is coming later today, but first a rundown of the media reaction to last night's series clincher:

Cleveland

Wedge never wavers, wins. Terry Pluto, PD.

Eric Wedge's managerial philosophy of stability (also known as complacency depending on the outcome) made the decision to pitch Paul Byrd in Game 4 a relatively easy one:

Wedge and pitching coach Carl Willis said they never gave any consideration to Sabathia starting Game 4 in New York on three days' rest rather than a starting pitcher's usual routine of four days between outings. Sabathia threw 114 pitches in five draining innings when the Tribe beat the Yankees in the opener last Thursday. Conventional thinking is to hold a pitcher under 110 pitches. Next, Sabathia has pitched only once in his career with three days' rest. That was on Oct. 7, 2001, when he threw five scoreless innings at Toronto. But in his previous start, he threw only 59 pitches -- also in five innings.

In baseball, the unknown is something to be explored only in dire circumstances. The Indians had a 2-1 advantage, and while there was no guarantee that a fully-rested CC Sabathia pitches the Indians to victory in Game 5, a fully-rested Paul Byrd gave the Indians the best chance to win Game 4. Sabathia might have matched Byrd's 5+ innings on short rest, but the history of pitchers on short rest isn't pretty:

Willis said the track record for pitchers on three days' rest is poor. In Game 4 of the Division Series, it has been done 18 times since 1995, the latest being the Yankees' Chien-Ming Wang's being belted for four runs in one inning Monday night. In these 18 games, the starters' records are 5-8 with a 6.52 ERA. In the postseason overall, it's 29-52 for teams using a starter on three days' rest since 1995.

Indians reach ALCS with Game 4 victory over New York. Paul Hoynes, PD.

And what of Paul Byrd? How did he feel about the starter controversy?

When Paul Byrd went to the interview room Sunday night after the Yankees beat the Indians in Game 3 of the American League Division Series, reporters asked him two questions.

"No. 1, they asked me if C.C. Sabathia should start Game 4 instead of me," Byrd said. "No. 2, they asked me if C.C. did start instead of me, how would I feel. That was it. I walked out of there feeling like a loser. I think I'm a pretty heavy underdog."

Perhaps the media controversy was motivation for Byrd, who was aggresive against a lineup that hammered him the last time he faced them. Or maybe it was the chants from the New York faithful while warming up:

In the bullpen, a chant that began with "Byrd" and ended with an expletive got Byrd going.

"I told them all to calm down," the right-hander said. "What an amazing place to play."

New York

Season Over: Yankees Out, and Torre... Tyler Kepner, New York Times.

The major story over the last two games of the series was George Steinbrenner's ultimatum to Torre: either beat the Indians, or you're out. While George has always been one to change his mind, Joe Torre was certainly taking the threat seriously:

In his postgame news conference, Torre choked up when talking about how badly his players wanted to win. He does not have a contract for next season, and he spoke with a sense of finality.

"This ball club, they have a great future," Torre said, adding later: "This has been a great 12 years. Whatever the hell happens from here on out, I'll look back on these 12 years with great, great pleasure."

Even with Torre's success with the Yankees, I couldn't imagine a more difficult managerial job. In most other organizations, Torre's job would be as safe as the gold in Fort Knox. If George follows through with his threat, and Torre wants to keep managing, there will be a job for him.

It's not just Torre that might not be back with Yankees. Jorge Posada and Mariano Rivera are both free agents, and Alex Rodriguez can opt out of his contract. Given the support that Torre has from his players, a new manager might make it easier to leave the Big Apple:

Rivera said he did not know why Steinbrenner would even think of firing Torre, and he said he would have to think about whether he would want to play for another manager.

Of his contract status, Rivera said: "They had an opportunity and they did nothing with me, so we'll see what happens. This is a business, and I'm going to treat it like a business."

Derek's Flat Fall. Mike Puma, New York Post.

In an amusing twist, the Yankee captain was the one being called out in wake of the Yankees' defeat:

Jeter disappeared for the AL Division Series, just part of the reason the Yankees are headed toward a seventh straight offseason that will not include a tickertape parade.

The Yankees captain had two singles in last night's 6-4 loss to the Indians in Game 4 of the ALDS, but finished the series 3-for-17 (.176) with no homers and one RBI.

Jeter grounded into three double plays in the series, including a key twin killing in the sixth inning.

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Re: ALDS Roundup
I have to say I absolutely love the Jeter article - I have already sent it to a few people.  Tribe wins, A-Rod (who I don't dislike and who the Yankee fans don't deserve)does OK and the almight Captain falls flat on his face.  Can't get much better.

by IndyDave on Oct 9, 2007 8:57 AM EDT   0 recs

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"Best fans? It was great to see empty seats in the ninth inning," Garko said. "It was great doing this here."

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2007/10/09/2007-10-09_indians_garko_blasts_yanke e_fans.html

by Cory Snyder on Oct 9, 2007 9:13 AM EDT   0 recs

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Garko is quickly endearing himself to me (after the bug comments and this.)

by emd2k3 on Oct 9, 2007 10:00 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Awwww...
"...the Yankees are headed toward a seventh straight offseason that will not include a tickertape parade."

(sobs)

by ManchildinBeantown on Oct 9, 2007 9:19 AM EDT   0 recs

Re: Awwww...
By my calculations, we should begin feeling sorry for them in 2059.

by SuddenSam on Oct 9, 2007 10:02 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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My first comments: First, I was a moron, and Jay and Ryan were spot on, Byrd was good and Wang (on 3-days rest) was awful. Now I am looking forward to game 4 of the ALCS, when the tribe will send Byrd to the mound, and the redsox will send Beckett on short rest. Becketts short-rest record will end in a barrage of hard hit balls.

by oxforddave on Oct 9, 2007 9:22 AM EDT   0 recs

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Some great stuff in Garko's blog today. . .

You can't buy into the name on the front of the uniform or the name on the back. You've got to go out and actually play the game. That's the way I looked at this series. The reason we struggled so much with the Yankees during the season was it was the first time we faced guys like Andy Pettitte and Mike Mussina. This time around, it was just like, "Who cares?" They're not any better than Johan Santana or Justin Verlander or Mark Buehrle and all those guys we played against all year.

For all the ragging on experience we do here, it does seem like playing lots of close games against good pitchers had some relevance to the Indians' success. Those were some darn good ABs.

by fleerdon on Oct 9, 2007 9:30 AM EDT   0 recs

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Such an interesting comment, because it rests on the idea that we have outstanding players and teams right here in the AL Central, and we draw confidence from doing well against them.  That's something we never had in the 90's.

Of course, we drew confidence back then by just crushing other teams into the ground completely.

My confidence is simple:  There isn't anybody better than Carmona, and thank God we don't have to face him.

by Jay on Oct 9, 2007 10:00 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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Word
Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on Oct 9, 2007 10:04 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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Or, as I told people who threw the 0-6 in my face:  We beat the teams we had to beat.  We won the series we had to win.

During the regular season, the Yankees were just another team.

by SuddenSam on Oct 9, 2007 10:11 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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That pretty much sums it up for me as well, I feel like with Carmona going in game 2, at worst we come back to Cleveland 1-1. And Matsuzaka/Wakefield/Lester don't scare me at all.

by mrich on Oct 9, 2007 10:33 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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Wakefield scares me a little bit - especially if our guys aren't patient - but I'm on such a high right now, I wouldn't care if they threw Cy Young at us.  This series - and the postseason - is ours to take.

by jjfoosk on Oct 9, 2007 2:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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Are you kidding?  With Wakefield hurting the way he is, and with his flutterball not quite as active on a cold night (knucklers do better with high heat and humidity) I'm salivating at the 3 2/3 IP of battig practice he'll throw in game 4.
When bunting is a crime, only criminals will bunt.

by BostonWahoo on Oct 9, 2007 3:06 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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I was reacting more to the Tribe's inability to rough up soft-tossers this year (or the past couple for that matter).  I'd forgotten that he's been hurt.  

by jjfoosk on Oct 9, 2007 3:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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I have to say, with the double Bud Light action he had going on in the postgame, I am sort of shocked he was in any condition to put together a blog entry.

by CBusSteve on Oct 9, 2007 10:33 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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Something tells me not to get into any sort of competitive drinking arrangement with Ryan Garko.

by fleerdon on Oct 9, 2007 10:40 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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Anyone else have the same initial thought as I did about Torre: Wherever he gets hired, if anywhere, the departed Yankees players will follow??

Maybe we hire Torre as a (vastly overpaid) bench coach and then we get Rivera at a discount?  

- Jake

by jakesinger777 on Oct 9, 2007 9:35 AM EDT   0 recs

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I don't really buy it.

Most of them were there for the money and will follow the money.

It sure will be interesting to see what happens when Posada and Rivera hit the market for open bidding.  It's hard to imagine them as anything but Yankees, but of course, that's what we always say.

by Jay on Oct 9, 2007 9:57 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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Rivera's comments sound as if he's not entirely happy with the organization no matter what happens to Torre.

by emd2k3 on Oct 9, 2007 10:04 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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It could also be him playing the free agent market. After all, if he portrays himself as indifferent to the Yankees, it makes other teams feel better about landing him. And it makes the Yankees pay top dollar to keep him.

by Ryan on Oct 9, 2007 10:08 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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I don't know which other closers are due to be free agents (anyone?) but I'd say that the prospect of Rivera on a one or two year deal would have to be really tempting for the Tribe.  I can't imagine we'd be significantly outbid by anyone - it's a (seemingly) rare instance of a big name free agent leaving the Yankees, while the Red Sox, Angels, Mets, Dodgers and Mariners, the traditional big spending teams, are set at closer.  Yeah, there are others, Texas and SF come to mind, so you never know, but I'd imagine we'd have to take a real look there.  I don't really want to start thinking about this yet, but is there any other position on the roster for which we might sign someone?
- Jake

by jakesinger777 on Oct 9, 2007 10:28 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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Funny you should mention the Red Sox. I've got to imagine they're hot on Mo. Papelbon's a good closer, but what a waste of innings.

by fleerdon on Oct 9, 2007 10:42 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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Fella's, we already have next year's closer on the team and his name is Jensen Lewis.
LeBron must GO!

by mauichuck on Oct 9, 2007 12:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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i would be surprised if it wasn't joebo.

by emil minty on Oct 9, 2007 12:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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He made a pretty strong argument for himself in Game Two, didn't he? That wasn't dominant, that was disdainful. I swear to God he sneered.

by fleerdon on Oct 9, 2007 2:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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Babe Ruth didn't finish his career with the Yankees.

by JamesPowell on Oct 9, 2007 10:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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I still can't figure out how this happened.  The Yankees swept us in the regular season.  They had Wang going last night and then Pettitte in game 5.  It's just not fair.   Not fair I tell you!
-Erik

by drerikbrady on Oct 9, 2007 9:43 AM EDT   0 recs

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I thoroughly enjoyed TBS panning to the "Captain Clutch" banner a few pitches before Jeter's GIDP.

In fact, that's probably the only thing I enjoyed about TBS over the past 5 days.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Oct 9, 2007 9:59 AM EDT   0 recs

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Who would've thought we could win so convincingly and in turn, (literally) destroy this Yankee team in the process.

I hope Joe Torre lands at another AL team and gets to stick it to his old team 7 times a year.

by Toxicadam on Oct 9, 2007 10:00 AM EDT   0 recs

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Me
LeBron must GO!

by mauichuck on Oct 9, 2007 12:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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So is Joe Girardi the next fodder for the Yankee grist mill?

by emd2k3 on Oct 9, 2007 10:05 AM EDT   0 recs

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I thought Don Mattingly was the heir apparent

by APV on Oct 9, 2007 10:14 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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one or the other, but i thought joe took the year off with the understanding this opportunity would likely arise.

by emil minty on Oct 9, 2007 10:27 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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I'd heard that they're keeping Mattingly on the back burner until the roster is 100% Cashman -- i.e., they don't want Don to have to deal with "rebuilding" issues.

by fleerdon on Oct 9, 2007 2:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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Kudos to Shapiro, Wedge and the coaching staff.  It was a real pleasure to beat up on the Yankees - especially taking the final game in Yankee Stadium.  (You don't know the depths of my lifelong hatred of the Yankees).

Kudos also go to lady luck for an amazingly healthy season.  Did any of our starters go on the DH this year?  Best of all, they are all healthy now for the playoffs.

My favorite memory of this series was the bugs in Cleveland, and how much they bothered Jeter. I felt a bit sorry for Chamberlin, but Jeter acted as if every bug were a personal insult.

Anyone else notice the difference between the Yankees and the Indians? The Yankees rely on personal heroics, hence the three solo homers after they were down 6-1.  Indian batters, on the other hand, concentrate on getting on base and trust the batters following them to do the same, and eventually runs get scored.

by LeftyCatcher on Oct 9, 2007 10:09 AM EDT   0 recs

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Lee started the year on the DL & Westbrook went on not long afterwards, but aside from those guys we've really had pretty healthy starting pitching this year (knock on wood).

by zempf on Oct 9, 2007 10:11 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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The only position player who went on the DL was David Dellucci. Westbrook and Lee had 6 week stints on the DL. But that was pretty much it. The Indians have been very fortunate on the injury front this season.

by Ryan on Oct 9, 2007 10:12 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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And since that's what got Fausto into the rotation, the SP injuries turned out to actually be a boon to us.

by Jackdaw on Oct 9, 2007 10:21 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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You are always fortunate when you can avoid serious injuries.  I suspect some of the credit goes to having a young team.  Perhaps the training staff deserves a hat tip as well.  This is two consecutive years of a rather light injury load.

by CBusSteve on Oct 9, 2007 10:27 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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Yep, I'd love to see how many starters we've used in the past two seasons (past three seasons, really) compared to the rest of the league.

by tabler84 on Oct 9, 2007 10:41 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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I'm sure some people on this website can name them off the top of their heads..I'll try (I know it won't be complete, I'm at work after all, but someone can complete it for me):

Sabathia
Carmona
Westbrook
Byrd
Laffey
Sowers
Lee
Stanford
Millwood
Jason Davis (He started a couple times, right?)
Slocum
Jason Johnson
Elarton

Am I missing anyone? That's a tiny tiny list.

- Jake

by jakesinger777 on Oct 9, 2007 10:53 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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Now that I've posted that, I'll look it up...I missed Guthrie - and that's it.

I'm still amazed that, in 2005, we only had 4 starts that were not made by either Sabathia, Westbrook, Millwood, Lee or Elarton (all were made by Davis).

- Jake

by jakesinger777 on Oct 9, 2007 10:56 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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...or even compared to our history.  Certainly ineffectiveness of starters in the past inflates these numbers, but I have:

2007 - 8
2006 - 9
2005 - 6
2004 - 12
2003 - 12
2002 - 16
2001 - 10
2000 - 13

by CBusSteve on Oct 9, 2007 10:54 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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More significant would be to compare the number of starts made by our Top 4, compared to others, and our Top 6.

by Jay on Oct 9, 2007 7:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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With the PD's crew, the results write the story.  That's not always a bad thing, but Cleveland would be burning if JoBo had kicked away the lead.  And he certainly tried to do so.

I just would like people to make some judgements that are not results-oriented.  

Of course, I have to concede that we'll never know the effect of Wedge's stubborn decisions (sticking with Trot after Clemens came out; going with JoBo "because he's the closer").  The players have said they appreciate it -- Byrd said so in his postgame interview last night.

So I guess I have to hope that the risk of Wedge's decision to hand the ball to one of our worst pitchers -- while removing the single best bullpen option -- is outweighed by some hard-to-quantify morale and team spirit.

Either way, let's build massive leads on the Sox so it won't matter.  This is the most likeable group of guys I've ever seen in any sport, and it just feels like it's going to happen.

by tabler84 on Oct 9, 2007 10:20 AM EDT   0 recs

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great decision by Wedge to give Byrd the start, i thought it was gonna be an awful decision but Byrd did a great job to get thru 5 innings, what a great night yesterday, now we have to go to Boston with out two aces, im feeling pretty good right now....LETS GO TRBE!!

by luifer5 on Oct 9, 2007 11:21 AM EDT   0 recs

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Tribe had 6 guys who had OBPs of .400 or higher for the series:  

Martinez (.421)
Hafner (.429)
Lofton (.444)
Garko (.500)
Sizemore (.524)
Peralta (.579)!!!

Small sample size to be sure, but that's why we kept scoring all those runs with two outs.  We always had guys on.

by maledicta on Oct 9, 2007 11:28 AM EDT   0 recs

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No doubt.  TBS announcers never figured out that the number of opportunities was much more important than the batting average with RISP.  

by tabler84 on Oct 9, 2007 11:34 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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As a team for the series, the Tribe hit .315/.417/.524 whereas the Yankees hit .228/.300/.404. I think that sums things up pretty well.

by zempf on Oct 9, 2007 11:37 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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Aside from the sample size problem, which can't be solved, I think you would get more meaningful data if you removed any plate appearances against Ross Ohlendorf.  Those trials are simply not relevant, because Ohlendorf literally is not a major league pitcher.

by Jay on Oct 9, 2007 5:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Jake v. Cobra
General question:  Do those of us who pushed for Westbrook over Byrd in game 3 feel silly today?  Obviously it all worked out in the end, but has hindsight shown it to be the wrong decision?

by maledicta on Oct 9, 2007 12:14 PM EDT   0 recs

Re: Jake v. Cobra
I don't think so at all.

by Voltaire on Oct 9, 2007 12:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Jake v. Cobra
Byrd was better.  We might have swept.

Just throwing it out there.

by maledicta on Oct 9, 2007 12:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Jake v. Cobra
Westbrook is better than Byrd. Just throwing that out there.
The poster formerly known as JRam.

by Joe on Oct 9, 2007 8:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Jake v. Cobra
We clubbed that issue to death.

Westbrook had a much better second half.
Performed better against above .500 teams.
Keeps the ball down.
Better chance of inducing DP's.

etc etc

by Toxicadam on Oct 9, 2007 12:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Jake v. Cobra
I'd do it again in a second.

And I also take no particular pleasure in being "right" about Byrd.  Could've been a trainwreck just as easily, and we'll never know what C.C. does on short rest.

As fans, just like Wedge does, we make our best calls and go with it.  Nothing much gets proven by one game, ever.

by Jay on Oct 9, 2007 9:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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What a great beginning to our second winning season of the year.

by Voltaire on Oct 9, 2007 12:16 PM EDT   0 recs

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You know who I feel bad for in all of this?

Lebron James.

It must be difficult to suffer through such an agonizing defeat while living in the den of the enemy with so much time on his hands.

by Matt in LA on Oct 9, 2007 1:22 PM EDT   0 recs

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I agree. It'll for sure take him minutes to put his money and energies into some kind of diversion.

by ploni on Oct 9, 2007 2:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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Yeah, me too <sarc>

I'm all for organizing a LGT trip to the "Q" to sit in the stands during a Cavs game and wear Indians tee-shirts and Pistons hats - maybe we can get Bob Feller to sit with us.

LeBron must GO!

by mauichuck on Oct 9, 2007 4:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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Feller? It will cost you 12 dollars each to sit with him.

by emd2k3 on Oct 9, 2007 5:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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As classless as LeBron's actions were, I will never put anything with a Piston's logo (or the logo of any Detroit team, for that matter) on my body.
Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on Oct 9, 2007 5:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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I'm not sure how different the scales are, but according to Mike and Mike, last night's ratings were

34 in Cleveland
18 in New York
7 overall

sorry if this was already mentioned.

by ASP on Oct 9, 2007 1:29 PM EDT   0 recs

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Man, reading the comments on PA is awesome. They're completely freaking out.

A lot of people saying they must sign Santana and stuff like "we should move Posada to first and promote a catcher" but most of them have zero idea what their minor league system looks like.

Ha ha. Suck it, New York.

Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on Oct 9, 2007 1:40 PM EDT   0 recs

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Schilling moved up to game 2 vs Fausto, DiceK moved back to game 3.

by ASP on Oct 9, 2007 2:04 PM EDT   0 recs

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Interesting.  I still like Fausto to win in game 2, and Westbrook and Dice-K match up pretty evenly in game 3 (I would have given Schilling the slight edge had he started).  I almost think this move benefits the Tribe more than the BoSox.

by jjfoosk on Oct 9, 2007 2:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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Read a Boston article saying that the reason they want "Bloody Sock" to pitch game 2 is that, given the off day schedule, it allows them to flop Dice-K and Schilling as needed at the back end, so Schilling could actually pitch games 2 and 7 on extended rest, while Dice-K could pitch 3 and 6 on regular rest.

Oct 12  Beckett
Oct 13  Schilling
Oct 15  Dice - K
Oct 16  Wakefield / Lester
Oct 18  Beckett (5 days off)
Oct 20  Dice - K (4 days off)
Oct 21  Schilling (7 days off)

TV scheduling is the only reason I see to push Oct 18th date, since no travel involved.  Then you get your primetime SAT / SUN for the last two games if necessary.

by steincat on Oct 9, 2007 6:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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That's funny, because wasn't this entire schedule set up this way so fewer series would end on a weeekend - when ratings are lower?
>> I reserve the right to extend and revise my remarks.

by paul sorrento to cooperstown on Oct 10, 2007 10:07 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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George Steinbrenner's ultimatum to Torre

I've got to comment on this . . .

There is nothing in professional sports that I detest more than the type of (for lack of a better word) ungentlemenliness this episode reveals.

To publicly threaten a devoted employee (and a very successful one at that) with the loss of his livelihood is so rank and callous and . . .

I simply have no more words for this type of conduct in any realm of professional or personal relations.

How professional and upright is the Cleveland Indians' organization in comparison! The realization of this is certainly one of the greatest pleasures of the Tribe's successful 2007 season.

by ploni on Oct 9, 2007 2:17 PM EDT   0 recs

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Agreed.  Steinbrenner's ultimatum was crass and unprofessional. In other words, something you'd expect from Steinbrenner.

The TBS commentators seemed to think the ultimatum fired up his team, but who knows what kind of added pressure it put on them last night once they were down 6-1?

by LeftyCatcher on Oct 9, 2007 2:51 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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Before we get all misty-eyed about Mr. Torre, remember he's one of the highest - if not the highest - paid managers in baseball, something in the multi-mega buck range for the last 12 years (!).  He's got plenty of dough.   And Steinbrenner humiliated himself - not Joe.

If the Tribe can't win it, I'd love Torre to take over the Royals and blow the Yankees outta the water someday.  Now that would be perfect!

LeBron must GO!

by mauichuck on Oct 9, 2007 4:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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Mauichuck, it's a given that professional baseball is a high-revenue industry. More power to all of them.

What I'm talking about here has nothing to do with salary levels. It's about being a mensch, being decent and respectful of everyone--even if you sign his check.

by ploni on Oct 9, 2007 4:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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Totally right.

Steinbrenner is a total jackass with no class.

That is no way to treat any person.

by Jay on Oct 9, 2007 5:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs