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If we see Boston again....

Please, please, please....I beg everyone who asked us politely to not razz the red sox fans because they were "classier" than Yankee fans to go ANY web site that has the story on CC winning the Cy young and read the comments from Red Sox nation.

Ive never seen a fan base that just won a world series act so spiteful; one of my best friends leaked the story to me by saying "** CC, Beckett has 2 more important rings. The voting is obviously rigged"

I know the argument exist that any fan base has their obnoxious fans, but oiy.....could you imagine any Cleveland fan, reveling in world series glory, to post comments following a Red Sox article with that kind of trash?

Please razz away on the younger, obnoxious, and immature little brothers of Yankee fandom.

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Re: If we see Boston again....
I wrote a diary a couple months back on Red Sox "Nation." If you didn't see it then you should go back and read it with its accompanying article.

I hate the ignorant douche bags so much.

I just had surgery on my labrum so please excuse the typing errors.

by gahnki on Nov 13, 2007 5:35 PM EST   0 recs

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Agree 100%.  The thing that gets me about them is that, unlike Yankees fans, they still expect the rest of the world to treat their team as a downtrodden little underdog rather than the market-distorting bully.

by Jackdaw on Nov 13, 2007 9:22 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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Who is "they?"  I have not heard one Red Sox fan talk anything like that.  The ones I know personally are resigned to the ruination of Red Sox fandom as it gets overrun by front-runners and corrupted by winning with money.

by Jay on Nov 14, 2007 11:32 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

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Bill Simmons is a name that comes to mind.

by KevinV on Nov 14, 2007 11:40 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

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in the last few years they've be come nearly the same self-entitled blow hards that they complained of the yankees for so long.

by Brick. on Nov 13, 2007 5:36 PM EST   0 recs

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'they' being the faction of fans you're talking about.  certainly there's a fair share of knowledgeable fans as well.  it's the newer fair-weather masses that are insufferable - the nation if you will.

by Brick. on Nov 13, 2007 5:44 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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http://www.letsgotribe.com/story/2007/9/3/18236/64655

The article in there is really good.

I just had surgery on my labrum so please excuse the typing errors.

by gahnki on Nov 13, 2007 5:44 PM EST   0 recs

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I find their reaction totally unremarkable.  I have little doubt Indians fans would be saying the same thing were our positions reversed.

by Jay on Nov 13, 2007 6:05 PM EST   0 recs

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Agree to disagree. Im sure if we had a 10 year stretch with the kind of phenomenal success they have enjoyed in Cleveland, we might become that smug. Maybe.
God truly does hate cleveland sports.

by Gradysmanldy on Nov 13, 2007 6:17 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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Have you read some of the comments on the ESPN boards?
I just had surgery on my labrum so please excuse the typing errors.

by gahnki on Nov 13, 2007 6:45 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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Seriously, why get worried about it? There will always be people who disagree with what one says or thinks. Worrying about what the peanut gallery on ESPN thinks is like worrying about continental drift; it's going to happen, and what there is isn't much.  

by Ryan on Nov 13, 2007 9:26 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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Oh, I'm not worried at all but I find it amusing how people think on there.
I just had surgery on my labrum so please excuse the typing errors.

by gahnki on Nov 14, 2007 8:49 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

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Laugh all you want about continental drift, but when the Morlocks tire of moving tectonic plates and return to the surface, we'll see who is laughing.

by mkwng on Nov 14, 2007 11:15 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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(laughing out loud).....don't know why, but this reminds me of this quote from Ghostbusters:

Dr. Egon Spengler: Vinz, you said before you were waiting for a sign. What sign are you waiting for?

Louis: Gozer the Traveler. He will come in one of the pre-chosen forms. During the rectification of the Vuldrini, the traveler came as a large and moving Torg! Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the McKetrick supplicants, they chose a new form for him: that of a giant Slor! Many Shuvs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day, I can tell you!

by hans on Nov 15, 2007 12:46 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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Gozer the Traveler was a hack.

by nickjs21 on Nov 15, 2007 12:48 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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have you ever read some of the comments on the cleveland.com forums?  there are retards everywhere.

still... i've hated the Red Sox for so long that I was actually cheering for the Yankees loudly, in public, in CLEVELAND, when Aaron F. Boone hit the HR off Wakefield.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Nov 14, 2007 9:41 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

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I didn't find it hard to root for the Red Sox back then (I liked them so much more than the current crop).  If given the choice between the Rally Monkey, one of our division rivals, and the f' Yankees, I have to root for the best "Baseball story", lame as that may sound.

I went to every game of the Yanks-Sox '04 series at this one bar on 109th st.  I cheered on the Sox through the whole ordeal.  They didn't have a chance, it seemed, but it was the good cause.

I resent the Yankees as much as the next guy, but even still, I lived at 139th st at the time and I liked the Yankees fans I knew.  The deli guys, the cabbies, the girl who served me coffee--that crowd's ok.  They loved the Yankees.  They painted the insignia on the sidewalk panels.  The $500 dollar/game right-behind-the-dish crowd, not so much.  Yanks fans aren't all bad; many of them haven't ever left their borough--literally--and they think they're being patriotic.

by homelytourist on Nov 15, 2007 10:27 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

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If the best baseball story is the second highest payroll beating the highest payroll than I guess you're right.

by hans on Nov 15, 2007 12:48 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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Well, the Sox' payroll in '04 was $125 million counting Nomar, and the Yankees' weighed in at $182 million.  And the Tribe was not in it, obviously, so the choice was fairly easy.

Also!  I resent the team spending, and some individual players (esp. Papelbon, Pedroia for no good reason), and I have a condescending view of their general respective fanbases... but I don't loathe the individual fans.  

by homelytourist on Nov 15, 2007 2:28 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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There are PLENTY of good reasons to hate Pope LeBon and Captain Male Patern Baldness.

by Brick. on Nov 15, 2007 3:42 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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I have no problem with rooting for one or the other, but doing it because its the "best baseball story" when in fact it was a representation with what is wrong with baseball (spending ability inequality).

by hans on Nov 15, 2007 7:19 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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See for a minute I thought you were talkin' about livin' in Cleveland.  I was thinkin' "I wonder what bar on 109th HT was hangin' at?"  Must be east side - ain't nothin' on W109.  Could it be the Euclid Tavern?  Nay, that's at 116th, I think.  Certainly nothin' on 109 and Superior or Wade Park - they'd eat that skinny boy for lunch.

Then I realized you meant New York - my bad.

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Nov 15, 2007 12:57 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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Yeah, but CC actually deserved it, so it would be okay for us to do if he had lost. :)

by Kos on Nov 13, 2007 9:48 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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here here! I hate the sox, I hate the Yankees, I hate the Tigers and the White Sox and I care nothing for any of their fans no matter how intelligent and respectful I'm told they may be.

Yankees fans and Red Sox fans are more alike than Red Sox fans and Indians fans are. God. typing about that stupid fan nation is boiling me right up....I need a drink.

by hans on Nov 13, 2007 7:44 PM EST   0 recs

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Its hard to hate some one when all they do is do things the right way.  Now if they cheat or do things to subvert the laws of baseball I will be the first to crush down on them.
Jason Bay, Kelly Shoppach and Dustin Pedroia (ROY) these are some of my favorite players. LGT resident kinesiologist

by E5 on Nov 13, 2007 10:36 PM EST   0 recs

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Smite them E5, smite them well.

by nickjs21 on Nov 13, 2007 10:42 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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Manny certainly didn't do things the right way

by DixonCayne on Nov 14, 2007 1:46 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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Guys, lay off.  Boston as a city hasn't had it very easy this past month or so.  They could have really used this break, if nothing more than as a morale boost.

by nickjs21 on Nov 13, 2007 10:43 PM EST   0 recs

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Maybe I'm missing some snark or am just ignorant of what's going on up in Boston, but are you kidding me.  At least sports wise they have a team that just won the WS, they have a football team that are well on their way to a perfect season and if I heard the hype right (and it apparently even filters through when you deliberately try to block out the NBA) they've got a NBA team that should go to the finals.  How much of a moral boost to they really need?
Apparently headed towards a solid 2nd and 3rd in the LGT Fantasy Leagues. Eh...

by mjmarble on Nov 13, 2007 11:15 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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Yes, you were so missing the snark.

by nickjs21 on Nov 13, 2007 11:16 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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That was quite possibly the most blatant snark of the week.

by supermarioelia on Nov 14, 2007 9:03 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

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I just wanted to make sure I didn't miss a school bus going off a bridge or something.  Didn't want to come off as a completely insensitive jerk.

Against my better judgment and due to extreme boredom at work, I went out to some of the baseball message boards on places like sportsline and cnnsi, and let me tell you BoxSox fans, at least the ones who post, are whiny little pansies.  That once upon a time that many of us felt sorry for these jerks?  It needs to go.

By the way, did you hear that Beckett won 20 games?  Doesn't that pretty much gift wrap a Cy Young?

Dipshits.

Apparently headed towards a solid 2nd and 3rd in the LGT Fantasy Leagues. Eh...

by mjmarble on Nov 14, 2007 9:35 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

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Pretty much all the so called NEW DEVILS, the HATED RED SOX NATION over at over the wall had good things to say about C.C.  I think this hatred comes from that loser that grew up in New England moved away after crying as a kid when the ball went threw Buckners legs and now feels guilty for giving up on his team.  Now this loser tries to cover up the fact that they were a deserter with over zealous superlatives and adjectives to describe his SOX.  This person is not a true Sox fan, a real fan doesn't rub it in because they really suffered when they didn't finish it off.  I don't hate these so called Sox fans, I laugh at them because they are the same idiots that call all the radio stations saying Francona is an Idiot and that Manny and Ortiz sucks.  Don't be mad, be happy you aren't this type of fool.
Jason Bay, Kelly Shoppach and Dustin Pedroia (ROY) these are some of my favorite players. LGT resident kinesiologist

by E5 on Nov 13, 2007 10:58 PM EST   0 recs

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Is this LGT stream of consciousness?
I swear, next year is it.

by fwembt on Nov 14, 2007 12:50 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

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And of course I misspell it.
I swear, next year is it.

by fwembt on Nov 14, 2007 12:52 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

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You did that just to make him feel better, didn't you?
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Nov 14, 2007 7:10 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

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I'm embarassed really.
I swear, next year is it.

by fwembt on Nov 14, 2007 12:39 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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There are plenty of idiots out there.  I read the comments to the Fox Sports article on the story, and there was smoke coming out of my ears.

Then I realized that the morons posting there didn't even know WHEN the vote was taken, that it had to do with the regular season or how much better C.C. was in several categories.  

I visited OTM and found an article on the board congratulating C.C. and the vast majority of the comments to it doing the same.  A few did point out that the Red Sox got the more desirable hardware this year, but I knew that already - and so did C.C.  Still, there was some class to it.

Next, I visited PA for the evil empire's perspective on this story ... there was none.  No article, no diary post.  It seem that in the land of pinstripes, if a Yankee didn't win the award there's no need to acknowledge that it was even given out.

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Nov 14, 2007 2:47 PM EST   0 recs

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I've been lurking over at Pinstripe Alley a bit. Its pretty amusing. They usually get about USA Today level depth with their analysis. One of them used VORP in an analysis and they reacted like natives who just saw a helicopter land.

Their worship of their "Trinity" is pretty amusing too. I admit that they are good prospects, but they act like they can just pencil them in as Clemens, Petite and Maddox for the next 15 years.

The Yankess are not going to make the playoffs next year, and I look forward to reading about it over there.

by KevinV on Nov 14, 2007 3:05 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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Ian Kennedy should not be part of any "Trinity".
I just had surgery on my labrum so please excuse the typing errors.

by gahnki on Nov 14, 2007 3:14 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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Their conversion to the misplaced worship of young players is hilarious. They've taken to keenly watching their farm system in anticipation for what they assume will be their next batch of surefire HOF'ers.

They actually thought that Hughes/Ian Kennedy/[i] Miguel Cabrera[/i] was too much to pay for Santana, even with the stipulation that they get to sign him to a long term deal. Sillyness. There are some smart posters over there to be sure, but most of them are just grasping at young players out of desperation. That must be what their sportstalk radio shows were recommending.

[i]"Get back to the glory days, they way we always did it. By raising a new crop of [b]TRUE[/b] Yankees. We have some young players, ergo they are our next crop of SuperStars."[/i]

by KevinV on Nov 14, 2007 3:41 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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Yikes. I forgot my HTML in that post didn't I?

by KevinV on Nov 14, 2007 3:42 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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And I believe it's Melky Cabrera you meant to say.  Internet Yankee fans look at Melky as the second coming of Bernie.  Throw Melky into a deal, and any team will trade their star.

by nickjs21 on Nov 14, 2007 4:27 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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Yeah Melky, right. Just full of typos today.

You're right. Here is a typical NYY fan trade proposal"

Melky + "Non-Trinity" prospects = Santana

by KevinV on Nov 14, 2007 10:29 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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I, too, ventured over to OTM and read their post on the CY.  And other than a few homers, they concede that during the regular season CC was superior to Beckett.  Also, they speak of how Carmona should have gotten more votes, which is a valid point.  

The main thing about his winning is that this now does elevate his value even higher than originally forcasted.  Not to say that his stock wasn't already  through the roof, but this adds a little more fuel to the fire.  Being a CY winner has to be good for a few more mil per.  

Hope we can find a way to keep him.  

by joecardsfan on Nov 14, 2007 3:27 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

+1 on the class of OTM!
Hello Harry Doyle,

When I initially read some of the comments in this thread, I thought I would read a lot more "Beckett should have won," "Beckett got hosed," "CC sucks," etc. comments, but when I went to OTM, there were few to none of those comments - they presented some solid arguments both ways, a candid thought that they thought the race would be closer (as did I,) and gave CC (and Carmona) his due.

I thought it was classy and professional on their part - and I did not go to other forums or message boards, because I figured other places would not be so impartial and well-balanced to see both sides of the argument.

Of course, LGT provided that same impartial, well-balanced analysis as well - thanks Jay, Ryan, and LGTers.  :-)

Just my 2 cents.

May the Tribe be great in 2008! :-)

by indiansfan on Nov 14, 2007 7:03 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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Boston Globe had a good article on the Cy Young award. It featured a graphic showing 7 stats [w/l, era, so, innings, qual starts, k/bb, and opp. avg]. CC led in 5 of 7. Article focused on John Farrell's comments (obviously positive) and pointed out that the balloting occurs before the postseason. I mostly see classy fans around here who understand the sport pretty well.

by CaptainPenny on Nov 14, 2007 3:33 PM EST   0 recs

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Here's the difference.

When I visit Cleveland, about 3 times a year, I soak as much of the various sports as I can. I talk to cab drivers, friends, family members, people in the various bars all over Lakewood, etc....and the average sports fan I talk to generally has a respectful atittude towards sports in general, ackowledges the talent on other squads, knows the weaknesses within their own, etc. It's a pleasant conversation.

I live in New England, and meeting an intelligent Red Sox/Yankee fan is 1 in 100. Its not just the forums, its not just the people on the radio, but...

THE VAST majority of casual fans in this area are disrespectful, front-running, idiots. The guys over at OTM must have all the intelligent baseball fans in New England.

It's almost comical listening to WEEI, the local station; the hosts are extremely well grounded and enjoyable to listen to, and they spend most of the show arguing with their own callers and trying to reason with the folks. It's too bad, because I actually like listening to their opinions.

The point of the article was not recommend trolling on other message boards or picking fights, but it was my last straw....after the 4-5 cell phone messages of people calling my voicemail to GLOAT after the sox won game 7, i'm not swallowing my comments next year when the Indians break a stool off in the collective Sox *.

-Fin.

God truly does hate cleveland sports.

by Gradysmanldy on Nov 14, 2007 4:06 PM EST   0 recs

Re: If we see Boston again....
I agree with your sentiments about both Cleveland and Yankee/Red Sox fans. DC has a huge portion of Yankee/Red Sox fan transplants. The worst kind, since they barely ever even know when their team is playing. Just in my office I have four Sox "fans" and one Yankees fan. The Yanks fan and I had a respectful rivalry going during the ALDS that was fueled by meaninful baseball discussion. Three of the four Sox fans said nothing to me until the Monday after Game 7 of the ALCS. Two did not even know when/who the Sox were playing.

I realize this is anectdotal evidence/SSS, but this really seems to be the rule anymore rather than the exception.

Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on Nov 14, 2007 4:31 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: If we see Boston again....
My guess is that this has more to do with your perception than reality.  You think cleveland fans are nicer and more respectful because you are on the same side.  I imagine most teams have a wide spectrum of fans, going from nice and intelligent to belligerent idiots.  Maybe some fanbases are tilted more one way than the other, but I doubt it differs too much.  Redsox and Yankee fans are easy targets because they have boatloads of fans, so they probably have more belligerent idiots than others, but that's just because they have more fans.  

by ClarkM on Nov 14, 2007 7:36 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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Nope clark, Yankee fans are almost exclusively pendejos - almost exclusively.
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Nov 14, 2007 7:58 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: If we see Boston again....
Clark there is perception vs. reality problem. Scientifically speaking! Red Sox and Yankees Fans have a greater majority of Smug A-holes. Its science my friend, science.

by hans on Nov 14, 2007 10:48 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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