Twins close to landing Delmon Young
Sounds like this is pretty close to being official.
http://www.startribune.com/blogs/neal/?p=276
The key parts:
"The Twins and Tampa Bay Rays are close to finalizing a multi-player deal, according to several sources with knowledge of the discussions. The deal could be announced as soon as today.
The main pieces changning teams would be outfielder Delmon Young, the first overall pick in 2003, and righthander Matt Garza. But indications were strong on Wednesday that as many as six players could be involved.
In addition to Garza, the Twins would send Tampa Bay shortstop Jason Bartlett and reliever Juan Rincon for Young, shortstop Brendan Harris and outfielder Jason Pridie."
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by Turkmenbashi on Nov 28, 2007 4:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by Joe on Nov 28, 2007 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Brick. on Nov 28, 2007 5:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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Second, I think the fact that I've heard a lot of disagreement from a lot of different people as to who won the trade likely means it's a pretty fair trade.
Both teams look a lot better now. The Twins went from Cuddyer and Pray For Rain (wait, how does that work for hitters?) in the OF to Cuddyer, Young, and Pridie. The Rays suddenly have a formidable, young rotation with the addition of Garza. Sure, you can cherry pick either side, but I really feel like there's enough good that both teams will come out of it with.
Garza is a really, really good pitching prospect.
by nickjs21 on Nov 28, 2007 5:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Gradyforpresident on Nov 28, 2007 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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the main cogs though are dealt from a position of strength, hence why the deal was made and why it was good for both teams. i just think the total value favors the twins.
by Brick. on Nov 28, 2007 5:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Joe on Nov 28, 2007 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by nickjs21 on Nov 28, 2007 5:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Joe on Nov 28, 2007 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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With nothing else, TB has an outfield of Crawford, Baldelli (maybe), and now Gomes I suppose. There's still a lot of young pitching on that team that could be spun into a less valuable outfielder.
by nickjs21 on Nov 28, 2007 6:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by nickjs21 on Nov 28, 2007 5:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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Winner, Twins.
by Gradyforpresident on Nov 28, 2007 5:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by nickjs21 on Nov 28, 2007 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Gradyforpresident on Nov 28, 2007 5:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by nickjs21 on Nov 28, 2007 5:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Gradyforpresident on Nov 28, 2007 5:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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/Price Is Right losing music
by nickjs21 on Nov 28, 2007 5:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Gradyforpresident on Nov 28, 2007 5:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Gradyforpresident on Nov 28, 2007 5:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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No no, I didn't think you were coming down too hard (that's what-- nevermind).
by nickjs21 on Nov 28, 2007 5:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by ASP on Nov 28, 2007 5:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by Brick. on Nov 28, 2007 5:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by millionairesrow on Nov 28, 2007 5:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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Prediction - Hughes/Cabrera/Jackson for Santana
by crazymoloh on Nov 28, 2007 5:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by Gradyforpresident on Nov 28, 2007 5:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Brick. on Nov 28, 2007 5:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Gradyforpresident on Nov 28, 2007 5:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Brick. on Nov 28, 2007 6:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by crazymoloh on Nov 28, 2007 6:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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thanks for the exclamation point. now i know it's true.
that's up to Santana. they'd need to negotiate or that deal wouldn't happen, a big IF.
how is my assertion that they wouldn't make that trade for 1 year of service wrong? they won't.
by Brick. on Nov 28, 2007 6:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by crazymoloh on Nov 28, 2007 6:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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A trade for Santana nets you 1 year of Santana, and nothing more.
by kwoog on Nov 28, 2007 6:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by crazymoloh on Nov 28, 2007 6:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by kwoog on Nov 28, 2007 8:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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B) There only a handful of superstars in the game like Santana or Beckett or M-Cab. Of those handful of superstars, fewer still are on teams that can't lock them up. So there aren't going to be copious examples. Moreover, while it was more common for premier free agents to hit the market 5-10 years ago, revenue sharing monies have given some teams up to $30M a year and have given them the means to hold onto their talent longer. Can you name more than 2-3 players in a league close to Santana who made it to free agency (in their prime)?
by crazymoloh on Nov 28, 2007 8:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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I actually think Johan's is a very unique situation. Instead of limiting it, I was simply thinking of the "premiere" FAs who were a year or less rentals. Randy Johnson, Beltran, those "sweepstakes" kind of guys.
It seems to me that Santana is one season away from signing a record setting contract. As has been talked re: CC, that's probably not a lot of risk in his eyes. Thus, I think the only reason he would forgo the open market bidding war that will produce maximum dollars for himself is for comfort, ie re-sign with the only team for whom he's played.
However, I admit the year of exclusive rights has some value, if you're a rich team and can tell him, "name your price." If he does, you don't have to worry about another rich team swooping in. The problem is, why would he do that? The way this sport is going, he might think any price he could imagine would be underselling.
by kwoog on Nov 28, 2007 9:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by crazymoloh on Nov 28, 2007 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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Without specific reason to think otherwise -- such as the player and team both say that the basic framework of an extension has already been worked out -- trades executed without extensions already executed should be viewed as one-year rentals.
The one-year rental retention rate is probably better than the two-month rate, but I think you'd be surprised that it isn't all that much better.
I don't have specific numbers for you, but my guess is the retention rate for walk-year acquisitions is much lower, perhaps half, of the retention rate for players with a year or more already with that team.
by Jay on Nov 29, 2007 10:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by crazymoloh on Nov 29, 2007 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong here.
by Ohiokie on Nov 29, 2007 9:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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- may block trades to 3 clubs in 05, 8 in 06, 10 in 07 & 12 in 08
- full no-trade clause for 2007-08 with top 3 in CY vote in 06 or 07
But it doesn't necessarily follow that he wouldn't approve a trade to a more competitive team for one year. He probably wouldn't -- players don't like to uproot themselves all the time, and the Twins aren't totally hopeless -- but he might.
The fact that he's criticized the Twins' spending publicly -- something Sabathia doesn't do -- provides a hint. But of course the acquiring team would also have to go along with it.
The fact that we are even hearing significant Santana trade reports indicates that he has told them he will consider offers. That means either approving a trade rental scenario or being willing to forego free agency by extending with the acquiring team right now.
by Jay on Nov 29, 2007 9:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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It's not like the team that trades for him can discuss it with him prior to the trade, right?
by kwoog on Nov 29, 2007 10:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Jay on Nov 29, 2007 10:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by kwoog on Nov 29, 2007 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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My guess is that the big money teams tend to keep their rentals. The teams like the Astros, Rangers and the like do not. I don't see NYY, BOS, LAA or the NYM failing to pony up the requisite 6/140-150 after acquiring Santana in the trade.
by oxforddave on Nov 29, 2007 11:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by nickjs21 on Nov 29, 2007 10:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by crazymoloh on Nov 28, 2007 6:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by nickjs21 on Nov 28, 2007 6:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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Maybe Hughes/Tabata/Holmes/Jackson
by KevinV on Nov 28, 2007 7:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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But I know Shapiro is a more patient man than I.
by nickjs21 on Nov 28, 2007 6:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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Even if he doesn't develop into an elite hitter, I think that Delmon's glove/arm will go on to rank with the afformentioned greats.
It's an interesting trade, but I think the Rays just traded a guy who'll be among the best in the game in the next several years; a potential HOF player. He was the surest no.1 overall pick since ARod. I like Garza ok, but I'm a little more fearful of the Twins now than I was yesterday. Prediction: the Rays screwed up.
by homelytourist on Nov 28, 2007 6:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by E5 on Nov 28, 2007 7:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by nickjs21 on Nov 28, 2007 9:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Toxicadam on Nov 28, 2007 7:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by afh4 on Nov 28, 2007 7:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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Now if they can flip Santana for Hughes/IPK/(Tabata Holmes or Jackson) they have really made themselves scary for a the next 5 years.
Not to mention all the moves they could make with Nathan and Morneau. Heck if they trade away everyone else for young guys, they might have the cash to keep Santana. That would be some impressive GM'ing.
by KevinV on Nov 28, 2007 8:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by Brick. on Nov 28, 2007 9:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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But yes, it would appear the Rays are making moves.
by nickjs21 on Nov 28, 2007 9:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by nickjs21 on Nov 28, 2007 10:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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Healthy or not, Rincon wasn't a great bet to be worth what he was due in arbitration. Morlan, on the other hand, is one of the top five or 10 relief prospects in baseball. The 21-year-old had a 3.10 ERA and a 99/20 K/BB ratio in 69 2/3 innings at Single-A Fort Myers and Double-A New Britain last season.
by nickjs21 on Nov 28, 2007 10:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by Brick. on Nov 28, 2007 10:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by nickjs21 on Nov 28, 2007 10:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by NickFantana on Nov 29, 2007 9:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by scc2 on Nov 28, 2007 10:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by nickjs21 on Nov 28, 2007 10:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by scc2 on Nov 29, 2007 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by nickjs21 on Nov 29, 2007 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by nickjs21 on Nov 28, 2007 10:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by E5 on Nov 28, 2007 11:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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From the Tribe's perspective, nothing unexpected (Barton and Whitney).
by Pronktastic on Nov 28, 2007 11:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by E5 on Nov 28, 2007 11:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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I bet the A's would like Barton. Beane's kind of guy.
by nickjs21 on Nov 28, 2007 11:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by crazymoloh on Nov 28, 2007 11:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by nickjs21 on Nov 28, 2007 11:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by crazymoloh on Nov 28, 2007 11:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by nickjs21 on Nov 29, 2007 12:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by fwembt on Nov 29, 2007 12:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by nickjs21 on Nov 29, 2007 12:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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Holding onto him til the summer also leaves open the possibility that they can be very competitive this year and let him walk, not the worst decision in the world.
More than anything, I hope Bill Smith appreciates that the leverage he has over Hank Steinbrenner will only increase in force as time passes. Make the jackass sweat!
by NickFantana on Nov 29, 2007 10:11 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
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Gleeman doesn't really like it. If nothing else, I appreciate Gleeman because he formulates his own opinions, completely unswayed by perception.
He doesn't love Young, and he's about the only solid evaluator I can find who doesn't, and, perhaps more interestingly, he doesn't think Harris can play SS. So, his feeling is the Twins traded a potential number 1, a great relief prospect, and a SS, for a young hitter with not a ton of power or discipline, a 2B who hits like a SS, and a 4th OF.
He kind of has me convinced. Garza is way better than he gets credit for, I think.
by afh4 on Nov 29, 2007 11:44 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by nickjs21 on Nov 29, 2007 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by nickjs21 on Nov 29, 2007 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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It still depends on what you think of Garza, I guess. I'm looking at it this way: even if Garza is the best pitching prospect in the game, he's still just a pitching prospect. Delmon Young is already a very good OF option at the very worst, and a stable asset. And between Young's upside [HOF] and Garza's upside [no. 1 for x years], well...
Gleeman writes, "The package that the Twins received in return for Garza, Morlan, and Bartlett essentially means that Young must become a superstar for the trade to be successful." Garza could just as easily be a good or average pitcher, the most likely outcome, and the trade is a relative success for the Twins because they've addressed a paramount concren.
by homelytourist on Nov 29, 2007 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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Pitchers aren't allowed in the HOF anymore? If you can project Young's upside into Cooperstown with just a small sample of major league experience, I don't know how you could say Garza doesn't have the same chance to get there. He's actually been more successful in the majors, at least in my opinion.
It's kind of a silly matter to debate who has better HOF chances, but my point is that you can't just say one of them has the chance.
by nickjs21 on Nov 29, 2007 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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Garza, who just turned 24, is also nearly 2 years older (which is good timing--gets him out of the injury nexus).
Yeah, of course Garza could be a great player, but--honestly--who do you estimate is the better bet between the two?
I guess that HOF caliber pitchers come out of the early-warning prospect rankings more randomly. From what I've seen, OFs and position guys who lead these lists tend to excell more regularly than the young pitchers. Yeah, OF prospects also flop, but the prospect road is absolutely littered with Ben McDonalds and Mark Priors.
Am I being simple minded on this? I look at Young, who has so much more talent than his older brother (who still has had a nice career) and I see a Jermaine Dye-esque career as a semi-conservative projection. Then I look at Garza, and I see just another (probably) good pitcher whose career still could go so many different directions.
by homelytourist on Nov 29, 2007 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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I think Delmon's immaturity and general asshattedness will derail his major league career long before it pulls into HOF Station.
by Jackdaw on Nov 29, 2007 11:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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At the very least his brother should talk some sense into him.
by nickjs21 on Nov 29, 2007 11:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Jackdaw on Nov 29, 2007 11:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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I can't help but think there was some issue other than strict performance involved for the Rays to trade him. But the Twins new GM said they've been working on this for a month, getting feedback from people who know and play with him, so I guess they're satisfied in that regard. They certainly did a good job keeping this out of the rumor mill.
by mcrose on Nov 29, 2007 11:57 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by nickjs21 on Nov 29, 2007 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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For a deal like this that's been under discussion for a month and finally came to be after a lot of back and forth, it seems the pricipals did a great job of keeping it under the radar.
by mcrose on Nov 29, 2007 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by oxforddave on Nov 29, 2007 12:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by nickjs21 on Nov 29, 2007 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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I'm brilliant, I know. Please, stop applauding.
by ManchildinBeantown on Nov 29, 2007 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Pronktastic on Nov 29, 2007 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by nickjs21 on Nov 29, 2007 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Pronktastic on Nov 29, 2007 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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Wait, that wasn't Drennan, was it?
by ManchildinBeantown on Nov 29, 2007 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Pronktastic on Nov 29, 2007 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by nickjs21 on Nov 29, 2007 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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By the way, I'm prettier than he is. Not much, though.
by ManchildinBeantown on Nov 29, 2007 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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True story. A guy I work with kept e-mailing him approaching last year's trading deadline with "inside information" about trade rumors he'd heard involving the Indians. Of course he was making these all up. But because he told Bruce it was inside information, Bruce ended up reading about 90% of these on the air and, often enough, discussing them with callers. This went on every day for about two weeks. He has some of them on DVR.
Credible journalism, folks.
by nickjs21 on Nov 29, 2007 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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/joking
by JulioBernazard on Nov 29, 2007 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by JulioBernazard on Nov 29, 2007 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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In fact, we'd probably be short pitching after the hypothetical aforementioned trade.
I think Sonnanstine is valued pretty highly in Tampa, but this may have just been because at the time they didn't have a lot of options. I don't know. Just those trade wheels turning in my head.
by nickjs21 on Nov 29, 2007 8:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by hans on Nov 29, 2007 8:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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In the majors last year, Sonnanstine struck out 17.5% of batters faced, which is above the ML average of 15.88. His GB% was lower than the average (43.8) at 40. Both of these numbers looked better in the minors obviously. I don't know, I think he can have a pretty solid career ahead of him. Edwin Jackson was above average with groundballs and just percentage points lower in Ks, but I'd rather have Sonnanstine for whatever reason. Although Jackson would be cheaper.
Who knows. I'm just throwing it out there that trading for an impact corner OF (like a Milledge or a Bay) will leave our pitching depth a little short, and Shapiro is a big champion of pitching depth. I see a club with a lot of young arms with a need in the OF, and my gears start turning.
On a related note, USA Today says the Indians are shopping Lee and Dellucci. Lee we've known about, but has anyone else ever read confirmed reports about Dellucci? I just figured he wasn't that attractive.
by nickjs21 on Nov 29, 2007 9:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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i don't know, looks pretty dreamy. you tell me:

maybe it's just the puppy.
by Brick. on Nov 29, 2007 10:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by nickjs21 on Nov 29, 2007 10:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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I like where Nick is going with this - they now have an excess of good young starting pitching (we're talking about the Rays, believe it or not), and we might be able to dip into it.
by jakesinger777 on Nov 30, 2007 5:07 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
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That's pretty potent, even if there rest of the lineup is made up of guys like Jason Tyner.
by jakesinger777 on Nov 30, 2007 5:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by jakesinger777 on Nov 30, 2007 6:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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Hunter has a career 790 OPS.
I wouldn't be so sure that 2008 Delmon is worse than 2008 Hunter.
by gte619n on Nov 30, 2007 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by nickjs21 on Nov 30, 2007 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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Basically: 2008 Delmon's performance probably won't exceed 2007 Hunter's, therefore the offense for right now will not see any significant upgrade.
by nickjs21 on Nov 30, 2007 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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And of course, they had to give up Garza, and downgrade defensively at shortstop, in order to get that upgrade. Both sacrifices represent a step back not just long term, but for this season. Garza is not a prospect, he's a big-league pitcher, with every reason to expect above-average production in 2008.
(And by the way, if we'd had Morlan and traded him, we'd all be screaming about it.)
Given the Twins relative depth in different areas, this is a good trade for them long-term, even if they did overpay a bit. But this is not an upgrade for 2008, even after considering relative depth.
by Jay on Nov 30, 2007 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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.357/.413/.409 against the Indians lifetime.
by painaxl on Nov 30, 2007 7:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Jay on Nov 30, 2007 12:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by nickjs21 on Nov 30, 2007 10:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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They were the 12th best (3rd worst) in the AL last year, and they have not been upgraded.
- Young will not likely improve on Hunter's career year (and is a step down on defense).
- Morneau is only a Konerko, not a Thome. His career slugging is only .498, .492 last season, and only .504 in his best season. His career OBP is an entirely un-scary .340.
- Cuddyer, with the sub-800 OPS? Seriously?
Not scary.
by Jay on Nov 30, 2007 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by E5 on Nov 30, 2007 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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I have the New York Times here in front of me, I need an eight-letter word that starts with an "S", hint is "ragged wreck"
Any thoughts?
by NickFantana on Nov 30, 2007 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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I'm not sure I agree with you on this, and I'm not sure I disagree with you - I've seen Hunter play a lot more than I've seen Delmon play. I guess we'll get our chance, eh?
by jakesinger777 on Dec 1, 2007 8:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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Anyway, as with the hitting, I'll give Hunter a small edge to outperform Young on defense ... at least for one more year.
by Jay on Dec 3, 2007 2:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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