Marte to the Giants?
from rotoworld via San Jose Mercury News
The San Jose Mercury News believes Andy Marte is a "strong possibility" to join the Giants as a candidate to start at third.
Marte, who is out of options, is believed to be available in trade talks. He's the kind of youngster the Giants should be looking to gamble on in a year in which they'll have little chance of contending.
Source: San Jose Mercury News
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by Joe on Nov 30, 2007 3:03 PM EST reply actions
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Wonder if this is any indication that the FO is actually considering moving Peralta to 3B. I mean, that is if this rumor has any truth to it.
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by Joe on Nov 30, 2007 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
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Although it does seem like a fit. I'm sure Shapiro would explore the possibility. Flexability is something Shapiro seems to value alot, and Marte without options and without an overwhelming performance in the past two years in AAA and ML certainly doesn't offer us that.
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The Indians have a habit of keeping their prospects in the minors a tad too long.
- Garko put together a good AAA campaign in 2005, but they sent him back to Buffalo in 2006 and his production declined.
- Brandon Phillips put together a good season in AAA in 2004, but was sent back there in 2005 for no good reason and his production dropped like Garko's.
- Andy Marte graduated AAA in the IL in 2005. He gets traded to the Indians but goes back to Buffalo in 2006 and his production drops like the aforementioned prospects. Then he gets a late season call up and 57AB try out in 2007?
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Blake (3B) & Dellucci (LF) vs. RHP
Blake (LF) & Marte (3B) vs. LHP
Move Michaels for some reliever or use him as a throw-in on a deal.
by The DiaTriber on Nov 30, 2007 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
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I think we overvalue Michaels. He was relatively unknown when we got him by the Phils, but he is "exposed" at this point.
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2006 proved that the prevailing notion that he is best suited for a platoon role was correct.
A number of teams would take Michaels as a 4th OF/RH Platoon at his salary, particularly in the NL.
Blake's versatility is what would allow this to happen and give Dellucci and Marte a chance to start off the season well facing only pitchers whom they have succeeded against. If one of them thrives (please make it Marte), then Blake becomes more of the Super Utility player that most feel he is best suited for and can bounce around the field.
by The DiaTriber on Dec 1, 2007 8:33 AM EST up reply actions
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by fleerdon on Dec 1, 2007 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
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The hope would be that Marte (to borrow a Shapiroism) "forces the Indians' hand" and becomes the full-time 3B and that one of the young players (like Francisco or Brown) or an acquired young OF (like Quentin, Gonzalez, or Gomez) can establish themselves in LF while not being burdened with the expectations right out of Winter Haven.
I think that Blake will start the season as a full-time player, but will be relegated to the super-utility role that most of us feel he is best-suited for as the younger players establish themselves as viable options as the year progresses.
by The DiaTriber on Dec 2, 2007 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
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If he were a lefty, where he'd start four or five times a week rather than two or three, then maybe I could see it as balancing the team's need for optimal production with the player's need to get into a rhythm and develop. (The Indians, that said, expressed reluctance to take exactly that approach with the lefty Choo.)
But with a righty? No. All you'll do is have him making all his big-league adjustments against lefties. A third baseman earns his keep hitting against righties, or not at all.
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I can't see them handing Marte the 3B job again out of ST (as much as I'd like to see that happen). The suggestion was an attempt at a happy medium to keep Marte in the lineup at least a few games a week, against LHP whom he has historically hit. If he's a slow starter, what's the harm in allowing him to build up his confidence in MLB against LHP and move into the everyday lineup come June?
Again, as much as I'd like to see him in the lineup every day starting in March, the convoluted platoon idea is simply a way to keep him on the team and getting SOME AB.
by The DiaTriber on Dec 3, 2007 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
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Ironically, they traded Phillips in part on the premise that he wouldn't be well suited to a bench role -- a premise that in retrospect was almost certainly false as it turned out. Now they've got a very similar situation, minus the attitude perhaps, and the guy legitimately would make a lousy bench player.
by Jay on Dec 3, 2007 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
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You say Marte is the "odd man out," but as a strategic matter, the most valuable asset of the bunch -- even after factoring in risk -- cannot be the odd man out. One would hope they learned that lesson a few years ago.
Why do I say Marte is the most valuable? Because we don't really know how any of these guys will perform -- Marte's viability is only slightly more in doubt than Dellucci's or even Blake's -- and Marte is under control for five years at reasonable dollars. Michaels is cheap for one year, Blake won't be cheap for one year, and Dellucci is a dubious value at best for two years. (One wonders if we shouldn't just put Dellucci on irrevocable waivers, assuming Choo is healthy, someone with a need might just take him at that salary.) In any event, Marte is as projectable in 2009 as any of them, and he's cheap for three years and reasonable for two more after that.
You point out that something has to happen in order for Marte to get playing time. I say, something has to happen anyway, because we can't carry all four guys on the roster (not to mention that having Francisco and Snyder as 6th and 7th outfielders in Buffalo is just not a sensible use of 40-man spots). But back to the main point: We only have three bench spots outside of the backup catcher, and those three spots will not be going to Choo, Michaels and Marte. So someone or -ones are going to be traded, even if only for a bag of balls.
by Jay on Dec 3, 2007 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
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by Jay on Dec 3, 2007 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
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I'd be thrilled if Marte was handed the 3B job out of the gate, but it just isn't going to happen unless one (or more) of these players are moved to create the opportunity.
I suppose the platoon idea was an attempt to balance my wishes and reality.
And I do agree that this will probably sort itself out, I just hope that Marte is not the one sorted out.
by The DiaTriber on Dec 3, 2007 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
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I also think the Tribe plays it too tight It's interesting, though, that they let Cabrera fly through the system. . . . And look at the results.
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- Asdrubal rocketed up because Barfield was probably the worst regular player in all of baseball.
- Carmona was ticketed for Buffalo and only made it up because of a combination of an injury to Lee, Sowers posting a 6.00+ ERA and an injury to Westbrook.
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You can make an argument about Garko, by saying that they shouldn't have brought back Broussard in 2006, and I think you would hit the nail on the head so to speak, but its not that they want to keep these players down there, but rather I believe they value depth at position, and are willing to bet that taking the risk on a known commodity (with rookie in tow) vs. rookie getting all the playing time without a safety plan (see B.Phillips in 2003) is a better way to compete. And the word compete is important because in 2005 they made a run that almost netted the a playoff berth, this changes things. You can't afford to risk playing rookies that could fall flat on their faces and leave you in a desperate position (what if Garko failed, what if Marte fails this year) without a "plan b" when competing for the division crown.
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Yes. I remember the season vividly. But he was coming up after a good half season in AAA. Again, I'm actually fine with that. He failed in audition #1. They send him back, presumably to work on his hitting and he appears to show good improvement by cutting his K-rate and boosting his walk rate. He did what they asked him to do and the Indians responded by keeping him in AAA. At least trade him to get some value.
They were coming off an 80-win season. Its a little much to say that they knew a 90-win season was in the offing. And yes, I'm saying they should have jettisoned Belliard. It wasn't like he was entering the 2005 season with an OPS higher than .800 either.
If you're the Indians, you got get comfortable with rebuilding on the run. Known commodity is great and all, but almost no player is a lock to succeed in the majors on the first. You suck it up and deal with and create a situation to ease them in (Gutierrez, Peralta). You don't ship them back to Buffalo. If the Indians had been competitive in 2006, I don't think Garko would have been called up.
I'm sorry. They screwed up with all three of those guys. Well, with Marte, I think the were willing to let him develop slowly in the majors but Barfield decided, unexpectedly, to stink up the joint, creating another black hole in the lineup.
I don't blame them for Guthrie. The kid never looked good enough to merit a spot on the rotation.
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At any rate, it seems wise to unload Cain and Linecum while their value is high, because the team is not going to compete anyway.
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And plus, how marketable would BenFran's name be in that city?
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C - Shoppach
1B - Brown/Mulhern
2B - Barfield
3B - Marte
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Position - Name - 2008 Age - 2007 OPS
C - Bengie Molina - 33 - .731
1B - Ryan Klesko - 37 - .745
2B - Ray Durham - 36 - .638
SS - Omar Vizquel - 41 - .621
3B - Pedro Feliz - 33 - .708
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by Gradyforpresident on Nov 30, 2007 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
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Sabean's stupid, but he at the very least realizes he would put his life on the line by dealing Lincecum.
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by E5 on Nov 30, 2007 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
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by supermarioelia on Nov 30, 2007 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
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