Trading Partners
Jason Bay has been mentioned as a trade target a bunch of times here. Is it just me, or should we be worried about trading with the Pirates with Huntington as their GM? Not worried like "they will take advantage of us" way. But since he will know a lot about our system and prospects, the chances of the trading partner picking off a great prospect become more likely. I know that you trade to fill your own needs, but it is nice to "win" a trade as well, right?
Really, I'd like to restrict all future trades to Seattle.
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- Top shelf pitching prospects/players (who can also stay healthy).
- Right handed power hitters.
- Big league caliber position players (Peralta and Cabrera at SS / Blake and Marte at 3B / Francisco, Choo, Michaels, Dellucci and Gutierrez in OF).
- #4 and #5 type starters (Laffey, Lee, Sowers, Westbrook and Byrd)
by crazymoloh on Nov 5, 2007 12:57 PM EST 0 recs
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- They have next to nothing in terms of quality position players.
- They have two young stud pitchers (Cain and Lincecum) who are going to waste their non-arbitration years pitching for a team with zero offense.
- They have top shelf prospects in the pipeline, but could use a little pitching depth immediately.
- They apparently have issues with their young position players and might look to unload Kemp who projects as a power hitting OF.
- Need pitching behind Billingsley, Lowe and Penny. Wolf and Schmidt are huge injury concerns.
by crazymoloh on
Nov 5, 2007 1:05 PM EST
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by world dictator on
Nov 5, 2007 5:33 PM EST
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Teams have trouble enough facing the reality that they won't contend in the next two or three years, e.g., that the Orioles should trade not only Tejada, but Roberts and Bedard and Mora as well. And Bay for the Pirates of course.
But a guy with six more years under control? No way.
by Jay on
Nov 5, 2007 7:24 PM EST
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Take that with a 500 lbs. grain of salt.
by crazymoloh on
Nov 5, 2007 7:28 PM EST
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Looks like they want a powerbat or a stud outfielder (though i assume they'd prefer the same)
by world dictator on
Nov 5, 2007 9:10 PM EST
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Think Barfield-Kouzmanoff and I think that's the kind of trade the Tribe will pursue.
The Indians could deal from a strength (SP, depth in ML-ready players) to bolster a weakness (RP depth, stud LF) while not compromising the roster.
by The DiaTriber on
Nov 5, 2007 9:51 PM EST
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I'd love to dream that Quentin would be available for Lee+crap (the favorite trade scenario here), but we have a lot of young pitching to offer.
by nickjs21 on
Nov 5, 2007 10:58 PM EST
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They have a great infield and issues everywhere else. (and they made the playoffs, way to go NL!)
They have a problem recognizing talent. See Thome signing and Ryan Howard's record setting year in the Minors.
Do not trade for Pat the bat, in fact, do not trade for anyone in a Philly uniform unless it is a yet undiscovered (by Philly management) prospect.
by 94neverout on Nov 5, 2007 4:21 PM EST 0 recs
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Thome was signed at the end of 2002. Howard had just completed a solid but unimpressive season (836 OPS) in Low-A -- at age 22, no less. Had he put up those same numbers two levels higher, in Double-A, then you might have a point. Not a great point, but at least a reasonable one.
Howard was only a fifth-round pick, not some super-pedigreed guy, and he never did anything eye-catching in the minors until 2004, still in Double-A, when Thome was already in the second year of his deal. Don't forget that the Phillies also were looking to make a big splash moving into their new ballpark.
The Phillies have done tons of things wrong this decade, but no team would have worried about blocking Howard back in 2002.
by Jay on
Nov 5, 2007 7:30 PM EST
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by hans on
Nov 5, 2007 9:23 PM EST
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Instead, I'm going to be lazy again and say the Phillies have nothing we want. They are not a good trade partner.
Pat Burrell's name has come up. Please for the love of all things sacred, do not trade for Pat Burrell. He is the most frustrating play to watch ever. He doesn't want to leave Philly. He strikes out way too much.
by 94neverout on
Nov 6, 2007 8:33 AM EST
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by nickjs21 on
Nov 6, 2007 9:09 AM EST
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Nov 6, 2007 11:06 AM EST
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by talonk on
Nov 6, 2007 11:12 AM EST
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by world dictator on Nov 5, 2007 5:36 PM EST 0 recs
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We could obviously put together a good package for him, but I just don't see the deal as a "Shapiro move" since Miggy is expensive and only under control through 2009. You're talking about Jhonny/Droob, Garko/FGutz, Miller, and probably a fourth player (Laffey?) to get the deal done. IMO, it's too much to pay since he's not really a long-term solution (consider me pessimistic about our chances of signing him to a long-term deal).
by Kos on
Nov 5, 2007 6:40 PM EST
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by world dictator on
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by crazymoloh on
Nov 5, 2007 6:48 PM EST
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by ClarkM on
Nov 5, 2007 7:09 PM EST
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by world dictator on
Nov 5, 2007 7:13 PM EST
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Can we write something into Marte's contract where he gets $10,000 for every outside pitch he drills to right field? This would probably cost us a few hundred thousand dollars, but it could be worth it in the long run. How about $5,000 for every walk as well?
by crazymoloh on
Nov 5, 2007 7:23 PM EST
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by crazymoloh on
Nov 5, 2007 7:26 PM EST
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Hafner '07?
by mauichuck on
Nov 5, 2007 7:35 PM EST
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I'm wondering if pitchers have just figured out that they can keep pitching Hafner away without consequence? The one nice thing about Thome was that he could drill the ball down and away. Kept pitchers honest. Maybe Haf will figure this out.
Could also be that his first year as a married man wore him down! Hopefully next year he starts taking those pennies out of the jar.
by crazymoloh on
Nov 5, 2007 7:39 PM EST
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by hans on
Nov 5, 2007 8:42 PM EST
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by crazymoloh on
Nov 5, 2007 6:50 PM EST
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by crazymoloh on
Nov 5, 2007 6:56 PM EST
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by Jay on
Nov 5, 2007 7:32 PM EST
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Miller being hurt, Sowers being down and Lee tanking would be normal. But collectively Carmona, Perez, Laffey and Lewis's sudden rise is pretty extraordinary.
by mauichuck on
Nov 5, 2007 7:45 PM EST
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by gahnki on Nov 5, 2007 8:34 PM EST 0 recs
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Not sure how reliable this guy is, but he seems certain we are looking for a power hitting left fielder.
by gahnki on Nov 5, 2007 8:58 PM EST 0 recs
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by world dictator on
Nov 6, 2007 3:52 AM EST
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Nov 6, 2007 9:07 AM EST
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by dgcambridge on Nov 5, 2007 9:05 PM EST 0 recs
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by stuart dean on
Nov 6, 2007 8:32 AM EST
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by stuart dean on Nov 6, 2007 8:31 AM EST 0 recs
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by nickjs21 on Nov 6, 2007 9:23 AM EST 0 recs
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Bravo!
by talonk on
Nov 6, 2007 11:11 AM EST
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by E5 on
Nov 6, 2007 11:17 AM EST
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The Indians bid, and lost, on Iwamura. Scroll down here.
by dgcambridge on
Nov 6, 2007 11:30 AM EST
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1. I never said that the trade should or would be completed. I like the fact that somebody is looking at different alternatioves then the same recycled BS we alsways see.
I said this is first decent rationale for looking for another player I've seen. The love affair for Bay, Crawford, etc. is very tiresome.
2. We did bid for him, TB just bid more. Since it was a blind bid, we had no way of knowing how far off we were. TB needs prospects. We have prospects. It could work, but more than likely not.
Take a chill pill.
by talonk on
Nov 6, 2007 11:35 AM EST
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It's the absurdity that's so unique and wonderful .
by mauichuck on
Nov 6, 2007 12:01 PM EST
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by nickjs21 on
Nov 6, 2007 12:13 PM EST
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Nov 6, 2007 12:43 PM EST
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by cheech99 on
Nov 6, 2007 5:44 PM EST
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by jakesinger777 on
Nov 6, 2007 5:18 PM EST
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"Ibañez, who has produced 228 RBI in the past two seasons, has one year left on his Mariners deal that pays him $5.5 million in 2008.
"Everybody is interested in Raul," one Mariners executive said. "He's a productive hitter, a good clubhouse guy and has a fair contract."
The Chicago Cubs, Detroit Tigers and Cleveland Indians, among others, each put Ibañez on a short list of targeted players this offseason.
In return, those teams can offer young pitching - the Indians have mentioned right-hander Aaron Laffey."
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http://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/mariners/story/196634.html
Not sure of the accuracy of this, especially considering Laffey isn't a right-hander.
by wooglin on Nov 6, 2007 1:11 PM EST 0 recs
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by woodsmeister on
Nov 6, 2007 1:49 PM EST
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I'd much rather get a player like Matt Murton or Carlos Quentin, a decade younger than Ibanez. Then again, Seattle is easy to deal with.
Just off the top of my head, no Laffey.
by nickjs21 on
Nov 6, 2007 1:58 PM EST
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by world dictator on
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Nov 6, 2007 2:26 PM EST
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by nickjs21 on
Nov 6, 2007 2:33 PM EST
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by E5 on
Nov 6, 2007 2:38 PM EST
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by nickjs21 on
Nov 6, 2007 2:55 PM EST
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"If one or two guys have great seasons, we will win the divison ..."
Because those types of statements can always be construed as right or wrong.
Be a man, and make a solid pediction. That way we can actually determine whether you are always right. You remind me of ghost from the ESPN boards, another total blowhard, who even when he is wrong (and proven to be so), demands that he never said such a thing.
by talonk on
Nov 6, 2007 3:21 PM EST
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by mauichuck on
Nov 6, 2007 5:25 PM EST
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Jeez. You just keep getting better.
by Gradyforpresident on
Nov 6, 2007 6:11 PM EST
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by E5 on
Nov 6, 2007 6:15 PM EST
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by mauichuck on
Nov 6, 2007 6:52 PM EST
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But IIRC one who first entertained the idea was this dude Chuck, who sadly gets no credit for his prescience.
by homelytourist on
Nov 6, 2007 7:44 PM EST
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by E5 on
Nov 6, 2007 8:20 PM EST
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You are the man, Lofton to left bats 6-8, humm you are clearly more clairvoyant then me on this one.
by E5 on
Nov 6, 2007 8:40 PM EST
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I am saying that everyone I've ever met who said things like this was a complete idiot.
Let your ideas stand on their on merit.
by Jay on
Nov 6, 2007 7:00 PM EST
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