Landing Danny Haren.
Media outlets continue to report that the A's are shopping Haren and want a similar package of players to the one demanded by the Twins for Santana. So, we're out of it, right?
Haren is under contract for the next three years for a total of $16.25 million. Wow.
So while we know that Boston or the Yankees will get Santana, why not try to add an excellent pitcher with a truly excellent contract?
Would you trade Adam Miller, Trevor Crowe, and Paul Byrd -- while eating half of Byrd's 2008 contract? I'm starting on the extreme end here.
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by tabler84 on Dec 2, 2007 12:03 PM EST 0 recs
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by jakesinger777 on Dec 2, 2007 12:33 PM EST 0 recs
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Haren will cost something similar to Santana. He's cheaper, under control longer and his performance in 2007 puts him maybe a notch or two below Santana.
by crazymoloh on
Dec 2, 2007 1:12 PM EST
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by CU Adam on Dec 2, 2007 2:16 PM EST 0 recs
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by Turkmenbashi on Dec 2, 2007 2:25 PM EST 0 recs
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by Gradyforpresident on
Dec 2, 2007 2:29 PM EST
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Our rotation would be:
Sabathia
Carmona
Haren
Westbrook
Laffey
by Joe on
Dec 2, 2007 2:43 PM EST
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Dec 2, 2007 2:52 PM EST
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by Joe on
Dec 2, 2007 3:04 PM EST
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by Nat on
Dec 3, 2007 7:43 AM EST
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by Turkmenbashi on
Dec 2, 2007 3:20 PM EST
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You wouldn't take Haren (@ 3 years $15M) for Byrd, Miller and Crowe????
I don't see Oakland liking the deal.
by crazymoloh on
Dec 2, 2007 3:24 PM EST
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Dec 2, 2007 3:50 PM EST
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by crazymoloh on
Dec 2, 2007 4:37 PM EST
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And I think it's painfully obvious that the only reason you would trade a 27 year old SP with the world's greatest contract is because you're rebuilding. So how does a 37-year-old under contract for less years + more money makes this deal favorable for the A's?
If I'm Beane, I'm starting at Miller, Frankie, and Lofgren. Shapiro would laugh in my face, but that's where I start.
by nickjs21 on
Dec 2, 2007 6:59 PM EST
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Basically the guy over at the A's blog after looking at some of the past Beane deals (and other teams deals) boils it down to accepting/settling on the following:
1 AAA/Grade A-B+ (or equivalent) prospect, 2-3 Low-A/Grade A prospect, 1 AAA/Grade C+ (or equivalent) prospect.
Miller would be AAA high end prospect, Kiko Calero was the player he referred to (he of the Mark Mulder trade) in regards to an example of the Grade C+ AAA prospect, who that would be from our system I don't know, nor really care about. And probably a guy like Wergalez and one/two of our low A ball high end starting pitching prospects.
Until there is an actual deal for Santana I'll take the offers we hear with grain of salt, although a bidding war between the Sux and Skanks can certainly lead to a the winning team giving up more value than they are receiving. Can Beane pull off the type of trade you are stating (two high end starting pitchers) from a team like Bos or Ny or LAD, possibly, but its a little unlikely. Even in all the Santana talk its not that the Yanks have to give up Hughes /and
by hans on
Dec 2, 2007 8:05 PM EST
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by hans on
Dec 2, 2007 8:07 PM EST
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My overall point is that Byrd is probably a non-factor except as a throw-in, and unless we pay most of the contract. He'd be an expensive placeholder on a rebuilder otherwise. I think Beane would shoot for youth and years under control.
by nickjs21 on
Dec 2, 2007 8:10 PM EST
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Yeah definitely youth and years under control. But I think some of the other coveted pieces (besides Miller of course) would actually be A ball players with high upside).
by hans on
Dec 2, 2007 8:26 PM EST
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I can see Beane asking for Weglarz, absolutely.
by nickjs21 on
Dec 2, 2007 8:39 PM EST
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by hans on
Dec 2, 2007 9:08 PM EST
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Miller, Marte (would they move Chavez?), and Crowe. I'd do that deal in a second as well.
by hans on Dec 2, 2007 3:08 PM EST 0 recs
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The offer starts with Miller and FGutz, and I don't think there's really any chance at a match.
by Kos on Dec 2, 2007 8:54 PM EST 0 recs
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Dec 2, 2007 9:51 PM EST
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by nickjs21 on
Dec 3, 2007 1:01 AM EST
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The Indians take it because Haren is a #1 starter (though not always an ace) with a great contract attached. Immensely valuable. He's absolutely worth trading Miller for, and Crowe and Byrd are small potatoes by comparison.
The Athletics don't take it because what do they want with Paul Byrd anyway? Unless they're flipping him and it's a three-way deal. If that's what they have in mind, I don't know why we're eating any salary -- it's not like he's overpaid at $8 million -- but we'd still do it.
GFP, I don't know what's in your corn flakes today, but who gives a crap if we "feel" like it's "the sort of" package Shapiro would offer? Agreeing with 'moloh ... they're smart enough to take the layup when it's offered, and this is a layup.
Also agreeing with Joe that depth is not an issue -- this trade leaves us fully seven starters deep to start the season, with more on the way. How many teams have a Lee, a Sowers and a Laffey competing for the fifth spot? Possibly none.
Anyway, since Byrd won't get it done, we probably have to throw in two other guys -- that is, one real prospect plus their old boyfriend Goleski. Unfortunately, Beane probably won't have much interest in Barfield. Drennen? Weglarz? Marte?
by Jay on Dec 2, 2007 10:37 PM EST 0 recs
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by Joe on
Dec 2, 2007 10:49 PM EST
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If I'm Beane, I try to get another pitcher in there instead of Crowe. Maybe this is just me, but if I'm rebuilding by trading away an ace I want more than one arm in return.
by nickjs21 on
Dec 2, 2007 10:53 PM EST
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by E5 on
Dec 2, 2007 10:56 PM EST
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Don't you think Beane would like Barton as well? He's unprotected, but he would likely go too early for Oakland.
by nickjs21 on
Dec 2, 2007 10:51 PM EST
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e.g. "What a moon shot Victor just launched. Weglarz."
by fleerdon on
Dec 3, 2007 1:11 PM EST
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Dec 3, 2007 1:13 PM EST
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by Gradyforpresident on
Dec 3, 2007 2:15 PM EST
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Dec 3, 2007 2:20 PM EST
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by Jay on
Dec 3, 2007 3:49 PM EST
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"Scrotum" jokes honorably excepted.
by fleerdon on
Dec 3, 2007 5:21 PM EST
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by Gradyforpresident on
Dec 3, 2007 12:01 PM EST
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/enddream
by ASP on Dec 3, 2007 10:17 AM EST 0 recs
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Dec 3, 2007 12:02 PM EST
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by Pronk33 on
Dec 3, 2007 2:11 PM EST
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I think that if the Sox end up getting Santana that the Yanks will be forced to go out and get Haren or someone similar. I don't think the inverse is true in that the Sox are generally more confident in their staff.
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Dec 3, 2007 2:19 PM EST
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