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Most disliked team?

Reading about Scott Podsednik's fielding folly in the diary below and more specifically the comments that others have made got me thinking (dangerous, I know).  I'm just curious which team the majority of us dislike the most.

We obviously don't have a dominating rivalry of the Yankees/Red Sox, Steelers/Browns, or Michigan/Ohio State caliber. For all pragamatic purposes, I suppose our "rival" should be either all the other AL Central teams, or simply the best team, but I know I'm not always that calculating.

I know that, whether its rational or not, I absolutely despise the White Sox.  Whether it's AJ Pierzynski, their friggin announcers, Ozzie Guillen, or just the chip on their shoulder that they have by "not being Cubs fans", I don't know.

Anyway, I was just curious what other people's opinions were.

Poll
Which team do you despise the most?
White Sox
75 votes
Twins
5 votes
Tigers
4 votes
Yankees
58 votes
Red Sox
11 votes
Braves
1 votes
Padres
0 votes
All AL Central teams
1 votes
Other
3 votes

158 votes | Poll has closed

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Re: Most disliked team?
It used to be the Yankees but, thanks to the efforts of Hawk and Ozzie, I now completely loathe everything White Sox. Just thinking about them makes me angry.
Wait 'til next year... or something like that

by fwembt on Apr 12, 2007 9:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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My sentiments exactly. I still hate the Yankees but find the W. Sox much more despicable. I'm not crazy about the Tigers either but I have never been able to develop much animosity regarding the Twins. I've been growing less and less fond of the Bosox since they starting impersonating the Yankees.

by exileincincy on Apr 12, 2007 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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For me, it is still the Yankees.  I wear my Pronk teeshirt, uni and Tribe cap when I visit my daughter in NYC even if they aren't playing Cleveland. :)
IndianInkSlinger

by sdtribefan on Apr 12, 2007 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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I hate the Cubs because of the hard-luck story that has been shoved in our face.  I am certain that most Chicago sports-fans have covered their Cubs losses with the Michael Jordan led Bulls and even the Bears have won a Super Bowl in my lifetime.

Tribe fans can't really cover their losses with the success of the Browns and Cavs, because in my lifetime, there haven't been any.

Red Sox, for obvious and similar reasons, are also hated.

by Cory Snyder on Apr 12, 2007 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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How'd the Pods get on here? Just curious.

by JulioBernazard on Apr 12, 2007 10:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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Seriously, where are the Marlins?

by Jay on Apr 12, 2007 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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I guess I put the Marlins and the Braves in the same category in my head (beating us in the WS), and I have a more serious disdain for the Braves.  I'm not sure if that's because the Braves were better for longer, or because the Marlins generally have a lower attendance than we draw in Milwaukee (I know that's not entirely fair due to ticket prices....but true nonetheless).  I tried to add them to the poll, but it won't add.  I guess if the Marlins are truly the team you dislike the most, vote "Other" and then point that out in the comments section.

by Nat on Apr 12, 2007 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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I threw the Padres on there just to see if anyone would actually choose them.  

by Nat on Apr 12, 2007 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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I don't like them because of their announcers and manager.

It is really hard to watch the Indians in South Carolina, and when they are on WGN it is painful to watch because of the White Sox announcers.

I generally like the rest of the teams in the Central.  The Tigers went to the World Series very humbly last year, the Twins are entertaining, and you can't help but root for the Royals to have a winning year.

Walt

by curly1229 on Apr 12, 2007 10:22 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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I am a teacher and when a child wears a Yankee cap to school as a fan or as Little Leaguer, I tell them that I hate the Yankees, and that I am an Indians fan.  The Red Sox are next, as they have become Junior Yankees.

by LAIndianfan on Apr 12, 2007 10:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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I went to college in Boston hence my dislike for the Red Sox. If I had to choose a division rival it would be the White Sox, but that changes with the players. I really disliked the Twins back when Mientkiewicz had that ongoing feud with the Tribe in particular Robbie Alomar I think.

by Roger Dorn on Apr 12, 2007 10:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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I really, really just despise the White Sox, but I'm fairly sure that it's the unholy combination of A.J. Pierzynski, Ozzie Guillen, and Hawk & DJ, there. I mean, I could maybe still like a team that had one of those, but all of them? It's kind of hard to stomach. I'm pretty sure when all that's over, I won't be nearly as cranky about the White Sox and will go back to my original Yankee-hatin'.

I'm oddly fond of most of the rest of the AL Central. I mean, I want them all to lose, but in the nicest way possible! But maybe it's just that I'm far enough to northwest Ohio that I just know too many Tigers fans, and I hang out with Twins fans too much on the internet, and hating the Royals is kind of like kicking a puppy.

by AngG on Apr 12, 2007 10:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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As much as I do hate the WhiteSox, the Yankees still take the cake with me. Just imagine how many more pennants the Tribe would have had (through 1960 or so), if the Yankees hadn't been so darn good. We must have finished 2nd at least 6 or 7 times to them.

Not to mention that 4 out of 6 years stretch in the late 90s. I was more happy when Arizona beat them than I can describe. It ALWAYS feels good to see them lose. It doesn't matter to whom.

by talonk on Apr 12, 2007 10:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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The White Sox and Red Sox both make me want to vomit. I can't possibly choose among them.

I, unlike almost everyone else I know, don't find the Yankees nearly as detestable. I feel their honest about what they're doing-trying to buy championships. They don't drape it anything else and, if that's how the system is, I don't fault them for playing that game.

by afh4 on Apr 12, 2007 11:01 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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Totally agree with this reasoning.  The Red Sox spend a ton and then put on a "woe is me" routine.  It's annoying.

by notsince48 on Apr 12, 2007 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Hating the Yankees is just a given in my life. Cheering for the Yankees is like rooting against Luke Skywalker.

We seem to be creating a rule here, though: the team you hate the most is the one in which you have the greatest hatred for the both the organization AND the fans. The BoSox win this one hands down. Don't even get me started.

by fleerdon on Apr 12, 2007 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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My dislike for the Yankees is less that I despise the actual team/franchise, and more that I absolutely can't stand Yankees fans.  I feel like they're all so smug and condescending.  I hate how the fans feel like they're better than you because of the history of the franchise and because their team spends approximately $1 billion due to a larger market area.  I honestly am not sure if I really like any Yankee fans.  I mean, I have friends who are fans of lots of different teams, but I feel like it is a definite show of character to be a Yankees fan.  Not that I don't like someone simply because they are a Yankee fan, but more that all the people I meet that are Yankee fans tend to not be people that I want to spend time with.  Of all the New Yorkers that I am friends with, every one is a Mets fan.  Obviously this is a gross stereotype and I'm sure there are plenty of nice Yankees fans out there, but seriously, how could you root for them?

by Nat on Apr 12, 2007 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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I hear this a lot and I have no doubt it's true but a large part of the reason I don't hate the Yankees is because of my friends who are fans. My friends who aer Yankees fans have always shown a lot of perspective and admit to being a little bit embarrassed about the way the franchise is run.

On the other hand, almost every Red Sox fan I know is a complete boor and has absolutely, completely zero ability to comprehend that maybe guys like Schilling, Manny, etc weren't "born to be Red Sox."

To put another way, my friends who are Yankees fans liked Gary Sheffield, like Giambi, Rodriguez, etc. They like them because they're good and understand that they're mercenaries. The people I know who are Red Sox fans seem to think that Pedro, Curt, Manny, etc are part of some overarching culture that could only exist in Boston because all of those guys, and every other player on the team, is somehow distinctly a Red Sock.

by afh4 on Apr 12, 2007 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Yeah my hate of the redsox is pretty high right now.

This whole Damon traitor thing was so utterly ridiculous. The reason he was with the redsox in the first place is that they could pay for him. And then somebody else pays more and he is a traitor? Good god. And don't even get me started on Manny.

I still like Manny, so the redsox aren't as bad as the Yankees. But that is still pretty bad.

by oxforddave on Apr 12, 2007 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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I agree that there are good Yankee fans, which is why I was careful to single out the bad ones.  But in my experience, at least until '04, I met a lot more passionate, all-around fans of the game who rooted for the Red Sox than the Yankees.

by mkwng on Apr 12, 2007 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Yep, it's the combination of Yankees-level spending with "woe is us" fan whininess that puts the Red Sox far over the top for me.  If you're a Pirates fan, the self-pity is understandable; when your team is the second-wealthiest in the league, not so much.

I hope the Red Sox just lose and lose and lose.  Should they ever finish a season trailing the Devil Rays in the standings, I would be exceedingly happy.

by Jackdaw on Apr 12, 2007 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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I don't hate the Yankees because they spend.  I hate the Yankees for the sense of entitlement that everyone associated with that organization has, from the ownership to the management to the players to the fans.  Especially the fans.  A bad Yankee fan is the worst fan in baseball, utterly ignorant about the rest of the league, which serves some vague Washington Generals role in providing a daily opponent for the march to the next championship.  I hate their hats and I hate their pinstripes and I hate their eagle and I hate Ronan Tynan and I hate Monument Park and I hate Rudy.

You can hate Pierzynski or Ozzie or Hawk.  You can hate Schilling or Epstein.  But I'll always, always hate the Yankees.

by mkwng on Apr 12, 2007 11:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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I'm tired of Ronan Tynan, too! Glad to hear someone shares my dislike (or fatigue).

by JulioBernazard on Apr 12, 2007 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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The Washington Generals comment is so dead-on and well-phrased.  I had a hard time choosing between the White Sox and Yankees, but it's that sense that the rest of the world exists to serve New York that puts them over the top for me.

On the route where I walk my dogs, someone has a Yankees sign in their front yard through the baseball months.  I do my best to encourage my dogs to poop there rather than anywhere else.  I still clean it up, but it's the thought that counts.

by jds16 on Apr 12, 2007 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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I voted for the utterly loathsome and irredeemable White Sox, the only team to ever throw a World Series. Their 2005 almost made me question the existence of God, since I thought the One True Thing in sports was that the White Sox would be a cursed team evermore.

I don't hate the Marlins for 2007, just Jose Mesa and Edgar Renteria. Although I'm not too fond of Alex Fernandez either, who was both a White Sox and a Marlin.

I despise Joey Cora.

RE: the Yankees and Red Sox, almost all the hatred I used to feel for the Yankees has been transferred to the Red Sox, since they're every bit as mercenary and evil as the Yankees yet their fans and front office refuse to be honest about it. I hate Red Sox fans. Yankees fans in my experience tend to be a lot more knowledgeable about the game in general and fun to talk to.

by mrich on Apr 12, 2007 12:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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I can't stand the Red Sox. Most arrogant/annoying fan base in sports I think. Is there some unwritten rule that I'm supposed to feel sorry for their past or something? We've had it worse in Cleveland.

And what is the big deal about Fisk's homerun in Game 6? Hey Boston, you lost game 7!

White Sox are the scum of the AL Central though.

by mikebrowns26 on Apr 12, 2007 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Don't forget Tony Fernandez's role.

by JulioBernazard on Apr 12, 2007 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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And yes, its funny listening to Boston fans complain about the Yankees with their large salary.

But which WS champion has the highest payroll off all time?

'04 Boston!!

Hypocrits.

by mikebrowns26 on Apr 12, 2007 12:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Most disliked team?
I took "Other" here, as I hate the Mets.  They cry poverty all the time and state how they can't compete with the Yankees and then go and trade/sign overpaid veterans at atleast the rate of the Yankees.
A close second, the Blue Jays.  Whom I don't dislike due to my location, rather, for the same reason I dislike the Mets.  Teams complain and complain about "spending" but then go off on a spending spree of their own.

Thats probably when I love baseball the most, in September when the majority of the spenders are searching for other reasons as to why they can't compete.

Governor's Cup in '07!

by Brandini on Apr 12, 2007 3:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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As much as I hate the Sox, I respect what they've done, and still like some of their players. I have to go with the Red Sox. Of course I hate the Yankees, but the Red Sox are a team full of mercenaries even more than the Yankees... te BoSox whine about how high the Yankees' payroll is, but theirs is close. the difference between the teams? The Yankees know how to manage their money well, and their fans don't sit there and whine and make excuses when they lose.
Come on Dorn, get in front of the damn ball! Don't give me this "ole" bulls**t!

by Turkmenbashi on Apr 12, 2007 3:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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There are only three teams in sports that I absolutely despise:

1.) Chicago White Sox
2.) New York Yankees (and their fans)
3.) Detroit Red Wings

Chicago pretty much vaulted to the top of the heap once they added Ozzie, a ring, and Thome; those three together are more than I can stomach.  I'm gonna go chug some haterade now.

by Pronk33 on Apr 12, 2007 4:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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Red Wings?  Playoff typ-o?  Or do you hate the Wings that much?
Governor's Cup in '07!

by Brandini on Apr 12, 2007 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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I'm an Avalanche fan, so no, that wasn't a typo.

by Pronk33 on Apr 12, 2007 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Pfft, re-location Avs fan!
If you were a REAL Avs fan you would hate the Canadiens!
Governor's Cup in '07!

by Brandini on Apr 12, 2007 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Heh.  And a real Colorado hockey fan would hate the Devils, right (since they were the original NHL team in the area, the Rockies, which left town for New Jersey)?

by Jackdaw on Apr 12, 2007 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Haha, sure.  I apologize to the 90% of people who have no idea what we're talking about by the way.  Yes, you're still reading a baseball blog.  

by Pronk33 on Apr 12, 2007 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Most disliked team?
I'm with you.  The Avs are the only hockey team I can watch, so I think your list is perfect.  I certainly didn't start rooting for the Broncos, Rockies, or Nuggets when I came to Colorado, but I was a free agent in hockey.   And the Avs have been incredibly well-run.  

by dgcambridge on Apr 13, 2007 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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White Sox, hands down, far and away my most hated team.  The Yankees are the only thing that come close.
-Erik

by drerikbrady on Apr 12, 2007 4:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

3 Dislikes!
Hello everyone,

White Sox - combination of Pierzynski, Ozzie, and DJ & Hawk - that triple-play combination really takes the cake, in a bad way, for me.  Not to mention they're also Central Division rivals.

Yankees - like others have mentioned, most of their fans acting like they're entitled or it's their birth-right to win the World Series every year.  Please - they act like 6 seasons is a drought - try nearly 60 years without a WS, or any of the ones longer than ours.  Heck, even the Giants' 52+ years without one qualifies as a drought.  6 years, when it comes to not winning a WS, is not a drought in my opinion.

And of course, Steinbrenner spending his billions to buy any ballplayer he wants, taking virtually every good to great player from teams like the Indians, the Twins, the A's, etc. - and there's virtually nothing we can do about it.  He may be entitled under the current baseball system (which still sucks in my opinion, as the rich can still purchase whoever they want and the smaller and middle-market teams will still lose their best players, despite their best efforts to keep them,) but that doesn't mean I have to like it, and I don't.  Steinbrenner is really not good for the game of baseball in my opinion, regardless of whether he's entitled to do what he's doing or not.

Red Sox - I agree also that their fans act like their players can only be Red Sox players.  Also, I think too that the Damon is a traitor thinking is a bit ridiculous as well - the Red Sox do virtually the same thing the Yankees do - spend a lot, and until recently, not have much of a farm system, but because they can't quite compete on the same level as the Yankees, spending-wise, they gripe and complain about the Yankees' spending, even though the Red Sox are no better when it comes to fiscal spending either.

And, what will really annoy me regarding the Red Sox, is when they likely take away our consecutive home sellout streak - that 455 should have lasted for at least 50 years, but because they have the smallest ballpark in baseball and the Red Sox won the WS back in 2004, they'll likely take the record from us.  Of course, it will be another couple of years before they can match us attendance-wise, since Jacobs Field can hold well over 40K; Fenway used to only hold about 33K or so, and probably no more than 35K even with the new seating.  Heck, 2.5 Fenway Parks would have fit inside the old Municipal Stadium attendance-wise.

In my opinion, MLB should add an asterisk to the Red Sox's attendance record, stating that they had the smallest ballpark.  Our record should have stood for at least 50 years - that's not something that happens everyday, but hopefully, people will remember that Indians' fans were genuinely interested in what was going on with the Indians, a team that couldn't spend like the BoSox can, which is a major reason why there's interest in the Red Sox - they can buy virtually any player they like, much like the Yankees, which, combined with the fact they have the smallest ballpark, sort of cheapens their sellout accomplishment when compared to ours, though I'll admit, I'm biased!  :-)

Just my 2 cents.

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on Apr 13, 2007 1:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: 3 Dislikes!
Some pretty shakey logic there.  The Indians sellout streak came in the wake of two World Series trips, and they were one of the top-spending teams in baseball at the time, and they had one of the smaller stadiums.  It's not that different than what the Red Sox are accomplishing, and unlike the streak-champ Indians, these Red Sox are competing against football and hockey.

We may hate Boston fans, but you have to give it to them for being as rabid as any fans, anywhere.  Let them have the record, I don't really care.

by Jay on Apr 13, 2007 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: 3 Dislikes!
cleveland set the record before it was cool anyway...

by Brick. on Apr 13, 2007 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't mind them too much!
Hello Jay,

You're right - I guess I'm just disappointed that the record didn't last longer, since I thought it would - that's not something that happens everyday.

2 things though:

  1. Fenway Park still holds 10,000 fewer than Jacobs Field, which makes it easier to sell out - if I recall correctly, we were still drawing that for many of the dates in 2001, so our sellout streak likely would have been longer if we had that small of a ballpark.

  2. I'm not much of a hockey fan (since we don't have a team,) but if I'm correct, the Bruins haven't been that good of late like the Patriots or Red Sox.  The Bruins, I think, have been more in decline like the Celtics have been of late, so I'm not sure the Red Sox had to compete with the Bruins too much.  Only the Patriots, and baseball and football season only intertwine in September and October, so again, not that much of an obstacle (though the Browns shouldn't provide that much resistance for the Indians, but they seem to anyway, but Cleveland seems to be more of a football town that loves its Browns.)

The only thing that slightly annoys me about the Red Sox fans is the idea about where "certain guys" could have only been Red Sox, as someone else mentioned.  

Otherwise, I agree - they are more like us in more ways than we might care to admit.  I still like them better than the majority of Yankee fans who think the WS is their birthright.  Between the two, I'd probably take BoSox fans first (outside of the, to my knowledge, limited Yankee fans who don't act like the WS is their birthright.)

Just my 2 cents.  :-)

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on Apr 13, 2007 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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I just read a thread in the white sox blog complaining about this thread. They dont seem to understand why people dislike the white sox more than the yankees? hmmm geez, think about it

by Gladiator on Apr 13, 2007 4:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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let's run down the list of common complaints about the sox from this thread:

a) hawk and d.j. - most sox fans can't stand them either. they're a bore to listen to and provide absolutely no insight into the game whatsoever. my theory is that he only has his job because he has incriminating pictures of jerry from his GM days. he's like the oddball uncle that always embarrasses you in public but you can't write him off since he's "family". trust me on this: the fact that those two clowns get national broadcasts regularly is embarrassing to a ton of sox fans.

b) a.j. - i like how on one hand everybody's falling all over themselves to say that they're ok with the twins then blast a.j. in the next breath. hypocrites. a.j. was a twin before being a giant before being a pale hose. the 'clubhouse cancer' bit from the giants has been more than proven to be a lie. in fact, reports are the opposite in chicago. everybody likes him in the clubhouse and all the boos in other stadiums only makes the sox fans like him more. thanks for that!

c) ozzie - ok, he says some shitty and offensive things. hopefully he got the message this year and will keep his trap shut as he guides our team to a better record than yours. again.

d) sox fans - at least we're classy enough to cheer for a former son even though he's wearing other threads. the tribe fans booing thome on his return trip were truly a classless bunch. the big hurt got a standing O his first couple of times up to bat in an A's uniform because sox fans appreciate it when a guy puts up incredible numbers for their team. and he was the hugest pain in the ass anyone could ask for.

e) seriously? you guys are bringing up 1919? glass houses, gentlemen......

fyi: i went with the twins. i don't like them not for anything organizationally. minnesotans are a nice, classy bunch. the twins organization shows that a good farm system and shrewd trading can bring you success even with the AL East tossing money around. it's the losing to them i can't stand. happy, winning bastards.

since you guys didn't vote heavily on the twins or (lately) tigers means you don't care which team is beating your ass, just whatever bullshit excuses you come up with help you sleep at night.

GO SOX!

by thatshortkid on Apr 13, 2007 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Hey guys.....

Remember that time that White Sox fan came over here and tried to convince us to like them?

by Nat on Apr 13, 2007 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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ugh... whatever man. i'm trying to argue that rather than putting forth a good reason for hating a team more than the yankees and other members of the division, y'all just whined about stupid bullshit.

by thatshortkid on Apr 13, 2007 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Most disliked team?
and with that, uribe goes ¡profundo!

by thatshortkid on Apr 13, 2007 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Well, thanks for supporting some of our reasons.  I'm not sure why you are so offended, our reasons aren't so different.  No one would hate the Sox if they were as bad as the Royals.

I won't speak to the Thome booing, but you certainly can't either.  Most of all, don't give me any of that Thomas nonsense.  Sox fans booed him while he was there.  I'd have given him a standing O after he left too, he killed you guys for two years before he left and whined while doing it.  Anyway, our complaints about Sox fans are that based on the fact that we've meet them.  The worst thing about them is the constant complaining about how the city loves the Cubs.

by dgcambridge on Apr 13, 2007 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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wha? thomas kept his head down when he was hurt and mashed when he wasn't (look at his '05 stats). he bitched when he left town, but he bitched every offseason. we still respected the big lug for what he did and didn't thrash his ass on first at-bat.

why does the cubs rivalry matter to indians fans? that's just an intra-city thing.

the vitriol about hawk.... yeesh, he's a bad announcer, but he's just an announcer. he didn't spit on anybody, throw a chair at fans, or kick a puppy in the face. he just sucks at broadcasting.

....and i'm out. going to get away before i stick my foot in my mouth and jinx anything.

too late. shit.

by thatshortkid on Apr 13, 2007 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Look, these opinions are on our board and we could care less what you think of them.

But I will refute your comparison of Thome and Thomas. They were not remotely the same circumstances.

When Thome left the Tribe he was just 32 years old. He still had many productive seasons to go (barring health). When we tried to extend him before his contract was up, he didn't want to negotiate. Then when we tried to trade him for much needed prospects during his final season, he said no. Although he did have a a no-trade clause, his reasoning for saying no was that he wanted to finish hi career as an Indian. He even said "someone is going to have to rip this jersey off of my back" or something similar.

Then in the offseason, as we negotiated the richest deal we ever had, he went to the Phillies and said can you top this? They did by adding a 6th year to the deal. He then asked the Tribe FO to match the sixth year. At the amount of money, we finally said no.

Now look at Thomas. He was 37 when his career ended in 2005 after 15 seasons. He was supposedely on his downswing due to his age and the injury the year he had before. He was usually a pain in the rear for both your team and the FO. His was obviously an easier to decision to let go, less painful. Therefore the fans are going to remember the good times and not the lies that Thome said to our fans and FO.

I hope this finally settles the matter.

by talonk on Apr 14, 2007 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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(b) We hated A.J. when he was a Twin, too.  He is still considered "tough to take" even by his own teammates.  His rep has recovered a little but has hardly turned around.

(d) Sox fans don't know anything about class, and you don't know anything about Jim Thome and the Indians.  Next thing you'll try to school us about Sandy Alomar.

In sum, keep your trap shut, you're embarassing yourself here.

by Jay on Apr 14, 2007 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice posts, talonk & Jay!
Hello talonk & Jay,

Agreed, Jay - I didn't like Pierzynski when he was a Twin - it's not just because he's a White Sox that I don't like him.

talonk - you're right about the "rip the jersey off my back line" - I forgot to include that.  Thanks for mentioning it.

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on Apr 14, 2007 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Having Pierzynski helps!
Hello Gladiator,

Pierzynski is arguably more annoying than anyone on the Yankees; White Sox fans might not see it, but Pierzynski's antics really annoy everyone else (heck, I think even some of his Twins' teammates complained about him privately when he was in Minnesota.  Not to mention the Giants' players, especially veterans, that complained about him during his partial season there.)

The 2005 ALCS disputed call of whether that ball hit the dirt or now and he acting like it was an undisputed call that it hit the dirt I think just added to it.  Some might say it was heady-baserunning, but I think many outside of Chicago think that Pierzynski fooled the umpire, who might have called it the other way otherwise, so it was far from an undisputed call that the ball definitely hit the dirt.

Add in Ozzie's antics and the fact that Buerhle hit Hafner in the face, ironically, after Garland, the following day's starter, said that Hafner was the guy he most feared in that lineup, and you can sort of see why Indians' fans especially are not fond of the White Sox.

Just my 2 cents.  :-)

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on Apr 13, 2007 6:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Having Pierzynski helps!
"pierzynski fooled the umpire"

puh-leeze. the umpire made the call. it was a playoff-caliber ump (whose job it is to be precise, regardless of player antics [see: rodriguez, alex]) and it all would have been moot if crede didn't get the 2-out double in the next at bat. or if the angels catcher did the right thing and tagged a.j. on an even close call. blame the catcher or the ump, a.j. just made a heads-up play.

sour grapes for angels fans, player hating for everybody else (seriously, why do you care? your team didn't lose).

by thatshortkid on Apr 13, 2007 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Having Pierzynski helps!
Have to agree with short kid here....that was just a heads-up play by AJ.

by Jackdaw on Apr 14, 2007 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My thoughts!
Hello thatshortkid,

First, as far as I know, Thomas never declared his intention of resigning with the White Sox (maybe he did, but my impression is that Thomas and GM Ken Williams never really seen eye-to-eye, so Thomas wasn't really eager to resign with the White Sox after his current contract was up.)

Thome, on the other hand, was saying constantly about looking forward to signing with Cleveland, blah, blah, blah.  Then, when the Indians were willing to give him the richest contract ever given to an Indian, he turns our back on us.  If that had happened to you, it's likely you'd boo too.  

Thome said something about "he wants to go to a team that has a better chance of reaching the playoffs."  Well, the grass isn't always greener on the other side.  Philadelphia never reached the postseason with Thome, and actually, the Phillies were last to the postseason in 1993 (if I recall correctly.)  The Indians?  2001.

As for Pierzynski, the umpire still made a bad call - many of the replays show that the call was far from conclusive, and the umpire didn't demonstratively make the call either way.  You can blame Paul if you like - sure, he should have made sure, but Pierzynski has done enough of his own antics over the years, and that move (you call it "heads-up play," I'm thinking more "antic," just to see what happens if he ran down the line,) paid off for him (and the White Sox) in my opinion.

Just my 2 cents.  :-)

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on Apr 13, 2007 11:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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