Alternate universe ending for yesterday
So I was only following the game online and I'm happy to be contradicted here, but here goes anyway. Why not lift Victor for Shoppach going to the bottom of the 8th? With two outs in the 9th,Posada "stole" second on defensive indifference to get into scoring position. I have to wonder if the game wouldn't have ended on a Shoppach throw to second in that case. We were up 6 to 2. This seems like the time to make defensive substitutions. Maybe Posada got a great jump. Maybe Shoppach would've thrown the ball to Grady. Or maybe Shoppach would've bailed us out of that horrible, horrible ending.
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Re: Alternate universe ending for yesterday
by Ryan on Apr 20, 2007 8:00 AM EDT 0 recs
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by drerikbrady on
Apr 20, 2007 8:59 AM EDT
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by Brandini on Apr 20, 2007 10:06 AM EDT 0 recs
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by drerikbrady on
Apr 20, 2007 10:39 AM EDT
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After the Indians-ChiSox series, Martinez was something like 2 or 3 out of 5. I think you are still looking at what he did last year and not allowing for him to "bounce back". Maybe it was the foot injury, maybe it was the pitchers, or maybe, Martinez just didn't put any offseason work into it. But until he HURTS this team defensively, I don't see any need for the marginal improvement to Shoppach.
by Brandini on
Apr 20, 2007 1:40 PM EDT
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I never see our team take (or get handed to them) second base in those situations. Could that mean that there is something about a free runner in scoring position that other teams know that Wedge doesnt?
Maybe it's just sour grapes from yesterday's awful loss, but I have never been lower on our manager than i am right now. It's like yesterday was just the confluence of so many exasperating things about Wedge and the way he manages/the way his teams play.
What's his contract status anyway? I know this was his walk year, but did he get extended?
by mpstable on Apr 20, 2007 10:29 AM EDT 0 recs
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by drerikbrady on
Apr 20, 2007 10:37 AM EDT
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Either way, he has to win or he's gone.
by Ryan on
Apr 20, 2007 10:48 AM EDT
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What I know for sure is ... nobody here has presented any information that they do.
Mooooooooooooo.
by Jay on
Apr 20, 2007 10:57 AM EDT
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by drerikbrady on
Apr 20, 2007 10:58 AM EDT
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by Jay on
Apr 20, 2007 11:00 AM EDT
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by drerikbrady on
Apr 20, 2007 11:02 AM EDT
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by Thommy on
Apr 20, 2007 11:13 AM EDT
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by drerikbrady on
Apr 20, 2007 11:18 AM EDT
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I like LGT because most people here are above that kinda nonsense. But after a day like yesterday, i think everyone can be forgiven some overreacting anguish and garment-tearing. If you cant be irrationally emotional from time to time, whats the point of being a fan? If you're going to be a robot about watching baseball, why not just grow a porn-stache and put on a #22 jersey
by mpstable on
Apr 20, 2007 11:26 AM EDT
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But (to me) you'd better have an opinion, and be prepared to defend that opinion, too. There are lots of places where you can slam Wedge or A-Rod or whoever (Cleveland.com, WKNR, the bathroom wall).
by mkwng on
Apr 20, 2007 11:46 AM EDT
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ARod is a poopy pants,
he who smelt, dealt it.
by Thommy on
Apr 20, 2007 11:29 AM EDT
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Or Buehrle is a jerk?
by nickjs21 on
Apr 20, 2007 4:28 PM EDT
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by drerikbrady on
Apr 20, 2007 4:52 PM EDT
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People are going to be irrational after a brutal loss like that, it's human nature. But yes, if you bring the same attitude three days later, we're getting into irrational thinking.
by Ryan on
Apr 20, 2007 12:02 PM EDT
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my final though on the game: i think the biggest problem was that no one went to the mound to calm jobo &/or give someone time to warm up to replace him. that there was no attempt to get a replacement ready when it was clear he just lost it is the most glaring mistake. ok. now im done. go tribe! beat d-rays!
by mpstable on Apr 20, 2007 2:32 PM EDT 0 recs
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The reason that base doesn't matter is that the tieing run is behind him and there's already two outs -- so it can't possibly matter whether the baserunner starts out on first or second, because if the current batter scores, the current baserunner is going to score in any event. And if the current batter doesn't score, then the game is won.
Everybody likes to set up the force-outs, but it actually means very little when there's no DP to set up. I haven't seen any numbers on this, but I think you'd find that when there are two outs and a man on first, an infielder will almost always go for the out at first base. It's simply the easiest out on the field, even with a fast runner at the plate, and everybody knows that.
by Jay on
Apr 20, 2007 11:05 PM EDT
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