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Carmona and Kruk

by dvd1204 on May 1, 2007 10:19 PM EDT

As I sit here and watch Baseball Tonight, I'm wondering if anyone else saw it last night when Kruk was yelling at Philips that it made no sense at all that the Tribe was sending down their "best pitcher right now". He went even further to say that it would be hard as a player to take the field with lesser pitchers taking the mound.

Not surprisingly, Philips justified the move by saying you have to go with the guys that have a proven track record even if they aren't performing right now. Not once did this former GM mention minor league options as the reason. How did this guy have a job?

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Re: Carmona and Kruk

They're both idiots. I don't think they understand how baseball works...they just like whoever is doing well this week.

by Kos @ Let's Go Tribe! on May 1, 2007 10:24 PM EDT reply actions

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Agreed. It was rather comical, and sad that the majority of the country thinks of these clowns as "experts". More reason why I'm so glad this site exists

by dvd1204 on May 1, 2007 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions

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Correction, they just like who is doing well "Tonight", thus the name Baseball Tonight.

Governor's Cup in '07!

by Brandini on May 2, 2007 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions

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Idiot.

by mkwng @ Let's Go Tribe! on May 1, 2007 10:28 PM EDT reply actions

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I saw it, and I couldn't believe I was siding with Philips. Do you think Ravetch just sits there and thinks "Idiots. Idiots. Idiots," over and over in his head? To suggest keeping up Carmona at the expense of WESTBROOK--not Byrd, WESTBROOK because he was doing poor--regardless of the fact that these were 2 good starts by Fausto and Jake has been a good pitcher for years and is also 33 million dollars richer ... I can't go on.

by nickjs21 on May 1, 2007 10:42 PM EDT reply actions

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It was amazing how ticked off Kruk got. He was legitimately upset.

by dvd1204 on May 1, 2007 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions

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I honestly thought they were fabricating the entire debate - that's the only way I could rationalize their comments.

by mplswahoo on May 1, 2007 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions

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Yeah, when Steve Phillips is the voice of reason, you know you've wandered into the loony bin.

by Ryan on May 1, 2007 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions

Or the Twilight Zone! :-)

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on May 2, 2007 4:19 AM EDT up reply actions

Re: Carmona and Kruk

I saw this also. My impression was that the word came down that maybe they should talk about the AL Central. OF course, they don't know much about the AL Central (or maybe anything), so they try to stir up this fake controversy. It was so laughably contrived.

by oxforddave on May 1, 2007 11:42 PM EDT reply actions

Re: Carmona and Kruk

Baseball Tonight is reporting the Hughes will be out 4-6 weeks for the Yanks. I think we could offer them Carmona for Abreu at this point.

by nickjs21 on May 1, 2007 11:54 PM EDT reply actions

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Wow. You know, if this was any other team, I'd feel sorry for them.

by Ryan on May 1, 2007 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions

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As a diehard Yankee hater who absolutely loves Philip Hughes, I'm torn. It's his second start, and he's throwing a no-hitter...and I'm still sort of happy he got hurt. Part of me wants to keep watching him pitch, but I guess I'd rather see the Yankees continue losing.

by Kos @ Let's Go Tribe! on May 2, 2007 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions

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Kruk's analysis of a Vlad HR today: "meheh." Good stuff.

Wait 'til next year... or something like that

by Brad D on May 2, 2007 12:32 AM EDT reply actions

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I hear you guys. BBTN is almost unwatchable anymore. The only person associated with ESPN who knows anything about baseball is Orel Hersheiser.

Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on May 2, 2007 1:08 AM EDT reply actions

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he and Peter Gammons. Jayson Stark, Karl Ravech [sic] also come to mind.

Who would win in a baseball debate among guys named Steve:

Steve Phillips, or Steven A. Smith?

by homelytourist on May 2, 2007 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions

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Gammons also, of course - brilliant analyst. Stark is hit or miss with me. SOme of his articles get on my nerves.

Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on May 2, 2007 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions

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I'll be honest, my memories of Stark's writings and interviews are pretty distant. Virtually all of my sports news comes to me through the LGT channel, or via office chatter. Stark may be terrible for all I know. I don't own a TV., so I've watched almost no TV over the last few years. (for the record, I'm not in jail and I'm not anti-TV). I'm a little shocked to hear that BBTN sucks, because the last I saw of it I liked the show a lot... but that was probably right around the last time the Tribe's last playoff game.

by homelytourist on May 2, 2007 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions

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that last sentence makes no sense, but I'm too tired to correct it.

by homelytourist on May 2, 2007 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions

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Stark is pretty good. He seems to have reasons for his opinions. I don't always agree with him but he consistently makes sense. Rob Neyer is never on BBTN but is a good writer. I agree that Hershiser is the best they currently have other then Gammons. Ravech probably falls after those two. Most times he is tethered to a sinking ship.

Wait 'til next year... or something like that

by Brad D on May 2, 2007 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions

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RE: Steve Phillips v. Stephen A. Smith. I'd never watch TV again if those men debated anything.

by nickjs21 on May 2, 2007 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions

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Can we give them both weapons?

Unofficial Andy Marte and Joe Borowski Apologist. My fantasy team - Swindon SpecOps 27.

by woodsmeister on May 2, 2007 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions

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Stark, for a guy who seems to know a whole lot, sure writes a lot of stupid things.

by Jay on May 2, 2007 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions

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Keith Law should be added into the Gammons, Neyer, and Olney crew. The rest are a waste of space.

by KeithHernandez on May 2, 2007 3:40 AM EDT reply actions

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John Kruk makes me wish Harold Reynolds was still around.

Link: http://deadspin.com/sports/someone-give-this-man-a-job/harold-reynolds-still-wondering-what-the-heck -happened-256748.php

by bigbrabbs on May 2, 2007 6:49 AM EDT reply actions

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I surprised that Harold hasn't popped up on XM's MLB channel. I'd much rather have him than Dibble and Kennedy at drive time.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on May 2, 2007 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions

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I'm surprised. Geez, you'd think I could edit my own work.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on May 2, 2007 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions

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I don't think his suits would translate.

by Jay on May 2, 2007 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions

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My Baseball Tonight lineup:

Karl Ravetch hosts. I swear this guy is very good and insightful, but he leads a roundtable of idiots.
Fellow anchors Buster Olney, Tim Kurkjian, and Brian Kinney. Although he's never been on BBTN, Kinney is a huge sabermetric guy and I think he'd lend some good banter.
Correspondents Peter Gammons, Rob Neyer, and Orel Hershiser (ONLY let Orel talk about pitching mechanics, breaking down video or something: he's a horrible conversationalist).

At the very least, it's a very pro-Indians roundtable.

The only guest athletes allowed on would be Vernon Wells and Aaron Boone. They are the only two major leaguers who coud talk without tripping over their tongues.

Also, at the end of the night, they should add another segment with Web Gems, Slam of the Night (or whatever), and That's Nasty: Harold's Hugs. Reynolds comes on and gives out a Hug to whomever he think had the best playing performance of the night. This hug would be mildly inappropriate and uncomfortable at best.

by nickjs21 on May 2, 2007 10:47 AM EDT reply actions

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And Phillips gets to sit on the set, but isn't allow to say anything. Everytime he starts to speak, Ravech gets to tell him to "Shut Up, you were a lousy GM, what makes you think you know dick about baseball?" Which is of course a rhetorical question, so everyone else just moves on. All he gets to do is hold ribs while Kruk stuffs his face off camera.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on May 2, 2007 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions

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That's not fair to Kruk. Haven't you seen those Nutrisystem commercials? His wife doesn't think he's as disgusting to her as he used to be.

by nickjs21 on May 2, 2007 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions

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I like the Hug thing though, it would be mildly uncomfortable, each and every night.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on May 2, 2007 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions

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Love the hug. Brilliant idea. I think you could add Eric Byrnes to the lest of players allowed, he really commentates the game the right way.

Wait 'til next year... or something like that

by Brad D on May 2, 2007 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions

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Classic signature. Well played.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on May 2, 2007 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions

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You don't mind the attention?

by Jay on May 2, 2007 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions

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Ahha. That's right, changing the signature even changes the previous posts. Did you at least see it before he changed it to this?

-Erik

by drerikbrady on May 2, 2007 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions

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I suppose I should have remembered that the admins can change signature lines.

Founding member of Drerikbrady's Ladies.

by Brad D on May 2, 2007 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions

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I won't make a habit of it. Only other time was when a guy had misspelled a word -- over and over, right? -- and couldn't figure out how to change it himself.

I love signatures ;)

by Jay on May 2, 2007 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions

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Oh, Ryan, do you really want to go there?

I love signatures ;)

by Jay on May 2, 2007 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions

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Hey, someone had to.

by Ryan on May 2, 2007 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions

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Yeah, I guess that's true.

by Jay on May 2, 2007 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions

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You are making a good argument to get rid of signatures. I'm not quite there yet, but it's getting close.

by Ryan on May 2, 2007 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions

Re: Carmona and Kruk

Well ... let me be clear about this, it's really an interface problem, just like the Subject line. Our forums have a very simple graphical presentation of plain text -- there are no shaded or colored areas, no graphics, nothing. As a result, repetitive subject headers and sigs blend in visually with the content -- as opposed to blending in with the page design, which is what repeating content should do.

That is, they clutter up the (original) content, forcing readers (including us) to work harder to digest the actual content (the new comments). Under the present design, it's hard to screen out items that ought to just blend in. That also means that if someone puts up a sig that some folks would find irritating, the experience is much closer (from the reader's point of view) to trolling than it otherwise would be.

On the other hand, sigs (like avatars and the user ID's themselves) are a good way for users to express a little something about themselves, which helps everyone "recognize" others in the group. Lacking avatars, our ID's and sigs are our "faces" here.

</offtopic>

by Jay on May 2, 2007 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions

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Is it safe to assume that you gave Jay a signature briefly in the middle of all this? That's all I can figure to make the conversation between the two of you make sense.

Wait a minute, I have a fan club? COOL!

by drerikbrady on May 2, 2007 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions

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Jay briefly had one that said ";-) I love signatures" or something like that.

Founding member of Drerikbrady's Ladies.

by Brad D on May 2, 2007 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions

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I'm leaving it as it stands now. I must warn Erik that I would make a terribly unattractive lady.

Founding member of Drerikbrady's Ladies.

by Brad D on May 2, 2007 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions

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I'm just having fun following you around at this point Brad. Maybe some ladies will join you.

Wait a minute, I have a fan club? COOL!

by drerikbrady on May 2, 2007 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions

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Are you kidding? Girls go crazy for medical researchers branching out into pharmaceutical communications!

by Jay on May 2, 2007 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions

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Maybe so, but I'm going to let Brad lead them to me.

Wait a minute, I have a fan club? COOL!

by drerikbrady on May 2, 2007 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions

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I'll do my best. I feel it is my duty as the founding member.

Founding member of Drerikbrady's Ladies.

by Brad D on May 2, 2007 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions

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As you consider your signature, you should know that I first read it as "Fondling member of Drerikbrady's Ladies." Freud lives!

ken from alexandria

by ken from alexandria on May 2, 2007 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions

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