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Marte optioned; Perez recalled

According to  The Tribe Report on MVN Andy Marte was optioned to Buffalo today in favor of Rafael Perez.  I can't find any confirmation of this on official sites yet. Apparently they're looking to go short on the bench but long in the pen.  I'm not sure if this is a bigger indictment of the perceived value of Marte or worries about the team's pitching going into a tough series with Boston.  We really didn't burn the pen out lately and outside of JoBo, everyone should be pretty much available. Maybe I'm missing something, but since Marte can't be recalled for 10 days, I'd bet that Fransisco or Guitierez will get the call.  I feel for Marte. Update [2007-5-28 15:3:55 by mjmarble]: Here's the confirmation from ESPN wire services.

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Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
Stunning news.  I see it as a short term deal.  Clearly the next 7 days are important for the team - not make-or-break but certainly important for team confidence.  Right now it looks like Wedge/Shapiro have confidence in only  three of our relievers (JoBo, Raf and Mastny) and are looking for help.  Marte needs to play and it doesn't look like they FO/Wedge see a spot for him.
Sometimes you just gotta be gritty

by mauichuck on May 28, 2007 2:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
I don't think it's stunning.  The comments from Wedge when they brought him back last week suggested to me that barring a rapid turn-around, it was pretty likely they'd option him to Buffalo for atleast some period of time this year.  It does set up a seemingly inevitable trade of one or several prospects because of 40-man/option issues going into next season.

by APV on May 28, 2007 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
Wonderful.  Awesome, lets trade away players just because we do not manage our 40 man well.
Winners practice like Champions, losers go through the motions.

by E5 on May 28, 2007 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
It likely an inevitability anyway.  And it's not because we haven't managed it well...it's because we've done a pretty fantastic job of building depth throughout our system and establishing young guys in Cleveland.  It's a problem made out of successes, not failures.

by APV on May 28, 2007 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
Have you been paying attention at all?  How can you say that?  

by mkwng on May 28, 2007 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
I think my friend E5 is still a little upset about BP and Guthrie.  Can't blame him.
Sometimes you just gotta be gritty

by mauichuck on May 28, 2007 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
Why Guthrie? So what, he's doing well in Baltimore, good for him. He'd still be our 7th or 8th starter.

by one size more on May 28, 2007 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

two questions:
  1. I was about to say, "yeah, if a dude's never going to play, might as well get something of value for him," but then I realized I was pretty sure we didn't. I totally forgot what happened with Guthrie going to Baltimore. Did we get anything for him? I honestly just blanked and can't find any info on it right at hand (note: I am lazy).

  2. Is anyone else a big comic book fan who keeps expecting Jeremy to be one of Cannonball's many siblings? Seriously. I'm always like "yeah, so what's your mutant power, kiddo?"

by AngG on May 28, 2007 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: two questions:
What happened with Guthrie is that at no time did any of the other 29 teams offer anything of value for him.  We tried to keep him by putting him on outright waivers, and he was claimed.

This happens to marginal players all the time -- we lost Guthrie and picked up Mike Rouse by the same method.  So in a way, you could say that Rouse is who we got for Guthrie.   And clearly we needed a defensively gifted infield backup more than we needed Guthrie.

by Jay on May 28, 2007 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: two questions:
Thanks. I just couldn't remember what happened there. :D

by AngG on May 28, 2007 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
E5, this is what managing a 40-man well looks like.  It's tight, they use every last spot, and that means sometimes someone has to go.

The option rules are designed specifically to prevent teams from stockpiling talent.  The Indians stockpile talent in the high minors (most of it marginal) as well or better than any other team.

It obviously follows that the rules will force them to give up some of that talent sometimes -- that's the whole reason those rules exist.

by Jay on May 28, 2007 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
This statement is what confuses me.  You say elsewhere in another thread that Garko's success of late is likely the reason that Marte got sent to Buffalo.  And you seemed pleased with Garko's success in that post.  With Blake and Nixon also playing well, how is this poor management of our 40 man?  It seems to me that making a trade of one of the four players that are tied to Marte (Garko, Nixon and Blake, in addition to Marte himself) would constitute poor management of the 40 man.  This is an utterly unremarkable move.  The only reason that this thread got more than 10 comments is probably the rash of folks that are floored by your statement.  Care to lay out how you would manage our 40 man differently?
-Erik

by drerikbrady on May 29, 2007 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
I fail to see how this move creates a 40-man/option problem for next season.  If they can't commit to Marte by April 2008, the problem is a lot more significant than just a lack of options.

And what sense does it make to say, we don't want to option him this season purely because we'd like to option him next season?  You're just taking next season's possible problem and converting into a definite problem in the present.

Now is when we need the option; now is when we're using it.

by Jay on May 28, 2007 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
The option this year vs. next for Marte comes down to whether or not our current need/reward/risk (whichever currency you want to use) to option him this year is greater than our possible need/reward/risk next year.  Does it make sense to option hiim now...I think yes.  Could we find ourselves in a situation next year where we wish we had that option...yes.

I'm happy that Marte will at least be playing everyday now.

by APV on May 28, 2007 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
"Stunning news" in its sensibility. The Tribe is so much more sensible in its moves this year, isn't it?

by ploni on May 28, 2007 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
That's the gist of it - sensible.  I just couldn't figure out what they were doing with Marte.  Once he was in Buffalo, why didn't they keep him there until he had 3-4 weeks of promising production?  It's the back and forth thing that I find puzzling.
Sometimes you just gotta be gritty

by mauichuck on May 28, 2007 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
They probably would have liked to avoid using his option if at all possible.

by Jeffrey R on May 28, 2007 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
kind of sensible, but it should have been clear from the beginning that wedge had lost confidence in marte and the option was going to be burned inevitably (starting trotts against maroth?)
i'm not sure what the agreement situation was with koplove (would we lose him if we didn't bring him up soon?) but i would rather have emoo available through this stretch rather than on hold for 14 days.  i love rafael, and fultz seems to be having some control problems lately (8 balls in last two outings), but with two shaky lefties going against boston this series (and boston 2nd in the league in ops vs lhp) i would rather have another righty strike-thrower in the pen right now.  
and why isn't ferd injured already?  is the team having some fit of conscience or something?  he can't have like a strained hamstring or sore back already?

by emil minty on May 28, 2007 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
Shapiro:  So, hey ... just curious, was there a reason Marte wasn't in there tonight?  Was he feeling okay?

Wedge:  I just felt better going with Nixon.  He's been putting together a lot of quality ABs, and it seemed like Verlander was going to be tough to get to.

Shapiro:  Oh, okay, just wanted to make sure nothing was wrong.

[awkward silence]

Shapiro:  So, listen, not to question the call or anything, but when exactly are you going to use Marte?

Wedge:  Well, I like the kid, he's an option.  But I'm just not feeling like he's my best option on a lot of days, at least not until he gets his bat going.  Casey looks good at third, and Nixon's moving around a lot better lately out there, so that factors in.

Shapiro:  Uh-huh.

Wedge:  But mostly, I just feel like I want Nixon in the lineup, the kind of ABs he's putting in there, maybe if he's slowing down or once Marte get warmed up and starts swinging the bat better.

Shapiro:  Well, you know, that's the thing, how's he going to get warmed up if we can't find any ABs for him?

Wedge:  Yeah, that's a problem, but I'm just putting my best lineup out there, that's all.  I can't see worrying about him warming up when we've got ballgames to win.

Shapiro:  So basically, you're going to start Marte, like, once a week.

Wedge:  Yeah, like I said, maybe more once he gets warmed up, we'll see how Nixon's holding up.  Probably not much this week.  Don't see us coming up against too many lefties anyway.  I gotta think we want Trot out there in Boston either way.

Shapiro:  Yeah, that's a ballpark for lefties, too.  I can't say I'd feel great about Marte coming up in some big situation in Fenway.  It's a bit much, and he hasn't really settled in yet to begin with.

Wedge:  That's about what I'm thinking.

Shapiro:  You want to see if we can get his bat going in Buffalo?  Would that make it a better situation for you?  I'm not crazy about doing that, and we'd need to make clear he hadn't done anything wrong.  But I just don't see him getting settled in at the plate if he's on the bench.

Wedge:  Well, you know before I was feeling like I should put Casey in there if that was going to come up.  Now, it's more like Casey's already in there, he's in right, and now I've got Nixon on the bench, so if I send in Nixon for Marte in that situation, now they're going for the lefty.

Shapiro:  Right.  So what I'm hearing here is mainly that you don't feel like putting Marte in there is going to be the best thing, most of the time.  Maybe ever.

Wedge:  Well, like I said, I like the kid, he just hasn't gotten it going, and the other guys are going great.

Shapiro:  So is there any downside to pulling him?  Are you going to come up with a situation where you're wishing you could go to him.

Wedge:  Some situation, sure, it could come up.  But we've got some pretty good other guys to go to if that's what we need to do.  We're pretty well covered.

Shapiro:  You know who we could get is Perez, he's available now.  Especially with the lefty situation in Boston.  And we probably need to be a little worried about racking up some big innings in the bullpen, what with the guys we're starting up there.  It could be a problem.

Wedge:  I like Perez.

Shapiro:  You really weren't going to give Marte any ABs, were you.

Wedge:  No, I wasn't.

Shapiro:  Okay, then, it's settled.  Wish you'd been more upfront about this a week ago, though.  Now all those genius blog people are going to think I'm an idiot.

by Jay on May 28, 2007 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
The best part is sort of imagining Shapiro sitting there, with this long-suffering look on his face. Maybe looking a little like he's about to get a terrible headache.

by AngG on May 28, 2007 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
I think this post is more than worthy of it's own diary. Well done.

by Jeffrey R on May 28, 2007 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
I haven't seen it mentioned yet that it seems likely that Marte did not play yesterday because Wedge wanted his best infield defense behind Carmona. This is logical, but it is telling that he is more comfortable with Blake at 3B. Marte has been inconsistent defensively, and they can handle inconsistency at the plate, but not in the field.

by oxforddave on May 28, 2007 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
Marte had a rough week somewhere in there, but the bottom line is that he's been a consistent defender for several years but has only gotten to play in a handful of games in the past month.

by Jay on May 28, 2007 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
With FULTZ and FCab both in for a retooling with Willis maybe a few extra arms in the bullpen is a good idea....

by volapuk on May 28, 2007 2:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
Is this True?
If it is it just shows that I was right that they should have left him in the minors at first.  He has not played much since being recalled and he would have been much better suited to get some playing time at AAA.  I am sorry but every day this kind of thing happens it reminds me of B.P.
Winners practice like Champions, losers go through the motions.

by E5 on May 28, 2007 2:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
Purely speculation here, but since the next four starters we'll face are righties (Schilling, Beckett, Dice-K, and Verlander) Marte probably would not have started any of these games. It makes sense for him to get ABs in Buffalo, and also add the extra left-handed arm for a series where we'll probably need the bullpen a lot.

by KeithHernandez on May 28, 2007 3:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
Still no story that I can find, but the switch is apparent on the Indians official roster.

by APV on May 28, 2007 3:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
I agree with several folks' comments above.  With the back end of the rotation up heading to Boston and several of our RP arms having had some struggles recently cough*FCab/Fultz*cough they probably wanted that extra help in the bullpen.  

Something else to keep in mind is that the Indians have only had one day off during the entire month of May, which you would think would be harder on relief pitchers than anyone else.  I definitely think the move has more to do with bolstering the bullpen than it does with Marte.

Of course I thought it was stupid that they were letting Marte molder away on the bench anyhow.  If he's in Cleveland, he should be playing every day, in my opinion.  At least he'll get to play down in Buffalo.

by Jackdaw on May 28, 2007 3:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
I'm stunned anyone is surprised.  Fultz has walked in two runs in bases loaded situations in his last two appearances.  Calling up a lefty is critical, and Marte (who only plays one position) is the lowest value guy on the roster, with an important series upcoming.   What would have been stunning is if they decided to go with Fultz all the way through the next couple of games without a safety net to fall on, like Perez.  This move says nothing about Marte's progress or lack of progress, and everything about a realistic assessment of the pen.

by MTF on May 28, 2007 4:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
The questions are:

How soon do they switch back to 12 pitchers?
Which pitcher goes?
Which position player comes up from Buffalo?

by palcal on May 28, 2007 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
What, the FO can't read a schedule?  It's not like they didn't know we had a tough ten game stretch coming up.  The stunning part, to me at least, is they brought Marte up - sat him on the bench - and then sent him back down - accomplishing absolutely nothing.  I figured they had a plan for Marte - at least they were talking like they had a plan.  And then all of a sudden he's back down in the minors.  Was that the plan?  
Sometimes you just gotta be gritty

by mauichuck on May 28, 2007 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
These decisions aren't made in isolation. The FO can read a schedule, but they may not have been able to predict that Fultz and Cabrera were going to be struggling. As you note above, they seem to only have confidence in Borowski, Mastny, and Betancourt at the moment; they may feel they need more bullpen options for this stretch of games against Boston and Detroit. Perhaps if the bullpen had solid, then Marte would still be in Cleveland.

by Jeffrey R on May 28, 2007 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
Borowski has closed 3 straight games so he is not available today.  Betancourt pitched 2 2/3 innings in Detroit.

Also, Wedge wouldn't use Hernandez against Detroit, how likely is Wedge to use him against Boston.

The most likely relievers today unless it is a blowout are Mastny, Perez, and Koplove.

by palcal on May 28, 2007 4:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
FYI, Perez threw 75 pitches in a start at Buffalo on Friday. He may not be available until tomorrow (at which time he will have had 3 days rest).

by KeithHernandez on May 28, 2007 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
Yeah, the move makes perfect sense to me, we're unable to use JoeBo today and Wedge has no confidence in Kbrera or Fultz atm (and I doubt he ever had confidence in Koplove, who was just here because of his out clause).

Unless Koplove proves ot be very useful very soon, I doubt he survives much longer. Perez might permanently occupy the 7th BP spot with Fultz having control problems (never hurts to have another lefty), or Mujica could of course be called up again, or the Koplove/Perez combo could just serve as a stopgap until Miller gets better.

Speaking of which, what is Miller's progress? He's pretty much always dependable when he isn't injured (which isn't often). Is he due back by June? Mid-June? July?

by one size more on May 28, 2007 4:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
I don't think Koplove is worthless filler.  He could be a useful piece of the pen.

by dgcambridge on May 28, 2007 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
I dunno, he has very spotty control at times, do you want him working in a tight game with his potential to give up walks and wild pitches?

by one size more on May 28, 2007 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
Miller is off the DL and was optioned to Buffalo a few weeks ago.  I imagine if he's pitching well, he's the next righty reliever to be called up.

by Jay on May 28, 2007 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
He isn't pitching well at Buffalo.  7.2 IP, 5 H, 4 BB, 7 K, 5.87 ERA coming into today's game.

by Fundamentals on May 28, 2007 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
Had a couple of rough outings, but look at his last 4:

May 19    0 R 1.0 1 SO
May 20    0 R    .2  2 SO
May 24    0 R    1.0    1 SO
May 26    0  R 1.0    2 SO

by haymister on May 28, 2007 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed; also, I think Hernandez is having more
problems than Fultz.

Hello everyone,

While Fultz's recent control troubles are a problem, let's not forget that it's more the fact that both Cabrera and Hernandez have been unreliable for longer than Fultz has been why we need another fresh, hopefully reliable, arm out there.

Chances are, Fultz will be reliable again, like he has most of the season until recently.  However, to this point, can we say the same about Cabrera, and especially Hernandez?  I don't think so.  And Koplove probably hasn't shown enough to this point to be considered a late-inning option - he's more-less a mop-up man/long man at this point until he shows more consistent command.  That's the main reason I think Perez was brought up - both being a lefty, and hopefully, providing another reliable reliever - Wedge can't keep using JoeBo, Mastny, and Betancourt, with Fultz sprinkled in, and not have it affect the bullpen long-term - someone else will need to help, and right now, Cabrera and Hernandez are unable to do that (which is why I find Hernandez warming in the bullpen while Lee was struggling to be puzzling, to say the least.)

Just my 2 cents.  :-)

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on May 28, 2007 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
Remember, Perez gives you a long man. We have our two worst starters going back-to-back against a terrific lineup. You've gotta figure at least one of them goes down early.

Also (don't use an exclamation point, don't use an exclamation point), we're going up against three righties in a row, so Rouse is the more probably pinch hitter than Marte anyway.

by fleerdon on May 28, 2007 5:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
As much as this move is about the bullpen, I have to admit that the lineup looks that much stronger with Blake in place of Marte.  I hate saying that, but I can't get around it.  I know, it's only been 51 PA, and I really want to see Marte develop.  But today, and next week, Blake is better.

by dgcambridge on May 28, 2007 6:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
As far as I can see, the worst that could have happened is our 23-year old would be long term 3B-man missing out on 35-ish at bats while he was riding the pine (except for what, one game?) the last 10 days.  

That's not insignificant by any means, specifically because he is such a slow starter.  But the brass is making every decision with the clear #1 objective being maximizing wins with the parent club.  This wasn't as obvious last year while they waited out Jason Johnson and than (unfortunately) didn't need to make that the priority.

This may come with a corollary effect of slightly stunting developmental paths; but if Marte is any kind of player, he should be able to overcome this stuff.

by cheech99 on May 28, 2007 6:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
It's tiresome that people continue to question the intelligence of the front office. Yes, they can read a schedule. No, they don't somehow "mismanage" the 40 man.

Everyone in baseball and almost all baseball fans of an intelligence recognizes it's one of the best run, if not the best run, teams in the majors. Until you can read all of the articles posted on this site and other places about how well managed the team is personnel-wise and rationally refute them, just shut up. And don't go screaming "BP" and certainly don't go screaming "Guthrie."

31-17. Best collection of young talent in the majors, cheap. If you think you can do better, prove it.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 7:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
Once again, I'm in violent agreement.  We're in first place, have a rosey future and all of this done with a payroll in the lower quarter of all of baseball - stunning.  But flawless - no.  No team is.  I've always said that if you could give Shapiro Cashmen's bankroll to work with, everybody else would be playing for WS runner-up.  And something else - they learn from their mistakes - and yes they made some.  Which is why I was taken aback when I saw that they'd sent Marte back down.  It just seemed inconsistent - that's all.  And the other poster's are probably right - circumstances - Fultz and Caberra sudden inconsistency, the tough schedule - contributed to the move.  I was just taken by suprise.
Sometimes you just gotta be gritty

by mauichuck on May 28, 2007 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
My point isn't that they're flawless. It's that they're not stupid. To go to Jay's rationale, find a reason why they would do this or be forced to do this-they're professionals and they're good at their jobs.

This knee jerk of "They really screwed this up I would've done so much better" every time we have to freaking option someone is absurd. They're job involves walking an absurd tightrope and like any team there are hiccups. But it makes more sense to figure out why it happened than to bring up Phillips and Guthrie.

It's not even you I was really responding to; I just can't take any assertion that they make mistakes for anything other than understandable reasons at this point. In other words, they don't make mistakes because they're Steve Phillips brain-dead. They make them because their jobs are hard.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
Agreed
Sometimes you just gotta be gritty

by mauichuck on May 28, 2007 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
It's clearly about adding an arm to the bullpen now;  it's only about Marte if they don't bring him back when the pitching staff is reduced to 12 again.

In order to get another pitcher on the roster now, they really had no other option (Michaels/Delucci, Shoppach, and Rouse are the other bench guys).

by palcal on May 28, 2007 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
Except that barring a DL stint, Marte can't come back for ten days.  They may decide to swap out an arm for a bat in the next ten days, bringing  up an outfielder for a quick stint.

by Jay on May 28, 2007 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
"Fultz and Caberra sudden inconsistency"? What are you kidding me, those to guys have live arms but neither has ever had a one full good season in the majors.  They are the poster boys for inconsistency.  We shouldn't think they would suddenly turn into dominant pitchers over night.  Heck, I believe Fultz was a poor off season pick up to begin with.  I was honestly surprised he has pitched decently until recently.  This isn't a minor bad period for Fultz, it is the beginning of the decline.  With Caberra we will see him bounce back but it might not be till July.
Winners practice like Champions, losers go through the motions.

by E5 on May 28, 2007 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fultz has a live arm?!
Hello E5,

No offense, but Fultz does not equal Cabrera when it comes to stuff - quite frankly, I don't think it's even close.  And in terms of performance, Fultz has been far more consistent than Cabrera; we're talking all of 2 bad outings, back-to-back.  He walked a guy tonight, but also got an out as well, so that's a slight improvement.  Cabrera has had what, 4-6 consecutive bad outings?  What about Hernandez, who's had maybe 2-4 good outings all season?  He's been the worst one of all in my opinion, followed by the already-departed Davis, followed by Cabrera, and then maybe Fultz in terms of overall worse performance.

Also, Fultz did do quite well in 2005 with the Phillies:

4-0, 2.24 ERA, 62 G, 16 GF, 72.1 IP, 47 H, 21 R, 18 ER, 6 HR, 23 BB, 54 K

His 2000 season with SF wasn't bad either, outside of the ERA, which isn't really the most meaningful stat to judge a reliever in my opinion:

5-2, 4.67 ERA, 58 G, 18 GF, 1 SV, 69.1 IP, 67 H, 38 R, 36 ER, 8 HR, 28 BB, 62 K

Therefore, your "never having one full good season in the Majors" isn't accurate in my opinion.

Let's not write off Fultz just yet - every one is entitled to a few bad outings - look at Borowski, and he's doing pretty well overall for the most part.  Hernandez and Cabrera are both bigger bullpen concerns at this point in my opinion.

Just my 2 cents.  :-)

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on May 28, 2007 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
I know a lot of it was in the minors, but in 2005, Cabrera had a 1.32 ERA, with 97 K's over 82 IP, and was nearly as dominant in the majors as he was in Triple-A.  It was a model of dominance and consistency.

I would pretend to know what the hell happened after that, but if he dominated for a whole season, nobody would be saying he came out of nowhere.  We'd be saying, "Finally!"

by Jay on May 29, 2007 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed - I hope that "Finally!" comes
sooner rather than later!  
Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on May 30, 2007 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
(Yawn) The only surprising thing about this is that some are surprised at it.

by Thommy on May 28, 2007 9:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
You have to wonder that if Hernandez doesn't step it up here soon that he would be removed from the roster in favor of someone with options.  It would seem like a good idea to give a reliever like Mujica or Perez an extended shot to establish himself.  If I were Shapiro, I would hate to trade any talent for a reliever other than a consistent 'lights-out' guy.  And how many of those guys are out there and available for cheap.  This move really does not do that, but its kinda in that vein.

I'd rather see Shapiro trade for a position player at the deadline than middle reliever.

by JK in CBus on May 29, 2007 3:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
The Marte situation was mishandled, like it or not. He should be our starting third baseman. When Garko's inevitable declines happens, then what? We realized we wasted months of Marte's development?

by Joe. on May 29, 2007 3:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
If and when Garko swoons, Marte will have had regular AB's in Buffalo for a few weeks or more rather than rotting on the Cleveland bench.  Doesn't that seem far preferrable?

Sometimes things don't unfold like we expect.  One guy slumps and gets injured before ever settling in, another two guys are on a roll.  Isn't that the whole story here?

by Jay on May 29, 2007 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
Oh, don't get me wrong, I much prefer he be sent to Buffalo than for him to be a platoon player. I would just rather he be a starter.

If Garko somehow gains some plate discipline, then maybe Blake becomes a platoon outfielder in right with Nixon once Marte returns.

by Joe. on May 29, 2007 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
I more or less agree with you, but we're 17-10 for the month of May, and guess which two guys have been carrying this team at the plate?

by Jay on May 29, 2007 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
Then why do you more or less agree with him ?  You made no sense with that roundabout statement.

Marte hasn't performed like Garko and Blake so he's the odd man out for the time being.  It's pretty simple.

Blake's ability to play 3B has really helped the Indians this year.  If not for him they'd have had to play Rouse while Marte was out- and he's certainly not as capable as Blake.  

by SpringTrainingFun on May 29, 2007 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
Sorry, I left out a few words.  I meant to say that I more or less agree with him about Marte -- that he deserves a full-time shot, and that long-term that will work out best for the team.

To me, the problem isn't that we shouldn't start Marte, it's that we shouldn't stop starting Garko and Blake.  My issue is the deference given Nixon, whom Wedge has not replaced with a righty pinch-hitter all season, and who has gotten far too many starts against LHP even if it's only five (a guess).

So to me, the win-now problem is that we should have Marte in there rather than Nixon sometimes.  But the develop-Marte problem is that even that kind of usage probably will hinder his development more than playing everyday for Buffalo.

by Jay on May 29, 2007 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
Absolutely right about Nixon who looks like a albatross trying to eat a hamburger every time he hits against lefthanded pitching.

by NickFantana on May 30, 2007 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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