Marte optioned; Perez recalled
According to The Tribe Report on MVN Andy Marte was optioned to Buffalo today in favor of Rafael Perez. I can't find any confirmation of this on official sites yet. Apparently they're looking to go short on the bench but long in the pen. I'm not sure if this is a bigger indictment of the perceived value of Marte or worries about the team's pitching going into a tough series with Boston. We really didn't burn the pen out lately and outside of JoBo, everyone should be pretty much available. Maybe I'm missing something, but since Marte can't be recalled for 10 days, I'd bet that Fransisco or Guitierez will get the call. I feel for Marte. Update [2007-5-28 15:3:55 by mjmarble]: Here's the confirmation from ESPN wire services.
0 recs |
68 comments
Comments
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
by mauichuck on May 28, 2007 2:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
by APV on May 28, 2007 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
by E5 on May 28, 2007 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
by APV on May 28, 2007 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
by mkwng on May 28, 2007 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
by mauichuck on May 28, 2007 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
by one size more on May 28, 2007 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
two questions:
- I was about to say, "yeah, if a dude's never going to play, might as well get something of value for him," but then I realized I was pretty sure we didn't. I totally forgot what happened with Guthrie going to Baltimore. Did we get anything for him? I honestly just blanked and can't find any info on it right at hand (note: I am lazy).
- Is anyone else a big comic book fan who keeps expecting Jeremy to be one of Cannonball's many siblings? Seriously. I'm always like "yeah, so what's your mutant power, kiddo?"
by AngG on May 28, 2007 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: two questions:
This happens to marginal players all the time -- we lost Guthrie and picked up Mike Rouse by the same method. So in a way, you could say that Rouse is who we got for Guthrie. And clearly we needed a defensively gifted infield backup more than we needed Guthrie.
by Jay on May 28, 2007 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: two questions:
by AngG on May 28, 2007 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
The option rules are designed specifically to prevent teams from stockpiling talent. The Indians stockpile talent in the high minors (most of it marginal) as well or better than any other team.
It obviously follows that the rules will force them to give up some of that talent sometimes -- that's the whole reason those rules exist.
by Jay on May 28, 2007 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
by drerikbrady on May 29, 2007 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
And what sense does it make to say, we don't want to option him this season purely because we'd like to option him next season? You're just taking next season's possible problem and converting into a definite problem in the present.
Now is when we need the option; now is when we're using it.
by Jay on May 28, 2007 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
I'm happy that Marte will at least be playing everyday now.
by APV on May 28, 2007 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
by ploni on May 28, 2007 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
by mauichuck on May 28, 2007 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
by Jeffrey R on May 28, 2007 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
i'm not sure what the agreement situation was with koplove (would we lose him if we didn't bring him up soon?) but i would rather have emoo available through this stretch rather than on hold for 14 days. i love rafael, and fultz seems to be having some control problems lately (8 balls in last two outings), but with two shaky lefties going against boston this series (and boston 2nd in the league in ops vs lhp) i would rather have another righty strike-thrower in the pen right now.
and why isn't ferd injured already? is the team having some fit of conscience or something? he can't have like a strained hamstring or sore back already?
by emil minty on May 28, 2007 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
Wedge: I just felt better going with Nixon. He's been putting together a lot of quality ABs, and it seemed like Verlander was going to be tough to get to.
Shapiro: Oh, okay, just wanted to make sure nothing was wrong.
[awkward silence]
Shapiro: So, listen, not to question the call or anything, but when exactly are you going to use Marte?
Wedge: Well, I like the kid, he's an option. But I'm just not feeling like he's my best option on a lot of days, at least not until he gets his bat going. Casey looks good at third, and Nixon's moving around a lot better lately out there, so that factors in.
Shapiro: Uh-huh.
Wedge: But mostly, I just feel like I want Nixon in the lineup, the kind of ABs he's putting in there, maybe if he's slowing down or once Marte get warmed up and starts swinging the bat better.
Shapiro: Well, you know, that's the thing, how's he going to get warmed up if we can't find any ABs for him?
Wedge: Yeah, that's a problem, but I'm just putting my best lineup out there, that's all. I can't see worrying about him warming up when we've got ballgames to win.
Shapiro: So basically, you're going to start Marte, like, once a week.
Wedge: Yeah, like I said, maybe more once he gets warmed up, we'll see how Nixon's holding up. Probably not much this week. Don't see us coming up against too many lefties anyway. I gotta think we want Trot out there in Boston either way.
Shapiro: Yeah, that's a ballpark for lefties, too. I can't say I'd feel great about Marte coming up in some big situation in Fenway. It's a bit much, and he hasn't really settled in yet to begin with.
Wedge: That's about what I'm thinking.
Shapiro: You want to see if we can get his bat going in Buffalo? Would that make it a better situation for you? I'm not crazy about doing that, and we'd need to make clear he hadn't done anything wrong. But I just don't see him getting settled in at the plate if he's on the bench.
Wedge: Well, you know before I was feeling like I should put Casey in there if that was going to come up. Now, it's more like Casey's already in there, he's in right, and now I've got Nixon on the bench, so if I send in Nixon for Marte in that situation, now they're going for the lefty.
Shapiro: Right. So what I'm hearing here is mainly that you don't feel like putting Marte in there is going to be the best thing, most of the time. Maybe ever.
Wedge: Well, like I said, I like the kid, he just hasn't gotten it going, and the other guys are going great.
Shapiro: So is there any downside to pulling him? Are you going to come up with a situation where you're wishing you could go to him.
Wedge: Some situation, sure, it could come up. But we've got some pretty good other guys to go to if that's what we need to do. We're pretty well covered.
Shapiro: You know who we could get is Perez, he's available now. Especially with the lefty situation in Boston. And we probably need to be a little worried about racking up some big innings in the bullpen, what with the guys we're starting up there. It could be a problem.
Wedge: I like Perez.
Shapiro: You really weren't going to give Marte any ABs, were you.
Wedge: No, I wasn't.
Shapiro: Okay, then, it's settled. Wish you'd been more upfront about this a week ago, though. Now all those genius blog people are going to think I'm an idiot.
by Jay on May 28, 2007 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
by AngG on May 28, 2007 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
by Jeffrey R on May 28, 2007 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
by oxforddave on May 28, 2007 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
by Jay on May 28, 2007 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
That was a fine impersonation of Terry Pluto.
by SpringTrainingFun on May 29, 2007 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
by Jay on May 29, 2007 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
by volapuk on May 28, 2007 2:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
If it is it just shows that I was right that they should have left him in the minors at first. He has not played much since being recalled and he would have been much better suited to get some playing time at AAA. I am sorry but every day this kind of thing happens it reminds me of B.P.
by E5 on May 28, 2007 2:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
by KeithHernandez on May 28, 2007 3:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
by APV on May 28, 2007 3:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
by APV on May 28, 2007 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
Something else to keep in mind is that the Indians have only had one day off during the entire month of May, which you would think would be harder on relief pitchers than anyone else. I definitely think the move has more to do with bolstering the bullpen than it does with Marte.
Of course I thought it was stupid that they were letting Marte molder away on the bench anyhow. If he's in Cleveland, he should be playing every day, in my opinion. At least he'll get to play down in Buffalo.
by Jackdaw on May 28, 2007 3:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
by MTF on May 28, 2007 4:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
How soon do they switch back to 12 pitchers?
Which pitcher goes?
Which position player comes up from Buffalo?
by palcal on May 28, 2007 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
by mauichuck on May 28, 2007 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
by Jeffrey R on May 28, 2007 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
Also, Wedge wouldn't use Hernandez against Detroit, how likely is Wedge to use him against Boston.
The most likely relievers today unless it is a blowout are Mastny, Perez, and Koplove.
by palcal on May 28, 2007 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
by KeithHernandez on May 28, 2007 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
Unless Koplove proves ot be very useful very soon, I doubt he survives much longer. Perez might permanently occupy the 7th BP spot with Fultz having control problems (never hurts to have another lefty), or Mujica could of course be called up again, or the Koplove/Perez combo could just serve as a stopgap until Miller gets better.
Speaking of which, what is Miller's progress? He's pretty much always dependable when he isn't injured (which isn't often). Is he due back by June? Mid-June? July?
by one size more on May 28, 2007 4:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
by dgcambridge on May 28, 2007 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
by one size more on May 28, 2007 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
by LAIndianfan on May 28, 2007 4:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
by Jay on May 28, 2007 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
by Fundamentals on May 28, 2007 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
May 19 0 R 1.0 1 SO
May 20 0 R .2 2 SO
May 24 0 R 1.0 1 SO
May 26 0 R 1.0 2 SO
by haymister on May 28, 2007 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed; also, I think Hernandez is having more
Hello everyone,
While Fultz's recent control troubles are a problem, let's not forget that it's more the fact that both Cabrera and Hernandez have been unreliable for longer than Fultz has been why we need another fresh, hopefully reliable, arm out there.
Chances are, Fultz will be reliable again, like he has most of the season until recently. However, to this point, can we say the same about Cabrera, and especially Hernandez? I don't think so. And Koplove probably hasn't shown enough to this point to be considered a late-inning option - he's more-less a mop-up man/long man at this point until he shows more consistent command. That's the main reason I think Perez was brought up - both being a lefty, and hopefully, providing another reliable reliever - Wedge can't keep using JoeBo, Mastny, and Betancourt, with Fultz sprinkled in, and not have it affect the bullpen long-term - someone else will need to help, and right now, Cabrera and Hernandez are unable to do that (which is why I find Hernandez warming in the bullpen while Lee was struggling to be puzzling, to say the least.)
Just my 2 cents. :-)
by indiansfan on May 28, 2007 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
Also (don't use an exclamation point, don't use an exclamation point), we're going up against three righties in a row, so Rouse is the more probably pinch hitter than Marte anyway.
by fleerdon on May 28, 2007 5:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
by dgcambridge on May 28, 2007 6:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
That's not insignificant by any means, specifically because he is such a slow starter. But the brass is making every decision with the clear #1 objective being maximizing wins with the parent club. This wasn't as obvious last year while they waited out Jason Johnson and than (unfortunately) didn't need to make that the priority.
This may come with a corollary effect of slightly stunting developmental paths; but if Marte is any kind of player, he should be able to overcome this stuff.
by cheech99 on May 28, 2007 6:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
Everyone in baseball and almost all baseball fans of an intelligence recognizes it's one of the best run, if not the best run, teams in the majors. Until you can read all of the articles posted on this site and other places about how well managed the team is personnel-wise and rationally refute them, just shut up. And don't go screaming "BP" and certainly don't go screaming "Guthrie."
31-17. Best collection of young talent in the majors, cheap. If you think you can do better, prove it.
by afh4 on May 28, 2007 7:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
by mauichuck on May 28, 2007 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
This knee jerk of "They really screwed this up I would've done so much better" every time we have to freaking option someone is absurd. They're job involves walking an absurd tightrope and like any team there are hiccups. But it makes more sense to figure out why it happened than to bring up Phillips and Guthrie.
It's not even you I was really responding to; I just can't take any assertion that they make mistakes for anything other than understandable reasons at this point. In other words, they don't make mistakes because they're Steve Phillips brain-dead. They make them because their jobs are hard.
by afh4 on May 28, 2007 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
by mauichuck on May 28, 2007 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
In order to get another pitcher on the roster now, they really had no other option (Michaels/Delucci, Shoppach, and Rouse are the other bench guys).
by palcal on May 28, 2007 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
by Jay on May 28, 2007 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
by E5 on May 28, 2007 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fultz has a live arm?!
No offense, but Fultz does not equal Cabrera when it comes to stuff - quite frankly, I don't think it's even close. And in terms of performance, Fultz has been far more consistent than Cabrera; we're talking all of 2 bad outings, back-to-back. He walked a guy tonight, but also got an out as well, so that's a slight improvement. Cabrera has had what, 4-6 consecutive bad outings? What about Hernandez, who's had maybe 2-4 good outings all season? He's been the worst one of all in my opinion, followed by the already-departed Davis, followed by Cabrera, and then maybe Fultz in terms of overall worse performance.
Also, Fultz did do quite well in 2005 with the Phillies:
4-0, 2.24 ERA, 62 G, 16 GF, 72.1 IP, 47 H, 21 R, 18 ER, 6 HR, 23 BB, 54 K
His 2000 season with SF wasn't bad either, outside of the ERA, which isn't really the most meaningful stat to judge a reliever in my opinion:
5-2, 4.67 ERA, 58 G, 18 GF, 1 SV, 69.1 IP, 67 H, 38 R, 36 ER, 8 HR, 28 BB, 62 K
Therefore, your "never having one full good season in the Majors" isn't accurate in my opinion.
Let's not write off Fultz just yet - every one is entitled to a few bad outings - look at Borowski, and he's doing pretty well overall for the most part. Hernandez and Cabrera are both bigger bullpen concerns at this point in my opinion.
Just my 2 cents. :-)
by indiansfan on May 28, 2007 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
I would pretend to know what the hell happened after that, but if he dominated for a whole season, nobody would be saying he came out of nowhere. We'd be saying, "Finally!"
by Jay on May 29, 2007 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed - I hope that "Finally!" comes
by indiansfan on May 30, 2007 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
by MTF on May 28, 2007 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
by Thommy on May 28, 2007 9:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
I'd rather see Shapiro trade for a position player at the deadline than middle reliever.
by JK in CBus on May 29, 2007 3:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
by Joe. on May 29, 2007 3:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
Sometimes things don't unfold like we expect. One guy slumps and gets injured before ever settling in, another two guys are on a roll. Isn't that the whole story here?
by Jay on May 29, 2007 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
If Garko somehow gains some plate discipline, then maybe Blake becomes a platoon outfielder in right with Nixon once Marte returns.
by Joe. on May 29, 2007 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
by Jay on May 29, 2007 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
Marte hasn't performed like Garko and Blake so he's the odd man out for the time being. It's pretty simple.
Blake's ability to play 3B has really helped the Indians this year. If not for him they'd have had to play Rouse while Marte was out- and he's certainly not as capable as Blake.
by SpringTrainingFun on May 29, 2007 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
To me, the problem isn't that we shouldn't start Marte, it's that we shouldn't stop starting Garko and Blake. My issue is the deference given Nixon, whom Wedge has not replaced with a righty pinch-hitter all season, and who has gotten far too many starts against LHP even if it's only five (a guess).
So to me, the win-now problem is that we should have Marte in there rather than Nixon sometimes. But the develop-Marte problem is that even that kind of usage probably will hinder his development more than playing everyday for Buffalo.
by Jay on May 29, 2007 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Marte optioned; Perez recalled
by NickFantana on May 30, 2007 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

by 
















