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Game Thread: May 28, 2007

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Cleveland at Boston, 7:05 PM (STO)
Memorial Day

Starting Pitchers:

Boston: Curt Schilling (3.94 ERA, 30 PRC)
Cleveland: Sleepy Kitten (5.93 ERA, 7 PRC)

The Indians had favorable matchups for each game of the Detroit series; this series, not so much. Josh Beckett will be coming off the DL tomorrow, and Dice-K will pitch on Wednesday.

The Indians optioned Andy Marte to Buffalo today, calling up Rafael Perez in his place. My first impression: makes sense short-term, but this might bite the Indians come next season. More after the game.

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Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
We just got our first taste of KC last week.  But the Red Sox still haven't played the Devil Rays yet.  That's like 20% of their remaining schedule.

by dgcambridge on May 28, 2007 6:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
former dirt dog Trot Nixon gets a gritty tribute from NESN

by mkwng @ Let's Go Tribe! on May 28, 2007 7:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Lineup:

Cleveland:

  • Sizemore - CF
  • Blake - 3B
  • Hafner - DH
  • Martinez - C
  • Nixon - RF
  • Peralta - SS
  • Dellucci - LF
  • Garko - 1B
  • Barfield - 2B

Boston:

  • Lugo - SS
  • Crisp - CF
  • Youkillis - 1B
  • Ramirez - DH
  • Drew - RF
  • Lowell - 3B
  • Varitek - C
  • Pena - LF
  • Pedroia - 2B
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by mjmarble on May 28, 2007 7:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Eh - we got Schilling to throw 19 pitches that inning.  I'll take it.
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by mjmarble on May 28, 2007 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
At least it took Schilling 19 pitches to get thru the 1st

by TribeLoverInNewYork on May 28, 2007 7:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Jinx.
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by mjmarble on May 28, 2007 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I don't know if MLBTV showed this, but NESN keep the broadcast going so that they could show Trot run out and take his place in RF.

by dgcambridge on May 28, 2007 7:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
For those of us listening, what happened?
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by mjmarble on May 28, 2007 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Just a nice ovation.  Lots of signs and Trot shirts.  He gave the appropriate wave of the glove.

by dgcambridge on May 28, 2007 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
ortiz not in the lineup.  good for us, bad for my fantasy team.

NESN said its actually possible he might not play a game in the series.  Feeling ill.

by MikeCP on May 28, 2007 7:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Sound like "bar fight" to me.  Or maybe, "kicked in the thigh by my woman."

by dgcambridge on May 28, 2007 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I'm sure you're willing to make the sacrifice.  Take two of the pink stuff...
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by mjmarble on May 28, 2007 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Boston radio said he had a sore hamstring.

by FranklinScott on May 28, 2007 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Coco Crisp creates outs?!? Incredible.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 7:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Oops, did I miss the LGT ovation for Crisp?

by dgcambridge on May 28, 2007 7:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Oh. Sorry.

clap

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by mjmarble on May 28, 2007 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Well, Cliff's attacking the zone. Well done.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 7:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
This ump loves the low strike tonight.

by dgcambridge on May 28, 2007 7:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Wait, did I miss something or did Lee go 1-2-3?  Hmmm...
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by mjmarble on May 28, 2007 7:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Watching this game on local cable.  100% Dick free!

by dgcambridge on May 28, 2007 7:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Trot's high school career, from Wikipedia. Weird-I always see Trot's hometown as Durham. Durham is not Wilmingotn.

Nixon attended New Hanover High School in Wilmington, North Carolina, and as a senior, he was named the State Player of the Year in both football and baseball. In football, as a senior, he broke school passing records held by former National Football League quarterbacks Sonny Jurgensen and Roman Gabriel. In baseball, as a senior, he was named Baseball America Magazine's High School Player of the Year, named the State Player of the Year, and helped lead his team to the State 4A title, and he finished his impressive senior season with a .512 batting average, 12 home runs and a state-record 56 RBIs, and pitched 40 innings with a 12 win-0 loss record and a 0.40 ERA record.

Regardless, pretty incredible.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 7:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
that's kind of touching, actually.

by AngG on May 28, 2007 7:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Is there any statistical evidence that backs up that V-Mart swinging at the first pitch all the time is similar to when he went in those month-long slumps from yesteryear?

by ASP on May 28, 2007 7:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Vic, first pitch swinging for his career:

.404/.402/.627 1.029

Some kind of mistake with that BA/OBP but otherwise should be accurate: http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/bsplit.cgi?n1=martivi01&year=00

You'll have to go elsewhere for a reason to rip on the best hitting catcher in baseball.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
sorry, I wasn't trying to rip on Joe Mauer. Oh, you mean Victor. No, I wasn't trying to rip on him either, lately he's just been having some of those at-bats that he had during those awful slumps.

by ASP on May 28, 2007 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Quite simply, Joe Mauer is not as good as Victor.
I've changed my mechanics and now I throw over 100.

by Brad D on May 28, 2007 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I don't think its a mistake.  You can't walk on the first pitch.

I absolutely love how we see a lot of pitches.  But I will also forever be the site's apologist for the right of players to go to the plate looking for their perfect pitch to drive right away.

by dgcambridge on May 28, 2007 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Umm, did Trot kind of look like he was going to cry?

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 7:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Does crying in baseball affect one's grit factor?
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by mjmarble on May 28, 2007 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Somebody spent their holiday weekend on this one:  "Gone, but not forTrotten"

by dgcambridge on May 28, 2007 7:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Nice move by the fans and by Schilling.

I'm respecting BoSox fans a bit more now. Shiver

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by mjmarble on May 28, 2007 7:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
It was classy but they will revert to normal

by TribeLoverInNewYork on May 28, 2007 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I was hoping Schilling was gonna lay up a fat changeup and Varitek would tip him off for the poetic solo shot.

by NickFantana on May 28, 2007 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Besides the lack of people, I imagine this is the kind of response Omar would get upon returning to the Jake.

by one size more on May 28, 2007 7:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Yep.  We need a new adjective to describe him.  Because he's just not gritty.

by dgcambridge on May 28, 2007 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
This is true. I realized once I typed it that was in poor taste. sorry. :\

by AngG on May 28, 2007 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Let's not knock what apparently is working...
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by mjmarble on May 28, 2007 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
C'mon Garko...  
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by mjmarble on May 28, 2007 7:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Schilling has 5 K's already?  What happened to his being hittable of late?
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by mjmarble on May 28, 2007 7:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
That's OK...38 pitches thru 2 to get those 5 K's

by TribeLoverInNewYork on May 28, 2007 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Well, he's given up more hits than Cliff Lee.

by Jay on May 28, 2007 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
How much you want to be that lasts?
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by mjmarble on May 28, 2007 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Although I'd take it of course...
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by mjmarble on May 28, 2007 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
How many ABs in a season defines a rookie?

by ploni on May 28, 2007 7:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
What ever happened to our Boston Tea Party?  I was at "Over the Monster" and I kinda pitied them.  Then I remembered it was the BoSox.

Would tomorrow be a good night for it?

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by mjmarble on May 28, 2007 7:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Though I will say the Boston lineup is a good 40-45% less fearsome without Ortiz in there.

by Jackdaw on May 28, 2007 7:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
And about 50% less cholesterol.

by one size more on May 28, 2007 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fenway
GameCast's little picture makes clear just how ridiculous this place is.  Who ever thought that was a reasonable set of dimensions?

by Captain Pabst on May 28, 2007 7:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I'm not able to watch just yet.  Has Cliff covered first base yet?

by Jay on May 28, 2007 7:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
He stopped between the mound and first and played with a ball of yarn for a second and then took a nap.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Nice.
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by mjmarble on May 28, 2007 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Wait a second; Grady could've been a QB at Washington? Why have I never heard about this before?

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 7:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Sizmore's favorite player growing up: Bo Jackson.

Calling BS. Grady was 11 when Jackson played his final game. This is like oden saying he liked watching the Lakers-Celtics growing up. I guess Oden loved Dee Brown and Eddie Jones.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 7:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
My favorite player was Brook Jacoby, and I saw him the last time when I was 8 or 9, so it's possible.

by one size more on May 28, 2007 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I just can't understand how someone wouldn't develop a new favorite player. You're that loyal to a player, even after seeing and remembering thousands of more innings of different players?

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Maybe he only watched ESPN Classic as a kid?

by Jackdaw on May 28, 2007 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Plus, growing up in the Northwest, how many times could he have seen Jackson play? A handful? Less?

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
In Grady's defense, everything I've read about him makes me think he sometimes forgets what decade he's from.

by AngG on May 28, 2007 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Do throws to first base count against your pitch count?

by doowop on May 28, 2007 7:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
No. There was a brief discussion a week or so ago about how many throwovers equals one pitch.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Rally time!
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by mjmarble on May 28, 2007 7:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Does Skinner go for the double steal here?
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by mjmarble on May 28, 2007 7:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Is Skinner in charge of that? As opposed to Wedge?

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I figure he has leeway to make that call.
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by mjmarble on May 28, 2007 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Double steal? We did it once this year, right?

by one size more on May 28, 2007 7:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Well, we do have our two basestealing threats on.

Ok, we had our two basestealing threats on.

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by mjmarble on May 28, 2007 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Ugh, we should have been running. Oh well.

by one size more on May 28, 2007 7:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
i feel like i read a ton of this blog but i missed the origin of the sleepy kitten.  is that just cause he didn't cover first?

by MikeCP on May 28, 2007 7:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
actual origin: my bff and i were on the phone in 2005 watching some espn covered game, and they started interviewing cliff after he came out of the game.

cliff looked like he needed a nap.

my friend: oh! he's like a sleepy kitten!

it kind of stuck. and then suddenly became incredibly apt recently when clifton didn't cover first.

by AngG on May 28, 2007 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
If anyone on the Indians is going to start the triple play, it should be Casey Blake.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 7:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
mlbtv way behind. I had 2 called strikes on gc by the time we got back.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 7:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
That "C" on Varitek's jersey makes me want to puke.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 7:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Maybe one of those Boston hockey references?
Sometimes you just gotta be gritty

by mauichuck on May 28, 2007 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Is Lee working unusually fast? The Red Sox guys are all over it but I can't tell if they're just not used to it.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 7:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I guess a perfect game was too much to hope for.

by Jackdaw on May 28, 2007 8:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Interesting. Hamilton noticed that Garko had his left foot on the bag, so he couldn't stretch like he normally would. Could have been the difference on that play.

by Jeffrey R on May 28, 2007 8:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Yeah, difference or not, what's up with that?

by dgcambridge on May 28, 2007 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Cliff thinks this Ump is working him.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 8:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
there's been two missed strikes so far

by MikeCP on May 28, 2007 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
39 pitches for Cliff and 53 for Schilling after three innings.

by Jackdaw on May 28, 2007 8:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Don't forget, Schilling will be allowed to throw plenty of pitches.  He's not coming out at 110 if he's on.

by dgcambridge on May 28, 2007 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Then Schilling goes out and throws a 8 pitch inning.  So much for working the count.
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by mjmarble on May 28, 2007 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I'll take it.
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by mjmarble on May 28, 2007 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Cliff is giving me weird confidence.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 8:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Better that than a weird tingling feeling

by APV on May 28, 2007 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Cliff Lee makes you want to go to the bathroom?
"The hibachi is coming to a city near you. I'm cooking chicken and shrimp, but if you want to throw a double team my way, filet mignon gets cooked too"

by Rayman @ Let's Go Tribe! on May 28, 2007 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I love these Sox guys complete obliouvness to the Indians issues. They're describing Victor's throwing problems and saying he "at one time" had problems but has worked hard and turned himself into a major league catcher.

That's about as bad a mischaracterization of Victor's situation as I can imagine a commentator making.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 8:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Why is Schill getting that call if Cliff's not?

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 8:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
the ump discriminates against kittens.

by AngG on May 28, 2007 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
He might say something bad about the ump on his blog. Or to his Everquest buddies.

by one size more on May 28, 2007 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
agreed those strikes on v-mart better be called from now on or us

by MikeCP on May 28, 2007 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
NESN showing "Best Trot Nixon Fights"

Terrible inning by everyone there.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 8:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
It looked promising in the first - not so much now.
Sometimes you just gotta be gritty

by mauichuck on May 28, 2007 8:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
8 pitch inning for Schilling so he's at 61 through 4

by palcal on May 28, 2007 8:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
This is the kind of comment Joe Morgan makes and I scoff at but:

Our guys look tired.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 8:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Well, as I mentioned in another thread, they have had only one day off in the entire month of May....usually teams get three or four.  Plus the strain of a road trip, etc.

by Jackdaw on May 28, 2007 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I love that these Red Sox guys are letting this guy talk about health insurance during their half of the inning.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 8:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
It's embarassing for them.  Are they really that short on cash?

by dgcambridge on May 28, 2007 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Gotta come up with the balance of Dice-K's money
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by mauichuck on May 28, 2007 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I love how into the insurance this guy seems, yet he's just a guy from the advertisement?

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
why are the redsox announcers interviewing dave matthews about health insurance?

by emil minty on May 28, 2007 8:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
He also has really, really small hands.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
What?  He predicts how long marriages will last?  

He should do comedy with Rick Dempsey.

by dgcambridge on May 28, 2007 8:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Remy broke his air guitar?

More ridiculous: Remy or Heinsohn?

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 8:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Heinsohn.  Many times over.  He makes me hate him.  And basketball. And Boston.  He really is my least favorite, in any sport.  I honestly have to turn him off.

Remy makes me laugh sometimes.  Like with his pizza throw commentary.

by dgcambridge on May 28, 2007 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Is this the Cliff Lee implosion inning?
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by mauichuck on May 28, 2007 8:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
yes it is.  cliff is serving up a big plate of meatballs here in the 4th

by mpstable on May 28, 2007 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
That might be enough for them tonight.

I long ago released any expectation of winning tonight.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 8:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
the worst thing is, after the ad spot is over, the redsox guys keep talking about it for 5 minutes

by emil minty on May 28, 2007 8:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
When exactly did the wheels come off for Lee?
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by mjmarble on May 28, 2007 8:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Lee is getting squeezed like crazy, and Fat Actress gets a 100 foot strike zone.

No wonder Boston has such a good record.

by one size more on May 28, 2007 8:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I used to go to a bar in Circleville Ohio that served a double-double (four shots) and a Gambrenus beer for $3 - those were the days!
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by mauichuck on May 28, 2007 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
On a brighter note, Choo has his 5th straight 2 hit game tonight.

by haymister on May 28, 2007 8:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I'm speechless
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by mauichuck on May 28, 2007 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Does every ballplayer have the same wife?

by SuddenSam on May 28, 2007 8:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Nah, but they have a pool of wives to chose from.
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by mauichuck on May 28, 2007 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
They had this thing where Trot's wife threw out the first ball, accompanied by the Red Sox wives.  You couldn't tell them apart.  Than that foul ball went into the Schilling family box and there was Mrs. Stepford.

by SuddenSam on May 28, 2007 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
ballplayers have effed up and crazy rigid beauty standards?

yeah, i got nothin'.

by AngG on May 28, 2007 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
At what point does Wedge get someone up in the pen?
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by mjmarble on May 28, 2007 8:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Howdy, all.  I just tuned in.  How long has Cliff been making you nervous?

by Thommy on May 28, 2007 8:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
So I'm always a little sad that Wily Mo Peña's name is pronounced "Willy," not "Wile-y."

by AngG on May 28, 2007 8:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
30 pitches and counting for the inning...

by APV on May 28, 2007 8:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Hernandez is throwing in the 'pen? gulp
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by mjmarble on May 28, 2007 8:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Relax, guys.  Some pitcher named Hernandez is up in the pen.  Isn't his first name Felix?

by Thommy on May 28, 2007 8:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Yep, he was the PTBNL in the Jason Davis deal.

by Jackdaw on May 28, 2007 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I thought we got some guy named Jones for JD
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by mauichuck on May 28, 2007 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
So the Stanley Cup Finals are still on VS. network? That sort of sucks. I don't get VS.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 8:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Throw strikes Cliffy! Quit nibbling!
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by mjmarble on May 28, 2007 8:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
seriously hard with this ump.  i feel for cliff

by MikeCP on May 28, 2007 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Well, most of the non-nibbles turned into doubles.

by Jackdaw on May 28, 2007 8:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
That could've been much, much worse.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 8:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
It really could have.
Dominating both LGT Fantasy Baseball Leagues.

by mjmarble on May 28, 2007 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Woo!

All things considered, could have been much worse. Though of course Cliff won't make it past 6 throwing that many pitches.

by one size more on May 28, 2007 8:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
OK, I'll take it - 2 runs on three doubles and a wild pitch.  Not much of a meld down.
Sometimes you just gotta be gritty

by mauichuck on May 28, 2007 8:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Hmm.  Well.  He got out of that with only two runs.

Maybe Schilling will have cooled off after that long break.

Maybe.

by doowop on May 28, 2007 8:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I think the sight of Oldberto loosening was just the motivation Cliff needed. I used to have a ton of confidence in Lee, now it is nerve wracking to watch him.
I've changed my mechanics and now I throw over 100.

by Brad D on May 28, 2007 8:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Yep, that was pretty minimal damage, all things considered.

by Jackdaw on May 28, 2007 8:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
i'm getting this feeling while playing the bosox that i haven't experienced since probably the late 90's.  One in which I simultaneously hate the red sox and all their fans.

by MikeCP on May 28, 2007 8:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I have that feeling toward the Red Sox even when we're not playing them.

by Jackdaw on May 28, 2007 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Alright, maybe I'm being a stupid fan, but the zones look different.

I'd like to see Wedge get thrown out.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 8:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
look at that low strike to delucci.  ridiculous

by MikeCP on May 28, 2007 8:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Delucci needs to start praying more.
Sometimes you just gotta be gritty

by mauichuck on May 28, 2007 8:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Anybody watching NESN? I think Schilling just likes having people stare at his ankles.

by Thommy on May 28, 2007 8:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
anyone listening to hammy?  is he making a stink about the zones?

by MikeCP on May 28, 2007 8:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I'm sort of half-listening to Hammy. I have yet to hear any mention of the strike zone.

by Jeffrey R on May 28, 2007 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I'm really bad at judging these things. Don't "veteran" pitchers usually get a lot more borderline calls? Is this that kind of strike zone, or is this beyond that?

by AngG on May 28, 2007 8:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Yeah, I always wonder if I'm being a biased idiot.

That said, they're both trying to live low in the zone and Schilling's being allowed to and Cliff's not. That's how it looks to me anyways.

Plus, Cliff isn't a rookie. He deserves whatever Schill's getting.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
/nod

That comment wasn't me questioning y'all. That was me, like, seriously, having no spatial intelligence to speak of. :D

by AngG on May 28, 2007 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Alright, hold them down one more inning Cliff. Top of the worder next inning, Schilling at 80 pitches. Perfect storm.

whispers: White Squall

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 8:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Now the president of the Boston Public Library? This is cracking me up.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 8:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Very odd stuff indeed.  Are they even paying attention to the game?

by Thommy on May 28, 2007 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Does anyone still regret trading Coco?

by Jackdaw on May 28, 2007 8:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
is he getting booed?

by portlandtribefan on May 28, 2007 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I think there's a solid chance it's just a trade everyone forgets. Obviously, he's not really what Boston needed or wanted. Marte still is completely up in the air. I hope it becomes a trade that we all love (i.e. Marte becomes an all-star) and it has plenty of time to do that.

Still, as of now, it's the kind of trade nobody has clearly won. We have more time to win it.

I guess my point, which I've meandered to, is that I can't imagine any Indians fans sitting around in a bar in 10 years kvetching about how absolutely horrible this trade was. It's either going to be forgettable or a win.

If it had to be someone, might as well be Manny.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I agree.  But I hope it's now clear to all the people who wailed and gnashed their teeth about the deal at the time that we were not trading away a really valuable player.

by Jackdaw on May 28, 2007 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Somebody tell these guys there's a game going on.

by SuddenSam on May 28, 2007 8:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
wish i could watch the game i frigging paid for

by emil minty on May 28, 2007 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I usually love Manny's swing but that one I did not appreciate.
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by Brad D on May 28, 2007 8:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I have to admit, somewhere inside me I still feel that if Manny's happy, I'm happy.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 8:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Manny. we are not celebrating our birthday early.

... Because that is not celebratory for me, that's why. &gt:O

by AngG on May 28, 2007 8:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
and i totally fail to properly shouty face at manny.

by AngG on May 28, 2007 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Nice polo shirt choice, Prez of the BPL.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 8:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
if we end up losing this game 3-0 I'll give a great big "eh"

by MikeCP on May 28, 2007 8:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
This oughta be the last inning for Clifford.
Sometimes you just gotta be gritty

by mauichuck on May 28, 2007 8:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Alright, I'll take that out of Cliff. It's pathetic but 3 runs in 5 innings is not so far from my hoped for scenario from Lee.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 8:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Eyeball high strike to Grady.
I've changed my mechanics and now I throw over 100.

by Brad D on May 28, 2007 8:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I hope we gets some runs - even if we lose.  I just don't want ESPN to spin this into a BoSox lovefest.  You know: Fat Actress shuts out number one ML offense - or something like that.
Sometimes you just gotta be gritty

by mauichuck on May 28, 2007 8:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
To do that they would have to recognize that someone other than the Yankees or Red Sox was the best at something. Therefore, that will not be the storyline.
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by Brad D on May 28, 2007 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I should be over this at this point in my life but...

No matter what happens, it will be a BoSox or Yankees lovefest.

You think that this year, now that the Yankees stink, that they might fade out a little.  Instead, the lead on every BBTN is OMG WTF IS WRONG WITH THE YANKEES?!?

by doowop on May 28, 2007 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
If only every team that far back in its division got that much coverage.

by AngG on May 28, 2007 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Ok, I just got done with dinner. What'd I miss?

by gte619n on May 28, 2007 8:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
schilling's strike zone is 4.5 feet wide.

by emil minty on May 28, 2007 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I guess his strikezone is proportionate to his girth. The man is shaped like a weeble with legs. Plus, I heard the bloody sock was fake.

by gte619n on May 28, 2007 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I am not a huge Schilling fan, but I doubt the bloody sock was fake.
"The hibachi is coming to a city near you. I'm cooking chicken and shrimp, but if you want to throw a double team my way, filet mignon gets cooked too"

by Rayman @ Let's Go Tribe! on May 28, 2007 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Wow, was that curve to Casey a strike? Negative.

by Thommy on May 28, 2007 8:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
anyone just see that first pitch called-strike to Blake?

by ASP on May 28, 2007 8:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Blake is our best player right now.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 8:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Lee gives up three doubles and a WP in the fourth for 2 runs and a Manny solo.  BoSox without Big Papi.  Schilling getting every borderline call - Lee is not.
Sometimes you just gotta be gritty

by mauichuck on May 28, 2007 8:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I don't like Curt Schilling.  I would like to see Hafner hit him in the face here.  Or jack a home run.

by APV on May 28, 2007 8:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Casey says f-you to the ump.

by portlandtribefan on May 28, 2007 8:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Hammy just pointed out that for every double that Pronk has, Blake has four.

by Jeffrey R on May 28, 2007 8:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Put that on the calender and check back in a few months.

by Thommy on May 28, 2007 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Pronk just doesn't look right to me, which is terrifying.

by gte619n on May 28, 2007 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Oh yeah, I'm sure that will change. I'm crossing my fingers that Pronk gets it going soon.

by Jeffrey R on May 28, 2007 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
hopefully pronk just needs the calendar to turn to june.

by MikeCP on May 28, 2007 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Hafner may belong near the bottom of the order.

by palcal on May 28, 2007 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Hafner's not even striking out nicely.

by ploni on May 28, 2007 8:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
And Victor is having none of that.

by AngG on May 28, 2007 9:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Casey went home so slow. Just mocking Crisp's arm.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 9:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
He's played with Coco, he knows he has a noodle arm.

by one size more on May 28, 2007 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
OK, we need us some grit.
Sometimes you just gotta be gritty

by mauichuck on May 28, 2007 9:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
It's been said before, but Pronk is certainly making himself affordable.

by supermarioelia on May 28, 2007 9:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
This is his bizarre way of giving us the hometown discount.
I've changed my mechanics and now I throw over 100.

by Brad D on May 28, 2007 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
And it's not like he's got one thing wrong.  He can't hit low strikes, he can't hit high strikes - he just can't hit.
Sometimes you just gotta be gritty

by mauichuck on May 28, 2007 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Well, Hafner's calling card is pitch recognition, right? It appears he just can't see the bal right now which is better than if he was struggling with something specific, at least in my opinion. It's not that he's got a sudden weakness, it's that his head's just not right. Seems easier to fix.

And yeah, I've heard that low and away stuff. I don't buy it. Hafner pokes that stuff for basehits like wild.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
The guy needs to either start wearing his contacts or get the vision surgery, I say.

by Jackdaw on May 28, 2007 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Shilling's at 99 pitches...does he come out in the 7th?

Here's to hoping he doesn't.

by APV on May 28, 2007 9:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Alright Schilling's at 99. Need a shutdown performance from some unheralded reliever and we need to pound Schilling next inning.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 9:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Can someone explain the difference between "gritty" and "gutsy" to me?

by gte619n on May 28, 2007 9:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Gritty is a mindset whereas gutty is a single play. Also, gritty involves facial hair.
I've changed my mechanics and now I throw over 100.

by Brad D on May 28, 2007 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
gritty feels like sand. gutsy feels like play-doh.

by AngG on May 28, 2007 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Put 'em together and you get "gritsy".

by Jackdaw on May 28, 2007 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Have we discussed the Marte move?  Is this just a temporary thing to get an extra arm for a few days?

by doowop on May 28, 2007 9:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
We'll find out when they go back to 12 pitchers.

by palcal on May 28, 2007 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
See the mjmarble diary.  It's starting to look like "War and Peace" and brandini hasn't even chimed in yet.
Sometimes you just gotta be gritty

by mauichuck on May 28, 2007 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Hafner's line for May is strange.  He's hitting .190, but his OPS is still around .750 and he's got 4 HRs.  Hardly stellar and certainly not what we expect out of Hafner, but it's not as if he's been a complete nothing

by APV on May 28, 2007 9:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
For what it's worth, Hafners BABIP has dropped below .280

by gte619n on May 28, 2007 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Oldberto's pitching as if he wants to go 2 innings tonight

by APV on May 28, 2007 9:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Ahh, it's good Hernandez! Glad to have you here, sir!

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 9:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
We'll find out when they go back to 12 pitchers.

by palcal on May 28, 2007 9:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Is Oldberto getting the Cliff zone or the Schilling zone?

by Jackdaw on May 28, 2007 9:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
oldberto threw that one down the chute.

by doowop on May 28, 2007 9:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Definitely a good thing Beckett is coming off of DL as opposed to just in his normal rotation.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 9:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Isn't the DL Beckett's normal rotation?

BahDING!

by gte619n on May 28, 2007 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Oh no he didn't.
I've changed my mechanics and now I throw over 100.

by Brad D on May 28, 2007 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Hernandez earns a return in the 7th.

by palcal on May 28, 2007 9:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Wow. Surprisingly good play by Jhonny.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 9:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
It was a really nice play.  And Underwood's all, "meh."

by rog on May 28, 2007 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Gutsy, gritty, crafty - whatever - I like it.
Sometimes you just gotta be gritty

by mauichuck on May 28, 2007 9:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Cagey?
"The hibachi is coming to a city near you. I'm cooking chicken and shrimp, but if you want to throw a double team my way, filet mignon gets cooked too"

by Rayman @ Let's Go Tribe! on May 28, 2007 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Looks like our under-25 talent just took a big hit...

by APV on May 28, 2007 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Does he now qualify as a veteran holding back Cabrera?
I've changed my mechanics and now I throw over 100.

by Brad D on May 28, 2007 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Me to, let's get Brandini on this.
I've changed my mechanics and now I throw over 100.

by Brad D on May 28, 2007 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
*too
I've changed my mechanics and now I throw over 100.

by Brad D on May 28, 2007 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Now let's see if we can work Schilling for 20-25 pitches this inning and get him outta here
Sometimes you just gotta be gritty

by mauichuck on May 28, 2007 9:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
That's a decent AB by Dellucci but a sad final swing.

Peralta stealing a base = bizarre.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 9:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Gritty at-bat by... um... at-bat-guy.

by doowop on May 28, 2007 9:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Looked more like Jesse's girl there.
Sometimes you just gotta be gritty

by mauichuck on May 28, 2007 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Any body know when the last time Boston used Papelbon?
Sometimes you just gotta be gritty

by mauichuck on May 28, 2007 9:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Damn. Waste of a rare Peralta steal.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 9:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
We may get a dose of him tonight then
Sometimes you just gotta be gritty

by mauichuck on May 28, 2007 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Love the Grady playing Wiffle commercial. That is priceless.
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by Brad D on May 28, 2007 9:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Wait, you got a Grady commercial? Are you sure you wouldn't rather buy something at Dicks?

by gte619n on May 28, 2007 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
No... thank God for STO.
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by Brad D on May 28, 2007 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Better acting - the kids or Grady?

by rog on May 28, 2007 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Can you imagine if Grady had a puppy in this commercial? Between that and palying with little kids the women would just fall apart.
I've changed my mechanics and now I throw over 100.

by Brad D on May 28, 2007 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Nah. The kids are too old and sassy for prime "awwww" factor.

by AngG on May 28, 2007 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Oh shit.  Fultz warming up in the pen.

by doowop on May 28, 2007 9:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Down by 2 runs, Wedge is not going to "waste" his pets.

by palcal on May 28, 2007 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
How many of these diving plays Garko makes are normal plays for normal first basemen?

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 9:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Alright, I cannot believe that just happened.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 9:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Some guy who just spit on himself took us fake deep.

by NickFantana on May 28, 2007 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Unlike the last 3 nights, this is not the Indians night.  Of course, Hernandez is pitching.

by palcal on May 28, 2007 9:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
If anyone on this team is going to give up an inside the park HR, it should be Casey Blake.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 9:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I just think if any Indian is going to do something absurd yet terrible, it should be Casey. That's his rep.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Right.  So he won the title from Peralta then.  

by Thommy on May 28, 2007 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
That was ugly. That fatty is still sucking wind.
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by Brad D on May 28, 2007 9:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Wait, seriously... what?! Kevin "Wheels" Youkolis? I mean, what? That's the 1B!! C'mon!

by gte619n on May 28, 2007 9:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Can someone explain to my media-impaired ass how Youkilis hit an inside-the-parker?

by APV on May 28, 2007 9:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Remember how Fenway Park is quirky?  Well, it turns out that the quirkiness is so powerful, it allows 265 pound first basemen to "sprint" around the bases and score EASILY!  It bounced off the triangle in centerfield got past Grady and Trotter threw it in from leftcenter.

by NickFantana on May 28, 2007 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Someone on the Tribe brought some bad juju tonight

by APV on May 28, 2007 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Gotta be Rafael Perez right?  I mean, no one else showed up since Detroit.  Might be an opportunity for another exorcism, if he ever pitches.

by NickFantana on May 28, 2007 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Do you think Perez is already there?  Maybe the juju is filling the space left by Marte...

by APV on May 28, 2007 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Good news: Youkilis is going to have to go on the DL with chest pains after that sprint.

by NickFantana on May 28, 2007 9:30 PM EDT reply actions  

You know it's Boston's night when Youkilis
can get an inside-the-park HR, on what looked like to be a wind-aided ball - I don't think Youkilis hit it THAT well, as it looked like he got underneath it just a bit, and that's the deepest part of the ballpark.

Doesn't mean the Indians can't win tonight (a testament to them still being in this game,) but when things like that happen, the slight advantage would seem to shift toward Boston's favor.  

Just my 2 cents.  :-)

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on May 28, 2007 9:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Seriously, I did not see that coming. It's like getting kicked in the nuts by the invisible man.

by gte619n on May 28, 2007 9:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Nice analogy.
I've changed my mechanics and now I throw over 100.

by Brad D on May 28, 2007 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Only if you have the invisible man's family there and they videotape it and force you to watch the replays over and over again....and then you go home and in a few hours you realize that the you made it onto the 11 o clock news.

by NickFantana on May 28, 2007 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Check that out.  Our LOOGY walked his guy.

by doowop on May 28, 2007 9:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Maybe Wedge didn't specify which guy.

by Thommy on May 28, 2007 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Well that coaching stint with Willis seemed to have worked......not.
Sometimes you just gotta be gritty

by mauichuck on May 28, 2007 9:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
first two strikes he's thrown in three appearances

by emil minty on May 28, 2007 9:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Where was Dellucci?!
Hello everyone,

Not to pick on Dellucci, as he's looking better at the plate lately, but that ball bounced so far off the triangle that you would have thought Dellucci wouldn't have been too far away from it.  If Dellucci had hustled toward left-center, MAYBE Youkilis would have only had a triple and/or been thrown out at home plate (at least there would have been a play at the plate.)

Of course, someone might question too why Hernandez was still pitching, but for the most part, he hasn't looked too bad tonight.  If he could become serviceable again, that can only help us long-term.

Just my 2 cents.  :-)

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on May 28, 2007 9:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Where was Dellucci?!
If he could become serviceable again, that can only help us long-term.

Right.  One reclamation project I can handle, but now with Koplove up we're over quota.

by Thommy on May 28, 2007 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Where was Dellucci?!
Borowski and Betancourt are also reclamation projects.

by Jay on May 28, 2007 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Where was Dellucci?!
When he finally retrieved the ball, it took him a while to get rid of it. Looked like he'd given up. NOT GRITTY  

by madherb on May 28, 2007 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Oh, thank god we got out of that with only the Youkilis inside the parker.  I was worried about Drew stealing home from first.

by NickFantana on May 28, 2007 9:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
It's about [wearing hats and gloves made of the the skin of your] teammates.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 9:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Huh? Wha?
Sometimes you just gotta be gritty

by mauichuck on May 28, 2007 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
The Reds fan on the Dick's commercial. He's incredibly scary.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Wait, Youkilis hit an inside the parker? C'mon, do you think I was born yesterday!? You're a liar.

by gte619n on May 28, 2007 9:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I've got my little league rally cap on

by APV on May 28, 2007 9:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
JC Romero. Hmm. I might like this.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 9:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Hey!  Their bullpen is like ours.  Sorta.  Kinda.

by doowop on May 28, 2007 9:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I'd settle for be a walker.
Sometimes you just gotta be gritty

by mauichuck on May 28, 2007 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
C'mon, Pronk!

by mkwng @ Let's Go Tribe! on May 28, 2007 9:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
So, these Dick's commercials have succeeded in their goal right?  I mean, we all assume that MC Sports or  Dunham's bought those spots to destroy Dick's MLB clientele right?

by NickFantana on May 28, 2007 9:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Wait a minute - Javi Lopez is pitching now.  I thought he was a catcher.
Sometimes you just gotta be gritty

by mauichuck on May 28, 2007 9:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Apparently, Javi Lopez is not as uncommon a name as you might think.

by gte619n on May 28, 2007 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I thought he was lead singer in a mariachi band

by APV on May 28, 2007 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Ok, here comes a Pronk 3-run inside the parker.

by gte619n on May 28, 2007 9:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
No...a 6-run inside the park HRer

by APV on May 28, 2007 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
It's really scary when I hope Travis just doesn't hit into a 6/4/3.

by Thommy on May 28, 2007 9:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
i have my doubts about that 2-1 pitch.

by doowop on May 28, 2007 9:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I hate emoticons...but if I could make a crying emoticon I would right now

by APV on May 28, 2007 9:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Hafner is lost at the plate.  Move him to 6th in the order.

by palcal on May 28, 2007 9:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Does he have any options left?  I hear Keith Ginter is really tearing it up in Buffalo...

by APV on May 28, 2007 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
i have my doubts about that 2-2 pitch.

(Anyone else having refresh problems?)

by doowop on May 28, 2007 9:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Shitty umpiring. Nearly every pitch in AB was the same. Either they're all balls or all strikes.

Whatever, it's better than a DP. Do it Vic.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 9:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Low and away, low and away.  It's like giving kryptonite to Superman.
Sometimes you just gotta be gritty

by mauichuck on May 28, 2007 9:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I haven't seen the whole game. Have the Indians' pitchers been getting these same calls?

by gte619n on May 28, 2007 9:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
No.  Schilling's zone was blimp-sized.

by doowop on May 28, 2007 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Pronk's slugging is now down more than 200 points from last season.

by Jay on May 28, 2007 9:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Listen, I didn't say it, but...

Is the wrist bothering him?

by gte619n on May 28, 2007 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Umm, why did Grady stop at third? I know you want to be safe, but, it's Coco Crisp out there.

by Gradyforpresident on May 28, 2007 9:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Umm, did Grady really need to stop?

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 9:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I think the complaining would have been pretty intense had he been doubled up.

by Jeffrey R on May 28, 2007 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
True, but we weren't talking about him staying close to the bag. He could have jogged into home.

by Gradyforpresident on May 28, 2007 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Well, I only have the radio feed, but Hammy made it sound as though Grady was concerned the ball may have been caught, so he couldn't start running until he was certain it would fall.

by Jeffrey R on May 28, 2007 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Now a GS by the Trotter would just destroy the BS  fans1
Sometimes you just gotta be gritty

by mauichuck on May 28, 2007 9:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Oh man I thought that looked good off the bat.

by Gradyforpresident on May 28, 2007 9:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Grit is stabbing your old team in the back!

by mkwng @ Let's Go Tribe! on May 28, 2007 9:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Jhonny is 0-6 vs. Donnelly.  He's due.

by Thommy on May 28, 2007 9:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
C'mon Jhonny.  One for your bhirtday!

by Otto on May 28, 2007 9:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Shit!
Sometimes you just gotta be gritty

by mauichuck on May 28, 2007 9:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Damn. Ballgame. Surprised they made it this close. Kudos to the bullpen.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 9:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Wait! I think there might be another inning!

by Jeffrey R on May 28, 2007 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Bah. I'm headed out. Bring this one home for us, LGT'ers.

by Gradyforpresident on May 28, 2007 9:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Now, Matt Underwood just said "Goodbye" after Varitek struck out.  I just turned the game on an inning ago, so please tell me this isn't a habit he's developing.

by nickjs21 on May 28, 2007 9:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Delluchi/Barfield/Garko.

Murder's Row.

by gte619n on May 28, 2007 9:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Alright that's been a strike all day for the Sox pitchers. Ridiculous.

by supermarioelia on May 28, 2007 9:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
koplove is a seriously twitchy dude.

by AngG on May 28, 2007 9:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Is he as twitchy as Joe Nathan?  To me he's still the gold standard of twitchiness.

by Jackdaw on May 28, 2007 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Nah. Koplove's just got more of this constant low grade fidget going. Like "hang on hang on i gotta go pace around for a minute. brb"

by AngG on May 28, 2007 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
"i told you to go before we left the bullpen, mike!"

"...but i didn't have to go then."

by AngG on May 28, 2007 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Ther'es something appealing about Koplove but I doubt it works for more than a few batters at a time.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 10:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I agree with your complete statement completely.

by ploni on May 28, 2007 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I freaking hate sidearm pitchers.  Doesn't matter which team they play for.  Still can't stand 'em.

by Otto on May 28, 2007 10:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Really? I like the variety they bring to the game. Similarly, I wish there were more knuckleballers out there.

by Jeffrey R on May 28, 2007 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Ahh, so Koplove is from the Fultz school.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 10:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Just so I'm clear, we sent down Eddie Moo for this guy?

by gte619n on May 28, 2007 10:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Koplove looked like a spaz going to first.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 10:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Detroit's up 5-4 on Tampa going into the bottom of the 9th

by APV on May 28, 2007 10:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I say we get one baserunner in the 9th, and nothing comes of it.

Can't win em all.

I hope they prove me wrong ... Boy, I'm negative tonight.

by nickjs21 on May 28, 2007 10:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I am going to burn down a Dick's Sporting Goods before this season is over. I hope somebody from MLB sees this, it's a warning. You're going to make me do it.

by gte619n on May 28, 2007 10:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
David, do not let your nun friend down! :O She will be very disappointed in you.

by AngG on May 28, 2007 10:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
13 of the last 29 hits we've allowed have been doubles. And that's even with a start from Groundball Carmona in there.

by supermarioelia on May 28, 2007 10:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Ryan Garko, did you ever know that you're my hero.  You're everything I wish I could be...

by APV on May 28, 2007 10:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Garko has the speed of a gazelle... a gazelle that has been shot... dead...

by gte619n on May 28, 2007 10:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Argh, I've been fooled by Hammy again!

by Jeffrey R on May 28, 2007 10:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I think Hammy only has one eye and no depth perception

by APV on May 28, 2007 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
one good single out to do it here... i'm still not feeling confident for some reason.

by nctribefan on May 28, 2007 10:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
crap. i said something.

by nctribefan on May 28, 2007 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Uh oh... this could down to Pronk with the game on the line...

by Jeffrey R on May 28, 2007 10:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
that was 8 inches above what was getting called a strike for curt

by emil minty on May 28, 2007 10:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Delluchi/Barfield/Garko.

Murder's Row.

by Jay on May 28, 2007 10:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
BENTACOURT?!?!

As I said last night:

Career ERA: 3.5
Career ERA on 0 Days Rest: 4.88

WHY WEDGE?! I KNOW YOU'VE GOT THESE NUMBERS.

by gte619n on May 28, 2007 10:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Maybe Wedge uses metrics other than ERA to evaluate his relievers.

by Jeffrey R on May 28, 2007 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Holy shit, you have got to calm the hell down.

Let's see the same splits for everyone on the staff.

Be sure to include the number of innings so we can understand the sample sizes we're dealing with.

by Jay on May 28, 2007 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
It will be very difficult for Casey to hit into a triple play here.

by doowop on May 28, 2007 10:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Worst case scenario out of Sizemore.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 10:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Not to jinx it, but did anyone notice Blake has a 980 OPS for the month?

by Jay on May 28, 2007 10:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Just got back from the Captains game... looks like we have a chance to pull this out!

LET'S GO TRIBE!!!

Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on May 28, 2007 10:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
How about Papelbon throw one to the screen??

by gte619n on May 28, 2007 10:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I believe in Hafner. I truly believe.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 10:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Oh Jesus, that is bull**
Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on May 28, 2007 10:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Wow, the umps are really jobbin' the Tribe tonight.

by gte619n on May 28, 2007 10:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
i do believe in hafner. i do. i do.

by AngG on May 28, 2007 10:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
How is he out?! Shouldn't that be foul?
Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on May 28, 2007 10:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
wait, why do the NESN announcers think Blake is out?
is that not a foul ball, then?

by nctribefan on May 28, 2007 10:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Dude, what a crock. Make 'em pay, Pronk.
Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on May 28, 2007 10:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
If he did swing, why hasn't anyone thrown to first to get him out?

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 10:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
so, we're playing under protest, right?

by AngG on May 28, 2007 10:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Sweet. I hope we get to protest another game.

by Jeffrey R on May 28, 2007 10:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Credit to the Sox announcers for giving the pro-Indians argument there.

by supermarioelia on May 28, 2007 10:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Seriously. I'm sure he had kicked some dirt on the umps we would have won that argument.

by Jeffrey R on May 28, 2007 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Wha happened?

by Kos @ Let's Go Tribe! on May 28, 2007 10:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Dude, it's bulls**t like this that makes me hate Boston and their fans.
Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on May 28, 2007 10:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I'd guess that a ball has to hit the bat to be called foul, so that was a K.

by Thommy on May 28, 2007 10:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Then shouldn't the runners be allowed to advance? They treated it like a deadball.
Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on May 28, 2007 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
i didn't see the catcher throw to first.

by nctribefan on May 28, 2007 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
But it wasn't caught. So doesn't Casey get to race to first?

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Dear Red Sox,

Hope you enjoy your win!

Love,
~ Chuck Merriweather

Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on May 28, 2007 10:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I went from not caring about this game to being infuriated in about .4 seconds.

Does anyone understand the call?

And does anyone know where the hell Travis Hafner is?

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 10:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I think that he should have had to throw Blake out at first - did blake run down there?

by Thommy on May 28, 2007 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I have no idea. They sure didn't call him out there. They called him out right after the conference.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
the umpires just stole a game from us.  and its not like the red sox need a lot of help winning.  
why do we keep getting stuck with the most brain dead umpires?

by mpstable on May 28, 2007 10:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
maybe tomorrow we'll get to play a real game

by emil minty on May 28, 2007 10:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Let's hope this pisses us off so bad that we'll put the fear of God into those asshats tomorrow.
Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on May 28, 2007 10:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Any chance Wedge protested this one too? Haha MLB still owes us one.

by supermarioelia on May 28, 2007 10:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
6.05
A batter is out when --

(f) He attempts to hit a third strike and the ball touches him;

Although that wasn't a real swing.

Turf Toe -- Sports skewered weakly (and weekly.)

by emd2k3 on May 28, 2007 10:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
damn. then I guess it's just a judgment call on the swing.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Still doesn't answer the question of whether or not the ball needs to be caught and, if it isn't, if there needs to be a play at first.

by NickFantana on May 28, 2007 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
here's the rules.

unfortunately, as i read it, a batter is out when he tries to swing at a third strike and it hits him, regardless of whether the catcher catches it.

by nctribefan on May 28, 2007 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
When Hafner struck out on a ball that hit him against the angels a couple of weeks ago, the runner on first went to second when the ball got away. So is the ball dead or not? I guess it is dead when the ump calls time.

by oxforddave on May 28, 2007 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
So he's out, but the runners could have advanced? I don't remember where the ball ended up...

by haymister on May 28, 2007 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
well, Hafner's subsequent at-bat renders that irrelevant in this particular case, but it would make sense for it to be a dead ball.

by nctribefan on May 28, 2007 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
though i guess they could have both scored, depending where the ball ended up.

by nctribefan on May 28, 2007 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Sure it does.  He's out.  That's the end of it.

by Jay on May 28, 2007 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Rule 6.05(b) makes a batter out if:
b) A third strike is legally caught by the catcher;

Rule 6.05(j) covers in part the dropped third strike:
j) After a third strike or after he hits a fair ball, he or first base is tagged before he touches first base;

Rule 6.05(f) reads logically in context that a third strike swing that then hits the batter is an out.

Rule 5.09(a) makes it a dead ball when a batter is hit.
(a) A pitched ball touches a batter, or his clothing, while in his legal batting position; runners, if forced, advance;

It's not quite appropriate obviously, but it's the closest thing that applies.
I haven't found any rule discussing whether the hands count as part of the bat.
I think the umpires applied the rules correctly to their "interpretation" of the play.

The circumstances made it more ridiculous.

by dave @ Let's Go Tribe! on May 28, 2007 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I personally thought the ump screwed up in the Angels game (by not calling the ball dead), but it was in the tribe's favor, and no one complained.

by oxforddave on May 28, 2007 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
As far as I know, the ball is dead any time any batter or runner is hit by it.  Regardless of whether the batter is safe or out, I don't see how you could let a team's runners advance just because the ball caromed off some body part the batter.  That would be an absurd rule.

by Jay on May 28, 2007 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Here is the pitch by pitch record of Blake advancing on the ball that hit Hafner. It was important, as it essentially gave the tribe their first run (it put Casey in scoring position, and Vic singled him home). Again no one complained, but it sure looks like a screw up by the ump.

Grady Sizemore    Strike (looking), G Sizemore flied out to center    0    0
Casey Blake    Strike (looking), Ball, Ball, Strike (foul), Foul, Ball, Ball, C Blake walked    0    0
Travis Hafner    Strike (looking), Ball, Strike (looking), Foul, Strike (swinging), T Hafner struck out swinging, C Blake to second on wild pitch by E Santana    0    0
Victor Martinez    Ball, Strike (looking), Ball, V Martinez singled to center, C Blake scored    1    0
Trot Nixon    Ball, T Nixon flied out to center    1    0

by oxforddave on May 28, 2007 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
This is Hafner's worst month since April 2003.

by Jay on May 28, 2007 10:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I didn't think we'd take this one, but now I ticked off.

Can we move Travis down in the order already?

Turf Toe -- Sports skewered weakly (and weekly.)

by emd2k3 on May 28, 2007 10:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Maybe tomorrow the umps will add runs to this game and we'll win 2 at once!

by rog on May 28, 2007 10:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Does Pronk have any options left?

... Just. Kidding.

by nickjs21 on May 28, 2007 10:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I wonder what happens though when the ump calls the play dead on a strike out when he shouldn't have.

by supermarioelia on May 28, 2007 10:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Yep, the good news is that even with the Boston pitchers' enormous strike zone and the insanity here in the 9th, we were still in the game with a chance to win it until the very end.

by Jackdaw on May 28, 2007 10:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Alright I'm signing out.

FUCK BOSTON.

by afh4 on May 28, 2007 10:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Wedge can say Lee gave us a chance to win, but Sizemore and Hafner did virtually nothing.

by palcal on May 28, 2007 10:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Heh, the Devil Rays pulled that game out. So at least Detroit didn't gain any ground.

by Jeffrey R on May 28, 2007 10:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I can't believe I stayed up for that. Anyway, I've been off my game tonight, so I'm going to finally get to sleep. Bleh. Night, all.

by AngG on May 28, 2007 10:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
The pitch looked like it went off the bat, making it a foul ball. Had it went off Blake's hand, he would have been in serious pain there.
Turf Toe -- Sports skewered weakly (and weekly.)

by emd2k3 on May 28, 2007 10:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
I think it's time for a haiku:

Hafner's in a slump;
Sizemore is having issues;
but still we're in first!

by Fiddlesticks on May 28, 2007 10:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Great night for Boston and Minnesota, who rose respectively to .700 and .500 tonight while the Yankees, Indians, White Sox and Tigers all lost.

The Yankees are an incomprehensible 13.5 games behind Boston, tied with the D-Rays for 8th place in the Wild Card race, 7.5 games back of Detroit.

by Jay on May 28, 2007 10:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Prior to today's games, the Yankees 3rd order Pythagorus wins would have them in second place. Based on their RS and RA totals one might expect them to bounce back in a big way. But as you point out, they have a ton of teams to climb over. Plus, while there is still a lot of season left, the clock is running. They must already be giving some serious thought to pulling the plug.

by Jeffrey R on May 28, 2007 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
That may be, but even if we take third-order standings at face value, that they should be a .573 team, the fact is, those 6.5 wins of under-performance are on the books at this point.  If they go .573 ball the rest of the way, they end up with 86 wins.

I think they need 95 wins to make the postseason, and that would take a .655 performance -- they'd have to play like a 106-win team.  And frankly, Pythagoras just doesn't have that kind of sock.

by Jay on May 28, 2007 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: May 28, 2007
Yes, this is exactly what I intended to convey... you did a better job of it than me.

by Jeffrey R on May 28, 2007 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thoughts on 2 issues!
Hello everyone,

Question:  It looked to me like Blake didn't swing the bat around until AFTER it hit him; as he tried to get out of the way, the bat went through the zone.  Therefore, shouldn't Blake have been on 1st, or at worst, got another pitch if the ball hit his bat?  Seems like a bad call to me, or at the very least, a very disputed call.

The other issue I have is, will Hafner ever break out of this?  He doesn't look at all like the same hitter.  I know he has a long track record of succeeding, but teams will probably continue to pitch him like they are until he makes an adjustment and not chase so many bad pitches like he did in his last AB and foul off so many pitches he usually drives.  The question is, what if he doesn't?  What if he's like this all year, or even into next year?  I doubt teams will go back to the way they used to pitch him.  

Question:  Would it be better to resign Hafner long-term or CC long-term if you could only sign one of them, and why?  For the record, I always thought Sabathia was #1, followed by Pronk, then Westbrook, but we've already signed Westbrook, so at most, we'll probably only be able to retain one of Pronk or CC.  The question is, which one would be easier to replace?  I keep thinking that CC's production will be harder to replace than Hafner's - opponents can keep walking/avoiding Hafner, and if he tries too hard like he's doing now, he'll keep getting himself out by either chasing garbage or fouling off pitches he'd normally crush.  

On the other hand, opponents can't avoid CC (barring injury, of course, but that would go for Hafner as well,) and even though CC only pitches once every 5 days, it seems to me you can replace a powerful hitter/slugger easier than you can an ace pitcher - 3 solid hitters in a lineup can make up for the lack of a slugger than 3 average pitchers can make for the lack of an ace (see mid-90s Indians.)

Just something to consider - the more I watch Hafner, the more I wonder if this slump will be broken soon or if this is something that Pronk will put up with all year, if not into 2008 as well.  He's never been in a slump for this long and looked this bad, and teams likely won't change their style of pitching as long as it's working - if Pronk can't make the adjustment, I'm not sure I see him being the consistent hitter he has been over the past several years.  I hope I'm wrong on that, but by now, he would have already gone into one of his hot streaks, regardless of what adjustments pitchers had made to him.  

If he wasn't chasing so many bad pitches and mishitting the few pitches that are in the strike zone, I probably wouldn't be as concerned and wouldn't be asking this, but I'm starting to think this will be more of a season-long slump for Hafner, not a month-long slump.  I hope I'm wrong when I say that.

Just my 2 cents.  :-)

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on May 28, 2007 10:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Thoughts on 2 issues!
even if Pronk is his 2006 self all the time, Sabathia is more irreplaceable... irreplaceabler... whatever.

the difference-maker is that CC will cost a bajillion dollars to resign, whereas Pronk might only cost a quarter bajillion dollars.

by nctribefan on May 28, 2007 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I'd rather spend the bajillion for a guy
opponents can't avoid and gives great production, versus spending "just" a quarter bajillion on a guy they can avoid and gets all out of rhythm by them avoiding him and throwing him junk.

In essence, I agree with you - I think CC is the more valuable of the two, but I get the feeling the Indians will have a better chance of keeping Pronk than CC, and will likely make a "better" effort to resign him than CC.  

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on May 28, 2007 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Thoughts on 2 issues!
My subjective view of Pronk's struggles as is bleak as anyone else's.  I watched him hit a grand slam in person, and still said out loud, "He's still not right."

That said, there are reasons not to be quite so despondent.  We feel like this is a two-month slump, but it isn't -- not at all.  The slump is worse than you think, but it hasn't lasted that long.

  • .185/.340/.333 over 23 games, since arriving in Baltimore on May 4.
  • .381/.494/.651 over 25 games leading up to that point.
  • May is Pronk's worst month, per career splits.
  • Although not this severe, May was Pronk's worst month in 2005 and a close second in 2004.

As bad as he's looked doing it, it's not unprecedented for a Scary Monster to put up a 673 OPS for a month.  And it would be hard to think of someone who, based on the both the excellence and consistency of his past three years, would be a better bet to bounce back.

I don't know what the Indians' last contract offer was to him.  Emotionally, I'm pulling that offer off the table before I get sick and pass out.  But intellectually, I'm moving in for the kill, and I'm not changing the number.

by Jay on May 29, 2007 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Thoughts on 2 issues!
When I own a baseball team, you're running it.

by afh4 on May 29, 2007 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Thoughts on 2 issues!
Well when I own a baseball team, I'm hiring away Shapiro to run it, just so I can beat Jay and afh4's team and rub it in their faces here on LGT every day.

by Jackdaw on May 29, 2007 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Thoughts on 2 issues!
I won't be the GM.  Antonetti is my GM, I'm just the team president.

by Jay on May 29, 2007 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Thoughts on 2 issues!
I just can't bring myself to worry about Pronk. It's been two months, his OBP is still really effing high, and we have to remember that he is the best hitter in baseball. Worrying about whether guys like Pronk and Pujols will hit just seems crazy to me. Pronk will probably go "April 2007 AROD" on the league here pretty soon and even out those numbers.

by Kos @ Let's Go Tribe! on May 29, 2007 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Thoughts on 2 issues!
Pronk needs everyone here to focus.  That's the problem.  We at LGT have game threads for Cavaliers' games.  We're talking about Wiffle Ball with Grady.  

That's not what Pronk needs right now.  Pronk needs the collective to concentrate on the pitch low and away.  Pronk needs us to see the ball with him.  Pronk needs us to get on the exercise bike and peddle like hell right before his at bat.

Seriously people, Pronk needs us.  We need to step up.  Who's with me?

-Erik

by drerikbrady on May 29, 2007 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Thoughts on 2 issues!
You mean like turn LGT into the Borg of baseball?  Sounds feasible to me - only I gotta jog before the Indians games in order to ensure a win.
Sometimes you just gotta be lucky

by mauichuck on May 29, 2007 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Thoughts on 2 issues!
Whatever it takes Chuck.  Pronk needs you.
-Erik

by drerikbrady on May 29, 2007 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Thoughts on 2 issues!
Like DD, Pronk needs to talk to a nun.

by kov on May 29, 2007 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is there a realistic chance he signs that contract
this year, maybe at the ASB like Lee did last year, or will we still have to wait for him and CC until after the 2007 season?
Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on May 30, 2007 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Regarding the Yankees!
Hello everyone,

I would think if the Yankees don't get it going in full force by July 4th, I'm thinking they'd have to give serious consideration to pulling the plug.  Boston isn't likely to slow down any time soon, and with the other three AL East teams standing in the Yankees' path, not to mention other teams in the WC hunt, going .500 or slightly above in June is not likely going to cut it.  I'm thinking they're going to have play at least .600 ball or more in June to really have a realistic shot of reaching the postseason in 2007, and right now, that looks like a very tall order, even for them and their $200 million dollar payroll (or whatever high figure it is these days.)

Not to rub it in, but it's nice to see the D'Rays tied with them - it seems the D'Rays are finally moving up in the world.  :-)

Just my 2 cents.  :-)

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on May 28, 2007 10:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Regarding the Yankees!
See above ... playing .600 ball would only get the Yankees to 89 wins.  That's how deep their hole is.

by Jay on May 28, 2007 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Regarding the Yankees!
Should the Yankees decide to screw it all and wave the white flag (Which they never will), that would be the greatest fire sale EVER.

by nickjs21 on May 28, 2007 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Regarding the Yankees!
Maybe so, but given some of the contracts and the age of the veterans on that team, who else could afford to buy?  And what kind of demands would the Yankees make in terms of prospects?
Unofficial Andy Marte and Joe Borowski Apologist. My fantasy team - Swindon SpecOps 27.

by woodsmeister on May 29, 2007 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Regarding the Yankees!
The Yankees almost always eat salary when they trade veterans.  Hell, for that matter, so do the Indians.

by Jay on May 29, 2007 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Regarding the Yankees!
There usually isn't as much salary to eat for the Indians though.  What a great GM we have.
-Erik

by drerikbrady on May 29, 2007 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I underestimated then! :-)
Hello Jay,

Thanks for the analysis - I didn't see your post until you mentioned it.  I knew their hole was deep, but not THAT deep.  They're in more trouble than I originally thought.  :-)

89 wins likely won't be enough for the WC; I would think at least 90, and probably more like 92-93 wins would be the minimum for winning the WC this year at this point.  Who knows?  Maybe even 95 wins might be needed; 93 wasn't enough for us 2 years ago and it wasn't enough for Seattle back in 2002 or 2003 (not sure.)

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on May 28, 2007 11:12 PM EDT reply actions  

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