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Andy Marte in Buffalo

The discussion sort of began in the diary about Minor League Action on fathers day but I figured it merited its own diary.

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What does everyone think of Marte's time in Buffalo thus far?  I haven't seen him play nor read any reports about how he looks on the plate or the field, but he seems to be making some improvements. Here's his line...

.265/.318/.541/.859 (7HR 22RBI 7BB 17SO)

That seems the the typical Andy Marte, at least at this point. Decent average, Decent pop in his bat.

But a look close shows that he had a Killer June...

.302/.367/.604/.970 (4HR 15RBI    6BB 10SO)

Hopefully this is a sign of him picking it up in AAA and making progress overall as a prospect. Do you guys think he's on a hot streak or perhap's he's finally settling down and correcting his swing. It seems to me that Marte is the epitomy of the excitable young player who tries to push himself to hard to impress his team.

That or maybe its just Marte being Marte. Look at his lefty vs righty splits.

.324/.375/.649/1.024 (3HR 7RBI 2BB 3SO)

.230/.284/.475/.759 (4HR 15RBI 5BB 14SO)   

So what do you think?

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Re: Andy Marte in Buffalo
I think a lot of people get upset with Marte beacuse of the strikeouts and the fact that they often come in bunches-he has a four strikeout game a week, it seems like.

I think he's follownig his pattern-he's heated up as the temperature did. It's hard to know if Andy is a guy who OPSes .950 in AAA. He looked like it when he put up an .870+ OPS as a 21 year old but his July last year was bad and at some point you can't keep giving him passes for having bad months. I already give him a lot of passes for bad Aprils/Mays.

Marte has a ton of talent and is 23. I think (read: hope) he's an average major league third basemen at the worst.

by afh4 on Jun 19, 2007 1:04 PM EDT   0 recs

Re: Andy Marte in Buffalo
I think I'm tired of scrutinizing a few dozen AB's.

by Jay on Jun 19, 2007 2:48 PM EDT   0 recs

Re: Andy Marte in Buffalo
regardless of sample size, i think the home run totals are encouraging

by Roger Dorn on Jun 19, 2007 2:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Andy Marte in Buffalo
What should we be scrutinizing then to determine if he's made progress since he's returned to Buffalo?

by world dictator on Jun 19, 2007 3:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Andy Marte in Buffalo
For my money (which is none), we shouldn't. If the FO determines that he's made enough progress, we'll know it, because they'll promote him. They'll make that decision based on data that we can only guess at, so it's not something I worry over when I think about this season -- particularly with Casey Blake playing well.

My only addition to this discussion is that Mark Shapiro knows a helluva lot more about exercising options than we do, and he didn't pull this trigger haphazardly. I have no doubt Andy Marte is in Buffalo because the organization believes it's what's best for him. He's still their third baseman of the future, and their concerns for him have got to run deeper than 2007.

by fleerdon on Jun 19, 2007 4:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Andy Marte in Buffalo
I suspect if Nixon continues to struggle and Marte keeps doing what he is doing, Marte will get called back up and Blake would end up with more RF time.

by talonk on Jun 19, 2007 4:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Andy Marte in Buffalo
Right now I think it's just as likely that Peralta is our third baseman of the future.  

If Marte continues with his on-a-game off-a-game play  and AstroCab keeps his current rate of improvement, I can see the FO moving Peralta to third - his best position - and playing Cab at short.  Marte problem solved.

Sometimes you just gotta be lucky

by mauichuck on Jun 19, 2007 6:57 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Andy Marte in Buffalo
What if Gutierrez keeps doing what he's doing?

Nixon's pretty much through, and Blake is playing solid 3B. I'd rather see more Gutz than Marte. Gutz has earned himself more playing time at the MLB level. Marte had his chance.

by BoDiaz1974 on Jun 19, 2007 4:44 PM EDT   0 recs

Re: Andy Marte in Buffalo
If Garko doesn't get back on track, I could see more PT at 1B for Blake then too.

Who's to say Gutz wouldn't take a few ABs from DD if his splits aren't horrible?

by talonk on Jun 19, 2007 4:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Andy Marte in Buffalo
Pffffft.

Marte had 50 ABs this year and hit .180/.212/.300.

FGutz has 39 ABs and has hit .231/.250/.385.

In other words, they've both been pretty abysmal in extremely limited ABs.

I want Marte to be down right now but this idea that he's there and Guttierez is up because Gutz somehow earned and Marte squandered it is more than a stretch. FGutz is up b/c Shap is all about platooning the corners, Choo is hurt, and Nixon/DD have not been very good. Alternately, Marte is down because Blake has played much, much better than expected.

Both of them are where they are largely because of factors they did not control. Both of them could've seized opportunities and done far more with them. Neither has.

Gutz' defense is fun and has lived up to expectations but defense is largely a matter of opportunity and standing out for weird reasons. Franklin stood out last night because he took a bad route, turned around a couple of times, and crashed into a wall. Everyone cheers and it's "great defense" but it was really about a bad read. His play in Cincinatti was great, regardless. But he gets to make it because Nixon is bad, not because Marte wasted his "chance."

by afh4 on Jun 19, 2007 5:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Andy Marte in Buffalo
This is somewhat off-topic (though not entirely, since it has to do with 3b).  Baseball America's Prospect Hot Sheet lists Kinston's Wes Hodges at #20, with the following remarks:  "Hodges has hit safely in 10 straight games since returning to the lineup from a two-week stint on the disabled list with a broken tow. He's hitting .475/.543/.625 with a home run and nine RBIs during the stretch."

Two questions:

(1)  When do they promote Hodges and thus put him directly in line behind Marte on the 3b depth chart?

(2)  When he was injured, do you supposed the trainer called a toe truck?

:-)

ken from alexandria

by ken from alexandria on Jun 19, 2007 5:05 PM EDT   0 recs

Re: Andy Marte in Buffalo
Even if Hodges goes up I don't think it makes a ton of sense to think of him as behind Marte on some kind of depth chart. Andy's only ten months older than him.

To me, Hodges would just be the third basemen at AA. It's not like he'd be in line to get called to Cleveland before Marte any time before next spring at the absolute earliest. And even that would be insane.

That said, I'm talking about unimportant semantics. I think he'll go up when Goedert is healthy enough to play third in Kinston. Hopefully that will help Jared as he won't have to deal with playing second. It's great to see Hodges hitting well though I could do for more power.

by afh4 on Jun 19, 2007 5:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Andy Marte in Buffalo
I would not think that Hodges promotion would have anything to do with Goedert's health.

by dgcambridge on Jun 20, 2007 8:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Andy Marte in Buffalo
Its kind of curious because at some point were going to have to trade some of these prospects.Assuming the market is decent, which is a big if, now would seem the time

by world dictator on Jun 19, 2007 5:40 PM EDT   0 recs

Re: Andy Marte in Buffalo
Which prospects? Our depth, as it often does, has dissipated pretty quickly. The only guy who's really redundant, tradeable, and still vaguely a prospect is Francisco.

Unless you want to trade pitching which isn't happening until Jake or Stanford forces the decision.

by afh4 on Jun 19, 2007 6:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Andy Marte in Buffalo
With those splits we should platoon him.
Champion of the Kelly Shoppach for Catcher campaign.

by E5 on Jun 19, 2007 10:41 PM EDT   0 recs

Re: Andy Marte in Buffalo
With?
Sometimes you just gotta be lucky

by mauichuck on Jun 19, 2007 10:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

With Michaels in LF!
Hello mauichuck,

Francisco and Michaels would make a perfect tag-team in LF.  Why do I say that?  

Here's why:

Francisco:

vs. RHP:
.367/.427/.557

vs. LHP:
.256/.315/.329

Michaels:

vs. RHP:
.263/.288/.439

vs. LHP:
.292/.382/.477

Looks like a perfect platoon to me!  :-)

Just my 2 cents.

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on Jun 19, 2007 11:38 PM EDT   0 recs

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