Oldberto ... gone gone gone
The Indians have released Roberto Hernandez and called up Ed Mujica and Ben Francisco.
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by Roger Dorn on Jun 20, 2007 3:17 PM EDT 0 recs
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Mike "Popster" Rouse.
Ruff Rouse.
The Rouster.
C'mon! Help out!
by gte619n on
Jun 20, 2007 4:02 PM EDT
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Okay, that was bad.
by emd2k3 on
Jun 20, 2007 11:18 PM EDT
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... I'm not that sorry.
by nickjs21 on Jun 20, 2007 3:18 PM EDT 0 recs
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by world dictator on Jun 20, 2007 3:28 PM EDT 0 recs
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by johnnyromano on Jun 20, 2007 3:32 PM EDT 0 recs
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Sorry for all the questions. I don't know where to find answers I trust. Westbrook is not on the 25 on the Indians website.
So...Mujica and Francisco can't go down for what, 10 days? So someone else is getting cut or moved when Westbrook is added for his start this weekend?
by afh4 on Jun 20, 2007 3:34 PM EDT 0 recs
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by woodsmeister on Jun 20, 2007 3:37 PM EDT 0 recs
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by afh4 on
Jun 20, 2007 3:41 PM EDT
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There is more spilt milk here besides last night's game - the loss of several million $$ and a high draft pick with pretty much zero return - but its not worth crying over, that's baseball.
Looking forward, the youth movement continues with the callup of Francisco and Mujica. It's no real surprise that Ben makes it up - he has been amongst the IL leaders in several offensive categories all season, showing the blend of speed, defense, avg and gap power that makes him profile as at least a 4th outfielder in the major leagues. Looks like he will actually get some at bats now and the most extended look in front of the Tribe brass since spring training when he made a very good impression.
Bringing Mujica up is a little surprising, especially since the proven righty specialist, Matt Miller, has done quite well and looks ready to go. Mujica hasn't had much success in his brief ML stints, and despite a good start in Buffalo this year, has proven vulnerable to the big inning, sporting a 6+ era (12.00 over his last 10 outings).
It could be that the decision to keep Stanford as the long man in the pen has already been made, and Mujica is here to hold down a spot until Westbrook gets put back on the roster this weekend. We'll see.
All in all, this is further encouragement that the brass will not be as patient with non-performing vets as they have been in the past, and that there is more emphasis on winning now, this year. Trot Nixon becomes the sore thumb sticking out in this regard, and probably the most difficult choice confronting Wedge and Shapiro, for many gritty reasons. Most likely he will lose some at-bats against righties to both Gutz and Ben, but remain the primary platoon guy for now.
by mcrose on Jun 20, 2007 3:48 PM EDT 0 recs
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by APV on Jun 20, 2007 3:49 PM EDT 0 recs
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by fleerdon on Jun 20, 2007 3:50 PM EDT 0 recs
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by JesseAK on Jun 20, 2007 3:51 PM EDT 0 recs
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Dellucci is on the DL, but a pitcher may have had to go on the DL for Miller to circumvent the 10-day rule.
This is just speculation, Jay may be able to confirm.
by mplswahoo on
Jun 20, 2007 3:56 PM EDT
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by APV on Jun 20, 2007 3:52 PM EDT 0 recs
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by AngG on
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Not a fan of Francisco being called, obviously. Gutierrez better start seeing significant playing time.
by Joe. on Jun 20, 2007 4:07 PM EDT 0 recs
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Jun 20, 2007 4:24 PM EDT
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by mcrose on
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by The DiaTriber on
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by stoicpaisano on
Jun 20, 2007 5:44 PM EDT
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Some clarifications on Francisco!
A few things about Francisco:
Shapiro said on a radio interview around the time of the draft when Gutierrez was the call-up from AAA Buffalo, that Francisco, NOT Gutierrez, has more pop. Gutierrez IS better defensively, though I think more the problem with Francisco that I've heard is his weak arm, not his range, as he has played all 3 OF positions on a regular basis. While I'm not sure he'd be able to cover the ground Gutierrez covers as easily as Franklin does it, it's almost a certainty that Francisco will have better range and be a better OFer than Dellucci, and probably be at least comparable to Michaels, so Francisco ISN'T a bad OFer; he just doesn't have Gutierrez's arm and probably not quite the same range, but we're not talking about another Dellucci defensively either.
Personally, I'd like to see what Francisco can do; we've seen what Marte can do to this point and Marte still can work on the consistency of his ABs from AB to AB and from game to game; plus, if the Indians had called up Marte, Blake would have had to shift back to the OF, and while Marte had been pretty solid defensively over there at 3B, Blake has been more consistent, and arguably, better this year at 3B. Plus, Blake is comfortable there and hasn't played in the OF for a few to several weeks; why disturb the IF defense when you don't need to? I think Francisco was the right/best callup for the team's best interests right now (this also allows Marte to gain that consistency we're looking for, not have him play a few games here and sit a few games there; he needs consistent ABs to gain that consistency, not sitting around half the time.)
Just my 2 cents. :-)
by indiansfan on
Jun 20, 2007 6:35 PM EDT
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by nickjs21 on
Jun 20, 2007 10:54 PM EDT
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The Indians are lucky to have such OF depth;
Just my 2 cents. :-)
by indiansfan on
Jun 20, 2007 11:14 PM EDT
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by Joe. on Jun 20, 2007 4:31 PM EDT 0 recs
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by Pronk33 on
Jun 20, 2007 4:54 PM EDT
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Who would you like batting second?
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by Buckeye Brad on
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by Roger Dorn on
Jun 20, 2007 6:56 PM EDT
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by Roger Dorn on
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by emd2k3 on
Jun 20, 2007 11:09 PM EDT
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Keep in mind that Barfield's poor start likely
In fact:
Barfield's OBP by month:
April: .195
May: .316
June: .328
Nixon's OBP by month:
April: .357
May: .373
June: .329
Dellucci's OBP by month:
April: .367
May: .369
June: .301
Blake's OBP by month:
April: .308
May: .356
June: .357
Barfield's OBP is virtually identical to Nixon's in June, and is significantly ahead of Dellucci's, making Barfield the better choice for the #2 spot right now (and of course, Dellucci is no longer an option for the time being.) While Blake is the best choice of all, if you want to keep the struggling Pronk out of the cleanup spot, you could put Barfield and his increasing OBP in the #2 spot behind Sizemore, drop Blake to #3, have Victor bat #4, and either have Pronk or Peralta in the #5 spot, with the other batting #6. That's what Wedge has done, and sounds like he will do more of that in the future, something I'd like to see more of.
Either way, as one of the STO announcers (I'm not sure which one of the three it was) mentioned, I like Barfield and Sizemore back-to-back, whether it's 9-1 or 1-2.
Just my 2 cents. :-)
by indiansfan on
Jun 20, 2007 11:24 PM EDT
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The use of a hot-hand strategy is dicey at best. Nixon has had a OBP for, like, ten years. Does that count for nothing? Only the past three weeks matter?
by Jay on
Jun 21, 2007 12:23 AM EDT
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I'm not sure anybody's in a hurry to get Rickey Henderson's .401 career OBP into the #2 hole in their lineup, regardless of how bad he'd like to.
by rolub on
Jun 21, 2007 9:49 AM EDT
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Re: Keep in mind that Barfield's poor start likely
JRam's comment on Barfield below is pretty instructive as well.
by Jay on
Jun 21, 2007 10:12 AM EDT
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barf
by Joe. on
Jun 21, 2007 4:03 AM EDT
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He will probably be released if he is sent down before June 30 and with the release of Oldberto there is now a spot for a reliever. I think Mujica will be back down Sunday (with the Westbrook callup) and Stanford will move to the pen. If effective there he sticks...if not, it's bye bye Jason.
by Tribe Alive on Jun 20, 2007 4:54 PM EDT 0 recs
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by palcal on Jun 20, 2007 6:53 PM EDT 0 recs
I like that move - see what Stanford can do for
by indiansfan on Jun 20, 2007 8:25 PM EDT 0 recs
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by emd2k3 on Jun 20, 2007 11:19 PM EDT 0 recs
Nice one! :-)
by indiansfan on Jun 20, 2007 11:25 PM EDT 0 recs
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They felt it wouldn't be nice to cut Hernandez midway on the trip. And since Mujica has already had his option burned this year, no big deal to have him up for a couple of days.
Essentially Stanford becomes the long man and takes his spot on the 25, with Westbrook moving back into the rotation.
Now we all rip on the FO for a lot of things, but in my eyes this was a very classy move.
by talonk on Jun 21, 2007 11:42 AM EDT 0 recs
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Jun 21, 2007 8:03 PM EDT
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by nickjs21 on
Jun 21, 2007 8:09 PM EDT
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+1 - I agree - I think it was a very classy move
by indiansfan on
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