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Jensen Lewis

im glad to see him perform so good out of the bullpen, it seems that the FO did the right move taking him out of the starting rotation, whats your take in this player, nobody thinks that he could help the Major league club sooner than everybody expected???...Take a look at his stats http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Lewis%252C%2520J%2520&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=460029 they look pretty good to me

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Re: Jensen Lewis
I've seen him a couple times on Milb.TV - he's more of a power pitcher than I thought, bigger and stronger looking. Keeps the ball down and has pretty good control of at least 2 pitches. The stats speak for themselves. Mujica has had similat AA-AAA stats, but Jensen looks like he has better stuff to me.

by mcrose on Jun 29, 2007 10:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Re: Jensen Lewis
Just because Lewis is having success as a reliever does not mean it was the right move. In fact, he was doing pretty well as a starter before the move.

by Joe. on Jun 29, 2007 12:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Jensen Lewis
Sure ... as a starter with a pitch count capped at 80.  Jensen hardly faced a batter three times all season last year, and he was a 22-year-old in A-ball.  He did great at the task set in front of him, but don't overestimate the achievement.

by Jay on Jun 29, 2007 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Jensen Lewis
Jensen might argue with you. Like Mastny he did ok as a starter but did not dominate until he was put into the pen. His ETA in Cleveland has been accelerated by at least a year as a result.

by mcrose on Jun 29, 2007 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Jensen Lewis
"Pretty well" doesn't reach the threshold of being a good starter prospect. He definitely moved quickly (to Akron in first full year), but his hit ratios weren't spectacular:

Kinston (A+): 108.1 IP, 110 H, 94 SO, 29 BB

As a reliever, look at those ratios:

Akron (AA): 39.0 IP, 27 H, 49 SO, 13 BB
Buffalo (AAA): 8.2 IP, 4 H, 7 SO, 2 BB

A couple more weeks of this kind of stuff, and he might be pitching in Cleveland.

by Ryan on Jun 30, 2007 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Jensen Lewis
I would have still waited until he completely failed as a starter before I had made the move. He would have been more useful to us as a decent starter than a great reliever.

by Joe. on Jun 30, 2007 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Jensen Lewis
He would have been more useful to us as a decent starter than a great reliever.

I think that all depends upon whether we already have 5 decent starters (I'd say "yes") or a sufficient number of great relievers (I'd say "no".)

It does seem that, if a starter is converted to a reliever, in the minors, the odds of him becoming a major league starter are pretty slim.

Some of the attributes that a starter needs are: at least 3 good pitches (i.e. sufficient "stuff" that opposing batters don't tee off the third time they see him); the ability to throw enough strikes to average 15 pitches (or fewer) per inning (so he can get through 7 innings); and physical endurance.

I also suspect that if the guy's one "plus" pitch is a slider, he has to go to the pen; he can throw it "a lot" as a reliever, but you can't throw 200 innings of sliders.

If the guy is missing that 3rd pitch, or can't throw strikes, I suppose it's possible that he can remedy that deficiency later, in the bullpen, and later become a starter.  But that's not a typical scenario.

by CaptainEasy on Jul 1, 2007 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Jensen Lewis
I have a friend from Cincy who has been hit on by Jensen Lewis. The projectability of this statistic is limited.

by fleerdon on Jul 1, 2007 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Besides the fact that we have 5 decent starters
in the Majors, we also have Sowers, Laffey, Adam Miller (long-term,) and Slocum ahead of Lewis on the starter totem-pole at AAA, not to mention possibly Lofgren and Scott Lewis at AA (being that Jensen Lewis might still only be at AA if he were still a starter.)

Hello everyone,

JRam - while I understand that a starter is more valuable than a reliever, in this case, I think Lewis could provide more value, especially immediate value, to the Indians as a reliever than as a starter.  The Indians can use more relievers than starters right now, being that our current 5 are doing pretty well for the most part, plus you have youngsters like Sowers and Laffey, along with veterans like Harris and DuBose pitching at AAA.

The bullpen, while doing pretty well in its own right, could always use another power arm or two (A. Miller and Lewis,) or another veteran arm (M. Miller,) so I agree with mcrose in that I think the choice to change Lewis into a reliever could pay more immediate dividends to the Indians than if they would have left him as a starter because it's not likely Lewis would be pitching in the Majors this year as a starter, but it's certainly a possibility as a reliever.

Plus, the Indians don't absolutely have to go trading for a reliever like Gagne or Otsuka now if the price is not to their liking.  Granted, they don't have to even if they didn't have those options, but they'd probably be more tempted to do it if they didn't have nice power-arm internal options to consider, and they have two to consider, along with a veteran arm in M. Miller.  Granted A. Miller and Lewis don't have Gagne and Otsuka's experience, but Miller and Lewis certainly aren't lacking in stuff when compared to those two, so that should enable the Indians to feel like they don't have to trade prospects they don't want to trade just to grab one of those two Texas relievers because they do have other viable options to bolster their bullpen because those three are pitching as well as they are at AAA, two because of great stuff, and one because he has ML experience and knows how to use his stuff to get ML hitters out.

Just my 2 cents.  :-)

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on Jul 1, 2007 4:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Laffey
Laffey had another stellar start in Buffalo last night.

by APV on Jul 1, 2007 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Laffey
Incredible June for him:

0.87 ERA, 41.1IP, 30H, 4R, 7W, 38K

oh, and 6 wins.

by mcrose on Jul 1, 2007 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Laffey
What's really promising is the strikeouts. And he's doing this at 22 years old.

by Ryan on Jul 1, 2007 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Laffey
The K's are great. But he had 6 ground outs and 10 fly outs to go with the 9 Ks. This is nit-picky, I know.

But it brings up this obscure theoretical question. Which peripherals are "better"? What Laffey did, or a performance with more ground outs and less Ks? Something like 16 ground outs, 4 fly outs, and 5 Ks.

by oxforddave on Jul 1, 2007 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Laffey
K's are always better.  Groundouts may be more democratic, but K's are non-negotiable.  The most defensible, the most stable, the most projectable.

K rate indicates a pitcher's ability to fool hitters completely, at a certain level, which is the strongest indication of whether he'll succeed at the next level.

by Jay on Jul 1, 2007 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Laffey
Yeah, you are probably right.

by oxforddave on Jul 1, 2007 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Laffey
Well, I didn't make it up, I just read about it like everybody else.  But I scratched my beard and pondered it a lot, too.

by Jay on Jul 1, 2007 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Laffey
There has to be some point where many more ground balls are better than a few more Ks. Like 20 ground outs and 7Ks is better than 19 fly outs and 8Ks, but it is not worth the discussion.

by oxforddave on Jul 1, 2007 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Laffey
Sure, an extreme groundball guy is better than a mediocre power pitcher.

by Jay on Jul 1, 2007 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, I've been very impressed by Laffey, and
the K rate is higher than I expected for him, plus his GO ratio is also quite good as well; a very good pitching prospect seems to be emerging - always a welcome addition!  :-)
Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on Jul 2, 2007 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

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