I don't understand Gagne
Why would Eric Gagne prefer to stay with a last place team rather than going to a contender like the Indians who would be a lock for the postseason if he joined them? It can't just be money at this point. He's already rich, and he'll still get lots more cash on an extended deal that Boras will insist upon, he'll get closing opportunities when Borowski's overworked, and he could get a chance to be the closer next year if he outperforms Borowski in spring training. His position [ http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/1184499050269620.xml&coll=2] makes no sense to me at all.
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by Turkmenbashi on Jul 15, 2007 11:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by apatton on Jul 15, 2007 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by apatton on Jul 15, 2007 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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But heresy: A teaching which denies a doctrine essential to the existence of the Gospel (Let's Go Tribe)
by mauichuck on Jul 15, 2007 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Jay on Jul 15, 2007 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Tribe Fan Matt on Jul 15, 2007 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by mauichuck on Jul 15, 2007 12:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by JulioBernazard on Jul 16, 2007 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: I don't understand Gagne
I think you're looking at this in a personal way.Its not an affront to the Indians personally. It's a matter of him not wanting to be on any team where he can't close.
by world dictator on Jul 15, 2007 2:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by Tribe Fan Matt on Jul 15, 2007 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Also, if my stuff was back I would want to go back to being a top notch closer in baseball, or at least try.
by world dictator on Jul 15, 2007 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Ryan on Jul 15, 2007 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by TribeJay on Jul 16, 2007 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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This would be easy to negotiate around -- you just pick a number and lock in those incentives unilaterally -- but wow, what a dumb contract. If he's useless, $6 million. If he's okay, $8 million. If he's very good, $10 million.
Tom Hicks is an idiot.
by Jay on Jul 16, 2007 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Brick. on Jul 16, 2007 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that is the guy who paid more than $100
by indiansfan on Jul 16, 2007 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that's his criteria, then the Yankees, Red Sox,
Hello everyone,
Gagne wouldn't be made the closer over Rivera or Papelbon, and even though Jones is iffy like Borowski is (not so much in converting the saves, percentage-wise, just in the way they go about doing it,) I'm not sure the Tigers would put Jones in a set-up role for Gagne either, so that's probably another reason why Gagne might not be traded away from the Rangers.
With most of the potential playoff teams, they already have a solid closer in place who's doing the job - Cordero with the Brewers, Saito with the Dodgers, Hoffman with the Padres, Wagner with the Mets, Wickman with the Braves (though he's been a bit shaky of late.) The Phillies could be a possibility, provided Gordon doesn't come back like he was before his injury, but if he does, the Phillies probably aren't an option. The Cubs could be if they're dissatisfied with Dempster, but so far, they're staying with him, even through his ups-and-downs, so really, there aren't that many options - Putz with Seattle, Nathan with Minnesota; Oakland could be a possibility with Street out, but really, the Rangers don't have many options to choose from if Gagne wants to go to a team where he can be THE closer. That's probably why Gagne may remain with the Rangers for the rest of the season.
Just my 2 cents. :-)
by indiansfan on Jul 15, 2007 5:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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I was curious to look more closely at his numbers. Since the infamous Yankee blowup, he's got a 3.77 ERA, but there's evidence of bad luck. He's allowed a .295 average -- 33 for 112 -- but it's an empty one. .319 OBP, .375 slugging -- four walks and just one sole home run allowed over 29 innings. Basically, he has turned opposing hitters into Josh Barfield.
32-for-88 on balls in play -- that's a .364 BABIP, which says bad luck/defense. So I'm saying ... he's actually pretty good, and maybe he isn't playing with fire so much as being only as lucky stranding baserunners as he's been unlucky on balls in play.
So I'm saying, maybe all those Saves aren't an accident. It'd be nice, anyway.
by Jay on Jul 15, 2007 6:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by hans on Jul 15, 2007 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would JoeBo push Raffy back to the 7th inning
That would be a weird situation, though quality bullpens will usually have two setup guys, so I guess JoeBo and Raffy could share the setup duties in the 8th, but I'm not sure if both would get enough work to keep both sharp.
It's interesting JoeBo would still be willing to cede the closer's role, even though he has done a solid job - sounds like the perfect example of a "team guy."
I'm just not sure Gagne is the answer; I'd think either I'd want Otsuka, Lidge (only because of the link Andrew provided regarding his finding his form again,) or staying with JoeBo and maybe picking up a Dotel or someone on that order to help the middle relief of the bullpen (by pushing guys like Perez and Mastny back to the 6th and 7th innings, with Betancourt and Dotel taking the 8th, and JoeBo the 9th.)
Not sure - but it will be interesting to see how that plays out, as well as the Lofton rumor.
Just my 2 cents. :-)
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