More proof that Steve Phillips is a moron

by macasson on Jul 16, 2007 6:58 PM EDT

Phillips is making the argument that the commissioner's office should prohibit Bonds from playing on the road 'in the best interests of baseball'. He's afraid of the image of baseball, of fans throwing syringes on the field (if he plays on the road), etc. ,etc. OH MY GOD.

Even Kruk is foaming at the mouth.

My goodness, I've heard of taking a contradictory opinion to trigger discussion, but ?!?!?!?

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Re: More proof that Steve Phillips is a moron

Yea I couldn't believe what I was hearing. He officially has no chance ever of being a GM again. I know Bonds hitting it on the road would not be well received but he deserves that.

Champion of the Kelly Shoppach for Catcher and Franklin Gutiérrez for Right Fielder campaigns.

by E5 on Jul 16, 2007 7:12 PM EDT reply actions

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Regardless of the villany Bonds is guilty of, the man does NOT deserve to be assaulted or have things thrown at him that may cause physical harm.

But Philip's is a moron. There's no way they should sit him on the road, but I think MLB should really try to beef up security for those games and take a no tolerance stance with drunken morons.

Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on Jul 16, 2007 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions

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Did any of you see the piece in a recent ESPN the magazine about Lance Armstrong's (apparently) clear and flaunting use of performance enhancers through the course of his career? The double-standard applied to Bonds and Armstrong is unfortunate. It might simply be explained by the profile of the sport (baseball is much more high profile than cycling in the US), but I'm afraid it might have more to do with a certain topic that Mr. Sheffield likes to cite. I mean, Armstrong (like Bonds, no prince) has been lionized. It can't all be because of cancer survivorship and good PR spin, can it?

And, with that, I will step off the soapbox.

by macasson on Jul 16, 2007 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions

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Well you also have to consider the fact that Armstrong isn't a total dick.

And he dated Sheryl Crow.

Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on Jul 16, 2007 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions

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Bonds is a world-class d-bag. No doubt. My opinion of Armstrong (though not as negative as that of E5) isn't that high, particularly after reading about the way he, essentially, pressured teammates to take EPO to stay on his team. If you haven't had a chance to check out the article, it's an excerpt from a book by David Walsh, From Lance to Landis: Inside the Doping Controversy at the Tour de France.

I can't find an electronic link to the ESPN the Mag excerpt, but it's in the July 2nd edition (with Oden on the cover).

by macasson on Jul 16, 2007 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions

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Phillips is as smart as a bag of hammers - not exactly breaking news from those of us with cable.

Not sure if any of you caught the interview David Walsh did with NPR during his tour to launch the book.

To call him a lying hack would be kind. He had zero, and I mean zero proof to any of his allegations and did his best Whitehouse press secretary impression - answering the question he wanted to answer rather than the question asked. I find it appalling that a guy like this gets the kind of attention he does. If your sole source for hating Armstrong is David Walsh, you'd better rethink your position.

Personally, I think he's a cocky, self-centered SOB but he's probably the greatest athelete of my generation and without a credible person coming forward to corroborate the allegations against him I can't find any reason to presume his guilt.

by Seattle Tribe Fan on Jul 16, 2007 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions

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Good to get another opinion on Walsh. I had/have no opinion of him (or the quality of his work), but found the article to be compelling. It's hard to believe that Armstrong was the lone clean competitor in a sea of EPO users, when the effects of EPO have been so dramatic. I know, I know, it's speculation, but that (sadly) is the era that we live. Thanks for your report of the NPR interview. Maybe I'll look it up.

Can't agree, however, with your statement that Armstrong is the greatest athlete of our generation. How about Bo Jackson?

by macasson on Jul 16, 2007 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions

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Oh, and I'm also a Seattle tribe fan, living in Ravenna.

by macasson on Jul 16, 2007 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions

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I grew up in Akron, so I know where you're coming from. :^)

by Seattle Tribe Fan on Jul 16, 2007 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions

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Grew up in Oberlin, live in Ravenna, near the UW.

And, I was kinda serious about Bo. My vote for greatest athlete goes to an athletic freak (off the charts in size, speed, strength) over someone that dominates an individual sport, e.g. Lance, Tiger, or Federer. Semantics.

by macasson on Jul 17, 2007 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions

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Well, I suppose my criterion for Greatest Athlete of My Generation hinges on Lance winning the most difficult/prestigious event in a highly competitive sport seven times, two more than anyone in its 100+ year history.

I'd be much more open to discussions of Tiger being in the running before Bo, though I think your comment had an undeclared /sarc tag.

by Seattle Tribe Fan on Jul 16, 2007 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions

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I would agree, but a very nice white man named Mark McGwire seems to have taken it on the chin pretty good, and Barry Bonds is, even by a charitable standard, something of a prick.

by Jay on Jul 16, 2007 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions

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Yes, I've somewhat arbitrarily polarized Bonds and Armstrong. My bad. It's been on my mind lately - particularly when there appears to be more evidence to crucify Armstrong than Bonds. Puzzling. I mean, personality aside, could you imagine a world where Bonds hosts the ESPYs? And, do you remember how mercilessly (and antagonistically) Armstrong made fun of people like Jake Gyllenhaal at the award ceremony last year.

Ok, this time I really will step off the soap box and watch the dang game.

by macasson on Jul 16, 2007 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions

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I don't think there is really solid evidence on Lance, certainly not to the extent that there is on Bonds.

Cleveland: It's like punching yourself in the face.

by Brad D on Jul 16, 2007 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions

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Well, you've gotta ask yourself if the French are any more credible when it comes to Americans than Sheffield is when it comes to white people.

by Jay on Jul 16, 2007 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions

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Well played.

by macasson on Jul 16, 2007 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions

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Thanks. Kind of had to reach outside the zone for that one.

by Jay on Jul 16, 2007 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions

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Lance is a cancer himself and he never had cancer. He is a lying jerk who will ruin your life if you cross him. I would boo Bonds but Lance I would throw a wrench at as he is riding. Cheater, liar and plain a-hole.

Champion of the Kelly Shoppach for Catcher and Franklin Gutiérrez for Right Fielder campaigns.

by E5 on Jul 16, 2007 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions

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So hard to tell when you're kidding.

I love your confidence, though.

by Jay on Jul 16, 2007 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions

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This time, I am not kidding around.

Champion of the Kelly Shoppach for Catcher and Franklin Gutiérrez for Right Fielder campaigns.

by E5 on Jul 16, 2007 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions

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Then you are quite possibly the most ignorant person around. While there is proof that Bonds is guilty there is none that Lance ever cheated. Saying that he didn't even have cancer is just incredibly dense. Given that he made an incredble recovery and has, since then, given hope and millions of dollars to hundreds of thousands of people, your blanket condemnation of him based on something you clearly know nothing about makes you a world class d-bag.

Cleveland: It's like punching yourself in the face.

by Brad D on Jul 16, 2007 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions

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While there is proof that Bonds is guilty there is none that Lance ever cheated

Que?

by nickjs21 on Jul 16, 2007 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions

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Book of Shadows was fairly convincing to me. I have not seen any sort of proof that Lance did. I can be convinced though. I was a bit more upset about the fake cancer thing.

Cleveland: It's like punching yourself in the face.

by Brad D on Jul 16, 2007 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions

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You seem to be mistaking your opinion for fact. While evidence can make a case seem obvious, proof is proof. If Bonds had been proven guilty already, he wouldn't be playing.

by nickjs21 on Jul 16, 2007 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions

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I said it was "fairly convincing." Don't get too touchy. I am not trying to debate the Bonds thing. I think, think, that there is more convincing evidence against him. I have not seen that much on Lance. I could be wrong. I just got heated about the fake cancer thing.

Cleveland: It's like punching yourself in the face.

by Brad D on Jul 16, 2007 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions

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Seems like the Lance evidence is starting to mount though. That testimony from his former nurse (who yes, is the disgruntled wife of a competitor, I know) won't help things.

by supermarioelia on Jul 16, 2007 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions

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Mario - you should know. EPO is a common adjunct to highly cytotoxin chemotherapy. I friend of mine who is an oncologists tells me that given the highly toxic regimen that Lance was on, it's quite possible that he was given the EPO to counteract his chemotherapy induced low RBC counts.

Also! I'm sure he was given corticostoroids as part of his germ-cell seminoma treatment. So there you go - steroids and EPO.

Sometimes you just gotta be lucky

by mauichuck on Jul 17, 2007 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions

Re: More proof that Steve Phillips is a moron

What?

Oh boy...

Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on Jul 16, 2007 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions

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Alright, that's enough. Unless you have documentation that shows that Lance never had cancer, I would suggest that you shut the hell up. Such a diagnosis is not something that is to be taken lightly. The amount of time and energy and money that he has poured into fighting cancer is as clear an indicator that he's successfully in remission as you can point to that he's never had the disease.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on Jul 16, 2007 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions

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What, you think you're some kinda doctor?

Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on Jul 16, 2007 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions

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See, I was trying to say that and then I got mad.

Cleveland: It's like punching yourself in the face.

by Brad D on Jul 16, 2007 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions

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I like how he never responds when he knows he's been put in his place.

Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on Jul 17, 2007 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions

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Yeah, I figured this would lead to a really long, drag out, screaming match. I dropped the hammer pretty hard last night, probably harder than I should have, but that is the most asinine statement I've seen posted in some time.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on Jul 17, 2007 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions

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I think you were totally within your bounds, for what it's worth. It was an outrageous comment, and someone needed to call him on it.

Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on Jul 17, 2007 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions

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Actually, that's totally endearing as far as I'm concerned. Perhaps you don't remember the alternative.

E5 has basically put it out there that he's got his opinions, and they're valid as stand-alone essays, regardless of facts. Basically, he's not interested in arguing about them. Which is a big improvement, if you think about it, over those who will insist on arguing about them and are willing to mis-read and distort the facts to fit their arguments.

He's comfortable just shooting from the hip, then retreating back to his barstool. God bless him.

by Jay on Jul 17, 2007 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions

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Which is why he's in no danger of being banned.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on Jul 17, 2007 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions

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Jay, I love your outlook on life. You look at things in ways I would never think of, and it's awesome. Maybe when I grow older, I can become wiser... and maybe if I stop drinking heavily.

Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on Jul 18, 2007 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions

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I hate that cocky asshole as much as anybody, but saying he didn't have cancer is, well, insane.

by Kos @ Let's Go Tribe! on Jul 16, 2007 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions

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This so wrong on so many levels it defies credulity. One has to wonder about E5's judgment on any subject from baseball to general civility.

Sometimes you just gotta be lucky

by mauichuck on Jul 17, 2007 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions

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Man, gone a few days, and I miss all the fun.

"if" Lance was lying about his cancer, he'd have had to pay off a lot of doctors and nurses, etc. Am pretty sure that most doctors are unconcerned with promoting someone's image to go out and lie for them. Something about the Hippocratic oath or something like that.

by talonk on Jul 17, 2007 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions

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Not to mention the "fake" brain surgery and chemotherapy induced cachexia. This is got to be a whole new level of Munchhausen's.

Sometimes you just gotta be lucky

by mauichuck on Jul 17, 2007 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions

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Yeah, he just kept digging his grave deeper and deeper as Kruk and Ravitch looked on in complete disbelief. It's like he lost a bet and had to take a ridiculous opinion on a subject. Yet, he appeared sincere. Isn't that a sign of insanity?

by macasson on Jul 16, 2007 7:18 PM EDT reply actions

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My oh my. That's bad.

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 16, 2007 7:18 PM EDT reply actions

Bonds has created a lot of this controversy

for himself; besides that, if the Giants really don't want him to play on the road, they'll either sit him or have him just pinch-hit once a game in road games. In other words, there's no need for the commissioner's office to ban Bonds from playing on the road; the Giants can just keep him out of games if they really want to do that. All the commissioner's office has to worry about is providing extra security if Bonds is within direct reach of the record.

In my opinion, that's a ridiculous argument by Phillips - can you believe he was actually a ML GM? Mind-boggling to me. :-)

Just my 2 cents.

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on Jul 16, 2007 9:39 PM EDT reply actions