Laffey - a possible explanation
Stephanie Storm, in a post on her blog, speculates that the reason for Laffey's continued unknown whereabouts is that the Indians are simply waiting to see if Fernando Cabrera clears waivers:
So what's taking so long? If the Indians didn't start the process with Cabrerra until Monday, they have to wait until the end of Wednesday to see if he was claimed or can be sent to Buffalo to begin the rebuilding process.Makes a lot of sense, doesn't it? It could be that the FO figured Cabrera would be claimed right away, but it didn't happen, and now they simply have to wait out the full 48 or 72 hours (I forget how long the waiver period is) before they make the move.
Note also that this could actually be happening with Stanford, not Cabrera, as they're both in the same situation (IE, out of options and not really making themselves useful on the 25-man).
The hidden good news here could be that we get to keep whichever of those pitchers is on waivers, which I think we all thought we'd lose.
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http://buffalonews.typepad.com/insidepitch/2007/07/cleveland----pl.html
"The word here is simple: The Tribe has put struggling reliever Fernando Cabrera on waivers and has Laffey on call for when Cabrera is either claimed or goes unclaimed and can be sent to Buffalo. But you never admit a player is sitting out on waivers and that's apparently why there's all this KGB intrigue."
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This yeah, he's just sort of across the board bad. He perks up a bit in the 3rd and 4th (really on the 4th) but is horrendous again by the 6th.
Point being, I don't think there's a pattern to when Cliff is the worst. He's just pretty bad, period, of late, and which inning is the disaster over the past two years is probably depending a lot more on the hitters than Cliff.
Link to my favorite thing ever, the BRef splits pages. Go back to 2006 to see last year.
On top of that, I'm assuming he would warm up much differently and take a different mental approach. Who knows how much that's worth, but it's there.
I'm intrigued by him in the bullpen because Cliff has decent stuff that could, hopefully, become at least good if he was allowed to cut loose a little. If his fastball could go from 89 to 92, and if he could use that curve as an out pitch that hitters will only see once or twice, well, it seems like he might be ok at it.
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I've been one of the biggest Lee apologists, but he sure is an enigma.
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I like that idea!
I like the idea, and I could see Lee doing better in that role because, like you, I too think Lee has trouble focusing, but if he only has to come in for 1-2 innings, he can focus his attention on just 2 innings at most, and we've seen where he can go 2 solid innings with the stuff he has now. If his fastball can reach the low-90s consistently, along with that curveball, I'd think that would be all he would need to become an effective middle reliever, and even eventually, effective setup man.
If I recall correctly, didn't Jose Mesa have similar complaints as a starter - he couldn't keep his focus throughout his entire start, and as a result, his performance by inning was erratic. Yet, for a while, he was quite dominant in just one inning of work. I wouldn't mind the Indians trying Lee out in that short stint of 1-2 innings in the bullpen - I'd think he be worth more to the Indians if he was solid to great in that role than if he just remains a mediocre starter who has one great outing and 5-6 average to bad ones, resulting in the Indians going something like 1-6, 2-5, or 3-4 in a span of 7 starts. We need starters who can consistently keep us in games, something Lee has not done for most of this year, and even a good portion of last year. Therefore, I hope the idea is being more strongly considered, based on Lee's recent track record of being average at best as a starter, as well as the fact that Lee is not making much progress of improving over a period of 1+ seasons, rather than just over a handful of starts.
Just my 2 cents. :-)
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Jul 24, 2007 4:40 PM EDT
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Jul 24, 2007 1:06 PM EDT
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Obviously, this all gets talked about because Cliff has had his struggles and there's this feeling of, could it really hurt?
I don't know. I guess it depends on if the FO thinks Laffey could give them #5 production.
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Jul 24, 2007 1:09 PM EDT
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That said, the problem with Cabrera, if he clears waivers, is solved only for a few months. In November, we'll have to either add him back on the 40-man or expose him to the Rule 5. If he makes it past the Rule 5, he'll be a minor league free agent. If we add him back on, we have this same nonsense to worry about next season.
I should add that as a minor league free agent, it's probably 50-50 if not better that he re-signs with the Indians, but I wouldn't expect him to make it past the Rule 5. For that reason, you may see the Indians release him in the fall, then re-sign him as a minor leaguer after the Rule 5.
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This is not the same as ML waivers that are needed to trade soemone after July 31st.
http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2006/08/death_taxes_and_1.php
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Jul 24, 2007 1:48 PM EDT
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The August waivers are revocable. See this article by Keith Law
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To remove a player from the 40, he can be
- Outrighted off the 40 and sent to AAA/AA, etc if all of his options have not been used AND he does not have enough service time to become a FA.
- If he has no more options left, he is placed on irrevocable waivers. If he clears waivers, he may be sent down to AAA/AA, etc. pending service time. If he has enough service time, he can refuus the assignment and become a FA.
- If he needs to be replaced immediately on the 25, the team can DFA and buy an extra 10 days to clear waivers, trade, release etc. I believe this usually occurs more for players that have not accrued enough service time to refuse the assignment.
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Jul 24, 2007 2:11 PM EDT
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Optional assignment, again, means a player is on a major league contract (40-man roster) but assigned to a minor league team.
If a player has options remaining (and not yet used in the current season), if you outright him off the 40-man, he doesn't use up an option, since he was not optionally assigned. That is, he's just purely a minor leaguer on a minor league roster at that point.
DFA is not really related to service time, because only a handful of players could refuse a trade. After the assignment has been made, if it's an outright assignment, some players will have the right to refuse it.
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Jul 24, 2007 2:17 PM EDT
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Or maybe they've seen him pitch and just don't think he's worth it.
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Jul 24, 2007 12:55 PM EDT
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Jul 24, 2007 1:13 PM EDT
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Still you would think there would be plenty of sub .500 teams that could just send one of their relievers down to take a chance on Cabrera. The cost is really minimal.
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Jul 24, 2007 1:23 PM EDT
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I guess they think that having Laffey as a middle reliever is the best for his development (which should be the largest consideration for this type of move). This has not been the standard protocol for the tribe before, but Westbrook worked out this way. The way Lee and Westbrook have been going he may get a chance to pitch enough innings in a low leverage environment.
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I think BA sees him more as a reliever long-term,
However, I also agree that it seems a bit odd if Laffey goes straight to the bullpen; most of the Indians' pitchers who were called up and are currently in the bullpen usually have had extensive Minor League relief experience, something Laffey hasn't had - 1 relief appearance in 2007, 18 total relief appearances from 2003-2007, with just 9 of those appearance occurring from 2005-2007, so it would seem a bit unusual to stick him in the bullpen when he hasn't had that much experience, especially when compared to Mastny, Perez, Cabrera.
However, Carmona didn't have much bullpen experience when he was called up last year and put in the bullpen either (5 total relief appearances from 2002-2006, and just 2 from 2005-2006,) so I guess it's not as unprecedented as I first thought.
Just my 2 cents. :-)
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Completely different situation than a true reliever, and not applicable in reference to any current move.
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I think you are probably right, as I don't recall
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Especially E5 and all his "voodoo" scenarios. But yes, now that I recall, he never actually proclaims anything concrete, just vague generalities. Just like the palm readers and fortune tellers. "Does it begin with the letter J?"
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http://espn.go.com/mlb/s/transanctionsprimer.html
I have no idea what year this is from.
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So Cabrera or Stanford could be put on waivers, but still be retained. Why mess with Laffey before the situation is resolved? There is no dying need to bring Laffey to the bigs.
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Perez had prior relief experience, both in the minors and the majors. Stanford had two starts, and was kept in long relief because they had to to keep him. Jensen Lewis had proved his adjustment to the role before being promoted. Laffey is the youngest and least experienced of the lot and is in a steady groove as a starter. Doesn't sound like a Shap kind of move.
We'll see. It does sound like the word from above has tightened everyone's "official" story somewhat. No more winking and nudging and alternate narratives. Altho the last Buffalo blog post today had the phrase "Indian starter Laffey" artfully crossed out and followed by "Buffalo starter Laffey". Oh look - a "typo"! (nudge, wink).
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also (no exclamation point) i just can't see cabrera not being picked up by someone like the whitesox who couldn't be much worse off even if cabrera is terrible then they are now with their terrible relievers and have a shot of striking gold down the road...
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Last year when Carmona was imploding in relief, I suggested we send him down and work on him as a starter. Brandini jumped all over me like I was crazy. Guess what? They did it and it worked.
I don't know that it would work in this case, but man I'd like to see Cabrera clear, go down and work the same scenario. There are just some guys that don't have the relievers mental toughness. Look at JoBo and Porky. Not really good stuff, but mental toughness and short memory. If a starter has a bad inning, he can recover ad continue. If a reliever has a bad inning the game is lost.
By the way, where is Brandini?
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That doesn't sound like his style at all.
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I don't think they returned him to starting because he couldn't handle relieving. I think they returned him to starting because the Indians season, and his season as a reliever, were both over regardless.
Carmona was always a terrific rotation prospect. He was only shifted to the bullpen because of desperate need, but unless he emerged as a dominant closer, he was going to go back to the rotation eventually in any event.
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None of this is making sense to me either. So, Laffey replaces Cabrera and when Fultz comes of the DL we have Laffey, Fultz, Perez and Stanford all working out of the BP (4 lefties). Plus Laffey's last start was interrupted so that he'd be fresh for BP work...some day? And it's just coincidence that Laffey's next projected start would now coincide with Lee's. I'm not buying it. The whole way this has been handled is fishy. I've got a buddy who is close with an agent who swears (he doesn't attribute this to the agent in any way) that there is a 3 club deal in works that is complicated and requiring some time to work out. He won't tell me anything else and swears he'd be in deep ** with his agent friend if he said more.
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So who does Oakland get?
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For the rest of the season, I think this is valid for the big league team: Laffey = Stanford.
There is no reason to ask for waivers for Stanford to bring up Laffey, and you don't need two long soft-tossing lefties (i.e. Cabrera going). Some trade has to be going down.
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- We were told that Laffey "is a starter" (per Buffalo manager), that he "would be making a spot start or two" (per Buffalo announcers ~ right?), and his short-start the other day matches up perfectly for replacing the most likely to be dealt starter. There is NO reason to believe he would be called up as a Pen guy ~ it just makes no sense at all (as other have mentioned)... Oh and he's going to stay with the Indians
- Cabrera and his being on possible waivers... It's unlikely anyone would pick him up right now because of the fact that they would need to inturn wave someone to get him onto their 40man. Even if Chicago (for instance) really wanted him, they would have to drop someone that they would probably be able to trade in a package at the deadline ~ would be counter productive for teams without someone they just want to dump or transfer to the 60Day-DL.
3) we have no room on our 40Man... If we make a trade, we need to trade guys off of it or we are in a similar problematic boat. Laffey being added in place of Cabrera would be a fine idea, but what happens when we make a trade and it possibly involves someone not on our 40Man? Laffey would then need to be waived himself...
I think it make more sense that a trade is in the works. If this whole mess was just to clear Carmona, then:
~ what is a "starter" being called up to replace him for?
~ why is that "starter" kept on a rotation schedule on par (his short-start) with the guy most likely to be dealt ?
~ why would he be told to clean out his locker days in advance of anything actually taking place?
~ why would people in the organization stress that he is a "starter"?
~ why would we be doing this bullpen move days before the trade deadline when we are rumored to be bringing in a bullpen guy which makes the Laffey move pointless?
~ what happens with the 40Man when a trade does go down? Laffey gets waived as well?
~ why would we be exposing Cabrera for free when he infact would be a nice piece to add to a trade package?
~ BUT, if we just needed a spot start, then why not use Stanford whos on both the 40Man and current 25Man already? They must expect our team to be short a man or two for a couple days...
A trade is more than likely in my eyes, nothing in this whole mess makes sense what so ever, and it's the only thing I see plausible. Like people have pointed out, how many lefties do we need in the pen? Laffey was on no ones radar as far as a call-up then all of a sudden he's coming to the big club? And he's a "starter" for the pen none the less... We are probably about to lose 2-3 guys off the 40Man ~ one of which is probably a starter & either Lee or Byrd based off the rotation schedule Laffey is on...
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Wrong. If Laffey gets put on the 40, he's staying on it for a while. Someone else (Luna, et al.) will get booted if there's a 40 crunch.
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Occult's razor, yeah yeah. For what it's worth, count me among those who think that Laffey is going to start in Cleveland, and that something weird and complicated is about to drop.
It's mostly a gut feeling. I can't predict if this maneuvering includes (excludes?) Cliff, Cabrera et al.
I don't care or worry much one way or the other. Such is my faith in Shapiro's command.
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Correct me if I'm wrong here. So reading the Law article, I understand there are two ways to lose one's ability to move freely to the minors.
The first is running out of option years by being on the 40-man, but not being on the 25-man in 3 separate years, thus using up all 3 option years. Thus the only way to go back to the minors is via irrecovable waivers.
The second way being if 3 calendar years have elapsed since the first appearance on the 25-man roster, but s. Then you can go back to the minors via revocable waivers.
So the first situation applies to Fernando? I see that we brought him up in 2004 in August, so I guess being in Buffalo the rest of that season would make that his first option year.
Haha I guess I was holding out hope that the second situation applied to him and that we could get a feel for what would happen on waivers before we exposed him.
by supermarioelia on
Jul 24, 2007 5:09 PM EDT
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by supermarioelia on
Jul 24, 2007 5:11 PM EDT
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It's the kind of GENIUS Shapiro is know for!
by gte619n on
Jul 24, 2007 5:13 PM EDT
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by nickjs21 on
Jul 25, 2007 12:18 PM EDT
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"There is a rule rarely invoked in baseball that creates a situation where a player who has options remaining still has to clear waivers to be sent on an optional assignment. If the assignment is to begin at least three full calendar years from the date of the player's first appearance on a 25-man roster, then the player can not be sent on an optional assignment without first clearing major league waivers. These waivers are revocable, and players usually clear those waivers without incident."
So Cliff would have to go through revocable waivers, correct?
by supermarioelia on
Jul 25, 2007 12:45 PM EDT
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by talonk on
Jul 25, 2007 12:49 PM EDT
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by supermarioelia on
Jul 25, 2007 12:54 PM EDT
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Maybe?
I wish something would just happen already.
by afh4 on
Jul 25, 2007 1:05 PM EDT
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A player with significant service time (sparing the boring details) but one or more options remaining sometimes has to be put on waivers before he can be optioned to the minors. These are revocable waivers, the same type that almost every player is put on at some point during August. But we have it on good authority that in that scenario, the player almost always clears waivers. Of course if a team put in a waiver claim on Lee, we would revoke it and pull him back.
A player with no options remaining can only be sent to the minors by removing him from the 40-man roster. That entails putting him on outright waivers, sometimes called irrevocable waivers. So that would apply to Stanford, Cabrera, Rouse and a handful of others on the roster.
by Jay on
Jul 25, 2007 4:09 PM EDT
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Lofton to Cleveland for a mid-level prospect. Brian Barton's name has been mentioned.
Isringhausen and Duncan to Cleveland, Cards get Lee + prospect.
I'd tend to think the first holds some water. Ben goes back to Buffalo, Kenny gets the platoon with Michaels, Barton jumps closer to the big leagues.
by mcrose on
Jul 25, 2007 3:27 PM EDT
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