Shane Victorino?

Two chances - slim and none.  He's young, he's good and he's cheap.  The Phillies would like to dump overpriced underperformers like Burrell so they can play more kids.  They're just not going to be trading any of their kids, even for pitching.  Aaron Rowand, on the other hand, could be had.

Trade comments from good ol' Charlie Manuel:
"Any time you have to give up something to get something, it's going to cost you," (brilliant!)
"I wouldn't want to give up some of our core players - Utley, Rollins, Howard, someone like that," (certainly didn't include Victorino in that statement)
I think Victorino can be had...probably for more than I originally proposed, but that team needs cheap, effective starting pitching and Stanford has shown flashes of that.

You want another fringy tweener outfielder from the Phillies?  J-Mike and Righteous D aren't enough?

I fail to see how another speedy outfielder is what we need.  I see that we have at least one of these to spare already.

It makes no sense, but every time I hear Shane Victorino's name I think of the Seinfeld episode where Kramer feeds his horse Beeferino and it makes me a little queezy.  For that reason alone, I'd pass.

I just don't think we're going to get the "power bat" for the OF. No one that fits the bill is really available except for Griffey perhaps and I just don't see that. What we could get is someone to take over for Nixon's platoon and at least plug that hole against righties. Neither Delucci or Choo is going to be back anytime soon, and Trot - well, let's just say he doesn't project very well over the next few months.

Lowering the sights a little, what about KC as a trading partner? Mark Teahen plays RF and is a good young athlete with 2+ yrs experience against AL pitching and puts up an .800 ops against righties. Also I wouldn't mind having David Riske back right now, he's been lights out since April ended and could really solidify the bullpen. Or Joel Peralta - KC actually has some good relievers (tho I don't want Dotel!).

Anyhow, Teahen and Riske/Peralta would still cost, but it would be less than the bigger names that other teams will be bidding for as well.

(clamors for a power corner outfielder)

Personally I'd love getting Victorino, the "Flyin' Hawaiian", since the Maui News Sport Section runs a box on how he did the previous day.  Plus we get an awful lot of Phillies coverage out here.

He'd be an upgrade playing either corner - but not much.  He can steal a base and is a plus outfielder.  But it'll never happen.  He's cheap and the Phillies are looking to cut payroll not put it on.

Victorino does something that J-Mike, Francisco and Gutierrez can't do...bat from the left side of the plate. I am not saying this is a blockbuster trade, but it could certainly help us. He's young (26), has over 20 SB and is a tough out (based on what Hegan was saying during one of our games against them). This type of move wouldn't sacrifice the future and may turn into something special down the road. If we do something more significant than this before the deadline, I'll be very pleasantly surprised.

i think we should trade for david wright.  he's young, locked up for a number of years and has a lot of upside.  he would allow blake to move back to right field, too.

(clamor, clamor)

On a more reasonable note, the Mariners are looking for starting pitching. I don't think the tribe has much starting pitching to offer (Stanford = not much), but one could envision something like Lee for Adam Jones.

if he's expected to produce at the ML level right away.

Hello oxforddave,

It's a reasonable trade proposal, but check out Sickels' analysis of Jones on the front page of MinorLeagueBall.com; his contact ability is still not good at this point, even with considerable improvement this year (he's still striking out more than once a game,) and his BA and OBP are very erratic.

He should get more AAA time and not be rushed, so if we traded for him this upcoming offseason, for instance, it'd probably be wise for us not to expect Jones to produce right away, so he'd be more of a long-term solution than a short-term solution - I don't know if you're suggesting we use guys like Gutierrez, Francisco, Michaels, Dellucci as short-term gaps (say through 2008, early 2009,) then insert Jones?

Jones has a high ceiling, partly due to his young age, no doubt, but there are some legitimate concerns with him, including the fact, like Cabrera, he was rushed through the Mariners' system (what's up with them rushing their notable prospects through the system anyway?  It's not like they can't go out and purchase quality talent, moreso than a market like Cleveland can, so it's really puzzling why they'd push them THAT quickly.)  Jones needs some time to catch his breath, much like Cabrera is getting now, before he's really ready to shine at the ML level.

Just my 2 cents.  :-)

I don't think acquiring Victorino is an impossible acqusition.

Right now the Phillies outfielders are Burrell, Victorino and Rowland in CF. Considering that Rowland is going to be a FA at the end of the season the Phillies might want to acquire Fgutz, a cheaper option than Rowland and Victorino.

What about Bourn?  I'd like to see him in Cleveland.

I see we needed another intentional overreactions thread.