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Game Thread: August 14, 2007

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Detroit at Cleveland, 7:05 PM (STO)

Starting Pitchers:

Cleveland: CC Sabathia (174.0 IP, 3.52 ERA, 85 PRC)
Detroit: Jeremy Bonderman (142.0 IP, 4.75 ERA, 52 PRC)

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Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Jim Leyand's post game comment last night was:

"If anybody thinks we're going to win anything playing and pitching like this, they're out of their minds."

Let's hope that we can extend Detriot's insanity with this series and end ours.  

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Aug 14, 2007 4:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
First I am more or less a Wedge supporter.  Still, I think this is a good opportunity to point out that the above quote might be a good example of what the average fan is looking for and not getting out of Wedge.  

Leyland isn't necessarily going all Lou Pinella or acting like an idiot.  He is just confirming that he realizes the obvious.  Sometimes I think Wedge sounds as though he has his head in the sand, and doesn't realize how bad things have been lately.

by CBusSteve on Aug 14, 2007 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I feel the same way about Wedge, but I wish he would have chastized Peralta more for getting picked off on Sunday or do something similar to show his disgust with the way the team is playing.

I remember Leyland's comments about the Tigers after the day game with the Tribe early last season.  That team went on a tear after that, and our season was over.  

I don't think Wedge needs to throw bats in the showers and call these guys a bunch of lolligagers, but I think they need some sort of kick in the pants.

(Taking the video games out of the clubhouse - or atleast cancelling the tournaments might be a start.)

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Aug 14, 2007 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I'm sure a lot of folks would have been satisfied, and few surprised, to see Peralta publicly rebuked by Wedge.  There is another side of this, however.

Wedge called out Peralta -- publicly, repeatedly and forcefully -- last season, after months of struggle.  And Peralta without question manned up, worked his ass off, and has been more than a solid contributor all season.

No doubt Wedge appreciates and respects that -- I know I do.  And I think it may make Wedge think twice before making Peralta a public scapegoat after one mental error.  Peralta may have cost us that one game -- maybe -- but if we make the playoffs, it will be in large part because he stepped up this season.

by Jay on Aug 14, 2007 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I don't need to see Jhonny cruxified for the move, and I know he's doing MUCH better than last season.  I'm sure that the laser eye surgery has played a part in that.  But some expression of dismay, indignation or concern would have been nice.  

That was just plain bad baseball, and I wouldn't have stood for it on my 13 year old son's recreational team.  A comment like, "Jhonny's gotta keep his head in the game," would have been nice.

Wedge has always been low key, but his concept of putting the past behind us and focusing on the future brings to mind the saying that those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it.

Hopefully tweaking the lineup tonight will shake things up a bit.

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Aug 14, 2007 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I'm not sure I understand.  Is it that you wish Wedge had chided Peralta publicly, or just that you wish Wedge had chided him?  The latter is something we can only speculate on.  

by nickjs21 on Aug 14, 2007 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Speculate, schmeculate .... he's the conduit for information to the fans.  As far as I'm concerned, if he didn't tell us about it, it didn't happen.

But it's not necessarily that play that needs to be called out.  Just DO SOMETHING to try to shake these guys out of this funk!

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Aug 14, 2007 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I couldn't disagree more.  I believe we only see a fraction of what happens behind closed doors in sports.

by nickjs21 on Aug 14, 2007 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I don't think you can assume that just because he didn't tell the media that it happened, it didn't happen. As a player I would appreciate not being called out in the media even if I royally messed up. As he did. I do hope that he said something to Jhonny about it.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I'm not asking him to take an ad out in the PD that says "Jhonny Sucks" or anything close to it.  

An, "I talked to Jhonny, and he knows he has to keep his head in the game," would have done fine.

And I don't want to get too hung up on one play.

The offense is in a funk!  I started this thread with Leyland's comment about how bad the Tigers have played lately.  Wedge has taken a deciededly different tack.  I'm not sure which one works better.  What happens tonight and tomorrow may sort that out.

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Aug 14, 2007 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
An, "I talked to Jhonny, and he knows he has to keep his head in the game," would have done fine.

Can't argue with that.

Wedge has taken a deciededly different tack.  I'm not sure which one works better.

I don't think we're going to find out, either.  All we know is which one the fans enjoy more.

by Jay on Aug 14, 2007 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I just listened to the manager's show.  He stressed that the players need to comforatable and confident to break out of their slumps.  He exudes confidence in all of the players - and seems to be trying to send that message to them.

Leyland's approach is markedly different.

I know I'd rather have my kids play for a manager with Wedge's approach.

Fan's appreciate when the manager gets fired up - and motivates the team by embodying their disgust.

But fans appreciate it even more when their team wins!

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Aug 14, 2007 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I'm honestly not sure which approach is best.  I would imagine that being consistent in your approach is best.  So if you're going to call a guy out, do it all the time, like Ozzie, or almost never.

by Jay on Aug 14, 2007 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Parent/Coach Night at the Jake is something I'd pay good money to witness.

Mr. Nixon: "I appreciate how patient you've been with my son, Mr. Wedge. I realize he's not very talented, but he tries really hard."

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Great post.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Lofton leading off tonight

Hafner batting 5th

by palcal on Aug 14, 2007 4:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I hope no one -- incl. Pronk -- is rushing Pronk back to the batter's box.

by JulioBernazard on Aug 14, 2007 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Even with the way he's been (not) hitting, it feels good to have Haf back in the line-up. I hope I'm not waiting til 2008, but I think if somebody's got to help pick up this offense, it's our dedicated swinger.

by baergagaga on Aug 14, 2007 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
With Blake struggling like he is now, would it not make sense to only move Grady down one spot to the 2-hole and move Vic and Pronk up to 3 and 4? I guess this would give the illusion that you're somehow demoting Grady by having him and K-Love simply switch spots, but late in games I want Grady and Friends coming back to the plate as early as possible.

The one advantage I see to having Blake between Kenny and Grady is in a tight game having the option of having Casey move Lofton over into scoring position for our mashers.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 5:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I was thinking about this when I was "working" today.  I like Casey Blake as a player, but he's probably only about the 6th best hitter in the starting lineup.  Ideally, Blake would be anchoring the bottom portion of the lineup.

That being said, it's clear that there's none of the better hitters (Garko, Peralta, Hafner, or Martinez) fit in the 2 spot better, unless Wedge decides to go with one of the radical lineup approaches that have been advocated.  Blake can hit enough, run some, is solid on the basepaths - he's OK in the 2 hole (but I HATE when he's hitting third).

Interestingly, batting Lofton first was the only reasonable alternative I could come up with to Sizemore.  Sizemore already bats a couple spots behind the bottom of the lineup guys, so there's really no difference in switching one of them up.  The question had to be then is Lofton-Blake-Sizemore better than Sizemore-Lofton-Blake?(Or Martinez).  Let's hope it's yes.

Interestingly, what is the plan against Lefties?  Is Wedge moving Sizemore to third only in a platoon-type role?  Would Michaels lead off?  Is Lofton going to play more?

by dave @ Let's Go Tribe! on Aug 14, 2007 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Whether we've noticed or not, Blake has not been great at the plate this season.  If he were at 1B/RF and not playing a solid 3B, we'd probably be calling for his head.  Based on RC/G (runs created per 27 outs made), he's behind Michaels, Gutierrez, Nixon (!) -- pretty much everyone but Barfield.

And that's without even getting into the unfortunate RISP stats.

I can understand if you want to put one of your not-best hitters near the top for "role-based" reasons or even just to adhere to conventional expectations.  But with Lofton-Blake at the top, we're doing that with two such hitters, and it seems to me you're just giving up too much at that point.

So I say, either get Garko into that mix somehow, or just plug Victor into the two-hole and let everyone else move up a slot.  It's true that he's a GIDP threat, but with the way he makes contact and the speed of everyone in the 9-1 spots, you should be able to start the runner most of the time.

by Jay on Aug 14, 2007 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I would kind of like Vic 2 and Grady 3. At least I'd like to see what happens.  Garko 4, Hafner 5, Peralta 6, Blake 7, Gutz/Nixon 8 and BLACK HOLE BARFIELD 9. (or Cabrera)
Turf Toe -- Sports skewered weakly (and weekly.)

by emd2k3 on Aug 14, 2007 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Congrats to him -- he'll blow all the PD writers out of the water.

Have any of your read his book "Our Tribe"? It's an excellent history of the Indians.

by JulioBernazard on Aug 14, 2007 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Wow! Hopefully this means the end of Bud Shaw at the PD.

BTW If anybody's interested, Roger Brown does an occasional column at the LMJ. Don't laugh, I always enjoyed reading Roger Brown; he elevated the idiotic sports column to an absolute art form. And hey, who else is going to tell you when a former Browns wide receivers coach sells his Brecksville mansion?

by mrich on Aug 14, 2007 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Roger Brown became a legend in my mind the day he wrote that the Indians should stop messing around with Hafner and Broussard -- and sign Robert Fick.

by Jay on Aug 14, 2007 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Line ups for tonight

Detroit

Granderson - CF
Raburn - 2B
Sheffield - DH
Ordonez - RF
Guillen 1B
Rodriguez - C
Thames - LF
Infante - SS
Inge - 3B

Cleveland

Lofton - LF
Blake - 3B
Sizemone - CF
Martinez - C
Hafner - DH
Garko - 1B
Peralta - SS
Nixon - RF
Barfield - 2B

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Aug 14, 2007 5:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Batting Order goes:
Left-Right-Left-Switch-Left-Right-Right-Left-Right

Pretty good setup against matchup relievers, especially with some of the bench options.

by dave @ Let's Go Tribe! on Aug 14, 2007 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
While I don't know if it's exactly a problem, the Indians' struggles to score in the first inning have been well-publicized by the STO crew.  Bonderman's inability to prevent runs from scoring in the first inning has been a hot-button issue in Detroit.  

It's kind of like an unstoppable force meeting an immovable object.  But bad.

by nickjs21 on Aug 14, 2007 6:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I was thinking earlier today, it's more like the stoppable force vs. the movable object when it comes to our offense vs. their pitching.

by zempf on Aug 14, 2007 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Kind of like watching a couple of passive aggressive people each trying desperately to lose an argument.

by Jay on Aug 14, 2007 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I'm so pumped for the 3-hole Grady era. Finally they moved him down.

by obobcatu on Aug 14, 2007 6:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Wow, dramatic music and all on STO.
Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Aug 14, 2007 7:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Why would i be blacked out of this on MLB.TV in Chicago?

by Brick. on Aug 14, 2007 7:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
They are afraid you will get burnt watching the hot fire C.C. throws.
Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Aug 14, 2007 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
1-2-3

Well, that went well.

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Aug 14, 2007 7:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Alright nice start....some of those cuts by Sheff and Raburn scared me, but we're good.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 7:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
The Yankees seem to getting some favourable pitching matchups lately. They're throwing out Karstens of 10+ ERA fame, but they get to face Danny KaBBrera.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 7:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Don't complain, the Indians miss Kazmir in the next series.
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Aug 14, 2007 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
HBP just as good as a base hit, Case. Way to get on.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 7:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
And I couldn't even stay away one game.

by afh4 on Aug 14, 2007 7:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I wouldn't even think about missing a game on purpose.
Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Aug 14, 2007 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
SWING AND A DRIVE
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 7:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
My theory is proving correct so far. All he needs to do is add a few more of those.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 7:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Wow.

Good god he has a lot of power for a man his size.

by afh4 on Aug 14, 2007 7:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
That felt nice.
Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Aug 14, 2007 7:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Jeremy Bonderman hates the first inning.
Grady Sizemore enjoys the three hole.
All is good in Cleveland.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 7:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
He threw his 3-0 pitch on 3-1.
Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Aug 14, 2007 7:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Bonderman is in trouble. I wonder what's wrong.

by afh4 on Aug 14, 2007 7:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
WTF - internet explore crapped out on me on the 3-0 pitch!
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Aug 14, 2007 7:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Hey, does anyone have an update on the Detroit game?  Oh wait.

It's nice to not need to constantly check the scoreboard.

by nickjs21 on Aug 14, 2007 7:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Seemingly trying to bring balance to the proceedings, Victor swings at the first pitch.  The offense isn't miraculously fixed after all.

by NickFantana on Aug 14, 2007 7:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Victor's a good hitter. You can't tell good hitters to take a pitch just for the sake of it.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
It wasn't really applicable to that atbat, but one of the reasons I like moving Grady down is that he doesn't have to take pitches just for the sake of starting the game off with a quality atbat. Too many times this season Grady has taken a few pitches to start the game, gotten down 2 strikes, and we all know how that story ends with Grady. Hopefully now he can feel free to swing at pitches he likes.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 7:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
You're blacked out Brick?

Unfathomable Grady has more HRs than Pronk with no significant injury factor.

by afh4 on Aug 14, 2007 7:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
That 30-30 Club is looking nice for Mr. Sizemore.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Pronk wiping sweat off of his head with his upper arms is possibly the most ogre-ish thing I've ever seen.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 7:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Did his method work?  Aren't they equally as sweaty?
Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Aug 14, 2007 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
We should keep a running list of unanswered questions to be posed by an intrepid member next time there's public access to these guys.  I think this is a legitimate question.

by NickFantana on Aug 14, 2007 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
If they ever do grant public access to the clubhouse, I refuse to go in there. Last time I was in the Indians' clubhouse at the Rogers Centre I caught a horrifying glimpse of a naked Ronnie Belliard strolling around the clubhouse. You'd think the guy was shooting a porno.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Wee-ow that was a nice piece of hitting.

by NickFantana on Aug 14, 2007 7:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
If Garko hits a sharp base hit to the outfield will pronk get thrown out at 2nd?

by ASP on Aug 14, 2007 7:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Guess we'll never know.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Was that the moveable force or the resitable object that won out that inning?
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Aug 14, 2007 7:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I think it was our regression to the mean going better than theirs.

by Jay on Aug 14, 2007 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Re: "He threw his 3-0 pitch on 3-1."

Reminds of Jim Thome talking about how 2-1 is a really good hitter's count.  I think it's only a really good hitter's count if you're a really good hitter.  On 2-1, the pitcher still thinks he can get you out.

For the same reason, I was always rooting for Bonds to be on a 1-2 count, which is like 2-1 for Thome.

by Jay on Aug 14, 2007 7:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Casey does not get enough props for his D.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 7:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I think he gets the amount of props for his D that he deserves.

by ASP on Aug 14, 2007 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I meant on this site. People only want to say bad things about him.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Just FYI on defensive stats... I compiled some yesterday, so hopefully that'll save some future time for anyone interested.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Check into the one's gte619n is posting.  Quite a bit more refined, I think you'll like them.

by Jay on Aug 14, 2007 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Well, sure, but among AL right fielders, he's got to be the best third baseman out there.

by Jay on Aug 14, 2007 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
His numbers, on O and on D, are the reason that Marte will get a very long look next season.  I'm wondering if they try to sign Blake to a Michaels type of contract or what.  I don't see that they can pay him even Dellucci money at age 35 with a career 778 OPS.

by Jay on Aug 14, 2007 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
NICE CASEY!

...

I'm thinking about maybe going all caps tonight.

by gte619n on Aug 14, 2007 7:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
OT: R.I.P. Neckstache, fare thee well
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 7:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Anderson Varejao's homoerotic Sideshow-fro.

That's too funny.

I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
4-5-6

That's even better!

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Aug 14, 2007 7:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I think this inning will be a winning battle for us if we can get Bonderman to throw 10 pitches.

by ASP on Aug 14, 2007 7:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Ruth Newman, let's get you hooked up in the Giant Eagle Bonus Inning!
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 7:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Andrew, yeah, i'm blacked out of MLB.tv.

i'm at work, but i doubt that has anything to do with it, i've watched here fine before.  i've got to work anyway so hammy's just fine.  i just want to know it's not a permanent thing, or at home too... i was actually hoping you were too so it wasn't just me...

by Brick. on Aug 14, 2007 7:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Solid play by the infield so far, very impressive.

Does anybody know how to get the STO and WTAM feeds running simultaneously on MLB.tv?  I don't think it lets you, but if anyone got that to work, that would be awesome.  I miss Hamilton's play calling.

by Pronk33 on Aug 14, 2007 7:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
You can get them both going, but the key word is "simultaneously" -- the radio's always at least a pitch, maybe two pitches behind. If you're listening to Hawk Harrelson or something, it's worth it, but otherwise it gets pretty annoying. I've looked for ways to delay the video to match the radio feed, but haven't found anything.

by zempf on Aug 14, 2007 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Not until we start the LGT Slingbox server farm, anyway.

by Jay on Aug 14, 2007 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
How did you manage to get them both going?  I've tried opening the player in seperate windows, but it still just switches the window already open to one or the other.  Thanks

by Pronk33 on Aug 14, 2007 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
The look on his face said, "I am making this call so I can fight with Wedge."
Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Aug 14, 2007 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I wouldn't be mad at Wedge for getting into a fight. Get this team riled up.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I've never really bought into this theory.

As a Canuck I'm constantly bombarding with the theory that seeing your goon fight their goon gets the team going. Yeah this typically works for about 5 minutes. Then the team goes right back to sucking huge. They've gotta find it within themselves ultimately.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
That is because hockey has time limits.
Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Aug 14, 2007 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I would not be opposed to the Tribe signing Ulf Samuelsson for the explicit purpose of charging the mound on the first pitch thrown to him. Doesn't even need to hit him or anything, he just needs to stand in, take a pitch, and start a brawl.

by zempf on Aug 14, 2007 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Don't kid yourself, Ulf is far more useful at taking one in the grill than dishing it out.

Long live the Tie.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
/TUFFE UFFE ALERT
Man... 1991 and 1992... solid Penguins team.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
If Bucknor is at first tonight, that means he's got the plate tomorrow, and he's the worst balls-and-strikes umpire I've ever seen.  I hope it doesn't unnerve Carmona to have his pitches called randomly, although I suppose it will be worse for Jurrjens, making his MLB debut.

by Fiddlesticks on Aug 14, 2007 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Barfield makes me sad,.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 7:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Chester were you up for going to that Oakland series in September?

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 7:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Absolutely... I can go to any home game after this DET series, my stay in PGH is over on Friday. Any of those OAK games are fine by me.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I've gotta see if I can convince some people to come down with me...might make a weekend of it.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Off-topic ... Josh Rodriguez on the Hot Sheet.

"I told (Kinston manager Mike Sarbaugh) that Josh Rodriguez was going to be a better hitter than Wes Hodges," Indians defensive coordinator Ted Kubiak said. "It's still early so who knows, but it's just taken him a little longer to get going . . . Defensively, he's a little short going to his right side, but he's getting better. The power is what's surprising. It seems like he hits a home run every other day. You have to give him credit for sticking to his work after struggling for so long."

by Jay on Aug 14, 2007 7:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
It's one thing for our manager to be even-keeled, that's cool. But geez stop showing interviews with the guy...painful to watch.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 7:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Did anyone else see Baseball Tonight last night? Eduardo Perez said that we're done.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 7:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I will only judge his comment when Broussard states his half.
Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Aug 14, 2007 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Haha... can we trade his opinion for Asdrubal Cabrera's?
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Bahaha

"Then each of us would only have to be like a half-man....That sounds about right!"

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Well in that case, let's just pack it in now.  Once a fine baseball analyst like him writes us off, what's the point.

/sarcasm

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Aug 14, 2007 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Not perfect, but it still works!
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Aug 14, 2007 7:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
If this turns into a low titter that 4 pitch walk to Infante is going to be hilarious.

by afh4 on Aug 14, 2007 7:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
He did have an interesting point. We have 17 road games in September and we're only .500 on the road.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 7:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
That just means we're due.
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Aug 14, 2007 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
We are also having a completely different second half, so I think that stat can be disregarded for the most part.
Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Aug 14, 2007 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Whiffle ball is really paying off here for Grady.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 7:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Wedge'll be ordering a gross of whiffle balls and bats for BP tomorrow.
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Aug 14, 2007 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
A double and a triple away from the cycle - this 3 hole thing might just work!
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Aug 14, 2007 7:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Does he bat left?
Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Aug 14, 2007 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
He's a righty, but Google says he & Monroe both have the flu, actually.

by zempf on Aug 14, 2007 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
That was mashed.....you looking good mon, you lookin good.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 7:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Ugly swing
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 7:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
He swung at ball 4 twice there. Sigh.

by zempf on Aug 14, 2007 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Kiss the low titter good bye... /sigh
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 8:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
See, I warned you.
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Aug 14, 2007 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
No no-no.
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Aug 14, 2007 8:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Maybe from now on we should just not speak of such things, period.
Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Aug 14, 2007 8:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
ick.  love-fest in here.

who would have thought batting grady in the three-hole would work?  personally, i would bat hafner leadoff...

by emil minty on Aug 14, 2007 8:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
not Barf?
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Aug 14, 2007 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Barfield?
The poster formerly known as JRam.

by Joe on Aug 14, 2007 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
As long as we're being absurd, why not go all the way.
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Aug 14, 2007 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
i wouldn't really, i'm poking fun at one of andrew's common refrains.

by emil minty on Aug 14, 2007 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I think it's time to rewrite it. Now Vic should be leading off, no?

by afh4 on Aug 14, 2007 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Bonderman looks really good all the sudden.

by afh4 on Aug 14, 2007 8:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I feel bad about his ERA. He's had a good year.
The poster formerly known as JRam.

by Joe on Aug 14, 2007 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Yeah, well feel bad about his ERA tomorrow.  Let's light this stiff up to night.
LeBron must GO!

by mauichuck on Aug 14, 2007 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
True. I think Miller will be a lot like him.
The poster formerly known as JRam.

by Joe on Aug 14, 2007 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Obviously Adam.
The poster formerly known as JRam.

by Joe on Aug 14, 2007 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I'm not sure Andrew's going to be unlike him, though.

by afh4 on Aug 14, 2007 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Jesus Christ may be able to handle a curveball, but apperantly these guys cannot.
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Aug 14, 2007 8:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Thanks for the cool breeze Jhonny. It was most refreshing. Please, cool me again.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 8:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Jhonny Peralta makes A/C obsolete.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Josh Rodriguez already has a homerun tonight.

Weglarz already has a double.

Hodges has a wak.

We are very good at developing hitting, methinks.

by afh4 on Aug 14, 2007 8:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
We are also very good at drafting good players.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Are we? I kind of think we are below average at that. The only really good player we have that we drafted is Sabathia.
The poster formerly known as JRam.

by Joe on Aug 14, 2007 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I think the early season optimism about Garko's defense deserved to be tempered as it was.

by afh4 on Aug 14, 2007 8:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
and we thought Grady was (WAS) bad at hitting lefties.

by ASP on Aug 14, 2007 8:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Yanks down big early.  I know it's more important to beat the Tigers at this point, but it's always nice to see the Yankees losing.

by CU Adam on Aug 14, 2007 8:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
... it's always nice to see the Yankees losing!
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Aug 14, 2007 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I'd rather see the Red Sox lose. I think it'd be immensely funny to see them lose their division.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
No way.  The Sox are annoying, their fans are obnoxious, and they're the mini-Yankees in terms of how they run their team.  But the key there is MINI-Yankees.  The Yanks are still the worst.

by CU Adam on Aug 14, 2007 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Not if you're judging by the arrogance of fans. They thought they were God's gift to baseball. Not so funny now that they have competition. And I still have a bad taste left in my mouth  by the number of Sox fans at the Jake.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
No, its the Yankee fans that make it so nice to see the team lose.  There's an arrogance and a sense of entitlement that they carry with them.  

I don't get that from Sox fans, and I live among both.

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Aug 14, 2007 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
To be fair, they are the winningest team in baseball. I have no problem with deserved boasting. The Sox have one WS in 86 years.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Have we ever made a list of the current Indians who have experienced playoff baseball?

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 8:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Oh, you mean there is a reason?
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Aug 14, 2007 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
TROT NIXON!!!
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Article on ESPN about the overall decline in HRs this year throughout baseball ... maybe I'm in a minority, but my mind automatically jumps to "Steroids".  It's also the first possible reason listed.  Which is too bad, since the picture on the front page along with the article is of Hafner, and he along Manny and Thome are prominently mentioned in the article.

by CU Adam on Aug 14, 2007 8:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
C.C. kick save, and a beauty!
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 8:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Sheffield tries to go 5 hole on CC - rejected!

Maybe the hockey goon references earlier were appropriate.

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Aug 14, 2007 8:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Interesting Screen on STO:

Next 2 Weeks - Detroit plays the 5 with us and 8 with the Yankees.
We're playing KC & TB while they're playing the Yankees.

by dave @ Let's Go Tribe! on Aug 14, 2007 8:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Hammy confirmed it's Buckner behind the plate tomorrow.

This could be interesting.

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Aug 14, 2007 8:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Ah good times at the Fogels....sad to see Jared has become too big to hang out with the fam though.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 8:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
That was just unlucky. Bad pitch to run on.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 8:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Grady Sizemore's Fundamentals of Wiffle Ball:

"This is the wiffle ball video that gets results!"
/Fred McGriff wags finger

by Pronk33 on Aug 14, 2007 8:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
A 3-0 swing ... at that?
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Aug 14, 2007 8:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Grades with 3 of our 5 baserunners tonight...anyone else care to help?

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 8:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I was hoping we'd put some pressure on Bonderman early on, but it looks like he's really locked in now.  I know Grady had a good at bat in the first inning, but I can't say I've been too impressed with the offense tonight, overall.  Bonderman's slider is just giving them fits.

by Pronk33 on Aug 14, 2007 8:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Is the crowd chanting Beat Detroit? Pretty cool if they are.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 8:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Bah... knotted at deuces.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 8:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
WTF is it with CC and Infante tonight?
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Aug 14, 2007 8:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
C.C. has looked sharp tonight but man righties have gotten good wood off of him.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 8:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Hmmm. Just got in from work. Looks like a case of different day same shit.

by mjschaefer on Aug 14, 2007 8:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
This umpire absolutely hates the outside corner.

by Pronk33 on Aug 14, 2007 8:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
And C.C. goes inside, beautiful pitch.

by Pronk33 on Aug 14, 2007 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Bondo only at 87 pitches....man with the kind of middle relief the Tigers have what the hell are we doing?

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 8:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
in news that only matters to me:  i'm not blacked out at home.

by Brick. on Aug 14, 2007 8:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
My only guess is that you work in the middle of the Atlantic where to broadcast games they require implied oral consent.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
i think it's because once, in an embarassing episode, i got caught diseminating at work once.

by Brick. on Aug 14, 2007 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
You'd think Granderson will be the last hitter for C.C. with all the righties coming up.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 8:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Nah. Want him out for the start of the 8th atleast.

by mjschaefer on Aug 14, 2007 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Man, C.C. really did his homework on the Tigers this time.  He made Granderson look pretty stupid just then.

by Pronk33 on Aug 14, 2007 8:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
What do we think the link is between Granderson, Sizemore, and strikeouts? Similar players, similar achilles heel at this point.

by afh4 on Aug 14, 2007 8:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I'm really bad at breaking down mechanics, but that's an interesting observation.  I've never paid much attention to Granderson's swing, do they flow the same way or tend to have the same holes?  Sizmore has that really short, uppercut swing right?  How does Granderson look to you?  

by Pronk33 on Aug 14, 2007 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I'm about as far from a swing analyst as you can find but Granderson's looks longer to me.

by afh4 on Aug 14, 2007 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Get this man some run support!
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 8:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Well done......holy crap let's start it off Pronk.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 8:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Ok guys - get runs to give CC the W!
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Aug 14, 2007 8:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Hafner looks pretty sore on that last swing, had some limping action off the follow through.

by Pronk33 on Aug 14, 2007 9:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Way to drive that baseball
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 9:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Garko's tee off swing is awesome and absurd. He looks like a video game character.

by afh4 on Aug 14, 2007 9:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Alright Underwood, that was the most confused call I've ever heard.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 9:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
garko has a slow pitch softball swing, i swear.

by Brick. on Aug 14, 2007 9:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Haha I was just going to ask what Gomez's speed is like.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 9:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Guy #1: [watches a homerun from the opposing team sail into the stands] Oh no, no. Too high, it's too high.
Guy #2: Who gives a shit? It's gone."
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 9:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
"Too high?  What does that mean, too high?"

by Fiddlesticks on Aug 14, 2007 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
It's kinda nice to have a pinchrunner for Haf and Gark that we can actually leave in the game.

And nice eye there Jhonny.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 9:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Peralta is pretty slow
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 9:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Garko's swing reminds me of a poor man's Prince Fielder.

by Pronk33 on Aug 14, 2007 9:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Jhonny Peralta is trying to play for a spot on the Hello Kitty Squad.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 9:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
What is wrong with Detroit?
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 9:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
IBB to Nixon is hilarious, every time.

by afh4 on Aug 14, 2007 9:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
with Barf batting behind him, it kinda loses its humor.
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Aug 14, 2007 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Anybody pinch hit AstroCab here?  I don't have the splits up yet...

by Pronk33 on Aug 14, 2007 9:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
See this Barf? They think you're worse than Trot. Prove em wrong!

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 9:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Could we try swinging?
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 9:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Oh that just sucked!
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Aug 14, 2007 9:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Barfield just made IBB Trot Nixon look like a smart move. Low point of his life, I'd say.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 9:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Wedge looked angry.
Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Aug 14, 2007 9:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
would have pinch-ran the faster Astro, J-Mike, or Gutz and pinch hit Gomez for Barfield myself.

by ASP on Aug 14, 2007 9:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Hindsight is 20/20. I only wonder whether taking Garko's bat out in the seventh is a smart move.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Gomez is no slouch. It's not like leaving Rouse out there. And you've gotta play for the run there.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
what isn't a strike with this guy, honestly?

Lt. Frank Drevin ALARM!

by Brick. on Aug 14, 2007 9:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
At least he's inconsistently crappy, which is the best kind of crappy.

by zempf on Aug 14, 2007 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Wedge cuts back on Barfield's ABs, Barfield responds by reminding him why.

by maledicta on Aug 14, 2007 9:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I'm going to go ahead and suggest that Barf stops having these daily chats with his dad.

Upon review of the stats, his dad only cracked .263 three times in an 11-year career. I say we try to create a feud between he and his dad a la Fielder. Seems to have done wonders for Prince.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 9:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
C.C. Sabathia fucked out of another win. This blows.

by mjschaefer on Aug 14, 2007 9:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I take a win over a loss any day.  Don't know about you.
Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Aug 14, 2007 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Just saying....Sabathia's got 2.08 era in his last five starts and he owns one win out of it. He brought good stuff in a big game, and the rest of the team didn't. Also yes, I'd take a win over anything. Not sure what your point was there.

by mjschaefer on Aug 14, 2007 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Am I the only one concerned with using Bentancourt right now?

by mjschaefer on Aug 14, 2007 9:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
no ...
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Aug 14, 2007 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Great move with Gutz in right. Another great Wedge adjustment.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 9:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
man.  andrew brown is dominating in oakland right now.

by emil minty on Aug 14, 2007 9:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Silly C.C..  2 runs in 7 innings against the team second in all of baseball in runs scored is not nearly good enough with the offense you have.

by maledicta on Aug 14, 2007 9:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Looked up Barfields player comparisons on a whim; apparently Ray Fosse is his best comparison by age.    Not sure if that makes me feel better or not, but for the immediate future I'd go with no.

by Pronk33 on Aug 14, 2007 9:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Why is Wedge pinch-running for Garko in the 7th and why isn't he pinch-hitting for Barfield?  

by cheech99 on Aug 14, 2007 9:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Just got home, glad to see we're at least tied. Lets hope we can get some runs here before we run out of raffys.
God truly does hate cleveland sports.

by Gradysmanldy on Aug 14, 2007 9:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
That's a good point. I propose that we only draft and sign players with the first name of Rafael in the future.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I'm not a fan of this K-Zone animation....seems too small to me.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 9:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Indians pitchers want it... come on offense!
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 9:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Beautiful.  Now, about that offense...

by maledicta on Aug 14, 2007 9:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Welcome back Raf. Missed ya.

Who smells a manufactured run coming up????

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 9:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Kenny bunt. Blake bunt to move him over. Grady base hit. I like the way you think.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I tend not to smell for those.  They usually come out burnt.
Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Aug 14, 2007 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
at least Bonderman doesn't get his 1st win since July 13

by palcal on Aug 14, 2007 9:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Sorry I doubted you Big Raf. My mistake.

by mjschaefer on Aug 14, 2007 9:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
big raffy is a forgiving raffy.
Disclaimer: this post doesn't mean what you think it means.

by AngG on Aug 14, 2007 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
RALLY NO-PERJORATIVE-OR-STEREOTYPE-OR-SLUR-INCLUDED-BANANA
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 9:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Alright when's the last time we saw this? I'm pretty sure we've scored about 5 runs total since the last time it was busted out.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Every time I heard the name Byrdak I think of a duck saying "Byrd-ak".

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 9:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
That's 9 strikeouts for Detroit pitchers...

by maledicta on Aug 14, 2007 9:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
only Cabrera and Shoppach left on bench

by palcal on Aug 14, 2007 9:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I just realized how similar Daniel and Fernando Cabrera are in their uncanny ability to be lights one day and horrible the next.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 9:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
3-1 I think we've seen this before
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Aug 14, 2007 9:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Nice AB there, Grady.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 9:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Well, best hitter up at biggest moment. Can't ask for more than that.

by afh4 on Aug 14, 2007 9:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I would like to ask for something else actually.
Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Aug 14, 2007 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Walk's as good as a hit.
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Aug 14, 2007 9:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I'd say moving Sizemore down in the lineup worked out okay.

by maledicta on Aug 14, 2007 9:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Since it's the reason that we have two runs I am going to have to agree.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
LETS GO VIC! BREAK THIS ONE!
God truly does hate cleveland sports.

by Gradysmanldy on Aug 14, 2007 9:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Cripes Vic.

Pronk 2-6 with 4 RBIs against Byrdak.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 9:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Ok.

So, hey Travis. Ummm. This is awkward but...umm.

by afh4 on Aug 14, 2007 9:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Just hit the ball and make it to 1st.  Let Casey and Grady do the rest!
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Aug 14, 2007 9:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
/disbelief
God truly does hate cleveland sports.

by Gradysmanldy on Aug 14, 2007 9:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
That was the pitch --- let's do it again.
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Aug 14, 2007 9:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Damn you, Granderson.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 9:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Unprintable curse words!

That's how it's been lately...

by dave @ Let's Go Tribe! on Aug 14, 2007 9:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Why does God hate Cleveland?
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 9:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Hate that time machine.
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Aug 14, 2007 9:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I know it's been said, but boy....I miss Pronk.
God truly does hate cleveland sports.

by Gradysmanldy on Aug 14, 2007 9:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I think we all do.
Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Aug 14, 2007 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I'll take that swing from him. And you've gotta declare yourself a time machine earlier next time...I was trying to decide whether you were a time machine for a solid minute there.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
The time machines always come out at the end of the game.
Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Aug 14, 2007 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I was referring to Gradysmandy's post of "/disbelief"

I assume he's ahead of us.

I was referring to the stirke 2 pitch that was fouled back

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Aug 14, 2007 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
AUGH. i dislike you, curtis granderson.
Disclaimer: this post doesn't mean what you think it means.

by AngG on Aug 14, 2007 9:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
This is not cool. Vague statements this late in the game are not cool.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
late comment re hafner.
there is no liking any other baseball player like i like pronk when he's crushing.  

by emil minty on Aug 14, 2007 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
True.  He's like Belle without the violence, Manny without the dumb mistakes.

by Jay on Aug 14, 2007 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Haha we need some kinda rule where people have to either declare if they're a time machine or if they're watching the game in Upper Mongolia via dial-up. Because both are equally frightening in the late innings.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 9:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Just got in, reading through the comments.

Joe, we drafted Garko, he's pretty good.

Palcal, that was Nixon's sixth IBB of the year, per B-R.  Strange but true.

Brick, I care that you're not blacked out.

Pronk33, per PECOTA, Barf's top comp is Bill Mazeroski.  It's only current through 2006, but it's actually intended for prejections, where B-R's version is not.

by Jay on Aug 14, 2007 9:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
So Barf is comp to a Hall of Famer?  What are we complaining about?
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Aug 14, 2007 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
And apparently he'll hit a big HR for us at some point. I'm excited.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Also, candlesticks always make a nice gift.

by Jay on Aug 14, 2007 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Betancourt wants to win. Who else does?
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 9:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Apparently Raffy is going to revert to being incredible.

by afh4 on Aug 14, 2007 9:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Rafi looks incredible.

I'm a time-machine guy, if we're declaring.

by Jay on Aug 14, 2007 9:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Haha much appreciated. I think you're the only one tonight.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I seem to be ahead of things too.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
RAFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFff.

Man I love off-days on either side of a 2-game series. We can milk these Raffys for all they're worth.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 9:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Isn't milking Raffi's illegal in Ohio?
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Aug 14, 2007 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I only like the time machine when it is a good one.
Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Aug 14, 2007 9:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
GO GO GO.

This is just cheering. Not a time machine.

by afh4 on Aug 14, 2007 9:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I smell a walkoff win
Still an Ohio boy through and through!

by TribeLoverInNewYork on Aug 14, 2007 9:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Ooohhhhhh.....I hope you didn't just jinx us. We're jinxed as we need to be already.  All we need now is for Hammy to say something like that.  Might as well forfeit after Hammy predicts something good.  That guy has to have a near perfect record as a Tribe jinx.
Chagrin Rick

by Chagrin Rick on Aug 14, 2007 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Looking at the guy, if you asked me whether Gomez was 26 or 36, I'd have to say 26.

by Jay on Aug 14, 2007 9:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
GOMEZ... here we go, magic time!
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 9:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Does Gomez's stance not look like one of the generic swings from MLB 2002?

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 9:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Gomez!
God truly does hate cleveland sports.

by Gradysmanldy on Aug 14, 2007 9:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Gomez can run and hit... funny, I don't miss Mike Rouse.
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Aug 14, 2007 9:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Haha Leyland's an asshole. I'll take Wedge's silence any day.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 9:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
HARDER
BETTER
FASTER
STRONGER
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 9:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
You have to have him bunt!
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 9:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Wha, no more JP bunt experiments? good job, inertia man!
God truly does hate cleveland sports.

by Gradysmanldy on Aug 14, 2007 9:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Jhonny in a bunt situation......gah I'm having flashbacks.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 9:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
This one's on Wedge if we don't win. A sac bunt and a high fly ball get us the win.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 9:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
How's it on Wedge?  The next batter isn't a good bunter.

by Jay on Aug 14, 2007 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
If you're in the majors and you can't bunt...that's sad. His job is to move Gomez to third and the next guys job is to get him in.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
People want to hate on Rouse, I can understand it.  I still say, given enough at bats, he could hit at least .190.

by Jay on Aug 14, 2007 9:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
With 5 homers and at least a dozen RBI.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Gomez is replacing Dellucci in my mind as role of True Indian

by Gradyforpresident on Aug 14, 2007 9:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
To the bunting haters- Is this a situation you would have been happy with a bunt?

I only like it in rare situations and I think this was one of them.

by Ryan Kelsey on Aug 14, 2007 9:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I normally don't like a sac bunt, but here... I'd like to see it. Jhonny is 0-for-8 against Rodney and there's no one out and we need one run. I'd say bunt.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I probably would have, but I would have pinch-hit Cabrera to do it.

by ASP on Aug 14, 2007 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Yes... that too.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I might agree, but it still doesn't make sense if the guy at the plate doesn't have the skills.  How could it?

by Jay on Aug 14, 2007 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I saw a qoute that Peralta said he's normally a good bunter.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I don't like bunts when the player can't bunt. People act like bunting is just an automatic thing.

I guess in the sixties or whatever, everybody could bunt. I don't know. I wasn't alive. But, these guys clearly don't practice it and some can't do it.

So don't ask them to do it. They can't.

by afh4 on Aug 14, 2007 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Which is an absolute abomination of the game. If you can't bunt at that level..it's just ridiculous. As someone said before, even if he can't bunt why not put Cabrera in there to do it for him.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Amen.

Bunting (like it or not)  is an essential function of the game.

Turf Toe -- Sports skewered weakly (and weekly.)

by emd2k3 on Aug 14, 2007 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
trying desperately to catch up. i picked the wrong night to work late.

jay, thanks for the civility thread (and the concern about my blackout issues - i'm on at home now, watching this rally)

how about this gomez character!

by Brick. on Aug 14, 2007 9:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
You think Jhonny knows not to bunt on 3-2? I'd remind him.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 9:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Can't bunt with 2 strikes ... if it goes foul, you're out.
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Aug 14, 2007 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Means you shouldn't
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Aug 14, 2007 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Jhonny Peralta: 0-for-9, 4 Ks now vs. Rodney

:(

"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 9:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Hate the strikeout, but I do love that he made him throw five more pitches after 0-2 to get him out.

by Jay on Aug 14, 2007 9:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
In most cases I'd agree...but bottom of the 9th, guy on second, you have to put the ball in play.  Striking out, no matter how tough you made it, is a failure.

by APV on Aug 14, 2007 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
atleast he took more than 3 pitches right?

by mjschaefer on Aug 14, 2007 9:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
This might sound nuts, but how about pinch-hitting Cabrera there to bunt?

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 9:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
He had a beautiful bunt the other day.
Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Aug 14, 2007 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I just got home as well.  In the abstract, I'd be a fan of the bunt, and there's a large part of me that says that every player ought to be able to do it.  

Back to reality though, Wedge may have better liked Jhonny and Gutz getting their swings in.  If Gomez gets moved over to third, it would not have surprised me to see Gutz intentionally walked to face Barfield. . . .

by mplswahoo on Aug 14, 2007 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Prediction:  Gapper, opposite field.  Just cuz.

by Jay on Aug 14, 2007 9:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
JBarf will be the hero!
Still an Ohio boy through and through!

by TribeLoverInNewYork on Aug 14, 2007 9:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I agree that you have to consider the hitter's ability to bunt, but if its that much of a concern you have to pinch hit.

Need a hit now.

by Ryan Kelsey on Aug 14, 2007 9:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Tie game in the 9th, I can't see pulling one of your better hitters just so another guy can sacrifice.  The bunt might be the right move there, but it's not overwhelmingly the right move.

by Jay on Aug 14, 2007 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
drum drum drum drum
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 9:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
What happened to this terrible Tigers bullpen we were promised?  This is bullshit!

by Jay on Aug 14, 2007 9:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
That's exactly why you bunt in Peralta's position.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 9:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
JBarf... make me forget your mediocre day!
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 9:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Alright I say we bring in ABBA for every remaining home game against the Tigers to serenade Mr. Rodney.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 9:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Now we have two outs and we rely on Barfield...sigh
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 9:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
So Gutz has negated this whole bunting conversation.

by afh4 on Aug 14, 2007 9:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Ridiculous...we deserve to lose after that poor showing.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 10:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Three pitches, geez ... no multiyear deal for this guy.

by Jay on Aug 14, 2007 10:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Oh...that's not going to go over well.

by APV on Aug 14, 2007 10:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
C.B. Buckner hates Cleveland.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 10:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Buckner you're a dramatic asshole, you know that?

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 10:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
His strikezone is also larger than tonight's.
Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Aug 14, 2007 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Did not look like he went--- wish we had a replay.

by Ryan Kelsey on Aug 14, 2007 10:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Does it not seem that Barf has ended just about every inning tonight?

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 10:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Gootz didn't exactly negate it, but it does remind us that the bunt play presupposes decent bat control from everyone involved.  You not only have to have a guy who knows how to bunt, but the next guy has to be able to get it out of the infield reliably.  That second skill may be even more obsolete than the first.

by Jay on Aug 14, 2007 10:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
It changes Gutz approach after he bunts. All he has to do is elevate the ball. Easier said than done, I know, but it is easier than having to drive the run in.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I just can't believe that we didn't bunt. It's mind boggling. That's baseball 101. I'm usually on Wedge's side, but that was absolutely stupid.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 10:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
17 strikes, 2 balls for Rafi ... great stat.

by Jay on Aug 14, 2007 10:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Blog watch:

LGT - 420 and climbing
Bless You Boys - 2

"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 10:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
But that means they've got a 1:1 post:run ratio, where as ours is at 210:1 and climbing...clearly they are more effective at what they do.

by APV on Aug 14, 2007 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
BYB commentary:

Post #1 - tonight's lineups
Post #2 - hating on Pudge for striking out in some random inning

That about covers it pretty efficiently. I expect to see a recap (maybe) and that's it.

"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Wow a few guys on the offense are not liked by WPA tonight.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 10:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Nice work Joe, put the fastest man in the world on 1st.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 10:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Hey JoeBo... this isn't a save situation, you don't have a lead... try not to put too many guys on base, 'kay?
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 10:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I hate the leadoff walk, reason #8:  It requires perfect defense to get out of the inning scoreless.

by Jay on Aug 14, 2007 10:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I mean, did we REALLY think we were going to score than run in last inning with Peralta, Gutz and Barfield as the men trying to get him in?  REALLY?

by tborish on Aug 14, 2007 10:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Well, we could have had some productive outs... like a sacrifice fly or two... but why not strike out? Hey, good try team!
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Gutz is a good hitter. Don't hate on him.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Incredible that our WE was over 80% after Gomez's double.

by Jay on Aug 14, 2007 10:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
/me points to sky

"Hmm... that's odd, looks like there's a crack up there."

"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 10:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Oh good lord.

Ok. I'm not sure I've ever criticized Wedge heavily.

I will now unless someone can tell me why Perez' isn't pitching.

by afh4 on Aug 14, 2007 10:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I guess JoeBo was warmed for the 9th, and he couldn't stay warm until the 11th.....gah what the f, this is ridiculous.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
2-3-4 hitters all righties.

Fuck, never mind.

by Jay on Aug 14, 2007 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I see another players only meeting on the horizon.

by APV on Aug 14, 2007 10:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
How many runs will we need in the bottom of the 10th?

by palcal on Aug 14, 2007 10:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
It doesn't matter.  We can't score.

by tborish on Aug 14, 2007 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
sigh...
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 10:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Wedge has made so angry right now. He has bumbled this game.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 10:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
If Underwood is right, and he gives hitters the option of doing whatever they want to get the man over, then yes I think he bumbled large.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
i also dislike you, magglio ordonez.
Disclaimer: this post doesn't mean what you think it means.

by AngG on Aug 14, 2007 10:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
OH MY GOD
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 10:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
And I am unplugging from the season

right

about

now.

Doesn't feel like the year too much, lately.

by afh4 on Aug 14, 2007 10:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Why does Borowski come into to pitch in tie games ?

He's got an ERA of 9+ in these situations this year according to the announcers.

by SpringTrainingFun on Aug 14, 2007 10:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Because that stat is almost certainly meaningless and random, it's only a handful of innings.

by Jay on Aug 14, 2007 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
A lot of teams put their closer in in extra inning games. They can't get a save so they may as well use a good pitcher. Too bad Borowski isn't exactly a lights out type.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I think we'll see that stop now, but I could be wrong.

by Jay on Aug 14, 2007 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
If you are, I will be extremely mad.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
4-run sigh...
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 10:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
So when does this JoeBo in non-save situations stop being a SSS?

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 10:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I think it's become an unexplainable

by dave @ Let's Go Tribe! on Aug 14, 2007 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Beat the traffic! /clap clap clap-clap-clap
Beat the traffic! /clap clap clap-clap-clap
Beat the traffic! /clap clap clap-clap-clap
...
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 10:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I have a feeling Borowski won't be back next year.

I also have a feeling if we don't make the playoffs we're going to remember this game (along with others, but this hurts).

by Gradyforpresident on Aug 14, 2007 10:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Last one hurt, too.  Had the tying run on 2B with no outs.  Tonight, the winning run.

by Jay on Aug 14, 2007 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Man...I seriously got home at the wrong time for this game.

by APV on Aug 14, 2007 10:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
now we need at least 4 run;  is Hafner up for a grand slam

by palcal on Aug 14, 2007 10:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
No, his hitters couldn't score 1 run over 8 innings even though they had runners in scoring position.
Turf Toe -- Sports skewered weakly (and weekly.)

by emd2k3 on Aug 14, 2007 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
You can't fire coaches just like that. He's not the one hitting out there. He's done a tremendous job, but these guys are flat as hell.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Speaking of Derek... he got engaged. (Hat tip: Royals Review)
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I hope his wife is a prude.

Haha I'm just made at everything in sight right now.

I just had a passing thought about the Maple Leafs. This is not good people.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Wedge better friggin explode tonight. Otherwise I'm driving down from Canada and crashing into the Jake. And possibly getting arrested. And possibly not extradited back here....ah crap never mind, I'm staying here, but what the hell!?!?!?!

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 10:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I will see you all again in Spring Training '08.

We do not deserve to be in the playoffs.

Still an Ohio boy through and through!

by TribeLoverInNewYork on Aug 14, 2007 10:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
vs. Left   26 0 0 0 0 0 0 18.1 5 - - 1 4 17 - 0.49 .088  

vs. Right   26 0 0 0 0 0 0 22.1 21 - - 3 6 25 - 1.21 .231

Which number is which doesn't matter. They are all good.

by afh4 on Aug 14, 2007 10:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I wonder where we would be if Foulke didn't retire and was good enough to win the closer's role.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 10:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Borowski's pretty good as a closer.  Not so much elsewhere.  It's bizarre and probably anecdotal, but it sure seems to be the pattern.

by CU Adam on Aug 14, 2007 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Yeah.........first post of the game thread (though I've been watching). What a joke though. You've got to be able to get a man in if he's on 2nd with no outs. Of course giving up 4 runs isn't exactly conducive to winning. Not really sure what to say....
"The hibachi is coming to a city near you. I'm cooking chicken and shrimp, but if you want to throw a double team my way, filet mignon gets cooked too"

by Rayman @ Let's Go Tribe! on Aug 14, 2007 10:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I believe (please correct me if I am wrong) that we had the winning run on 2nd in the 7th, 8th, and 9th innings with less than 2 outs and scored NADA ZIP ZILCH.

I'm sorry to be the 'negative troll' type (I listened up until the 6th inning on the radio, so no access to the board), so all of the bad stuff has transpired while I've been at home.

Turf Toe -- Sports skewered weakly (and weekly.)

by emd2k3 on Aug 14, 2007 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
3-28 with RISP on the homestand . . . wow.

by mplswahoo on Aug 14, 2007 10:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Ugh.  Even though I just turned the game on as Gomez got to 2nd on the double last inning, and have seen all this transpire, I feel contractually obligated as a Tribe fan to watch the conlusion.  I got to talk to my union rep about that.

by APV on Aug 14, 2007 10:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007

HELLO. I AM THE BEST RELIEVER ON THE STAFF.

by afh4 on Aug 14, 2007 10:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Haha... this sounds like a good start to a Dugout post.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Please use me. My manager refuses to put me in. I am sad.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I know man. Even if not using JoeBo would mean he becomes unavailable for the night, whatever. I have as much faith in Jensen or Tom in the top of extra innings as I do in Joe.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Wedge: "I'm not putting you in because you are giving me the stink eye in that picture"
Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Aug 14, 2007 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Haha you win for funniest posts of the night.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I'm sorry folks, but this season is over for us.  Wrap it up, ship it out and get ready for next year (again).  I'm tired of everyone turning every stat into a positive spin.  Flat out, this team is not very good.  It's not managed very good and we do not deserve to be in the playoffs.  The bottom of the ninth inning was the icing on the cake for me.  Why on Earth do you not bunt in that situation is beyond me, especially with the next two hitters coming up.  Look at the bright side, at least we have Wedge here for a few more years.  What a great signing, when it should have been done after the season.  I'm sure someone will reply with a positive stat to throw in my face.  

by tborish on Aug 14, 2007 10:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Randy Quaid? Is that you?

"I detest you! You're all garbage, all of ya! Back up the truck, back it up! Let's turn this place into a parking lot!"

"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I'm not going to throw a positive stat in your face. I'm just going to throw a healthy dose of STFU. Seriously, we're all pretty goddamned depressed right now, and this moronic post might put me over the edge.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!  And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the goin' gets tough... [thinks hard] the tough get goin'! Who's with me? Let's go!

by APV on Aug 14, 2007 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
As is "Germans?"

Otter: Germans?
Boone: Forget it, he's rolling.

by Fiddlesticks on Aug 14, 2007 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Ahh...I see what you're saying.  I'm known more for my dashing good looks than my "smarts"

by APV on Aug 14, 2007 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I don't know what to tell you.

I don't know...

by homelytourist on Aug 14, 2007 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
We're one win away from being tied for first place again. I do agree that not bunting was moronic, but the season isn't over. Everyone counted the Yankees out and look at them now.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Jhonny Peralta also refuses to make a good throw to first, along with hitting.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 10:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I wish my life were full of laughter and fun so games like this wouldn't crush my spirit.

But it's not.

by Fiddlesticks on Aug 14, 2007 10:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
We are cursed. It's the only excuse and I've come to except it.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 10:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Blog update #2...

LGT: 500+
BYB: 2.. they are being pretty quiet, probably to mock us.

"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 10:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
The Tiger that kills you is the one you never see or hear...

by APV on Aug 14, 2007 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Maybe they type their posts in invisible ink. I hear Tigers fans are sneaky like that.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Ah yes. CTRL-K(+)1 ... an old favorite IRC trick.
-- Been stuck in airports, terrorized. Sent to meetings, hypnotized. Overexposed, commercialized.

by vbc3 on Aug 14, 2007 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Good thing we had that day off yesterday.  
An embarassment.  All the way around.  

I think the saddest thing for me is how unlikable this team has become.  It's just tough to be so positive and upbeat on a squad when you can't move a guy to third.  Or better yet, have a manager that thinks he should fucking pinch-run for Garko in the 7th when you absolutely KNOW his turn will come up again, yet feels un-compelled to pinch hit for Barfield (TWICE), or for Peralta when you need to move a guy over.  

Borowski, look, I'm sick of the sample size shit.  How many times are we going to bring him into a tied game when his recent track record says otherwise?  He's not the best reliever on the bench not yet in the game.  Perez is.  And after that, you could argue we should go to Lewis.    

by cheech99 on Aug 14, 2007 10:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I still love this team.  Everyday while I am at work I look forward to coming home and watching the game.
Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Aug 14, 2007 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Sadly I agree with the unlikable part. I'm really developing a distaste for many of these guys, as hard as it is to say.

And I'm not sure how you can criticize the Garko move since Gomez did double there.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
strangely helpful post.  

as heartbreaking as this is--believe me, I'm physically ill--a win tomorrow and we're back to even in all respects.

I have some observations that might compound frustrations, but I'll mute them

by homelytourist on Aug 14, 2007 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
That's a very good point. But yes, pinch running in the 7th for one of the better hitters of late is a bit questionable in my mind.

The book on Barfield has to be attack, attack, attack. He has to swing at everything, even if it's close, because no one needs to waste their time with painting the corners with him. I would have thought that Cabrera could have saw an at-bat.

Turf Toe -- Sports skewered weakly (and weekly.)

by emd2k3 on Aug 14, 2007 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Where's that f'n RALLY BANANA! GET HIM OUT HERE!

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 10:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007

WOOOOOO

"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Everytime he shows up bad things happen. I can't take anymore bad things.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
You're kidding me, right?

Bad things are happening regardless.

I promise that if we somehow score 5 runs and win this game, I will never post another negative thing ever again. It will be all rose petals and freakin' sunshine from yours truly.

Turf Toe -- Sports skewered weakly (and weekly.)

by emd2k3 on Aug 14, 2007 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007

HEY ERIC HAVE YOU MET MY FRIEND RAFFY? HE IS JUST LIKE ME!

OH HAY. GOOD TO MEET U.

by afh4 on Aug 14, 2007 10:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
ROFL
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Don't make me laugh. I almost forgot how pissed I am.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I'd laugh if it wasn't so depressing.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
We need 5 rally bananas ASAP!
Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Aug 14, 2007 10:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Non-save situation for Todd Jones? That sounds familiar... let's destroy their closer when it doesn't matter for the save stat!
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 10:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Word on the street: Todd Jones is an epileptic.

We're golden.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 10:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Along these lines, if you knew an opposing player had a form of epilepsy that was triggered by photic stimulus, you think it would be against the rules to flash strobe lights all over the stadium?

Although I guess any epileptics in the crowd wouldn't be too amused.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Okay, J-Mike... there we go.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 10:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
It is sad to realize that the Reds are 17 games under .500 and play with more drive and motivation than this team in the thick of a pennant chase. How depressing is it to see one of the worst teams in the league have more hustle and play with more fundamentals than the Tribe. You have to blame the manager

by tborish on Aug 14, 2007 10:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
They don't have more hustle and play. What team are you watching?
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Are you plastic and naked?  Do you have neon hair and a gem for a bellybutton?
Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Aug 14, 2007 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
JoBo has not struggled in tie games.  He has in fact been very good in tie games.

Prior to tonight, JoBo had been used in six tie games this season.  In those six games, he gave up -- wait for it -- two runs.  Six innings, six strikeouts, one walk, six hits -- no home runs.

You want to ridicule sample size, fine.  You want to believe things about a handful of innings, fine -- but sadly, JoBo had great stats in those six innings, so your theory collapses anyway.

You want obsess over a "non-save situations" stat, that's you're right, I guess.  I don't know what a tie game situation has in common with having a 4+ run lead, but maybe someone can explain it to me.

by Jay on Aug 14, 2007 10:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Didn't he give up a homer in Chicago?
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Yes, but that wasn't a tie game.  We were ahead by 1 run at the time.

by Jay on Aug 14, 2007 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Ahh, that's right
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I don't mean to antagonize. I'm making myself feel better.

All I'll say is that I want to best relievers used in the highest leverage situations. Period. Closers are weird beasts and all but still. The best guy is the best choice.

This isn't about Borowski for me. It's about Perez.

by afh4 on Aug 14, 2007 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Especially when we can't buy a win. You can't take any chances in this situation.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
That is fine for me.  I just want to see all the people mocking "sample size" backtrack now.  Come on, now, people, line up ...

by Jay on Aug 14, 2007 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
You're right.  I should have typed "non-save" instead of "tie game".  In the heat of the game you kind of lose the moment of wanting to type out a comment after scrambling to find the info.  I often go by memory; shouldn't have done so there.  

by cheech99 on Aug 14, 2007 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Venting... to a degree, if only to have some voice of reason call me out.  But OK, I'll bite.  All things being equal, your choice of reliever going into the bottom of the 9th was none other than Joe Borowski?  

I don't know, sometimes I think you have to have a bit of feel for what a letdown of an inning that top of the 9th was.  With the Tigers chomping at the bit, and seeing cement mixer Joe coming in instead of shutdown Raffy Perez... well, if we're not going to use arguably our best reliever on the team in that situation, what are we waiting for?

And I was screaming for that as the inning started.  

by cheech99 on Aug 14, 2007 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Have you guys ever heard of primal scream?

Anyone wanna try it with me?  3..  2... 1...

by homelytourist on Aug 14, 2007 10:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
LOBlake is on board... let's keep it going, boys!
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 10:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Tying run on deck.  You know how soul-crushing that is to hear at an Indians game in mid-August 2007.
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by emd2k3 on Aug 14, 2007 10:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
We need another banana!
Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Aug 14, 2007 10:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I've got a thought. (sorry if someone posted it before) ... everyone on this team should play wiffle ball at least once a month.
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by emd2k3 on Aug 14, 2007 10:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
a little known fact:  J-Barf hits with a yellow, hollow-core plastic fungo  all the time

by homelytourist on Aug 14, 2007 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
WIDEN JACOBS FIELD!
HIRE GROUNDSCREWS!
FIRE CHALK DRAW-ERS!
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
how about the get-rid-of-Underwood fund?

by ASP on Aug 14, 2007 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
How do you strikeout against Todd Jones? He has terrible stuff.
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by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 10:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
14 Ks. SIgh.  I think there has to be some kind of action around this.  
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by emd2k3 on Aug 14, 2007 10:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Wedge needs to go batshit crazy. His approach is obviously not working. We need...Billy Martin.
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by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Fake Billy Martin might work as well. He just needs to get in their face. We're staring at a collapse like 2005 again. Only on a bigger scale.
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by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
tough luck loss sigh...

... no hitting with RISP sigh...

Well, let's get back on track tomorrow, please. Just one game out with a month of baseball to turn it around.

"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 10:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
With all the other nonsense, I had forgotten about Granderson's catch.

What if he misses it by six inches?  Pronk hit exactly the gapper we needed.  We'd have headed into the 9th up 4-2, Borowski facing the bottom of the lineup instead of the top.

What kind of manager is Wedge then?

What kind of hitters do we have then?

by Jay on Aug 14, 2007 10:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I believe Pronk would be back, more hiring of Wedge, and awesome offense.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
He'd be a manager who pinch ran for Garko in the 7th and didn't pitch hit for Barfield with 2 out and 2 on in the 7th.  

But yes, the rest would be wiped clean I guess.  

by cheech99 on Aug 14, 2007 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
You cannot honestly say that. If I wanted to look at every game, I could find a situation like that. The fact of the matter is that you have to work with the situation you're in. There is no denying how bad Wedge and Borowski screwed up today.
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by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Borowski, yes -- obviously.

Wedge, not so sure.

Biggest mistake I can see is not pinch-hitting for Barfield in the 7th.  I can't get behind asking Peralta to bunt if he's not that good at it -- it's just not that good of a play.  Giving up an out to get the guy from 2B to 3B, the chance of scoring goes up -- but only from 63% to 67%.

It only helps if the next batter gets the ball out of the infield.  The other team can also walk the next batter -- Gutierrez -- to put Barfield into a GIDP situation.  How's that going to turn out?

So I can get behind the bunt there, but only if you have the right personnel in place to do it.  I don't see how anyone can say that was the case here -- not just JP, but Gootz and Barfield as well.

by Jay on Aug 14, 2007 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007

HAY DOES NEBODY WANT TO PLAY CATCH? I WANT TO GET A LITTLE WORK IN.

GUYZ? WHY IS EVERYONE WALKING INTO THE CLUBHOUSE? GUYZ?

weeps for the past

by afh4 on Aug 14, 2007 10:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I have no problem with going to Borowski in the 10th.

My big problem is the awesome strikeout display this team puts on display day in and day out.

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by emd2k3 on Aug 14, 2007 10:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Thoughts on tonights game:
Hafner looks hurt.  
JoBo should not be allowed near a tie game.
Wedge needs to rethink his approach to in game decisions.  
Peralta needs to be capable of bunting.  He is not a good enough hitter to be that deficient at bunting.
Shelton should be less than a week away from being fired.

by Ryan Kelsey on Aug 14, 2007 10:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I guess since 1-run games are "Near tie games" that pretty much rules out any usage of JoeBo the rest of the year.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I hate to say it, but Wedge's decisions tonight have made me wonder if he's the right man for the job. I've always supported him, but I have to question his sanity. Has he not noticed that our offense is in a slump? Why wouldn't you bunt? It's not like we're raking out there. Borowski, I blame separately. I don't blame Wedge for using him, but I wonder if he knows how much we're struggling. We have to use the best man for the job until we start winning again.
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by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Branyan game-winning HR for Phillies - we could have used him tonight

by palcal on Aug 14, 2007 10:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
The bad news just keeps pouring in.
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by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
At this point, all I want to hear is Wedge's post-game explanation of the Peralta non-bunt. He can't flat out say that he has no confidence in Jhonny bunting can he?

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 10:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I cannot understand how you are a major league caliber player and cannot bunt.  It's mind boggling.
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by emd2k3 on Aug 14, 2007 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I don't think that matters, there's another shortstop sitting on the bench that is highly capable of laying a bunt down. We saw it not even one week ago.

by ASP on Aug 14, 2007 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
It does matter. I don't know how much JP is making but it should stipulate in his contract that, unless  he hits 40 homers and drives in 120 RBI, he should know how to bunt. He is not a super slugger that doesn't need to know how.
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by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I don't disagree with you at all.  I do wonder what happens in the event that Asdrubal gets the job done though.  My guess, as I stated earlier, is that Gutz is intentionally walked and we're stuck with Barfield in a first and third, one out situation.  Not sure that works either . . . and that may have factored into Wedge's thinking. . . .

Wedge may have preferred 3 chances to get one hit . . . just speculation on my part, however.

by mplswahoo on Aug 14, 2007 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Then pinch hit Shoppach. Move Victor to first and put Gomez at second. That flexibility is why he's on the team.
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by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I think you are really vastly overestimating the kinds of edges you're gaining here -- if any.  JP has a reasonably good chance of hitting for extra bases, and so does Gootz for that matter.  If either one does that, then the game is over -- but you expect the manager to lift a 20 HR guy so his four-day veteran can bunt?

I really don't think any big league manager does that.

by Jay on Aug 14, 2007 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I know it's a tough call to make. I'm pretty angry right now and I just wanted Wedge to do something to help us get out of this funk. I still think that bunting is the right call. Especially with Peralta being 0-8 against this guy. I just don't know anymore. I'm almost up for drawing names out of a hat to determine the lineup. Romeo Crennel advocates this method, anyway.
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by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I think Peralta's track record against the guy -- not so much the o-fer as the K's -- is the best argument for the bunt there, but you still have to be prepared for it to suck.

I guess the main case that I would make is that given that he's a good hitter, you can't pull Peralta in that spot just so AstroCab can bunt.

by Jay on Aug 14, 2007 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Indians were so overjoyed at scoring in the 1st inning, they were distracted the rest of the game

by palcal on Aug 14, 2007 10:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Hammy says Wedge has some interesting thoughts coming up

by palcal on Aug 14, 2007 10:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I'm reposting this from above; I want to make sure everyone sees it.

I can't get behind asking Peralta to bunt if he's not that good at it -- it's just not that good of a play.  Giving up an out to get the guy from 2B to 3B, the chance of scoring goes up -- but only from 63% to 67%.

It only helps if the next batter gets the ball out of the infield.  The other team can also walk the next batter -- Gutierrez -- to put Barfield into a GIDP situation.  How's that going to turn out?

So I can get behind the bunt there, but only if you have the right personnel in place to do it.  I don't see how anyone can say that was the case here -- not just JP, but Gootz and Barfield as well.

by Jay on Aug 14, 2007 10:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
You can't use a normal stat in our situation. Our offense has been absolutely terrible. Anything that raises our chances is a great thing. A productive out is better than trying to get lucky.
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by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
It's little comfort now, but there's a good chance Peralta makes quite a few productive outs sans bunt over 100s of ABs in that situation.

Like Jay said, I think you take your chances and let the guy hit.  

by homelytourist on Aug 14, 2007 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I've always had a question about the probabilities....how do they calculate those? Do they summarize all of those situations from MLB history? Do they take into account current personnel?

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
TangoTiger published real "run frequency" data from 1999-2002, and I was using that.  That was a higher run-scoring environment than we have now, but the difference would be negligible for this particular comparison.

by Jay on Aug 14, 2007 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Does WPA use those stats? And how much do you think the players involved affect those probabilities?

Haha sorry for the 20 questions.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
WPA does use those stats, though I'm not sure over what time period.

For this sample, we're talking about almost 10,000 games, so the particular players involved would have to average out.  I will try to find stats specific to 9th + extras, which might be a little different.

There can be little doubt that the particular players involved affect the probabilities significantly.  If Lofton is up, he bunts -- not just because he knows how, but also because he might not give up an out in the process.

by Jay on Aug 14, 2007 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Re-read my post.

Even if AstroCab bunts successfully, it's not a good situation for us.  Gutierrez -- four-time minor league K champ -- isn't the best guy to get the ball out of the infield, plus they can just walk him to set up Barfield for the GIDP.

by Jay on Aug 14, 2007 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
THen you'd have to pinch hit for Barf there.

Or at least have Barf try to bunt for a hit, depending upon what hand the pitcher is, and where the first baseman is playing.

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by emd2k3 on Aug 14, 2007 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Woooooo Wedge seems agitated!

"These guys gotta find something to get themselves motivated. Enough is enough!"

Doesn't directly address the bunt though.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 10:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I have a crazy idea. How about the manager tries to get them motivated? Nuts, I know.
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by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I disagree with this. You expect him to do a sing and dance?

And Wedge does seem pissed. This is awesome.

"I'm not pointing anybody out. But I feel it with a few guys. I'll let them figure it out."

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
No, I expect him to do what he's doing now. Getting angry. It's about time. I'm talking about getting in people's faces and telling them it's not going to be like this. We're going to win and that's the end of it.
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by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Would you really be motivated if you were just being constantly yelled at to your face all day?
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
All day!!! How about once. I;m not talking about constantly riding them, but about changing his passive attitude.
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by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I take it you didn't listen to his press conference. He was exactly how I expect a manager to be... not in-your-face-angry at players, and not selling the farm because we lost tonight. Wedge was rational that we are in the thick of things where we want to be, but he was upset that we didn't execute when we needed to, especially because we had opportunities. It might be the first time I've ever truly appreciated Eric Wedge in his entire tenure.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
This is great that he's doing it now. I said that in an earlier post. It needed to be done before. Why wait until we are embarrassed again?
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by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
So...how come guys who make a gazillion bucks and are in the middle of a division race need a manager to motivate them?  
Chagrin Rick

by Chagrin Rick on Aug 14, 2007 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Lofton and Sizemore in same position in batting order Wednesday

by palcal on Aug 14, 2007 11:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
And let me guess, the blakester is batting 2nd hogging all those at-bats! super.

by hans on Aug 15, 2007 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Here's where overreactions are unnecessary tonight:

  • We had a PECOTA-adjusted 56.9% chance to make the playoffs coming into tonight. With tonight's loss, we don't drop to 0%. We're only one game out.
  • With a current 65-54 record, and 33 games left to play, a .500 record gets us to a 81.5-70.5 record. On average, it takes 90.8 wins to win the AL Central. If we finish 91-71, we only have to win 6 out of every 10 games (.605 winning percentage). We can achieve this.
  • With tonight's loss, that puts us nearly identical to what our expected W-L record should be. The Tigers are right around theirs too. So it's not like we're trying to overcome a vastly better team, Pythagenport-speaking that is.

But, of course, things need to be improved to achieve a playoff berth at this point... such as:

Let's talk strikeouts.

  • Since the All-Star Break: 255 Ks, 31 GP, 8.22 avg K/GP
  • During a 33-19 April+May: 396 Ks, 52 GP, 7.61 avg K/GP
  • From June up until the ASG Break, with a 19-17 record: 259 Ks, 36 GP, 7.19 avg K/GP
How about bases on balls?
  • Since the All-Star Break: 102 BBs, 3.29 avg BB/GP
  • During a 33-19 April+May: 234 BBs, 4.50 avg BB/GP
  • From June up until the ASG Break, with a 19-17 record: 130 BBs, 3.61 avg BB/GP
That puts our OPS at...
  • Since the All-Star Break: .698
  • During a 33-19 April+May: .804
  • From June up until the ASG Break, with a 19-17 record: .772

I wouldn't say we're dive bombing into the ground, but I don't think I can quite put my finger on what the offensive problem is. No, it's not that "these guys just don't want it"... because who in the MLB doesn't want to win? Not sure if it's mechanics, as I haven't been able to view an Indians game all year. But that stats aren't really telling a great difference, other than things like OPS are declining as we move on. But I don't think I see it as something alarmingly negative, just cooling off after a hot start out of the gate.

Listen kids, we're playing the kind of baseball we expected in the beginning of the year (xW-L wise that is). We're one game out of first place in the Central. The sky isn't falling yet. Relax. It's August. Listen to Wedge's press conference. He's been hitting the nail on the head in every question tonight.

"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 11:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Looks like the walks to me.  And I think part of it is a trickle-down effect from pitchers not pitching around Pronk anymore.  It changes the lineup.

by Jay on Aug 14, 2007 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I think that you're right. We didn't notice the difference, because of Victor's superb first half. Now that he's cooled we are seeing the result.
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by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I think moving Grady to 3rd might help to negate this a bit. I wish Blake didn't bat second, but gosh, there's really no one else right now.
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by emd2k3 on Aug 14, 2007 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Jay, would you agree that it seems that pitchers are now looking to get around Martinez to get to Hafner, and he's just not producing as he should be? I don't think I've seen any of your proposed lineups, and I'd be interested to see what you might do.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I was a big Barf supporter and defender earlier in the year, but I am really baffled as to his complete drop off.   He's such a liability in the lineup I think you need to go to Gomez and Cabrera a little more in the coming weeks.
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by emd2k3 on Aug 14, 2007 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I have to believe that it's just a mental thing now. He's set himself up to fail. Gomez has been pretty impressive since he got here. I see a start in his future.
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by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I don't think there's any doubt we're going to be seeing a lot more of Gomez at 2B.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Gahnki, I gotta think you aren't in anyone's head on this team, and I'm not either. I'm not calling you out or anything, but I will disagree with you on the "he's setting himself up to fail" issue. I don't know why Josh Barfield would go up to bat thinking he's going to suck something major and go sit back down. If he is, well, he might need to go see a psychologist or a kinesiologist or a Scientologist or something. Maybe it's just me, but I just can't see grown men/MLB players/rational thinkers going up to the plate and completing their own negative self-fulfilling prophecies.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I think he's being more nuanced than that. I think he's saying that Barfield is more likely to press and make mistakes (with pitch selection, batting eye, swing mechanics, etc.) than other hitters due to the horrendous run he's had, not that he walks up to the plate thinking "well, I'm going to fail here again."
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by emd2k3 on Aug 14, 2007 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Yeah, but hitters are only expected to get on base once out of every three at-bats... even if you're slumping, you gotta think you can get on eventually. Again, a disclaimer: I am not a MLB hitter, in fact, I've never even gotten out of eighth-grade baseball. So, perhaps I'm missing something, but I don't think you can will yourself into a hit. You can go up there, however, think you'll do poorly, and then do so... but who'd want to have that mindset?
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
It's not exactly a mindset. It's like having that feeling that you won't get on...just because. It's a depressing feeling and you try to do whatever you can to get a hit. You start thinking about irrational things like jinxes, different bats, predetermining a pitch to swing at, etc. What he should be doing is getting back to the basics and trying to stay positive. I just think that's impossible with the team doing so badly right now. All it takes is one good game, however.
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by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I should definitely clarify. I meant that he's so used to failing that he goes in there expecting to get out. A slump can kill a player's confidence, as I'm sure you know. He's been in this slump so long that he expects to fail. That and the FO bringing in Gomez and calling up AstroCab. It has to just kill his confidence.
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by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Funny, I mentioned this idea before and was shot down, when discussing Sizemore's lower SLG. this year compared to last.

Pitch recognition my dear gents! It'll decrease strikeouts, decrease swinging and fouling off pitches that would have been balls, and increase walks! Where did this wonderful talent of these Cleveland Indians go?

by hans on Aug 15, 2007 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
And when we're four games out of first, we'll say, "We're only four games out."  And when we're six games out, we'll say, "Stranger things have happened."  And when we're eight games out, we'll say, "It's not mathematically impossible..."  And when the 162d game is played, we'll say, "Oh, well...there's always next year."
Chagrin Rick

by Chagrin Rick on Aug 14, 2007 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
True, but we were two games out a few weeks ago.

by Jay on Aug 14, 2007 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Good post.

I have been a bit irrational lately due to PASSION, not hatred.  But yes, they are only 1 game out with many more to play. I think we lose sight of the fact that their only goal should be to win the Central, whatever that takes.  

I'm hoping this slide is the low point of the season, and that September becomes the high point.

I'm still in the semi-anti-Wedge camp, but I'd love to hear what he's saying (no good radio reception here at home, STO is on Browns training camp crep.)

Turf Toe -- Sports skewered weakly (and weekly.)

by emd2k3 on Aug 14, 2007 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Holy crap, for those of you complaining about Wedge not getting fired up, please listen to the audio from his post-game.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 11:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Can someone turn off the rally bananna light...it's making it hard for me to sleep

by APV on Aug 14, 2007 11:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Someone post the Don't Stop Believin' video. Please?

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 11:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I hope no one posts the one the Chicago White Sox ruined (almost) forever. Journey as their team's "theme song" for their WS Championship makes me want to puke.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 14, 2007 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Wedge said he thinks some guys are feeling sorry for themselves

by palcal on Aug 14, 2007 11:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
This team is "Wedging" badly right now.

Wedging: playing poorest when expectations are highest

by JulioBernazard on Aug 14, 2007 11:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Don't stop believin' folks.

If someone tells me how to embed youtube videos I'll do that instead.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 11:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
There's the "South Detroit" line, and the fact that the White Sox employed it for their run... I'm not sure this tune is appropriate.

How about something totally arbitrary, like Yaz or the Ramones or something?

by homelytourist on Aug 14, 2007 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
How about Tear It Up by Queen? I think it sums up what we need to do nicely. Tear it up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pr9_EE5VerE

I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
A fine nomination.  There should be a diary.

by homelytourist on Aug 14, 2007 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Yeah, we need a song that's not been overused by every other sports team and/or political hack out there.

I'd certainly vote for a Ramones or Clash type of thing if anyone has any suggestions.

Turf Toe -- Sports skewered weakly (and weekly.)

by emd2k3 on Aug 14, 2007 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
When he starts singing about baby, he can be referring to a championship.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
The theme from The Jeffersons?
-- Been stuck in airports, terrorized. Sent to meetings, hypnotized. Overexposed, commercialized.

by vbc3 on Aug 14, 2007 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Sweet thanks Jay. Can you tell me how to do that so I don't have to harass you guys after every game?

And I'm convinced that if Wedge forced his players to watch that video before every game there's no way we would ever lose. Ever. So many good times from this year already....I've already forgotten how pissed I am and am pumped for tomorrow night.

by supermarioelia on Aug 14, 2007 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
There's embed code right on the YouTube page next to the video.  The blog engine will reject a lot of it, but the part it doesn't reject will still work.

by Jay on Aug 14, 2007 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Nice Jay.

Anyone looking to get in the spirit also needs to play this:  And the 1986 Indians' theme song.

by SpringTrainingFun on Aug 15, 2007 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Haha... brilliant! This kinda reminds me of what would be playing in the background during the photo shoot of the infamous "Indian Uprising" SI cover... just to make it more depressing in retrospect when we continued to toil in mediocrity.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 15, 2007 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I'm confused, what does small pox have to do with baseball?

by supermarioelia on Aug 15, 2007 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I really hope there's a music video for this.

Also!

The cheesy 80's team song with the brass reminds me of this for some reason.

<object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/f9eF6DVI0tk"></param></object>

by supermarioelia on Aug 15, 2007 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
I can't make up my mind on if this is the best video ever or the worst.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ0Dk4qOYT8

by ASP on Aug 14, 2007 11:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
One vote for best from me.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 14, 2007 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Time to vent...this is just unbelievable to watch. After three weeks of the worst offense in the Jacobs Field era, this team takes a day off and then puts together some of the worst AB's I've seen during this stretch. THREE guys hit the ball the to the opposite field (maybe there were more in the 10th, I didn't watch), and one was in just his second game in a Tribe uni. Martinez was awful. Peralta was brutal. So was Barf. Seems like everyone is looking for a fastball to drive, and that's it. Fourteen more K's.

Hafner is really hurting...I don't know if you try to have him play through it or not. Give him credit, he still took some decent swings. But did you see where Granderson was playing him before he made that great catch? That's where you play slap-hitting singles hitters...sadly, that's what he's been for much of the past three months.

Peralta is much closer to 2006 than 2005. Behind virtually every fastball and out in front of virtually every offspeed pitch. I don't know how you can hit like that.

I didn't really have a problem with not bunting in the 9th...Gutz K's a lot against righties, so it's not like it was automatic that he would get him in.

Sadly, I just can't watch anymore of this until they start having better at-bats, if that ever happens. For the first time since the last day of the 2005 season, I won't make an attempt to watch at least part of Wednesday's game.  I'll check scores, watch highlights, etc. But I can't handle watching this stunning and total complete offensive collapse for now. I just can't.

by TribeJay on Aug 15, 2007 12:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Brutal, just brutal.  I'm feeling like I did during the final White Sox series in '05.  Can't they win anything?

Three straight losses to the Yankee's and we throw our ace up against a pitcher in a funk and still can't manage more than 2 runs?  

Sorry, but these guys just don't belong in the playoffs.

LeBron must GO!

by mauichuck on Aug 15, 2007 6:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
It was great to see a (nearly) packed house last night. Granderson catching that fly ball was just a punch to the gut to crowd, you could audibly hear the air let out of us. It seemed improbable that he could make up the distance on that last 6 feet ... some of the people attending were already celebrating the win as the ball descended.

Sure would have been nice having Gomez playing for Barfield last night.

by Toxicadam on Aug 15, 2007 8:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Today's Irrational Positivity Fact:

A win tonight and we're still tied for the division lead, and no worse than 2 back of the wildcard leaders.

by supermarioelia on Aug 15, 2007 10:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
Just listened to the postgame interview last night and I think Wedge is talking to Hafner when he addresses toughness.  Just a hunch but it sounds like he feels that Hafner is feeling pressure and feeling sorry for himself.

by NickFantana on Aug 15, 2007 11:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 14, 2007
he implied he felt several guys were feeling sorry for themselves

will it be reflected in who gets benched tonight or will he give them 1 more chance?

by palcal on Aug 15, 2007 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

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