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Game Thread: August 21, 2007

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Cleveland at Detroit, 7:05 PM (STO)

Starting Pitchers:

Cleveland: Fausto Carmona (159.2 IP, 3.16 ERA, 81 PRC)
Detroit: Jair Jurrjens (7.0 IP, 5.14 ERA, 2 PRC)

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Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
K. Lofton lf
C. Blake 3b
G. Sizemore cf
V. Martinez c  
T. Hafner dh
R. Garko 1b
T. Nixon rf
J. Peralta ss
A. Cabrera 2b

C. Granderson cf  
P. Polanco 2b
G. Sheffield dh
M. Ordonez rf
C. Guillen ss  
I. Rodriguez c  
S. Casey 1b  
M. Thames lf
R. Raburn 3b

Gutz not in the lineup despite his HR last time out against Mr. Soap.

by supermarioelia on Aug 21, 2007 6:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
I know Peralta has been struggling lately, but putting him behind Nixon?  That's harsh!

by Buckeye Brad on Aug 21, 2007 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
what exactly does blake hitting 2nd do for this lineup?  i think the better lineup is: Lofton, Grady, Vic, Garko, Hafner, Peralta, Gutz/Nixon/Blake hitting 7-8, Cabrera
But what do I know.  I just look at the move of Sizemore to 3rd while keeping Blake 2nd as a way of taking at bats away from Grady and giving them to Casey

by mpstable on Aug 21, 2007 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
So...is AstroCab the new 2b? Barfield hasn't started in a while.

Go Tribe!

by obobcatu on Aug 21, 2007 6:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Barf's indefinitely benched, with Gomez and Droob getting his starts. Dunno how long that's going to keep up, though.
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by AngG on Aug 21, 2007 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
I say as long as AstroCab's able to outhit Barf, might as well give him the job.

by zempf on Aug 21, 2007 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
yeah I totally agree with letting AstroCab play a lot after seeing how he's played so far. But, are they just giving up on Barf now? Maybe he's the guy who is getting shipped out when we need a 5th starter.

by obobcatu on Aug 21, 2007 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
2B-men are a weak lot, probably the weakest hitters by position these days, but Barf's hitting declined to a level where I think Rouse might very well be his equal given similar chances.  I can't believe how bad he was.  AstroCab seems like a good bet to at match or improve upon Barfield's showing, and his glove is superior to Josh's as well.  

I don't know what to make of Barfield just yet.  I find his collapse and pending demotion to be the most surprising event of this season.

by homelytourist on Aug 21, 2007 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
How soon we forget how bad Rouse was.  As bad as Barfield was, and as small as the sample was for Rouse, it nonetheless is highly unlikely that Rouse could outhit Barfield.  You might want to take a look at their prior track records if you doubt this.  There's no reason to think Rouse will ever do what Barfield did post-Break in 2006.

Also!  Barfield's benching, like Marte's demotion, is more opportunistic than anything.  If AstroCab had not made himself an option, I expect Josh would be sharing starts with Gomez.

by Jay on Aug 21, 2007 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Ok, similar adjectives apply to both Rouse and Barfield but the numbers do seperate them a little.

Let's see, Josh:
K rate up.  ISO discipline and power (!) down. The trendline looks a lot like Kaz Matsui's, albeit without the league change.

The lynchpin is plate discipline.  If he restores what he's back in business as a league average 2B.  Tony Womack with fewer SB.

Not sure wht a RHH like Barfield would share starts with a RHH like Gomez, but I'll take your word for it.

by homelytourist on Aug 21, 2007 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
and by a little I mean a lot, or some quantity in between a little and a lot.

by homelytourist on Aug 21, 2007 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
don't read that! read this!
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by AngG on Aug 21, 2007 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
It's like they're a sub-union, and Astro-Cab's A Scab.

Like Batman in that scene, Barfield needs to get inspired.  

by homelytourist on Aug 21, 2007 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
oh, batfield.
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by AngG on Aug 21, 2007 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
indeed. (although i admit, the j-mike one makes me laugh hardest.)
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by AngG on Aug 21, 2007 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Nixonrine has to be the biggest stretch around. They should've used C&O's photoshop of Nixon and Dellucci.

by supermarioelia on Aug 21, 2007 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
what are you talking about? wolverine would totally pie a dude in the face.
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by AngG on Aug 21, 2007 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
i know replying to myself is bad form, but ever since i said this i'm like "man, that would have made the phoenix saga about a gajillion times even awesomer. more pies to the face." this is why i am banned from... pretty much everything ever.
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by AngG on Aug 21, 2007 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Man, I could really go for another round of icy, cold Fausto's tonight.
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Aug 21, 2007 6:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
wow. anderson and pawlowski are on location for this indians on-deck. gettin' fancy there, kids.

(in other news, is it ever going to stop raining? i would like to someday be able to drive down my road again.)

and indians on-deck says laffey's getting the saturday start.

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by AngG on Aug 21, 2007 6:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
You can't drive in the rain? Or do you mean that it's so bad that there's standing water on the roads?  I think it's the latter.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 21, 2007 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
the latter. a lot of streets out here have been impassable due to standing water today, up to and including a few miles of I-75. :\
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by AngG on Aug 21, 2007 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
In so many words, Rod Allen: "The Indians suck".

by ASP on Aug 21, 2007 7:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
and V-Mart played right field the last time Jurrjens pitched.

by ASP on Aug 21, 2007 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Haha Rod Allen has already put Purcello in the starting five.

by supermarioelia on Aug 21, 2007 7:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
"Grady will be able to do what Grady does best and that is let it all hang out."

Oh my Rod Allen, oh my.

by supermarioelia on Aug 21, 2007 7:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT KENNY????
c'mon now dawg....

by GermanysTribeFan on Aug 21, 2007 7:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Not cool Kenny.

On a lighter note....

"Well, nice to meet you, Jair Jurrjens, from Kneurgen, near the Joergen Fjords. Hmm. Kneurgen, that's in the Klargen Province, near the Biburgen River."

by supermarioelia on Aug 21, 2007 7:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
word?
c'mon now dawg....

by GermanysTribeFan on Aug 21, 2007 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
I can't decide who's worse between Hawk Harrelson & Rod Allen. Harrelson has his annoying catchphrases & stupid accent, but Allen seems to somehow not know anything about anything.

by zempf on Aug 21, 2007 7:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Adam Miller pitched another perfect inning today. A strikeout to go with it as well.
The poster formerly known as JRam.

by Joe on Aug 21, 2007 7:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
I'll take eight more quick, cold Fautos Please!

by JK in CBus on Aug 21, 2007 7:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Vic could not have taken any more time getting to 1st there.

by supermarioelia on Aug 21, 2007 7:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Finally back home with a real internet connection (and cable).  This will be the first game I've watched since early June.

by CU Adam on Aug 21, 2007 7:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Well, lets hope the Indians hit like they did when you stopped watching.
God truly does hate cleveland sports.

by Gradysmanldy on Aug 21, 2007 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
It'd be nice.  I've gotten pretty sick of seeing "In play, out(s) recorded" over and over again on Gamecast.

by CU Adam on Aug 21, 2007 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Fausto with 19 pitches through 2, has yet to break a sweat. He is considering jogging in place in the dugout so that he feels like he really is getting a workout.
God truly does hate cleveland sports.

by Gradysmanldy on Aug 21, 2007 7:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Gamecast shows that ball Buzz hit as fairly deep to left; was it?
God truly does hate cleveland sports.

by Gradysmanldy on Aug 21, 2007 7:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Yep. Fairly.
The poster formerly known as JRam.

by Joe on Aug 21, 2007 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Cabrera seems to hit a bunch of balls in the outfield. I like.
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by Joe on Aug 21, 2007 7:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
They keep calling Carmona Cabrera.
Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Aug 21, 2007 7:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
ada boi fausto
c'mon now dawg....

by GermanysTribeFan on Aug 21, 2007 7:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
That is one ice-cold Fausto on the mound tonight.

by supermarioelia on Aug 21, 2007 7:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
You think someone stole all the indians bats are replaced them with styrofoam?
God truly does hate cleveland sports.

by Gradysmanldy on Aug 21, 2007 7:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Yikes. No-hitting detroit might not cut it.
God truly does hate cleveland sports.

by Gradysmanldy on Aug 21, 2007 7:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
The AKRON F'NG AEROS had 10 baserunners off Jurrjens in 5.2 IP on July 2nd. We've reached an unthinkable new low.

by supermarioelia on Aug 21, 2007 7:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Meh. That doesn't mean too much.
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by Joe on Aug 21, 2007 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Jurrgens is going thru our lineup like a hot knife thru butter. Wedge should just tell everybody to choke up two inches on the bat like they do in little league.

Fausto looks unhittable as well.

by mcrose on Aug 21, 2007 7:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Choke up? Egads man! Surely you aren't interested in making contact or anything!
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by emd2k3 on Aug 21, 2007 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
There was a story recently in BA about a AA coach that made his whole team do that when they were in a funk and K'ing a lot, and it really helped a few guys. Colby Rasmus went on a freaking tear.

by mcrose on Aug 21, 2007 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
The one positive I'm drawing out of this so far is that I'd rather have the no-hit ground ball pitcher than the no-hit flyball pitcher.

by supermarioelia on Aug 21, 2007 7:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
True but he's not normally a flyball pitcher.
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by Joe on Aug 21, 2007 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
HUSH. EVERYONE HUSH. Jinx Jurrens but MAKE NO MENTION of Fausto. Or I will blame it on all of you.

by Gradyforpresident on Aug 21, 2007 7:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
DAYUM!
c'mon now dawg....

by GermanysTribeFan on Aug 21, 2007 7:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
man, fausto. i am so fond of you.
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by AngG on Aug 21, 2007 7:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
if got a fever.....and the only perscription....is more fausto
c'mon now dawg....

by GermanysTribeFan on Aug 21, 2007 7:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
WAS THAT A CURVEBALL?
The poster formerly known as JRam.

by Joe on Aug 21, 2007 7:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
??!!!??!!!
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by Joe on Aug 21, 2007 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
btw, they are making contact.....just not good contact.
God truly does hate cleveland sports.

by Gradysmanldy on Aug 21, 2007 8:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Gary Sheffield wears Fausto Carmona pajamas to bed.
God truly does hate cleveland sports.

by Gradysmanldy on Aug 21, 2007 8:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
boo, raburn. :O
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by AngG on Aug 21, 2007 8:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
At this point, it's the battle of whose been slumping th....uhhhh.....least length.
God truly does hate cleveland sports.

by Gradysmanldy on Aug 21, 2007 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Hafner is absolutely due for a big hit. I hope it's today.
God truly does hate cleveland sports.

by Gradysmanldy on Aug 21, 2007 8:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
oh for pete's sake.
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by AngG on Aug 21, 2007 8:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Both pitchers are pounding the strike zone.  Chances are you're going to see something good to hit early, or be in a 2-strike hole.

by nickjs21 on Aug 21, 2007 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Gah, Gark. See a pitch.
God truly does hate cleveland sports.

by Gradysmanldy on Aug 21, 2007 8:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Do you think Fausto and CC compare crappy run support totals with one another?
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by emd2k3 on Aug 21, 2007 8:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
anybody believe in inverse jinxing?
c'mon now dawg....

by GermanysTribeFan on Aug 21, 2007 8:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
... boo, magglio. go cut your hair.
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by AngG on Aug 21, 2007 8:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
son of a.........
c'mon now dawg....

by GermanysTribeFan on Aug 21, 2007 8:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Listening to the Captains game and the announcers are comparing Santo Frias to a young(er) Carmona.

by mcrose on Aug 21, 2007 8:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
When will  the offense wake up?  Another 1-0 loss?

by palcal on Aug 21, 2007 8:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
!@#(#$#&Y$&Y#&*Y&($#&*
God truly does hate cleveland sports.

by Gradysmanldy on Aug 21, 2007 8:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
We're getting shutout by a guy who can barely find his locker in the Detroit clubhouse.  That's probably all they're gonna need.

by maledicta on Aug 21, 2007 8:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
this is troubling.
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by AngG on Aug 21, 2007 8:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
WTF?!?!?!?
c'mon now dawg....

by GermanysTribeFan on Aug 21, 2007 8:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
I seriously just looked for something to kick. I blame Nick.
God truly does hate cleveland sports.

by Gradysmanldy on Aug 21, 2007 8:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
I have no problem losing a no-hitter.  I never jinxed a shutout, however.

by nickjs21 on Aug 21, 2007 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
You'll get to sweat through plenty of five-inning perfect games in your life.  

by nickjs21 on Aug 21, 2007 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Hope HRs don't wake up the sleeping Tigers.

Leyland got his veterans to step up.  Wedge is still waiting tonight.

by palcal on Aug 21, 2007 8:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
ballgame
c'mon now dawg....

by GermanysTribeFan on Aug 21, 2007 8:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
fausto must just be mad at his teammates.  
these 2 runs might as well be 12

by mpstable on Aug 21, 2007 8:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Dispatch made an interesting comment in their analysis of this series.

"The Indians, for better or worse, have taken on Wedge's lack of personality."

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by emd2k3 on Aug 21, 2007 8:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
How demoralized is Fausto right now?  Dude knows its gonna take divine intervention for his offense to score 2 runs.

by maledicta on Aug 21, 2007 8:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Alright time to get rolling...that was Fausto's sneaky way of waking up our offense.

by supermarioelia on Aug 21, 2007 8:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
He truly is selfless.  Giving up two home runs in the midst of a perfect game to wake up the hitters is pretty altruistic.

by nickjs21 on Aug 21, 2007 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
is it to early to put on a rally cap?
c'mon now dawg....

by GermanysTribeFan on Aug 21, 2007 8:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
First pitch swinging.
God truly does hate cleveland sports.

by Gradysmanldy on Aug 21, 2007 8:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Jhonny will show you, man. Don't disrespect.
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by AngG on Aug 21, 2007 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
No disrespect intended.

I think someone said (in another thread) that Jhonny gets overlooked because he 'looks fat.'

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by emd2k3 on Aug 21, 2007 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
i'm just kidding around anyway. and that is probably very true.
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by AngG on Aug 21, 2007 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
He will get through the game with 90 pitches at this rate.

by maledicta on Aug 21, 2007 8:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Booyakasha.  

These guys really are trying to match each other pitch-for-pitch.

by nickjs21 on Aug 21, 2007 8:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA MY RALLY CAP BROUGHT US A HR!!!!
c'mon now dawg....

by GermanysTribeFan on Aug 21, 2007 8:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
I was about to say something negative, and JP stole the words out of my mouth. God bless.
God truly does hate cleveland sports.

by Gradysmanldy on Aug 21, 2007 8:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
loving the pun.
c'mon now dawg....

by GermanysTribeFan on Aug 21, 2007 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Both starters could pitch complete games in a little over 2 hours.

Who will get lifted first?

by palcal on Aug 21, 2007 8:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Is it irrational to consistently hope for a home run everytime Hafner is at the plate?

by Gradyforpresident on Aug 21, 2007 8:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
i do it too.
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by AngG on Aug 21, 2007 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
No.  Just very unrealistic this year.

by CU Adam on Aug 21, 2007 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Yes, but the feeling is completely shared.

by nickjs21 on Aug 21, 2007 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Yes.
The poster formerly known as JRam.

by Joe on Aug 21, 2007 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
I think it's FSN Detroit.
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by Joe on Aug 21, 2007 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
ada boi Kenny!
c'mon now dawg....

by GermanysTribeFan on Aug 21, 2007 8:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Fausto's plan to wake up the offense by giving up back to back HRs seems to have worked.

by nickjs21 on Aug 21, 2007 8:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Lofton steals but it's Blake with RISP

by palcal on Aug 21, 2007 8:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
I irrationally hope for Casey Blake to get DFW'd wevery time he gets to the plate, does that count?
God truly does hate cleveland sports.

by Gradysmanldy on Aug 21, 2007 8:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Haha it all fine and dandy until Kenny got into scoring position.

by supermarioelia on Aug 21, 2007 8:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
How am I a time machine tonight?  I have MLB.tv and I'm way ahead.
Tribe fan from far, far away

by LGT Patrick on Aug 21, 2007 8:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
The game is oddly more enjoyable without Rod and Mario to listen to.

by supermarioelia on Aug 21, 2007 8:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
I seriously hate the Tigers. Like, with a burning passion. Fire and brimstone hate. This was previously reserved solely for the Chicago White Sox. But they're bad and it's good for them to beat our competition.

by Gradyforpresident on Aug 21, 2007 8:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Giants put Lincecum on bereavement leave for the 4 days after his last start and reactivated him today.

Do the Indians have any starters with a sick grandmother?

by palcal on Aug 21, 2007 8:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Lincecum was put on bereavement for an undisclosed family illness.  Aurelia came off DL and replaced him on the roster.  Lincecum is starting tonight, 5 days after his last start, with Russ Ortiz being put back on DL.

by palcal on Aug 21, 2007 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Yes I understand what happened with Lincecum, it's the bizarre sick grandmother comment I was questioning.  

by nickjs21 on Aug 21, 2007 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
boo, granderson. boo.
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by AngG on Aug 21, 2007 8:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
look at the cannon that is nixon's arm
c'mon now dawg....

by GermanysTribeFan on Aug 21, 2007 8:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
That's either a single or an out with Gutz.
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by Joe on Aug 21, 2007 8:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Overexaggeration of the night. No way any human catches that.

by supermarioelia on Aug 21, 2007 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
This is true. But not even Gutz catches that.

by supermarioelia on Aug 21, 2007 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
robot baseball players are my favorite.
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by AngG on Aug 21, 2007 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
but robots are awesome.
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by AngG on Aug 21, 2007 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
also, i think gutz is one of those neato sci-fi robots who are like "man, i wish i had emotions," failing to realize that tragically wishing for emotions is an emotion. that's totally heart.
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by AngG on Aug 21, 2007 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
If only everyone understood Gutz like you.

by nickjs21 on Aug 21, 2007 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
i make my own fun. :)
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by AngG on Aug 21, 2007 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
I actually didn't mean he would have caught it. Rather, he would have caught the guy trying to stretch it to a double.
The poster formerly known as JRam.

by Joe on Aug 22, 2007 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
woo, kenny!
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by AngG on Aug 21, 2007 8:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
I'm going to go out on a limb and call Nixon's pirhouetting form to the infield inefficient.

by supermarioelia on Aug 21, 2007 8:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
maaaaaaajor break pheww
c'mon now dawg....

by GermanysTribeFan on Aug 21, 2007 8:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
5. Casey Blake is designated for Wazoo, Manager Eric Wedge to bench. Three out.
God truly does hate cleveland sports.

by Gradysmanldy on Aug 21, 2007 8:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Kenny is my non-Fausto MVP for tonight. I'm overlooking his base-running gaffe.

by supermarioelia on Aug 21, 2007 8:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Wow.

Less than 90 minutes and we're in the 7th.

by mcrose on Aug 21, 2007 8:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
I think the Tribe knows I have a report to finish tonight before I leave for Philly tomorrow.

by supermarioelia on Aug 21, 2007 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Summarizing an entire summer worth of research on absence epilepsy. Fun times. Unfortunately I can't include flashing Rally Bananas as part of the report.

by supermarioelia on Aug 21, 2007 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Aw man, I just tossed my absence epilepsy research paper out after letting it gather dust for a year on my desk.  I could have loaned it to you.

by nickjs21 on Aug 21, 2007 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Getting dangerously close to Zumaya time.
God truly does hate cleveland sports.

by Gradysmanldy on Aug 21, 2007 8:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
For Detroit?  Because I'm not really scared to get Jair out of the game to face a guy that hasn't pitched in 3 months (and wasn't lights out beforehand).

by nickjs21 on Aug 21, 2007 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
RALLLLLLYYYYY INNING LETS GO TRIBE
beats drum hysterically
God truly does hate cleveland sports.

by Gradysmanldy on Aug 21, 2007 8:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
That's pitch #70 for Jurrjens.  We're in the SEVENTH.

by maledicta on Aug 21, 2007 8:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Whom ever has been wishing for us to be more "aggressive" - this is what it looks like.

by Gradyforpresident on Aug 21, 2007 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
c'mon boys atleast hit the damn  ball outta the infield!
c'mon now dawg....

by GermanysTribeFan on Aug 21, 2007 8:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
is it just me or does every time Jhonny hits a HR its fairly insignificant?
c'mon now dawg....

by GermanysTribeFan on Aug 21, 2007 8:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Because cutting the lead to one run is insignificant in what way?

by nickjs21 on Aug 21, 2007 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
I'm not one to encourage first-pitch swinging, but I wouldn't mind Gark going after the first one here.

by supermarioelia on Aug 21, 2007 8:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
right down the pipe, would have been a good call.

by ASP on Aug 21, 2007 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Well, lets see if you were right about this one, Nick.
God truly does hate cleveland sports.

by Gradysmanldy on Aug 21, 2007 8:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Well I didn't exactly predict we'd light him up.  I just suggested that his presence isn't exactly dangerous as he hasn't pitched since Moses left Egypt.  It's more of a question mark.

by nickjs21 on Aug 21, 2007 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Watching with the sound off - anybody have a clue why they lifted Jurrjens?

by mcrose on Aug 21, 2007 8:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
/sigh.
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by AngG on Aug 21, 2007 8:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Note to self: trust instincts, not Nick. (no offense intended)
God truly does hate cleveland sports.

by Gradysmanldy on Aug 21, 2007 8:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
None taken.  I still don't tremble in fear at the sight of Zumaya.

by nickjs21 on Aug 21, 2007 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
WTF? Was that pitch really a foot high and wide?

by Gradyforpresident on Aug 21, 2007 8:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
yup
c'mon now dawg....

by GermanysTribeFan on Aug 21, 2007 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
awesome pitch selection by garko
c'mon now dawg....

by GermanysTribeFan on Aug 21, 2007 8:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
I smell an intentional overreactions thread in the near future.

by Gradyforpresident on Aug 21, 2007 8:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Gark, next time listen to me, geez louise.

by supermarioelia on Aug 21, 2007 8:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
So far, Leyland's talk about the need for veteran leadership has been more effective than Wedge's, 2-1.  Let's see if Wedge has anything else up his sleeve in the 8th and 9th.

by palcal on Aug 21, 2007 8:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
I'm pretty sure when Dellucci went down our slide began.

by Gradyforpresident on Aug 21, 2007 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Just had a funny thought that cheered me up. The people currently at Comerica are likely the only employed people in the city of Detroit, and will likely be subject to some sort of violent crime in the next year.

Good times.

by supermarioelia on Aug 21, 2007 8:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Oddly enough, I was originally planning on going to tonight's game. Thus I probably would've said that at the park, and it wouldn't have been pretty.

by supermarioelia on Aug 21, 2007 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Isn't Cleveland in a similar situation, except for the violent crime part?

by ASP on Aug 21, 2007 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
We'll know more about Jurrgens when he faces somebody other than the Indians.

by palcal on Aug 21, 2007 8:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
So they're putting in Rodney. Silly Tigers and their flamethrowers.

You know what the cure for flamethrowers is, don't you?

More Trot. I think.

by supermarioelia on Aug 21, 2007 8:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
how sad is it that Fausto could end up with an 8 inning 2 hitter in 85 pitches and LOSE?!  sigh...

by mpstable on Aug 21, 2007 8:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
given up 16 ER in 10 starts since July 1; he won the 1st 5 but only 1 since then

by palcal on Aug 21, 2007 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

out of town with only CBS Game Center...
Just got here.

I see the offense showed up tonight.

by doowop on Aug 21, 2007 8:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: out of town with only CBS Game Center...
And Trot Nixon is in the lineup.  Well thank God for that.

by doowop on Aug 21, 2007 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Let's make a fool out of Leyland. All of a sudden we got Jurrguy and Zumaya out of the game and we're one down. Somehow I feel better about our chances.

by mcrose on Aug 21, 2007 8:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
I know he has nothing to do with this current inning or anything, but can we stop batting Casey Blake 2nd?

by ASP on Aug 21, 2007 8:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
exactly my point, but do we have legit replacement?
c'mon now dawg....

by GermanysTribeFan on Aug 21, 2007 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Lofton/Michaels
Sizemore
Vic
Garko
Hafner
Peralta
Gutz/Nixon
Blake
AstroCab/Gomez
Turf Toe -- Sports skewered weakly (and weekly.)

by emd2k3 on Aug 21, 2007 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
I like the top of the lineup there. No reason Grady can't bat 2nd.

by supermarioelia on Aug 21, 2007 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Is Jolbert Cabrera available? I like Blake in the 8/9 hole(s).

by ASP on Aug 21, 2007 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
c'mon droob
c'mon now dawg....

by GermanysTribeFan on Aug 21, 2007 8:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Did Wedge have a strategy for the 8th or did guys just go up there and take their usual hacks?

by palcal on Aug 21, 2007 8:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
You make it seem like Wedge is playing MLB'08 with these players. I would hope that he doesn't micromanage to the extent that you request.

by supermarioelia on Aug 21, 2007 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
If we get one expletive hit, I'm going to expletive flip a expletive.

by Gradyforpresident on Aug 21, 2007 8:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Well, let's not forget they have the goateed version of Joey Drama pitching the 9th.

by supermarioelia on Aug 21, 2007 8:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
that's an insult to the coolness of the real Johnny Drama.

by ASP on Aug 21, 2007 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
JoeBo seems like a cool enough guy. I'm not a fan of how he pitches, but he'd be a fun drunk.

by supermarioelia on Aug 21, 2007 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
i'm holding out hope that jones can come through for us.
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by AngG on Aug 21, 2007 8:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
if im wedge, im taking a pitching machine into the showers and giving everybody a bat and im firing 95mph fastballs at 'em
c'mon now dawg....

by GermanysTribeFan on Aug 21, 2007 8:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
if they wanna survive, they'll hit...
c'mon now dawg....

by GermanysTribeFan on Aug 21, 2007 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
did nixon get to hit there bc wedge really thought he had a better chance of doing something than anyone else on the bench?  or was he just sleeping again?  if nixon goes out to right for the 8th, i think we know the answer

by mpstable on Aug 21, 2007 8:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Well, there you have it - According to Gamecast, Nixon is still out there.

by mplswahoo on Aug 21, 2007 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
I understand that Trot has been "hot" by his standards of late, and I understand (albeit while entirely disagreeing with) Wedge's penchant to continue giving him the AB's, but playing Nixon in the field late in ballgames - following his last likely regular AB - just hurts my head. . . .

by mplswahoo on Aug 21, 2007 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
I just got here - just in time to hear that one of the homeruns was a fan interference/blown call.  Good times.

by mplswahoo on Aug 21, 2007 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Fausto's a monster. Still firing it in there.

by mcrose on Aug 21, 2007 8:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
here's a scary thought for our foes : fausto in 3 years
c'mon now dawg....

by GermanysTribeFan on Aug 21, 2007 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
yeah i know he awesome this year, but just imagine fausto in his prime....is what im saying
c'mon now dawg....

by GermanysTribeFan on Aug 21, 2007 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
It's in the back of my mind. But he's great now, and this team should get into gear now. This team wide futility at the plate is ridiculous.

by mcrose on Aug 21, 2007 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
77 pitches through 8 innings. 77 bleeping bleeping pitches. And he's down 2 to bleeping 1.

by Gradyforpresident on Aug 21, 2007 8:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
dammit indians.  tie this game.  just get one run.  let fausto go back out and throw 4 more innings of zeroes up there.  he is dealing and youre wasting it again

by mpstable on Aug 21, 2007 8:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Fausto is going to throw a complete game loss with what, 77 pitches?  I don't know what's more incredible, that statistic, or how undescribably bad our offense has become.  

by cheech99 on Aug 21, 2007 8:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Unless Kenny, Blake, Grady so something, the Indians will have an extra-long night to drown their sorrows, visiting the Motor City hot spots.

by palcal on Aug 21, 2007 8:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Anyone else stop to think that we only have 1 hit so far, and, as stated before, it was a guy who our AA team did very well against about 1.5 months ago?

by ASP on Aug 21, 2007 9:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Pinch-hit Gomez for Blake please.

Yeah I'm basing this on 3-5 lifetime, so what?

by supermarioelia on Aug 21, 2007 9:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
I stopped drinking two weeks ago. Swore it off.

by Gradyforpresident on Aug 21, 2007 9:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
im getting my bong ready....
c'mon now dawg....

by GermanysTribeFan on Aug 21, 2007 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Kenny should have gotten thrown out - that was a ball. Need a little heat out there.

by mcrose on Aug 21, 2007 9:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Just out of curiousity - which "HR" had the fan interference?  Ordonez or Guillen?

by mplswahoo on Aug 21, 2007 9:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
ordonez
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by AngG on Aug 21, 2007 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
I'd take Fausto's teeth over Maybin's any day of the week.

by supermarioelia on Aug 21, 2007 9:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
c'mon grady!!!
c'mon now dawg....

by GermanysTribeFan on Aug 21, 2007 9:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
c'mon grady.

/claps

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by AngG on Aug 21, 2007 9:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
And I'm home. Man this isn't funny. It's worse on gamecast.

by gte619n on Aug 21, 2007 9:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Hit a bleeping home run, Grady. And I'll write you in for President. Hell, I'll even CAUCUS for you.

by Gradyforpresident on Aug 21, 2007 9:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
We're about to be 1-hit by a rookie.

That's all we got?  One goddamned hit!?!!?

by maledicta on Aug 21, 2007 9:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Leyland managed the pitching.  Couldn't Wedge have managed the pinchhitting and the batting approach?

by palcal on Aug 21, 2007 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
I can see the headline tomorrow:  "Leyland 2, Wedge 1; Jim cuts Eric's lead to 1/2 game"

by nickjs21 on Aug 21, 2007 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
You have a really weird, messed-up notion that the manager is a puppetteer that controls every facet of the game.  This isn't football.  There are no plays designed.  You need to let go.

by nickjs21 on Aug 21, 2007 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Managing requires a pulse. Anyone hold a mirror up to his mouth lately?

by JulioBernazard on Aug 21, 2007 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
... /sigh.
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by AngG on Aug 21, 2007 9:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Naturally no Franky tonight, who of course hit a homerun off this turd last week.

by mikebrowns26 on Aug 21, 2007 9:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
I don't see why Wedge shouldn't fly off the handle soon.  His low-key approach hasn't worked for 2 months.

by palcal on Aug 21, 2007 9:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
I'm not sure, but I'd guesstimate that 85% of your comments are about Wedge.  And that's generous.

by nickjs21 on Aug 21, 2007 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Who are the players looking to for leadership?
Who are the Tigers looking to for leadership?

by palcal on Aug 21, 2007 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
I don't know.  Each other.  Themselves.  The managers.  Jesus.  Buddha.  Jobu.  Their fathers.  Was this rhetorical?  It could be a number of things.

by nickjs21 on Aug 21, 2007 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
You could make the case that it never has - just that this team has had the propensity to play exceptional baseball for streaks.

by Gradyforpresident on Aug 21, 2007 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
i think it might just be that they played ONE 6 week stretch of phenomenal baseball at the end of 2005, and the team we've seen in the 290 or so games since then is the real one.  the end of 05 might not have been a harbinger, but an outlier.  

by mpstable on Aug 21, 2007 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Are the players not truly as good as we think/have been told, or does Wedge really not know how to maximize their talents/motivate them/correct problems?

by JulioBernazard on Aug 21, 2007 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
or 4 years if you want to look at it that way.

by ASP on Aug 21, 2007 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
this is just f***ing inexcusable
c'mon now dawg....

by GermanysTribeFan on Aug 21, 2007 9:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
I don't imagine Fausto's going to be talking to the press tonight.

by Gradyforpresident on Aug 21, 2007 9:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Fausto and/or C.C. should embarass the hitters publicly. It's the only way.

by JulioBernazard on Aug 21, 2007 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Usually I'm all about the positive attitude in the clubhouse thing. But someone needs to vent some serious shit in the clubhouse.

by Gradyforpresident on Aug 21, 2007 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
im calling bruce tonight cause I need to vent.....
c'mon now dawg....

by GermanysTribeFan on Aug 21, 2007 9:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Don't take this as in insult, but I think the only people that know less about baseball than Bruce Drennan are his callers.  

by nickjs21 on Aug 21, 2007 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
lol yeah i noticed....some guy called him just to ask if he'd attend his wedding
c'mon now dawg....

by GermanysTribeFan on Aug 21, 2007 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
*No offense
*No fire
*No solutions
*No playoffs

by cheech99 on Aug 21, 2007 9:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
A profanity laced tirade from Wedge would be nice.

LOL

by mikebrowns26 on Aug 21, 2007 9:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
I just really feel bad for Fausto.  His record is no indication (losses, that is) of how he's pitched this second half.

by tborish on Aug 21, 2007 9:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
These guys suck sweaty donkey balls with a bat in their hands.  It's not easy but they manage to pull it off.

by SpringTrainingFun on Aug 21, 2007 9:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
I saw a young man do that in Tijuana.  It was disturbing and educational at the same time.

by nickjs21 on Aug 21, 2007 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
If I hear "tough luck loser" one more time this season, I'm going to go postal.

This is absolutely criminal what is happening to our starting pitchers. We could have made history (2 20-game winners), but instead it's going to be a season of "if onlys".

by Toxicadam on Aug 21, 2007 9:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
I wonder how the translator will relay, "You guys f***in' suck."

by maledicta on Aug 21, 2007 9:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Bring me the heads of Wedge and Shelton. Better yet, give one each to C.C. and Fausto.

by JulioBernazard on Aug 21, 2007 9:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
This team is deeply psyched out right now. It was clear the other team knew it. They knew they had the game won after the home runs. They even took out the starter who was cruising just to let Zumaya strike out somebody in his first ML outing in forever.

Weird team. The better the pitching, the worse the offense.

by mcrose on Aug 21, 2007 9:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
may I please remind everybody in the LGT community who the blogger was who called for the addition of a bat before the trading deadline (the consequence being lynched for not wanting to aquire bullpen help instead)?
c'mon now dawg....

by GermanysTribeFan on Aug 21, 2007 9:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
me -_-
c'mon now dawg....

by GermanysTribeFan on Aug 21, 2007 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Add a bat... wow... somebody get this guy a GM job.

by gte619n on Aug 21, 2007 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
im not saying I should be GM, im just saying I got lynched for stating the need of an impact bat.
c'mon now dawg....

by GermanysTribeFan on Aug 21, 2007 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
If it was you, fuck off. (I'm steamed right now, forgive me.)

by Gradyforpresident on Aug 21, 2007 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
I tolerate your outburst...I feel the same way!!!
c'mon now dawg....

by GermanysTribeFan on Aug 21, 2007 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
We did add a bat.  And no bullpen help.  

So ... we did exactly what you called for.  I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

by nickjs21 on Aug 21, 2007 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
i wouldnt really call lofton and gomez a diffrence maker
c'mon now dawg....

by GermanysTribeFan on Aug 21, 2007 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Not to sound stuck up, but that was what I was calling for. When will Shapiro get his head out of his ass and trade for him. It's not like we can't handle his contract.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 21, 2007 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
You didn't think Lofton was a difference maker when we got him?  You didn't think he'd be a significant improvement?  I call BS.  And you said "add a bat," and that's what we did.

by nickjs21 on Aug 21, 2007 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
id mearly call lofton a "stick" if not toothpick
c'mon now dawg....

by GermanysTribeFan on Aug 21, 2007 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Nevermind.  I forget you watch Drennan.

by nickjs21 on Aug 21, 2007 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
only when im pissed....and sadly its getting more and more
c'mon now dawg....

by GermanysTribeFan on Aug 21, 2007 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Not exactly sure one more bat would be doing for us at this point. A team-wide stinkjob isn't cured by the possibility of another guy hitting well.

by supermarioelia on Aug 21, 2007 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
hitting is contagious, seems like sucking is too
c'mon now dawg....

by GermanysTribeFan on Aug 21, 2007 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
It's really just... awful. I'm at a loss right now.

by gte619n on Aug 21, 2007 9:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Hammy - the person who said pitching is 90% of the game hasn't watched the Indians the last 3 weeks

by palcal on Aug 21, 2007 9:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Pitching is 90% of the game. We just have 0% where that 10% should be.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 21, 2007 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
I wish I could say this team was bleeping up my psyche, but it's really not. It's just making me bored, and that totally sucks.

by Gradyforpresident on Aug 21, 2007 9:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
I agree with this, I think I passed up the aggravation stage a while a go. heck if they don't care why should I.

Its been stated before, but all this Wedge blame nonsense is off the mark. The only thing I am blaming Wedge for is this stupid lineup change where as someone else mentioned Casey Blake is likelier to get more at bats than Grady. I'm sorry, but that is pretty dumb.

by hans on Aug 21, 2007 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Can we write a collective letter, as the LGT community, to the Indians?

by Gradyforpresident on Aug 21, 2007 9:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Well, this game just reinforced my decision to stop watching this team a week ago. If I'm home, I check the game quite often, but don't sit and watch it. Only saw the top of the 9th tonight.

This is just stunning. A total, complete, mental and physical collapse. I've never seen anything like it in all the years I've watched baseball.

Question is...if they don't turn things around, where do you go from here? The team in the field is the one you're going to have, for the most part, for the next few years. Scary.

by TribeJay on Aug 21, 2007 9:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
I'll be happy with the team on the field.  I don't understand what's scary about that, I guess.

by nickjs21 on Aug 21, 2007 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
OK, the scary part is what if this team continues to be inconsistent and overrated offensively? My point is, we're stuck with it the next few years, unless they figure things out.

Now obviously they're not this bad. They're not going to play 162 games and score 2 runs or less in over half of them. But when you struggle as long as this group has lately, it's not a slump. It's something more. Is it something inherent within these players? Are the strikeouts an indicator of having a bunch of guys that can be pitched to, thus making them prone to inconsistency?

by TribeJay on Aug 21, 2007 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
what did you call the last week of 2005?

by palcal on Aug 21, 2007 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
My shout of the night was Kenny meekly taking a called 3rd strike that was a ball and not even getting in the umps face. I couldn't recollect the last time I had seen a Cleveland player really get mad, and I thought, "Kenny would have gotten mad." But he didn't.

You could tell he was restraining himself, being the good soldier, but I really wished he had gotten thrown out of the game. Big deal. Fire something up.

by mcrose on Aug 21, 2007 9:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Honestly thought it was a decent pitch.

by CBusSteve on Aug 21, 2007 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
I thought he did his patented jump back and the ball was no where near him but still inside. I was watching with the sound off and that was my call at the moment. Definitely enough to put up a fuss.

And when was the last time you saw an Indian get jumped up over what was happening on the field? Oh yeah, it was Lee and Vic in the dugout.

by mcrose on Aug 21, 2007 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Fair enough, but it's sort of Baseball 101 that as a hitter you expand your strike zone with two strikes.  In a one-run game of this magnitude, that was a pitch that needs to be fouled off at the very least.

Kenny complains so frequently that outside of trusting your own eyes, it's hard to know when his beef is legitimate.

What I find disappointing is that I think this was the matchup that most favored us by far.  With the way the sticks have been, now you feel like you need a break to avoid a sweep.

by CBusSteve on Aug 21, 2007 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
I agree with you about the matchup. I thought this was a pivotal game going in. Hopefully it is in a good way and it affects the players to get out of this funk.

But the pitch - that is a Kenny move, to play the ump and buckle back to influence the call, and to me it seemed he did - the ump called it a strike.

by mcrose on Aug 21, 2007 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
That third strike was a beautiful pitch.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 21, 2007 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Wedge says batters are not taking enough risks; he has been saying that for a while; he needs to be more explicit with these guys, they have not changed anything yet

by palcal on Aug 21, 2007 9:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
But they sure aren't working the count and wearing pitchers out, either.

by JulioBernazard on Aug 21, 2007 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Wedge should follow his own advice. Let's see more Gutz.

Stop the BlakeManLove, and move Garko up. Sizemore can bat 2nd, and Blake can be banished to 8th.

Turf Toe -- Sports skewered weakly (and weekly.)

by emd2k3 on Aug 21, 2007 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Good night to everybody, hopefully we can pull out a win tommorow....im out like blake at the plate
c'mon now dawg....

by GermanysTribeFan on Aug 21, 2007 9:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Fausto's still really good.
The offense is still struggling pretty hard.
The team is still in first place.

Since no discussion is going to go beyond those three points, I'm out.  We'll see what happens tomorrow.

by nickjs21 on Aug 21, 2007 9:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
I'm headed on vacation, so it looks like I won't be able to watch any games for the next week. I haven't missed a game since May so maybe it'll do them good.

by supermarioelia on Aug 21, 2007 9:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Trot always plays against righties, unless he's got the flu bug. I'm not sure how playing Gutz more hurts us...but whatever. It's certainly not my call.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 21, 2007 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
I saw a quote that Victor had. It said something along the lines of this isn't a special series, it's just another one. Earth to the Indians: You are playing your division rival. You must beat them out to make the playoffs.  This is a bigger series than the crapfest that is Tampa Bay.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 21, 2007 9:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
We'll see who's in first place after Thursday and what Victor says then.  Hopefully, the Indians will win 1 of the next 2 and hold onto first so Victor can keep saying the same thing.  It will be tougher and tougher to regain 1st as the season winds down and the wildcard shot fades.

by palcal on Aug 21, 2007 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
I really don't think we have a shot at the Wild Card. The Mariners are on pace to never lose again...ever.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 21, 2007 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
What pisses me off is that that damn fan won the game for DET by catching that HR, if he hadnt reached out, it'd been a double
c'mon now dawg....

by GermanysTribeFan on Aug 21, 2007 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Yes, it should have been a double.  But since the guy behind him hit a home run, that's a moot point.

by Buckeye Brad on Aug 21, 2007 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly - and how come no one challenged it?
Not Wedge, not the coaching staff, and not the players.  Did NO ONE see that play?  I can't believe that.

And who knows if Guillen still hits the HR if Ordonez's hit is a 2B, not a HR, as Manning and Underwood speculated that maybe Carmona was upset over Ordonez's HR that he made that mistake pitch to Guillen.  

It's just mind-boggling to see this offense fall apart as it has, to remain in that state, and to essentially sabotage the great pitching we've been getting, especially from Sabathia and Carmona.  Those two should have been virtual locks to win 20 games.  Chances are, neither will win 20 now, unless this offense scores at least 4-5 runs in every one of their starts from here on out, and somehow, I doubt they'll do that (I'd love it if they'd prove me wrong.)

Just my 2 cents.

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on Aug 21, 2007 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
This is just another series. These wins or losses will count just the same as the ones against Tampa Bay or Kansas City.
I spoke the words but never gave a thought to what they all could mean.

by Brad D on Aug 21, 2007 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

In a sense, yes, but in another sense, no!
Hello fwembt,

If you're looking at it from the standpoint of looking back on the season schedule and results, then yes, I'd agree.  However, playing and losing to your closest rival does have a bit more significance in a pennant race because, you can control your own destiny defeating them and lose control of your own destiny by losing to them.

Winning and losing to KC or TB doesn't have the same effect - you don't control or lose control of your own destiny with wins or losses against them because you still have to factor in what the Tigers did on the same night.  That's why I think these games against the Tigers do take on more significance.  Yes, they may only count as 1 win or 1 loss in the standings when you look at the season schedule, but in reality and in my opinion, they do count for more because you still have control over what happens because you are facing your direct competitor head-on.  You win, you automatically improve your standing; you lose, you automatically worsen your standing, without factoring in any other games.

Just my 2 cents.

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on Aug 22, 2007 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Fwembt must be Wedge's sockpuppet.

You gain a full game over your closest competitor if you beat DET. You're reliant on others to help you knock DET down if you beat any other team.

by JulioBernazard on Aug 22, 2007 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm getting tired of seeing this putrid offense
waste solid to great pitching performances night after night, against guys they should be doing a lot more damage against.

Hello everyone,

Another frustrating, disgusting, putrid loss.  

In Carmona's last 8 starts, he's 4-4 with a 1.80 ERA.

I didn't hear exactly Sabathia's record of late, but I think it was something like 1-2 with a 2.11 ERA.

In the last 26 games (since July 23 vs. Boston,) the Indians have scored 2 runs or less 14 times in 26 games.  That's 53.8%!

If this offense doesn't pick it up soon, we WON'T reach the postseason.  It'll be like 2000 and 2005 all over again.  

And, I'm starting to wonder, which offense is the real deal and which is the fluke?  The offense that scored

5.23 runs/game in April and
6.00 runs/game in May

OR

4.86 runs/game in June
4.65 runs/game in July
3.44 runs/game in August

I'm starting to think the latter is more reminiscient of this offense's true ability, sorry to say.  As I've said before, this offense has struggled for 2.5 months, not just for a few weeks, which is why I don't think this is the type of slump that most teams endure - most teams would have broken out of this by now, unless, this offense isn't as good as we originally thought it was.

Again, we can't score without the HR ball, which is NOT a good habit to get into.  The HR should be part of the offensive arsenal, not the whole arsenal.

And Jair Jurrjens?!  The one with these AA stats?

7-5, 3.20 ERA, 19 G, 19 GS, 1 CG, 1 SHO, 112.2 IP, 112 H, 43 R, 40 ER, 7 HR, 31 BB, 94 K, 9 WP, 1 BK

8.95 H/9 IP
0.56 HR/9 IP
2.48 BB/9 IP
7.51 K/9 IP
1.27 WHIP

That is reminiscient of a guy who should be shutting down a ML offense to 1 run?  I'm sorry, but just about any competent ML offense should be able to score 3-4 runs off this guy on most occasions.  Right now, our offense is anything but competent.

One final thing:  Why didn't Wedge and company challenge Ordonez's HR?  I doubt that ball gets out.  Maybe Guillen still hits the HR and it's still 2-0, but still, what does it say about a team's coaching staff when no one suggests challenging that questionable HR call?  Even the players - no one suggested it.  Are these guys paying attention or not?

I'm sorry for the long post, but obviously, this is extremely frustrating.  If this team fails to get to the postseason in 2007, I think some serious questions will come up about these players, Wedge, and the coaching staff in regards to being able to deliver when it comes crunch time.  They failed in 2005, they failed in 2006 when they were expected to contend, and right now, their grip on controlling their own destiny is slipping.  

Is this team as good as we really think it is or did this team overachieve the first two months of the year and we're seeing our "real" team now?  Great frontline pitching, very poor fundamental hitting, and very poor fundamental play (Lofton's baserunning gaffe.)

Just my 2 cents.

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on Aug 21, 2007 9:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: I'm getting tired of seeing this putrid offens
That question is what scares me the most.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 21, 2007 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: I'm getting tired of seeing this putrid offens
ditto. sadly tho I think the ansewer is yes.
c'mon now dawg....

by GermanysTribeFan on Aug 21, 2007 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

It scares me too!
And while Kevin Keane is controversial, he's bringing up a good point about whether this team "plays too tight":

August of 2004 - falters after tying the Twins for the division lead.
Last week of 2005 - plays so poorly that an almost locked up playoff spot is lost.
First half of 2006 - get off to such a poor start that we fall out of the race by the trading deadline when we were expected to contend.
June-August 2007 - the offense suffers a catastrophic meltdown, going from 5-6 runs a game, down to under 3.5 runs/game in August.  

It makes me wonder - will this team ever be able to deliver in crunch time?  Keane keeps saying that this team is too tight.  I agree with that, and also with the idea that this teams needs to be looser, have fun, and enjoy the game.  

What will allow them to do this?  Without ripping Wedge, I keep wondering, can this team relax with Wedge and this coaching staff and perform up to their expected capabilities or will we keep doing this season after season as we have from 2004-2006, and unfortunately, are on that path again in 2007?  Can Wedge and company get this team to relax and perform under pressure when it's all on the line, or will they keep falling short, whether it's due to poor hitting, poor pitching, poor fundamental play, etc.?  

And, yes, we're still in first place, but the season doesn't end for over another month.  Will we be in first place then?  That's the only question that really matters, not where we're at right now.  And with the way this team has been playing for the last 2.5 months, I'm anything but confident at this point that we will make the postseason, regardless of having a .5 game lead right now.

They have the chance and the ability to turn it around and make the postseason.  The question is, will they?

Just my 2 cents.

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on Aug 21, 2007 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: It scares me too!
That analysis is so all over the board (Keane's) that any bad stretch the team has qualifies as 'playing too tight.'
Turf Toe -- Sports skewered weakly (and weekly.)

by emd2k3 on Aug 21, 2007 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that Keane's analysis is often off the
mark, but in this case, I'm not sure I can dismiss it.

Hello emd2k3,

The reason I say that is because, he says he knows how hard the guys work, so they do care, even though the results might lead some people to think that they don't (and some of Keane's callers have come to that conclusion,) which is why he's thinking that they're playing too tight.

The reason why I think there might be some truth to that is the track record over the last 4+ seasons, as I stated in my other post.  Not once have the Indians come through in crunch time and made it to the postseason, even when the odds were in their favor (i.e. 2005.)

Plus, like I've hinted elsewhere, how many teams show that type of offensive output (5-6 runs/game) over the first few months of the season, then totally tank the next 2.5 months without some key injuries to main offensive performers?  The only one who's really underperformed all season is Pronk, and yet, the Indians were averaging 6.00 runs/game in May WITHOUT Hafner's normal production (.228/.394/.455,) so the Indians showed it CAN be done, yet, they haven't come close to that production since.

I think we all know they care, but I do have to consider Keane's reasoning and think, maybe there is something to that.  Like I said before, this slump doesn't strike me as your "normal, every-ballclub-goes-through-this type of slump," which is why I don't think his idea of the Indians playing "too tight" is far-fetched.  

Is there another explanation that explains what the Indians' offense is going through?  I don't buy the "every-offense-goes-through-this-type-of-slump" - this offense has too many established players who have performed before to be totally inept for 2.5 months - they're making virtually every pitcher look like Johan Santana, even inexperienced pitchers like James Shields and Jair Jurrjens.  To me, that's more than your "normal, down-time" slump.  Keane's explanation makes some sense, and one I could see being a real possibility.  

If that is the case, how can that be fixed?  That's the $64,000 question in my mind.

Just my 2 cents.

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on Aug 21, 2007 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: It scares me too!
The connecting thread that I read about (in the PD of all places [!]) is that the Injuns do not win once expectations become high. I agree, although they did much better the first half of this year.

by JulioBernazard on Aug 22, 2007 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: It scares me too!
The really odd thing about this game is that we could be swept in Detroit, and still be in 1st place by Monday.

Damn you actual, exciting pennant races!

Turf Toe -- Sports skewered weakly (and weekly.)

by emd2k3 on Aug 21, 2007 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Doug Dieken is high...he just said Derek Anderson didnt have a bad night againt the Lions
c'mon now dawg....

by GermanysTribeFan on Aug 21, 2007 9:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
I've posted the link to the article on Laffey's start on Saturday in a new diary.

by palcal on Aug 21, 2007 9:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
OK, I might have smoked a bit but heres my solution : WHEN CC TAKES THE MOUND, SCREW THE DH AND HAVE HIM HIT!!!!
c'mon now dawg....

by GermanysTribeFan on Aug 21, 2007 10:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
As much as I like the header, the 2006 St. Louis Cardinals may have to take that title (for now).

And look what they did in the postseason!

Turf Toe -- Sports skewered weakly (and weekly.)

by emd2k3 on Aug 21, 2007 10:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Official time for the game -  1:59. Let's get the next two. I think if Wedge would just make everyone say "I'm Gumby, dammit" before coming to the plate, we'd start hitting.

by mcrose on Aug 21, 2007 10:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Who's up for some irrational negativity? Spontaneous Mountains of Change posts! Remember: Idealism of the sort that can Move mountains, a tenuous GRASP on Reality, bizarre formatting, and -- but of course -- no good Ideas.

RAISE the Left field Wall!

Flash Signals to Indians batters from center field.

GET SLIDER LAID!!!

by fleerdon on Aug 21, 2007 10:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
WKNR ripping on Hafner for not being a leader.

by palcal on Aug 21, 2007 10:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
46 runs in last 15 games, barely over 3 a game, with 5 runs or more (which used to be the average) in only 3 of the 15

in June, 5 or more runs in half (14 of 28) games
in July, 5 or more runs in 14 of 26 games
in August overall, 5 or runs in 6 of 18 games

what does Wedge see when he sees signs of the offense coming aroung?

by palcal on Aug 21, 2007 11:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Wedge is just bullshittin'.

by homelytourist on Aug 21, 2007 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Wedge is trying to keep morale up, but
like Kevin Keane mentioned, even he's trying to figure out how to handle the pressure of the pennant race.  Keane's not sure Wedge knows how to relax, which might help to explain why this team always seems to "play tight" anytime they are expected to contend or in contention, just like they are now.

And, mind you, I don't agree with Keane very often, but in this case, his reasoning makes sense to me.  I just wish, somehow, this team would start playing loose, having fun, and letting their natural ability take over - I don't think it would lead to them playing any worse than they are playing right now, and quite possibly, could lead to an improvement in their play.

Just my 2 cents.

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on Aug 21, 2007 11:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
The real shocker is that people can listen to Kevin Keane for more than 5 seconds.

by Toxicadam on Aug 21, 2007 11:54 PM EDT reply actions  

I usually don't, but left the radio on too long
tonight, probably because I wanted to hear what Wedge had to say.  :-)

homelytourist - I know Keane promotes some beer (can't remember if it's Pabst or Miller,) so that wouldn't be totally out of the question, but I still think his reasoning makes more sense than usual, or at least, provides an alternative explanation to what is going on with the Indians' underwhelming and underperforming offense that has been present for the last 2.5 months.

Just my 2 cents.

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on Aug 22, 2007 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Re:
It's Miller.  I don't know, maybe he's right.  I don't understand this.   Let's get lucky.

by homelytourist on Aug 22, 2007 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought it was Miller!
Hello homelytourist,

Regarding the Indians' deep slump/drought, etc., I'm not sure really anyone understands it; we're all trying to make sense of it (Wedge included) and wondering if the Indians will ever break out of this offensive slump.  They're fortunate they still have a chance to make the postseason, despite their struggles.  Let's just hope they take advantage of it, beginning tomorrow.

Just my 2 cents.

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on Aug 22, 2007 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Indians set a record tonight - 1st time in history their only hit was a HR, per indians.com

by palcal on Aug 22, 2007 12:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
if only we could have done the same tonight, they might still be playing

by palcal on Aug 22, 2007 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
I remember this game as well. I used to think Jose Rosado was incredible.

by Roger Dorn on Aug 22, 2007 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Just got back from Detroit. A disappointing game----and a somewhat longer drive home because of it----but as per usual after one of these losses, reports of the Indians demise have been greatly exaggerated. So long as we keep getting this kind of pitching, we'll be in every game we play----even with the sleepy kitten offense. Of course, who knows how long that'll hold up, but you never know. The way we've been playing the last week or two, we'll probably tattoo Verlander tomorrow and pick up the win.

by baergagaga on Aug 22, 2007 1:02 AM EDT reply actions  

I hope you're right about tattooing Verlander!
Nothing about the offense is making much sense right now, so crushing Verlander as few, if any, would expect us to do, would fit right in with the way the offense has been mystifying us lately.
Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on Aug 22, 2007 1:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Not to pile on here, but this whole business about plate discipline was all too evident tonight.

Of our 30 plate appearances, 18 saw 3 or fewer pitches. In contrast, the only guys who got on base saw 4 or more pitches. I know it's a moronic statement but I couldn't help it.

by supermarioelia on Aug 22, 2007 1:34 AM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
I think there are certain players that are trying to be aggressive early in the count .. the trouble is that they are missing, popping out or fouling it off.

Blake was one tonight .. he just had horrible luck making early contact.

by Toxicadam on Aug 22, 2007 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Harry Doyle: That's all we got, one goddamn hit?
Monty: You can't say goddamn on the Internets.
Harry Doyle: Don't worry, nobody is reading this blog anyway.

sigh...
Listening to these final three innings on the way out to Sheffield Lake from Mayfield Heights really made me question my faith in this team. Please make me believe that this was all just a fluke and the bats are coming? Please?

"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Aug 22, 2007 6:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
I know im just re-stating what everyone else has said, but man....I'm depressed. Even the Twinkies and A's hit better than this....I really think that something needs to shake this up. If I knew what that was i'd be the GM, but the plate approach over the last two weeks has been absolutely AWFUL. I don't know if you throw crap balls at the batter in BP on purpose and make them do pushups at the plate if they miss OR WHAT?!?!?

I'm stewing all day at work, just remembering how fine Fausto looked and how frustrated he must be. He SHOULD very well be 15-16 games in the win column by now, coasting to 20.

God truly does hate cleveland sports.

by Gradysmanldy on Aug 22, 2007 10:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Over the last month, the Indians offense has outproduced the Twins so at least there are not last in the AL.  

by palcal on Aug 22, 2007 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
"If someone would have told you on August 22 that this team would be in first place..."  Blah, blah blah

by tborish on Aug 22, 2007 10:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Yeah, I'm not a fan of that type of statement either. With even a league average offense over the last 2 months, I imagine we'd be up 6-8 games by now.

by Gradyforpresident on Aug 22, 2007 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
It's not just that, though.  It's also a significant reassessment of how good this team really is.  We thought we had a team that could threaten 100 wins, probably get to 95 and definitely over 90.

Regardless of the aggregate record (or cumulative first-place status), the team right now is coming off 2-3 months at or below .500, depending on where you want to contrive the line.  If we make it in, we're going to sneak in.

This might be lunatic, but from a fan's perspective, there is a benefit to getting swept by the Tigers this week.  It would put us in a position where we can only make the playoffs by getting hot, not by proving our team was (barely) the least incompetent in the second half.

Worst months of AL team batting this season, by OPS:

  1. Twins, August
  2. A's, April
  3. White Sox, June
  4. White Sox, May
  5. Indians, August
  6. A's, July
  7. Rangers, July
  8. D-Rays, August
  9. Rangers, August
  10. Mariners, July
  11. White Sox, April
  12. Royals, August
  13. Royals, April
  14. Royals, May
  15. Twins, June

Notably missing from this list:  every other contender except the Mariners, who were never an offensive force to begin with.  It is tempting to say this is no different than the Yankees' struggles early in the season, but the Yankees' worst month by OPS was 768, back in April, which is order of magnitude different from 676.

We have dropped from 792 in the first half -- clearly in the top group of offensive teams -- to 700 in the second half -- clearly in the lowest group.  That's a team-wide drop, meaning that each individual hitter has dropped 92 points, as an average.  It is remarkable.  It ought to be enough at least to spook even the most chiseled stat-minded skeptic.

by Jay on Aug 22, 2007 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
"This might be lunatic, but from a fan's perspective, there is a benefit to getting swept by the Tigers this week."

Yeah, you've gone off the deep end.  

There is NO benefit from where I sit to seeing the Tribe getting swept.

I want the Tribe to beat the crap out of the Tigers.

Anyone who suggests anything but that is, well, a lunatic ...

by SpringTrainingFun on Aug 22, 2007 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we ALL want the Indians to beat the crap
out of the Tigers.

Hello SpringTrainingFun,

I think Jay's main point is that if we get swept by the Tigers, the only real way the Indians will make the postseason is if we get hot and start playing like we did the first two months of this season.  

While you can make an argument that if the Indians make the postseason, they'll turn it on and be fine, at the rate this team is playing over the last 2.5 months, can we be even somewhat confident that would happen?  I can't say I'm even somewhat confident that this team will be a force in the postseason if we reach there, even with Sabathia and Carmona, with the way we've been playing offensively over the last 2.5 months.

That's what Jay is saying - if we don't start playing better, we won't reach the postseason, and who really wants to back into the postseason, only to get totally rocked and knocked out, and with the way we're playing right now, we wouldn't last long into the postseason, even with Sabathia and Carmona.  

I'm not sure the Tigers will be that pathetic where we could back into the postseason even if we don't get swept, but at the rate we're playing right now, I don't see how we can be a postseason force; we can't win great games pitched by Sabathia and Carmona now - why should we think that all of a sudden this team is going to figure out how to hit and score when they haven't been handling the pressure of a pennant race this season or in past seasons?  The postseason is just more of a pressure cooker, which signifies to me that this team might play even more tight, and thereby, struggle more offensively, and we can't win games now with our weak offense.

Therefore, I think Jay's main point is this: If we don't turn the offense around now, we have NO business in the postseason; the Indians need to hit to get there - if we don't, then we don't deserve to be there because we likely won't do anything even if we did get there.  If you can't score, you can't win, no matter how good your pitching is, and lately, scoring runs is like pulling teeth for our offense.

Just my 2 cents.

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on Aug 22, 2007 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Its not the fact that were in first place; its the fact that the only reason were there is because the tigers are scuffling worse than we are, and we know whichever team snaps out it first will win the division.

The best analogy is a browns game; you watch and you wonder when the seams will come apart. I don't want to sound negative, but after the last two weeks, it seems most LGT'ers and Cleveland Fans in general just want to see a spark of something that seems like they are fighting.

God truly does hate cleveland sports.

by Gradysmanldy on Aug 22, 2007 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
I agree:

God truly does hate Cleveland sports.

by BoDiaz1974 on Aug 22, 2007 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Funny analysis from Deadspin:

"Apparently, Mike Brown coaches offense for all Cleveland teams."

That brought a smile to my face for the first time in a long time.

http://deadspin.com/sports/daily-closer/now-that-friends-is-a-nice-night-292064.php

by JulioBernazard on Aug 22, 2007 4:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Casey Blake batting 2nd again tonight, this bothers me, a lot. No Sheffield for Detroit.

by ASP on Aug 22, 2007 5:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Who would you put in the #2-hole?  Garko (assuming he were in the lineup, that is)?  Gutz?

by mplswahoo on Aug 22, 2007 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
I hadn't thought about that.  At this point, not sure what harm it would be.  I've always thought Blake was best suited in the bottom of the order myself.  Just from the naked eye alone, he appears to put up poorer quality AB's when he is called upon to do something (e.g., move the runner over/drive the runner in).

by mplswahoo on Aug 22, 2007 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
He just sucks, period. Sorry, there's no other word for it and there's really no reason for him to be batting there. Since it was so hard for Wedge to move Sizemore from first to third it'll probably take him another 3 years to move him to second.

Lofton/Michaels
Sizemore
Martinez
Hafner
Garko
Peralta
Gutierrez
Blake
Astro/Barf

by ASP on Aug 22, 2007 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Or as a purely reactionary move only once we're 3 games off the pace . . . .

by mplswahoo on Aug 22, 2007 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game Thread: August 21, 2007
Haha Sheffield out indefinetly..due to shoulder problems...must have been due to all those foolish looking swings at Faustos sinkers!
c'mon now dawg....

by GermanysTribeFan on Aug 22, 2007 6:17 PM EDT reply actions  

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