OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
Interesting. Don't have a link for it, but I just heard it on the radio. It appears that the front office has a strong desire to not get fired and start rebuilding yet again.
Frye to Seattle, details not public yet. Also, Ken Dorsey appears to be back on the practice squad; wonder what that does for the depth, and what the chart looks like.
Brady Quinn FTW? Or DA? Discuss.
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by Turkmenbashi on Sep 11, 2007 1:41 PM EDT 0 recs
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by Brick. on Sep 11, 2007 1:43 PM EDT 0 recs
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Sep 11, 2007 1:45 PM EDT
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Sep 11, 2007 2:19 PM EDT
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Sep 11, 2007 2:22 PM EDT
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Sep 11, 2007 2:29 PM EDT
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by JulioBernazard on Sep 11, 2007 2:02 PM EDT 0 recs
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Oh wait ...
by Toxicadam on Sep 11, 2007 2:38 PM EDT 0 recs
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by Brick. on Sep 11, 2007 2:48 PM EDT 0 recs
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by nickjs21 on Sep 11, 2007 2:51 PM EDT 0 recs
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Funny also that two years ago, everyody was clamoring for Frye to start and now they're calling for his head. Much as I love Cleveland sports fans, I feel like Browns fans tend to get a bit overzealous too often.
by Turkmenbashi on
Sep 11, 2007 2:54 PM EDT
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Patience! Patience in all things. Romeo Crennel knows what he's doing. He just needs actual, you know, talent to finally get some results. Firing him now would be foolish. And remember how many starts Carson Palmer got in his first year? They bench rookie quarterbacks for a reason.
Patience in all things.
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Sep 11, 2007 2:59 PM EDT
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by Turkmenbashi on
Sep 11, 2007 3:01 PM EDT
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I'm not saying that Quinn is the answer (though when Ken Dorsey or Derek Anderson are your other potential answers, well...), or that I think firing Crennel is all that great of an idea, but I do think it's ok to expect the team to not be completely awful.
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Sep 11, 2007 3:16 PM EDT
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by Turkmenbashi on
Sep 11, 2007 3:25 PM EDT
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And it's happening, at least I think so. Slowly. We made the right move by drafting Thomas, and seized an excellent opportunity in drafting Quinn. I think the team is in the right direction, and that's all that matters. If management reacts to fan panicking and tries to speed up the development of Quinn by throwing him into games against Cinci, Baltimore, and New England, we might as well just put "Couch" on his back.
Here's a little bit of the problem. A lot of Browns fans, while loyal (and I love them for it), are kind of dumb. We drafted Thomas and Quinn and a million people called into radio shows predicting an 8-8 team or 9-7 with a playoff appearance. "We'll crush the Steelers!" they yell. It's their own stupid expectations they're now spiking themselves on. That's not anyone's fault but their own, and to take Crennel's job away as punishment seems odd.
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Sep 11, 2007 3:29 PM EDT
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Sep 11, 2007 3:34 PM EDT
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Sep 11, 2007 3:38 PM EDT
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by Turkmenbashi on
Sep 11, 2007 3:40 PM EDT
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BQ could just prove to be another marginal talent that could be severely hampered (physically and mentally) by a season full of bad performances. Most not entirely his own fault.
But, I guess with such a short season, everything is heightened to the enth degree.
by Toxicadam on
Sep 11, 2007 3:44 PM EDT
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I don't necessarily blame the fans for having expectations of some sort because hey, why would you be a fan if you expected your team to go 4-12 every year? You want to think they drafted well, some guys matured, whatever, and they might be able to eke out a few more wins here & there against teams they might not have beaten last year. Add in the fact that we lost to our biggest rivals, whom we haven't beaten since 2003, and I can kinda see how things would be a little frustrating.
by zempf on
Sep 11, 2007 3:49 PM EDT
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The Browns are laughably bad and poorly run but the Bills are right there with them. I don't remember the exact details, but the Bills traded Kelly Holcomb and Takeo Spikes for Darwin Walker and a 7th rounder; Walker refused to sign so the Bills recieved like a 6th round compensation pick. Then the Eagles traded Holcomb for a 6th rounder.
So in the end, the Bills received a 6th and a 7th for Takeo Spikes, Kelly Holcomb, and the 6th rounder that Holcomb became.
And talk about a team that is certainly going to move soon. It's just sad to think about.
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Sep 11, 2007 3:56 PM EDT
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by Jay on
Sep 11, 2007 11:41 PM EDT
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by hans on
Sep 12, 2007 1:00 AM EDT
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There are some things you SHOULD expect. For one, you should expect personnel decisions to be made rationally. Remember, "a coin flip" decided who started the third and most important preseason game and that starter was cut after the FIRST regular season game. Instead of bringing in a punter and having him practice with the team all week when you knew your punter had a nagging back injury on Monday, you wait until Saturday and bring in someone who has no time to prepare.
I said it in my diary post on DBN and I'll say it here: "Real teams don't do this."
I'm almost 26 years old and if you'd have told me when I was a kid that the Indians (whom I loved since birth, don't get me wrong) would be the bright spot on Browns opening day I would have never believed you.
by painaxl on
Sep 11, 2007 4:02 PM EDT
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Ernster played all 16 games last year for Denver, kicking 80 punts. He should have caught the dang ball on Sunday.
And I say this agreeing that Crennel should be fired. But they are certainly a "real team" and aren't run any differently.
by kwoog on
Sep 11, 2007 5:26 PM EDT
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A coin flip or some other subject decision trick is fine for deciding who starts a pre-season game because - well, you know - it's preseason!
by mauichuck on
Sep 12, 2007 12:52 AM EDT
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Sep 11, 2007 8:31 PM EDT
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Sep 11, 2007 9:13 PM EDT
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by gahnki on
Sep 11, 2007 9:20 PM EDT
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And having 4-7 seconds to throw isn't everything. There also have to be guys open.
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Sep 11, 2007 9:23 PM EDT
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Sep 11, 2007 9:27 PM EDT
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by woodsmeister on
Sep 11, 2007 9:36 PM EDT
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Let's keep in mind this is the Steeler's pass rush we're talking about.
No one's arguing that Frye sucks. Nowhere did I say he doesn't make poor decisions. I just can't get on board with the This Is a Good O-Line train.
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Sep 11, 2007 9:47 PM EDT
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by Turkmenbashi on
Sep 11, 2007 4:04 PM EDT
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If the team makes no progress at all this year, Romeo's fired and the team changes. A new offense (again) will be implemented and it won't matter who the QB is because it will be new to him, too. Quinn will have wasted a year on the bench and still be thrusted into a new offense.
Also, I'm not sure how much it benefits QBs to be on the sideline learning, but that's a side note. The real issue is if he doesn't play now, he'll have to start sometime and the line isn't going to miraculously gel one year from now (it certainly hasn't in 8 years no matter WHO is the coach/gm).
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Sep 11, 2007 4:09 PM EDT
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by Turkmenbashi on
Sep 11, 2007 4:15 PM EDT
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I know there's a lot of overlap between Indians and Browns fans, but since there is a dedicated Browns site now, I'd recommend going over there for day-to-day stuff. Besides, it's a great blog by its own merits.
by Ryan on
Sep 11, 2007 5:00 PM EDT
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by ploni on
Sep 11, 2007 4:22 PM EDT
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Anywho, I moved my discussion to DBN.
by nickjs21 on
Sep 11, 2007 4:24 PM EDT
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by Turkmenbashi on
Sep 11, 2007 4:25 PM EDT
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Multiple question marks at Turk????
You cant possibly be dissapointed by a finals berth from a team that young. I was absolutely ecstatic. When Lebron went OFF on detroit, I was up all night with friends laughing and air high-five'ing.
by Gradysmanldy on
Sep 11, 2007 5:47 PM EDT
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by zempf on
Sep 11, 2007 5:49 PM EDT
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I had a few good writers lined up to start an SBN Cavs blog as a team, a couple weeks before the playoffs, and they more or less blew us off.
They prefer to wait until someone has an established Cavs blog and then recruit them to bring their talents (and sometimes audience) over to SBN.
I understand why they see it that way, but I think they missed an opportunity on this one. It would have been a fun blog, and they still have nothing in that slot.
by Jay on
Sep 11, 2007 6:14 PM EDT
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by The Animal on
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by Turkmenbashi on
Sep 12, 2007 9:31 AM EDT
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It was one of the greatest sports-watching nights of my life, until the following game.
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Sep 12, 2007 10:21 AM EDT
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i don't know who writes it, but they do a pretty good job. plus, the name and logo are pretty cool
by mpstable on
Sep 13, 2007 11:07 AM EDT
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Obviously, Ryan and Jay are into this thing fully. Not many others can show such commitment.
by ploni on Sep 11, 2007 6:11 PM EDT 0 recs
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... I was going to leave it at that, but just in case, I'm being facetious.
by nickjs21 on
Sep 11, 2007 6:26 PM EDT
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Charlie Frye dropped back to pass sixteen times in that game. He went 4-10 for 34yds and an INT. He was sacked five F'ing times (with losses totaling 31yds) and bailed on another play for a 1yd run. That means that in sixteen passing plays


