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OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle

Cleveland_burning_tiny by Gradysmanldy on

Interesting. Don't have a link for it, but I just heard it on the radio. It appears that the front office has a strong desire to not get fired and start rebuilding yet again.

Frye to Seattle, details not public yet. Also, Ken Dorsey appears to be back on the practice squad; wonder what that does for the depth, and what the  chart looks like.

Brady Quinn FTW? Or DA? Discuss.

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Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
Just saw it on ESPN. Should probably post on DBN.
Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on Sep 11, 2007 1:41 PM EDT   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
would like to have gotten a future bullpen arm with some uspide in return.... oh wait...

by Brick. on Sep 11, 2007 1:43 PM EDT   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
Or at least a serviceable corner power bat.
Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on Sep 11, 2007 1:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
I hear we got a young shortstop...always struggled a little bit, but young for his level.

by APV on Sep 11, 2007 2:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
I hear he wears pearls.
Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on Sep 11, 2007 2:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
I don't think that's going to get him any cred in an NFL lockerroom

by APV on Sep 11, 2007 2:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
That Frye must be part of that bare cupboard that Savage has been talking about.

Oh wait ...

by Toxicadam on Sep 11, 2007 2:38 PM EDT   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
Seattle: The Cleveland of the West.

by Brick. on Sep 11, 2007 2:48 PM EDT   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
This is some interesting sh*t.

by nickjs21 on Sep 11, 2007 2:51 PM EDT   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
Seriously. I don't follow football that much, but it's kind of surprising to me that they would cut Frye rather than Anderson.

Funny also that two years ago, everyody was clamoring for Frye to start and now they're calling for his head. Much as I love Cleveland sports fans, I feel like Browns fans tend to get a bit overzealous too often.

Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on Sep 11, 2007 2:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
They do, more so than any other teams' fans (of course I realize they overlap, but this is nonetheless true).

Patience!  Patience in all things.  Romeo Crennel knows what he's doing.  He just needs actual, you know, talent to finally get some results.  Firing him now would be foolish.  And remember how many starts Carson Palmer got in his first year?  They bench rookie quarterbacks for a reason.

Patience in all things.  

by nickjs21 on Sep 11, 2007 2:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
I feel like one day, I'm going to see Browns fans come to the stadium marching with pitchforks and torches.
Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on Sep 11, 2007 3:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
Well, this is the ninth year of the team in its current incarnation & aside from one flukish playoff trip when they went 9-7, they've been pretty damn awful the whole time. I think the fans may just be fed up with fielding a 5-win team every year.

I'm not saying that Quinn is the answer (though when Ken Dorsey or Derek Anderson are your other potential answers, well...), or that I think firing Crennel is all that great of an idea, but I do think it's ok to expect the team to not be completely awful.

by zempf on Sep 11, 2007 3:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
Oh I agree completely, I'm just saying that Browns fans seem to have more of an "off-with-someone's-head" mentality than other Cleveland sports fns. Of course I'm not really old enough to remember the good teams of the 70's and 80's, so I'm sure it wasn't always this way and it's probably just years of frustration coming to a head.
Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on Sep 11, 2007 3:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
You can't expect Crennel to clean up Davis' mistakes in one fell swoop.  It's not like another franchise where all they needed was a little shake-up.  The Browns were infected with poor draft picks and decisions throughout when this new "era" started.  Just because they lost a lot of games before Crennel showed up does not mean he comes in with a shorter rope.  Turning around a team like this takes a lot of work.

And it's happening, at least I think so.  Slowly.  We made the right move by drafting Thomas, and seized an excellent opportunity in drafting Quinn.  I think the team is in the right direction, and that's all that matters.  If management reacts to fan panicking and tries to speed up the development of Quinn by throwing him into games against Cinci, Baltimore, and New England, we might as well just put "Couch" on his back.

Here's a little bit of the problem.  A lot of Browns fans, while loyal (and I love them for it), are kind of dumb.  We drafted Thomas and Quinn and a million people called into radio shows predicting an 8-8 team or 9-7 with a playoff appearance.  "We'll crush the Steelers!" they yell.  It's their own stupid expectations they're now spiking themselves on.  That's not anyone's fault but their own, and to take Crennel's job away as punishment seems odd.

by nickjs21 on Sep 11, 2007 3:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
That's the sense I get. Tends to seem the same with football and basketball. The percentage of well-educated fans in those sports seems much lower in baseball, though I have no numbers to back up that arrogant statement.
Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on Sep 11, 2007 3:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
I think it's just impatience.  It's more of a sprint when you only pay 16 times a year.  That doesn't mean they shouldn't just learn to wait out a rebuilding process.

by nickjs21 on Sep 11, 2007 3:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
Fair enough
Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on Sep 11, 2007 3:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
In a way, that's why I feel sorry for Browns fans. They are so passionate and trigger happy, that they have now invested ALL of this hope in Brady Quinn.

BQ could just prove to be another marginal talent that could be severely hampered (physically and mentally) by a season full of bad performances. Most not entirely his own fault.

But, I guess with such a short season, everything is heightened to the enth degree.

by Toxicadam on Sep 11, 2007 3:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
This is definitely a team that's moving in the right direction, I will grant them that. And maybe unfairly raised expectations are partially to blame, but I think people would be reacting very differently if we'd lost, say, 17-10 or something to that effect instead of getting blown out & looking bad doing so.

I don't necessarily blame the fans for having expectations of some sort because hey, why would you be a fan if you expected your team to go 4-12 every year? You want to think they drafted well, some guys matured, whatever, and they might be able to eke out a few more wins here & there against teams they might not have beaten last year. Add in the fact that we lost to our biggest rivals, whom we haven't beaten since 2003, and I can kinda see how things would be a little frustrating.

by zempf on Sep 11, 2007 3:49 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
I'd rather my team (the Bills) behaved like the Browns then they actually behave. The Bills haven't made a single coaching hire that made any sense to me since Wade Phillips left and, regardless of what you think of Crennel now, it's hard to fault a team for hiring the architect of the Pats' defense.

The Browns are laughably bad and poorly run but the Bills are right there with them. I don't remember the exact details, but the Bills traded Kelly Holcomb and Takeo Spikes for Darwin Walker and a 7th rounder; Walker refused to sign so the Bills recieved like a 6th round compensation pick. Then the Eagles traded Holcomb for a 6th rounder.

So in the end, the Bills received a 6th and a 7th for Takeo Spikes, Kelly Holcomb, and the 6th rounder that Holcomb became.

And talk about a team that is certainly going to move soon. It's just sad to think about.

by afh4 on Sep 11, 2007 3:56 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
I should note that in exchange for making my girlfriend into an Indians fan, she made me into an Eagles fan. Despite not being able to field punts (sigh), they are in general a very well-run team, which I think is part of what makes me less patient with the Browns.

by zempf on Sep 11, 2007 4:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
That's a good trade-off there.  Can't think of a single good thing that has happened to a Browns fan in the past ten years.  Like the Indians, you have to respect the Eagles as an organization.

by Jay on Sep 11, 2007 11:41 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
well those three years when they weren't in Cleveland were pretty good.

by hans on Sep 12, 2007 1:00 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
I've never been a fire the coach kind of guy, however, I'm not sure what's left for a lot of us rational fans to be except reactionary.

There are some things you SHOULD expect.  For one, you should expect personnel decisions to be made rationally.  Remember, "a coin flip" decided who started the third and most important preseason game and that starter was cut after the FIRST regular season game.  Instead of bringing in a punter and having him practice with the team all week when you knew your punter had a nagging back injury on Monday, you wait until Saturday and bring in someone who has no time to prepare.  

I said it in my diary post on DBN and I'll say it here: "Real teams don't do this."

I'm almost 26 years old and if you'd have told me when I was a kid that the Indians (whom I loved since birth, don't get me wrong) would be the bright spot on Browns opening day I would have never believed you.

by painaxl on Sep 11, 2007 4:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
The coin flip was for the first game.  Neither had separated themselves, I didn't see anything wrong with it.

Ernster played all 16 games last year for Denver, kicking 80 punts.  He should have caught the dang ball on Sunday.

And I say this agreeing that Crennel should be fired.  But they are certainly a "real team" and aren't run any differently.

by kwoog on Sep 11, 2007 5:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
You're starting to sound like one of those ESPN talking heads.  

A coin flip or some other subject decision trick is fine for deciding who starts a pre-season game because - well, you know - it's preseason!

LeBron must GO!

by mauichuck on Sep 12, 2007 12:52 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
Then you didn't watch the game.
Appalachian State-34 Michigan-32.....Oregon-39 Michigan-7

by gahnki on Sep 11, 2007 8:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
Frye does Soooooo much damage to his offense when he takes the sacks (its not the O-line, its him!). Anderson sucks, but he at least gets rid of the ball quickly. This is a much overlooked key to good quarterbackin' in the NFL. Savage is to blame in not upgrading the position (Frye was chopped liver coming into the year, would have much rather them pursued a guy like Byron Leftwich in hindsight). They might as well start Quinn. He's the best at the position already and that is a horrible thing to have to say.

by hans on Sep 11, 2007 9:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
Woah there.  Frye has problems getting rid of the ball and making decisions when the rush is bearing down on him.  But don't say it isn't a hughe problem with the offensive line.

by nickjs21 on Sep 11, 2007 9:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
Frye had about 4-7 seconds on every play. Adequate time for a QB to make a play. Especially one who is considered mobile. Quinn is actually more useful in the mobility area. He recognizes the defense's pressure and rolls out away from it. He has done it numerous times in the preseason. Frye has not done it once since hes been with us. He relied too much on the run around and get lucky approach that worked well in the MAC. Not so well in the NFL. IF Matt Leinart could put up decent numbers with the Cardinal's atrocious O-line last year then Frye should have put up, at least, similar numbers. Brady Quinn is actually a lot like Leinart. Not extremely mobile, but he uses what he has well.
Appalachian State-34 Michigan-32.....Oregon-39 Michigan-7

by gahnki on Sep 11, 2007 9:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
Listen, no one is touting Frye as a good quarterback, but this is a horrible O-line.  

And having 4-7 seconds to throw isn't everything.  There also have to be guys open.

by nickjs21 on Sep 11, 2007 9:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
No, this is not a horrible O-line. Frye can be credited for 3, maybe 4 of his sacks. He was indecisive and couldn't understand the value of throwing th ball away. If no one is open, throw it away.
Appalachian State-34 Michigan-32.....Oregon-39 Michigan-7

by gahnki on Sep 11, 2007 9:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
And if nobody is open, roll out of the pocket and throw it into the stands.
Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Sep 11, 2007 9:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
I feel like it's too obvious to just say, "easier said than done."

Let's keep in mind this is the Steeler's pass rush we're talking about.  

No one's arguing that Frye sucks.  Nowhere did I say he doesn't make poor decisions.  I just can't get on board with the This Is a Good O-Line train.

by nickjs21 on Sep 11, 2007 9:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
Frye was sacked more times then he had completions in the game. Anderson played against the same Pitt Defense (at least through all of the second quarter and into the early part of the third) and was not sacked anywhere near the number of times.....lets see, we had the same O-line, they had the same D-line, but we switched QBs. I think this backs up my point fairly well. Frye has always been terrible at holding the ball too long, and often we are to quick to blame it on the O-line. This is not a terrible line. it was a terrible QB. You might want to check the bottom of this list of QB performances from last week. PAR does a very good job of really just looking at the players individual performance (with exception to some WR/QB linkage that has to be ironed out). Its explained at the bottom of the page (above the comments).

by hans on Sep 11, 2007 10:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
Did you have a stop watch on every play?  
LeBron must GO!

by mauichuck on Sep 12, 2007 12:50 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
I like the move because Frye sucks and I want to see Brady, but man, how bad does this make the organization look.

by ASP on Sep 11, 2007 3:50 PM EDT   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
I don't want to see Brady, I want to see the Browns contend year after year.  And I think the best way to do this is to sit Quinn and develop him, not throw him to the wolves.  Most people just want to see Quinn because it's something New and Shiny.

by nickjs21 on Sep 11, 2007 3:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
I think you're spot on with the New a dShiny thing. Don't ruin Quinn just because he's potentially more exciting than Derik Anderson.
Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on Sep 11, 2007 4:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
I've gone back and forth on this a lot, but the more I think about it, what's the difference between putting Quinn in now and waiting a year?  I'm not just talking about the Manning, Leinart and Young versus Palmer, etc. scenarios.

If the team makes no progress at all this year, Romeo's fired and the team changes.  A new offense (again) will be implemented and it won't matter who the QB is because it will be new to him, too.  Quinn will have wasted a year on the bench and still be thrusted into a new offense.

Also, I'm not sure how much it benefits QBs to be on the sideline learning, but that's a side note.  The real issue is if he doesn't play now, he'll have to start sometime and the line isn't going to miraculously gel one year from now (it certainly hasn't in 8 years no matter WHO is the coach/gm).

by painaxl on Sep 11, 2007 4:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
Well, I think it shows that there is no cohesive "groupthink" in this organization. There are people with competing interests and ideas that seem to be constantly at war with each other.

by Toxicadam on Sep 11, 2007 3:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
Good call. Save Quinn for after the bye week.

by JulioBernazard on Sep 11, 2007 8:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
depending how crappy DA does I think we might see him the following week @ Oakland. The organization has to give the team its best chance to win, and the dwindling fanbase isn't very happy currently.

by ASP on Sep 11, 2007 8:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
We always come back. They know that. They also know that we will always come back.
Appalachian State-34 Michigan-32.....Oregon-39 Michigan-7

by gahnki on Sep 11, 2007 8:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
I do believe the PSL's are coming up for renewal, The organization will finally take a hit (hopefully) for being as terrible as it has been.

by hans on Sep 11, 2007 9:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
We really should take this over to DBN. Their thread only has five replies, and Chris busts his butt on a great site over there.
Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on Sep 11, 2007 4:11 PM EDT   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
site should be made into one mega Cleveland sports blog

by ASP on Sep 11, 2007 4:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
But a lot of people here are not even from Cleveland. The only thing everybody here has in common is being a Tribe fan. SO this is a Tribe site. That's why there are sites for the Browns, too.
Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on Sep 11, 2007 4:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
My biggest complaint about the SBN network of sites, which are generally awesome, is that they don't share logins across sites. So I get to go through, fill out the form, wait for the email, click the link, blah blah blah, EVERY TIME I want to comment on a different site. Kind of a pain in the ass. That being said, I made a login over there because that probably is the better place for it.

by zempf on Sep 11, 2007 4:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
Agreed, but yes, we probably should bring this over there. Try to keep the same logins, and nothing will change.
Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on Sep 11, 2007 4:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
Whenever the next big site ugrade happens, universal logins will be introduced.

I know there's a lot of overlap between Indians and Browns fans, but since there is a dedicated Browns site now, I'd recommend going over there for day-to-day stuff. Besides, it's a great blog by its own merits.

by Ryan on Sep 11, 2007 5:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
What's interesting is, last time I looked, there was no SBN site for Clevetown's most successful team, the Cavaliers.

by ploni on Sep 11, 2007 4:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
Watching the Cavs is fun.  Talking about them is kind of pointless in that it never seems to lead to anything conclusive or interesting.

Anywho, I moved my discussion to DBN.

by nickjs21 on Sep 11, 2007 4:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
Yeah, I looked during the playoffs and was disappointed.
Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on Sep 11, 2007 4:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
Really??????

Multiple question marks at Turk????

You cant possibly be dissapointed by a finals berth from a team that young. I was absolutely ecstatic. When Lebron went OFF on detroit, I was up all night with friends laughing and air high-five'ing.

God truly does hate cleveland sports.

by Gradysmanldy on Sep 11, 2007 5:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
I think he means he was disappointed by the lack of a Cavs blog. I'm not sure what the criteria are for starting one, but you can probably volunteer to set it up through SBN if you're interested in getting one going. If nothing else, this site proves that there's a lot of smart Cleveland fans out there itching for good conversation about their teams.

by zempf on Sep 11, 2007 5:49 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
Actually ... no.  Volunteering will not cut it.

I had a few good writers lined up to start an SBN Cavs blog as a team, a couple weeks before the playoffs, and they more or less blew us off.

They prefer to wait until someone has an established Cavs blog and then recruit them to bring their talents (and sometimes audience) over to SBN.

I understand why they see it that way, but I think they missed an opportunity on this one.  It would have been a fun blog, and they still have nothing in that slot.

by Jay on Sep 11, 2007 6:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
Yeah, the guys sent me one e-mail, to which i responded, then i never got another one back. I still don't understand why they wouldn't want a cavs blog. They must not want one because they certainly could find someone to do it if they wanted to.

by The Animal on Sep 12, 2007 1:31 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
Correct. Of course I was ecstatic about the Cavs. I was dowtown for Game 6. It was one of the greatest nights of my life.
Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on Sep 12, 2007 9:31 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
OT, but I was in a St. Louis Buffalo Wild Wings for LeBron's unbelievable 4th quarter/overtime performance.  I was the only Clevelander in a packed house.  The Cavs game was only on the main screen above the bar, while everyone else was tuned in to the Cardinals game on different TVs.  Slowly, as LeBron began to take over, TV screens started to switch.  People who didn't give a crap were glued to the game.  Cheers would go up every time James hit a shot (there were at least a good number of people there that just didn't like Detroit since the WS).  Soon every TV was on the Cavs game, and roars went up when they won.  Myself--superstitious as I am--stayed in the same spot at the bar from the start of the 4th quarter, never taking my hand off of what would become a very warm beer.

It was one of the greatest sports-watching nights of my life, until the following game.

by nickjs21 on Sep 12, 2007 10:21 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
there is a pretty good Cavs blog at www.fearthesword.com
i don't know who writes it, but they do a pretty good job.  plus, the name and logo are pretty cool

by mpstable on Sep 13, 2007 11:07 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
It's obvious that running one of these things requires total devotion. How else to explain the quality of the discussions and the devotion of the LGT community?

Obviously, Ryan and Jay are into this thing fully. Not many others can show such commitment.

by ploni on Sep 11, 2007 6:11 PM EDT   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
Let's be honest, we've all been carrying Jay and Ryan for a while now.

... I was going to leave it at that, but just in case, I'm being facetious.

by nickjs21 on Sep 11, 2007 6:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: OT: Browns trade Frye to Seattle
There were a total of 126 offensive plays in last Sunday's Browns/Steelers game, which averages out to around 28.5 seconds per play.  Just to make this easy, let's round that up to an even 30 seconds per play at the pace of Sunday's game.

Charlie Frye dropped back to pass sixteen times in that game.  He went 4-10 for 34yds and an INT.  He was sacked five F'ing times (with losses totaling 31yds) and bailed on another play for a 1yd run.  That means that in sixteen passing plays