Lee to the bullpen
The Plain Dealer reports that Cliff Lee will be rejoining Cleveland in a relief role.
The article includes some fluff quotes from Wedge and Lee on how they "still think of Lee as a starter" and how Lee feels like he needs to prove himself.
I can't say I like Lee pitching out of the bullpen, except in blowout situations. You know he can't be too happy about going to the pen either. On the other hand, it may allow some of our relievers some extra rest down the stretch, but that depends on how he's used.
So is this a good move to bolster the pen or a disaster waiting to happen?
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Re: Lee to the bullpen
- He wins Wedge's confidence and gets a chance to contribute.
- He doesn't win Wedge's confidence and doesn't get a chance to contribute.
by Jay on Sep 2, 2007 10:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by hans on Sep 2, 2007 11:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by GermanysTribeFan on Sep 2, 2007 12:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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-LolSleepyKitty
by Ghostof WillHartley on Sep 2, 2007 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by GermanysTribeFan on Sep 2, 2007 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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blech
by gte619n on Sep 2, 2007 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by Toxicadam on Sep 2, 2007 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by gahnki on Sep 3, 2007 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by peter m on Sep 3, 2007 12:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by gahnki on Sep 3, 2007 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by fleerdon on Sep 4, 2007 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by mauichuck on Sep 4, 2007 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by peter m on Sep 4, 2007 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Jay on Sep 4, 2007 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by fleerdon on Sep 4, 2007 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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i'm totally fine with Dellicheals, Sizemore, Gutz as starters. Trade Choo and Lee for, I don't know - Maz Ramirez. Franciso as '4th' OF.
by Brick. on Sep 4, 2007 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Maybe you're right that there's not enough money there to get a really viable hitter, but that's what they still need. There's several million dollars sunk in the package of Lee, Nixon and Michaels. Not enough for Carlos Lee, to be sure, but might be enough to pay for the kind of hitter you'd get in return for Lee from a club that needs pitching badly.
by peter m on Sep 4, 2007 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Development more and more is the name of the game. Most players changing hands in trades are role players needed to fill holes, not star players who can significantly upgrade a position where there is no hole.
And as for free agents, there are practically no good ones anymore, which is why the mediocrities are getting so much money. Development is king, now more than ever. Get used to it.
by Jay on Sep 4, 2007 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Development is great, but look at the A's -- you also have to keep some of the players you develop. So don't waste money on "proven veterans" with limited ability.
by peter m on Sep 4, 2007 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Couple'a funny things about that market, which we know has tightened considerably. One, the obvious one, is that the few available players are not that great and very expensive. The other less obvious effect is that it's become extremely hard to spend any free agent money effectively.
As a result, we have the Indians signing a bunch of veterans to one-year deals because, well, they have $20 million to spend and nothing great to spend it on. So they spend it on something decent, and highly targeted to an area of need, i.e., depth. Without signing any free agents, they had solid-average and All-Star guys everywhere on the roster except 2B -- which they quickly addressed by acquiring Barfield. Where they spent money, mainly, was on making sure they had depth everywhere.
For example, we had enough major league ready-ish relievers without signing anyone -- Betancourt, Miller, Davis, Cabrera, Mastny, Lara, Sipp, Mujica, Perez. That's nine guys for seven spots, plenty, right? Wrong -- of course. We signed four more guys, and those 13 have barely been enough. Foulke retired, of course. Cabrera and Davis self-destructed. Sipp and Miller got injured. Mujica and Mastny have been shakey. So that takes us from 13 down to 5, so it's a good thing that Jensen Lewis came out of nowhere and Mastny is willing to sit and do nothing for three months.
How does this relate to the outfield? Well, we had Blake, Michaels, Choo, Gutierrez and Francisco for the corners. But could we be certain that they would be healthy and acceptably productive? Hell, no. So we used the free agent money to fortify against injury and poor performance. The fact that the injury and poor performance has afflicted our veterans a little more than our rookies is beside the point -- the point is that there's strength in numbers. If you don't sign those guys, then what do you do if Choo gets injured and Marte struggles? Hang the fate of your season on Michaels and Gutierrez.
Well, actually, you could do that. Teams have succeeded by doing worse. But it comes back again to the question, was there really anything better to do with the money? We improved our depth to the point where we basically guaranteed that we would get average production out of virtually every spot on the roster, outside of an aberrant month here or there.
And that's why we spent money on veterans.
by Jay on Sep 4, 2007 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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