Worst Announcers -- Sans Underwood Edition
I'm relatively new to LGT, so I apologize if this has been done.
I get the game package so I've seen most of the AL announcers. I'm curious if there's a consensus for who is the best and worst -- and why.
Underwood is undoubtedly near the top of the list.
I'd have to put Seattle's team near the top as well, but my sample size is tonight's game only. I've long wished bad things to happen to Hawk Harrelson, but he at least provides some insight from his career.
And I shudder to say this, but Paul O'Neill is pretty solid from what I've heard.
Detroit is an odd case with a seemingly sound play-by-play man and a potentially mentally retarded analyst.
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I at least TRIED to say something nice about Hawk. He can, at times, provide colorful stories and insight.
But I don't think my opinion would change if I grew up a Sox fan. Screaming, "C'mon AJ! YES!" is not broadcasting.
Hawk is the obvious target, but I'm curious about the rest of the league. Who stands out as the best? Who are as bad as they seem to me in a small sample?
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by Gradyforpresident on Sep 26, 2007 1:40 AM EDT reply actions
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What about Detroit? Minnesota? Oh, and I want Michael Kay kidnapped and held hostage for the duration of the season.
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While driving from Boise to Salt Lake I listened to her and Sterling broadcast a game where the Yankees got drilled by the Blue Jays 7 to 2. Three hours of excuses and incrimination. I enjoyed it immensely.
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But I stand by my comment that Paul O'Neill is very strong as a television analyst. He doesn't have the classic "broadcaster's voice," but he always has relevant and fair comments to make.
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On the TV side, Micheal Kay needs to be kidnapped for more than the season. He has a show during afternoon drive on the New York affiliate of ESPN radio that I could do without. (I know everything ESPN is essentially a New York affiliate, but this one actually broadcasts from NYC.)
The rest of the Yankees TV team are good. They rotate several around Kay - Ken Singleton, Bobby Murcer, Joe Girardi, O'Neil, Al Leiter. I don't mind any of them - and find that O'Neil and Girardi are both really good. They have some real insights and don't go overboard about the team.
When broadcasting, I think it comes down to ego more than anything else. Good players who don't feel compelled to tell you how good they were are enjoyable to listen to. Bad players who are willing to laugh at how bad they were (like - my name sake, Bob Uecker) are fun too.
For anything else, you'd better have the same rooting interest as they have, or it's going to be a long night.
by Harry Doyle on Sep 26, 2007 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
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These opinions have nothing to do with who's broadcasting. I think Girardi does fine, albeit not as enjoyable as O'Neill.
Susan Waldman is truly giving female broadcasters a bad name. I have a large sample size to declare her dreadful.
John Sterling might not be so grating if he didn't say things like, "You see, that's why you have Miguel Cairo in there -- you've got to have someone who can defend first base. On this ballclub, his bat doesn't matter." Oh, and this: "An A BOMB FROM A-ROD!" Or this: "The GIAMBINO!" Or try this: "It's a rrrribby triple from Robby Cano, DON'T YA KNOW!"
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by Ryan Kelsey on Sep 26, 2007 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
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I don't really watch enough baseball on TV to make any valid assessment. I always try to listen to baseball on the radio.
Skip Carey from the Atlanta Braves has a voice that induces sleep. I can not watch a Braves game for more than 2 innings before I fall asleep. It's not to say he is bad .. their broadcast just has so much DEAD AIR it lulls you into a coma.
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I didn't want this thread to be an Underwood-bashing fest, but now that it's been brought up:
-He has a long, long history of trying to use anecdotes or miniscule samples and making widespread statements that are baldly wrong. Worse, instead of just guessing that a recent trend ("The Tribe sure seems to bounce back on offense after a pitcher gives up a bad inning!") is indicative of a team's character, he could actually, you know, LOOK UP THE STATS to find out.
-He very clearly feels that catchphrases are important for broadcasters to use, and they're not. If they're natural or evolve over time, that's fine. I liked Corrigan's "touch-em-all time!" But I simply can't take "He's outta ROOM it's outta HERE!" Or "GOOD-BYE BASEBALL!"
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by Turkmenbashi on Sep 26, 2007 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
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At least John Sanders knew he wasn't an ex-jock so he would defer to Manning. Underwood thinks he's something special when he's not, and that's annoying.
Oh wait, I guess this diary was about other announcers who suck besides Underwood. I already mentioned Hudler, so... how about Jon Miller? Anybody else starting to think he's becoming tainted just by association with Joe Morgan? I mean, how the hell can you sit in that booth with Joe Morgan for 3+ hours and just not absolutely lose your shit at all the mindless, myopic, arrogant crap that comes out of his mouth?
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by Gradyforpresident on Sep 26, 2007 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
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Here's what Miller brings:
- I'm guessing he speaks Spanish, because he does a beautiful job pronouncing Hispanic names. Perfect, really. I really respect that.
- He's the only announcer I've ever heard who understands that it's NOT A GROUND RULE DOUBLE when a ball bounces over the fence (it's an automatic double, which is what he correctly calls it).
- I'm smitten by the way he says, "SAFE!" in tight situations. He has a nice broadcasting voice, but he doesn't try to lay it on too thick.
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I would suggest he look them up beforehand. It's pretty easy to compile a log of useful, interesting, and relevant stats. He can't have everything at hand, but it's inexcusable to rely solely on anecdotal and small-sample evidence.
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by Turkmenbashi on Sep 26, 2007 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
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When I go to a game and sit down the first of third base lines, I still hold out hope of catching a ball that was batted into the stands. My kids even bring their mits for this purpose.
They have a name for those things - a foul ball.
Are the seats that don't sit beyond home run territory in Souvenir City or some other municipality within the ball park like Memento Metropolis or Keepsake Korners?
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by Delluccious on Sep 26, 2007 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
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And how goes things, Scott?
by Turkmenbashi on Sep 26, 2007 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Delluccious on Sep 26, 2007 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
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Also!
Down here, I might as well be jobless.
by Turkmenbashi on Sep 26, 2007 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
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"Not Lugo, Not Coco, Marte why don't we go..."
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This is so, so far from the kind of architecture I enjoy. I think I'm going to have to leave.
by homelytourist on Sep 26, 2007 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
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i'm tellin' ya - if you have any inclination to do so, people are hiring like crazy here, there's just not enough people to go around for all the work that's out there.
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Chicago is a fine city. I'm very midwestern. It makes so much sense.
by homelytourist on Sep 26, 2007 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
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And.. I actually have no idea who the KC announcers are, come to think of it. I guess that means they're pretty inoffensive.
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Whatever happened to Anne Werner, hottest woman on television?
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One thing I didn't appreciate about him was that Singleton was absolutely horrible when he started in the booth and Farmer didn't exactly go out of his way to help him out. But now Singleton is a lot smoother and they seem to be pretty good together.
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The Oakland guys are decent too. Fosse and Glen Kuiper are pretty good. If Greg Papa ever does the games, look out, he stinks (he's the Raiders play by play; just awful).
As you can tell, I live in the Bay Area.
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Another guy that is fantastic is Steve Stone. His one downfall, in my mind, is that he sometimes comes off as a bit of a know-it-all, but that is usually tampered by the fact that he does, in fact, know it all. The number of times per game he will tell you exactly what is about to happen about 1 pitch before it happens is astounding.
My list of the worst, in no particular order:
Hawk Harrelson
Joe Morgan
Joe Buck
Tim McCarver
Ron Santo
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Thats brilliant.
Good chemistry between the two guys as well.
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by Turkmenbashi on Sep 26, 2007 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
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by CaptainEasy on Sep 26, 2007 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Fiddlesticks on Sep 26, 2007 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Turkmenbashi on Sep 26, 2007 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Fiddlesticks on Sep 26, 2007 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Turkmenbashi on Sep 26, 2007 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
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It's just a joke; it doesn't need to be able to withstand much scrutiny. Just like Dick Cheney.
by Fiddlesticks on Sep 26, 2007 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
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/is completely stupid
by Turkmenbashi on Sep 26, 2007 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
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- They might move the real start time to 7:05, so that with the six-minute delay it would broadcast at 7:11.
- He never met his father, because his father is a joke. So if he met his father, his mother would have to explain his father ("This guy? Really?"), and his mother doesn't believe in explaining jokes.
- I think it means more than famous.
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by Turkmenbashi on Sep 26, 2007 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Seattle Tribe Fan on Sep 26, 2007 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
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A large number of fans from another team are only being exposed to them over the last few years. I imagine that most (except perhaps Hawk) are beloved by their team's fan base. That's why they're keeping their jobs.
I would like to hear what the fans of other teams think of Hammy and Hegan. They get emotional during the games. Tribe fans like it because they are probably expressing the same emotions we're feeling at the time. Does that bother fans of other teams when they listen in the same way we get upset by someone else's homer?
Still, I think Hammy and Hegan are honest in their assessment of the game, and are willing to criticize the team or players when they deserve it. Those are the types of announcers on the other side who I can stand to listen to.
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This is way, way off. One of the easiest jobs for an ex-jock is to sit in the booth and blab, and a great deal of them would love to do that.
"at least not many that can not sound like complete idiots on the air at all times."
This is right on. Remember Brian Brennan? Davey Nelson? Whew.
Still, I agree that Hudler should be dragged out and beaten.
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I'll leave now so you won't kill me, but Underwood is good.
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I'd have to put Berman at the top of the list, simply because he is doing nationally televised games and is painful to hear. He should stick to football. It's like he has never listened to Jack Buck, Vin Scully, or Mel Allen. These are announcers that transcended their teams (which is why I can't include Harry Caray from the Cubs).
The homer announcers (e.g., Hawk) are bad for the opposing fans, but it is always sweet to hear him lose, even with the excuses.
Stuck in Boston, I used to enjoy the Sean McDonough-Jerry Remy team, but since Sean's replacement I only enjoy the calls when the team is losing (and they waste so much time talking about Remy's presidential election - quite obnoxious!). On the radio, I still don't understand why the Red Sox got rid of Jerry Trupiano. He had some goofy warning track homerun calls, but he was a treat to listen to. Now, they have a couple stiffs in the booth with Joe Castiglione. Honestly, I choose to listen less to their games on the radio.
But, let's face it. It doesn't matter if a team puts Roseanne Barr in the booth (she would actually sound better than Susan Waldman), the fans will listen.
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First game of the season featured just a beautiful game-ending call by Hawk. He did not think for a moment that J-Mike was going to catch that ball (did anyone?) and it was like every ounce of pure joy and excitement was sucked out of him when he had to say, "Caught."
That said, Hawk has been effusively complimentary in the second half regarding the Tribe. Perhaps that's because he wants fans to think that if the Mighty ChiSox lose, it's only because they're facing Goliath, but it's courteous nonetheless.
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And let me wax nostalgic for a moment. I loved the era of Southern baseball announcers: Mel Allen, Red Barber and Jimmy Dudley. There was nothing better on a hot August Cleveland night than sitting on the porch and listening to Dudley to an Indians game.

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