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How do you tell your girlfriend...

...that Kenny Lofton isn't coming back next year?

Well, here's how you apparently don't do it:

[girlfriend mentions something about Kenny Lofton]
You: Actually, I don't think the Indians are going to re-sign Kenny next year.
Her: What do you mean??
You: Well, they really only traded for Kenny because they needed a good LF.  Their original LF was hurt earlier in the season.
Her: Why can't they keep Kenny instead?
You: They already have the other guy signed to a contract for like $3-4 million.  They'd have to pay Kenny about the same.  We can't afford to keep them both and only play Kenny.
Her: But can't they trade the other guy?
You: Well, his trade value isn't very high right now.  He was hurt most of the season and only batted about .220.
Her: And we're keeping this loser instead of Kenny???

Anyway, if anyone has any tips, let me know.  I expect to have a similar conversation about a dozen more times between now and April.

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Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
Only a dozen times? She must not be as passionate as AnG. <sarc>

by talonk on Jan 22, 2008 1:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
Man, you disappear for a bit, and everyone talks about you in your absence! :\
Disclaimer: this post doesn't mean what you think it means.

by AngG on Jan 23, 2008 8:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
What you should do is go out to a fancy dinner, wear a suit, get down on one knee and open a tiny box that contains a note that says: "I'm sorry. Kenny is not coming back."

by afh4 on Jan 22, 2008 2:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
that.

is.

awesome.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Jan 22, 2008 3:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
Way back when dinosaurs roamed the earth I was watching the Lakers-Bucks NBA Championship Series when my future ex-wife asked me, "who's that guy playing for the Bucks"  

"Kareem Abdul-Jabar" I said.  

She said, "boy he's really good.  If they ever get that Alcindor guy back they're gonna be real tough."

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Jan 22, 2008 2:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
Come on Chuck - we know that it wasn't that long ago that dinosaurs roamed the Earth.

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Jan 22, 2008 5:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
"Well, darlin', let's say your boss asks you to work in England for a few months. While you're gone, I quietly start seeing my high school sweetheart again on the condition that the relationship ends as soon as you come back. You come home as scheduled, but when you come up to my apartment for the first time, you find the door ajar. You step inside, and on the kitchen floor is a pair of torn fishnet stockings, and those designer jeans you bought me last Christmas thrown over a pair of knee-high leather boots. By the light of a few scented candles, you see a half-empty bottle of wine and two glasses on the counter, and you can hear the shower running . . ."

You can probably take it from there. Be sure to touch on Dellucci's comparative youth and power.

by fleerdon on Jan 22, 2008 3:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
How about this:

You know, everybody was really excited to see Kenny back, but he actually was pretty terrible if you really look at it.

Kenny was here for two whole months, and he only stole two bases, and he got caught three times, and he didn't hit even one measly home run.  Back in the day, Kenny would steal 60 and hit maybe 10-15 HR.

So he's just not the old Kenny anymroe.  He may sometimes remind us of the old Kenny, but he actually kind of sucks now, six days out of seven.  But give the guy a break, he's 41!

by Jay on Jan 22, 2008 3:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
That's what made his acquisition so difficult for me  - we're bringing back KENNY LOFTON! But then the well-informed part of me looks at his stats and wonders if it's all that great, but hoping against hope...

by Voltaire on Jan 22, 2008 3:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
Yeah, but the real beauty of my plan is that if she comes back with a low-BABIP low-sample-size rebuttal, you know she's a keeper.

by Jay on Jan 22, 2008 3:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
Or, possibly, Rob Neyer. You win either way.
I swear, next year is it.

by fwembt on Jan 22, 2008 4:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
Rob Neyer is totally a keeper.

... What?

Disclaimer: this post doesn't mean what you think it means.

by AngG on Jan 23, 2008 8:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
I don't think I can help you. Thinking about Lofton brought up memories of me and my friends dancing in the streets of Little Italy this summer after getting a call that we'd traded for Lofton. We were on our way to the game that night, where we saw the Kenny Lofton Debut v3.0.

So here's my counter-argument: we have to let him walk so he can come back. Infallible.

by Voltaire on Jan 22, 2008 3:19 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
Tell her there's a chance we're interested in bringing Omar back for 2008 and transitioning him to our infield coach for 2009 and beyond.  Yep, that should do it.

by Thommy on Jan 22, 2008 3:45 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

You can always .......
.... choose not care about this argument or date someone who actually understands the game little more? :)

by crazymoloh on Jan 22, 2008 4:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: You can always .......
She called Delli (and/or Michaels) a loser, so it sounds like she understands the game pretty well to me.

by JulioBernazard on Jan 22, 2008 9:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: You can always .......
"Loser" is dumbfanspeak for "He disappointed me."

Over three seasons 2005-2007:

Dellucci - .259 .354 .491
Lofton - .308 .371 .412

At this point, Lofton only hits better than Dellucci when Dellucci is injured.  (Dellucci slugged .520 over 05-06.)

As for Lofton's reputation as a winner, other than the 2004 Yankees, Lofton has not started the season with any team that went on to make the playoffs since 2001 -- three 2nd place teams and two 4th place teams.  I'm not saying it was his fault, but if he's been elevating his teams in some extra special way, it's hard to see it.

My advice:  There's no crying in baseball.

by Jay on Jan 23, 2008 8:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
Next time, use EqA instead of batting average in your argument...that's probably what pissed her off.

by Kos on Jan 22, 2008 4:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
I don't know man, the way your girlfriend put, it makes me wonder why we are keeping that loser and not lofton.

by hans on Jan 22, 2008 4:41 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
Hahah. Agreed.
sawkick.com - the social commentary you are missing.

by DoubleC on Jan 22, 2008 7:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
Just tell her we need to save room for Jason Bay.

by Brick. on Jan 22, 2008 4:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
We're NOT re-signing Kenny?!  (sniff).

Btw, has anyone yet developed a VORP stat for girlfriends/wives?  Did I say that out loud?

by Denver Tribe Fan on Jan 22, 2008 4:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
I've tried, but the fluctuations in daily performance are maddening.

by Thommy on Jan 22, 2008 11:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
Tell her if Kenny doesn't move around this season he has to give back some of the money he made on those DHL commercials.
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Jan 22, 2008 5:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
I've found with the people that don't actually want to understand, be as brief as possible.  "No, we're not bringing him back, because that's what the paper said" and try not to go into detail.  With a girlfriend who (we assume) will be around for a while and seems to actually want an answer, that doesn't really work.  Your reasoning was pretty spot on.  She'll just have to soak that in.

When I told my girlfriend that Kenny Lofton was coming back, I remarked that he's really not the Kenny of old.  She pointed out that he can still take a walk, which is important, right?  She's a good egg.

by nickjs21 on Jan 22, 2008 6:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
A tip of the hat to you, my friend. You've got a keeper.

by Voltaire on Jan 24, 2008 4:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
Yes, but I'm sheepishly hiding the fact that she thinks LaRussa is a great manager.  She's from St. Louis.  It'll take time, but I can crack her.  At least she hates Eckstein.

by nickjs21 on Jan 24, 2008 5:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
"I hate to break it to you, but Kenny Lofton won't be coming back next season"

"oh, ok.  Tom Brady is so cute..."

"..."

formerly 'tourist

by jhon on Jan 22, 2008 7:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
You lost that battle before you even said Kenny....
Officially starting up and driving the trade for Bedard bandwagon. Also, local "Barfield Bounces Back Believer."

by mjmarble on Jan 22, 2008 11:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
Could be worse, when I was in Ashtabula over Christmas, my father in law was talking about what we needed was to get a stud pitcher like Pettite and we'd be good.

No real tips on explaning the Lofton thing to the missus, I find that if she wants to understand it she'll ask, otherwise she's probably not that interested.

by Luis (Tribe Fan in London) on Jan 23, 2008 5:42 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
If you read quickly "Ashtabula" looks a lot like Asdrubal.

"Ashtabula Cabrera is my favorite new Indian."

Okay, spring training can go ahead and start any time now.

by Brick. on Jan 23, 2008 10:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
If performing poorly while injured makes one a loser, my wife should leave me immediately.

by elsandito on Jan 23, 2008 9:47 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
D-Dell performed poorly before he was injured, both at the plate and in the field.

by JulioBernazard on Jan 23, 2008 10:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
Very good point and I'm not a big Dellucci fan, but I can't think he forgot how to hit a baseball as he was donning a Tribe uniform. His plate performance prior to being injured was nowhere near his career average. Let's hope he starts '08 with a passion for redeeming himself.

by elsandito on Jan 23, 2008 11:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
You have to make her think it's not the worst thing that could happen.  Like this:

"You know the cat that you love so much, Snowball?  Well, when I came over, the front door was open a little bit.  I saw Snowball run out of the house.  He ran into the street and sat in the middle of the road.  Just then, a garbage truck and a school bus were speeding down the road in opposite directions.  They both jammed on their brakes to try to stop.  The sound of the vechicles skiding echoed down the street.  And then I walked over to see what happened.  I discovered that ... the Indians are probably not going to re-sign Lofton this year, but your cat is OK.  So do you want to go out for dinner or something?"

by Buzz on Jan 23, 2008 10:13 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
I think one of the bigger things going on here is the irrational Kenny-love that Clevelanders have.  I'm not sure if this made it on TV, but I was at ALDS Game 2 last year (right after the LeBron Yankees hat fiasco) and saw fans holding up a series of signs that said "Sorry LeBron, Kenny is the King".  

I think for a lot of casual fans, last year's stretch run/playoff success is going to be associated in their minds to the return of Kenny.  When they realize he's gone, they're going to be pissed -- especially if (god forbid) the Indians start off the season losing.  And unfortunately, these are people that pay the bills.

After I had this conversation with my girlfriend, I tried to figure out if the intense fan interest would be an economic justification for playing Kenny.  If the mere presence of Kenny is enough to draw an extra 1,000 people to the park, and these people spend an average of $30 on tickets/concessions/souvenirs, you'd have:

1,000 * $30 * 80 = $2.4 million

Probably not enough to pay Kenny's salary.  But a fun exercise to think about.

by fingolfin on Jan 23, 2008 10:35 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
Yes, that made it on TV.  He also had a great Game 1, if I remember correctly.

by nickjs21 on Jan 23, 2008 10:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
Kenny's presence on the roster has an opportunity cost as well, kicking others off the 40-man and 25-man.  Bottom line, he's not likely to be better than Dellucci or Choo, and we already have those guys under contract.

by Jay on Jan 23, 2008 11:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
Wait!  What did LeBron do?!  We may need to discuss this at length!

by Brick. on Jan 23, 2008 1:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
101 in a 65.
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Jan 23, 2008 1:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
Chuck, since you always respond to a LeBron posting, my guess is that subconciously you actually love him, not hate him.

:D I keed ... I keed ....

by talonk on Jan 23, 2008 2:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
I'll try to control myself in the future, it's just that I've had nothing to hate this off-season (the Belichek Patriots almost do it for me but not like the Yankees).  When's our first series against the Pimpstripes again?
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Jan 23, 2008 2:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
Part of me wants the Patriots to go 19-0 just to get rid of the Dolphin primadonnas like Mercury Morris.

But can you imagine how haughty the NE fans will be with a World Series and a Super Bowl title in the same calendar year? We'll never hear the end of it .... ever. (not yo mention the decent chance the Celtics have this year). I shudder at the thought of hearing about 07 for the rest of life (it would be worse than the UF 06 over OSU).

by talonk on Jan 23, 2008 2:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
Actually I luv Mercury Morris.  He's on my all felon football team, along with Bob Hayes, Ray Carruth, Warren Wells, David Mays, Efrin Herrara, Nate Newton, Hollywood Henderson and a host of others.  

Gotta love the bad - as in awful - rap by my boy Mercury.

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Jan 23, 2008 3:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
Oh, and the first Tribe series against NYY is April 25-28 at the Jake/Prog.

by talonk on Jan 23, 2008 2:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
OK, I got it on my calendar.  Anybody else wanna go?  I'm wearing an Indians jersey - Feller's if I can find one - and a Spurs hat.
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Jan 23, 2008 3:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
Maybe we should print up a bunch of "F Lebron" caps and T-shirts.

by Jay on Jan 23, 2008 3:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
"F LeBron" is dumbfanspeak for "we can't deal with it."

by JulioBernazard on Jan 23, 2008 5:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
Exactly.  And printing up caps and T-shirts is a fun way to make some dumbfancash.

by Jay on Jan 23, 2008 5:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
Truthfully, I think the "F" hurts you if that is your goal. It's not all that creative.

by JulioBernazard on Jan 23, 2008 5:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
I'm sorry, is creative what makes money these days?  I could swear American Gladiators is back on TV.

by Jay on Jan 23, 2008 6:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
Oh, right.  Cuz before the strike, the boob toob was full of smart, creative programming.

By the way, if you want to join me in popularizing the term dumbfanspeak, please, be my guest!

by Jay on Jan 23, 2008 7:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
You have to pick through some dreck, but there was/is some very good stuff out there (The Wire, 24 [excepting last season], Heroes, Lost, etc.).

by JulioBernazard on Jan 23, 2008 8:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
Oh, no doubt.  And I keep forgetting to start O/T The Wire diaries each week.  But first we'd have to settle on whether we're discussing the new on-air episode on Monday or the new on-demand episode on Tuesday.

Anyway, there are several great shows, but that's partly a byproduct of having a few hundred channels -- the choices are so niched up that there's a room for a few things that aren't stupid, it only requires a niche audience to support it.  As a rule, that old maxim applies:  Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.

by Jay on Jan 23, 2008 9:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
We'll see how Moment of Truth fares in the ratings.

by JulioBernazard on Jan 24, 2008 2:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
I've been DVR-ing "Good Eats" on Food Network since the good shows went off.  I'm starting to really like it.  Alton Brown is wicked smaht.

by nickjs21 on Jan 24, 2008 3:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
Oooh! Oooh! Ooooh! The Wire threads! Oooooooh!!!!!!!!
Sizemore-Shapiro 2008. The Official Red Bull of Let's Go Tribe Game Threads.

by Gradyforpresident on Jan 25, 2008 5:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
Heroes wasn't good at all in second season; you can say it's because of the rushing due to the strike, but it was bad and poorly paced from the beginning of the season.
Disclaimer: this post doesn't mean what you think it means.

by AngG on Jan 24, 2008 8:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
I don't remember the last time I watched a network non-sports program, although I'll be watching Lost when it finally comes back next week. Heck, I haven't watched that much non-sports TV period since the baseball season ended. I've been catching up on TV shows that I missed the first time around thanks to Netflix (watching Rome right now, The Wire is next). And reading.

I don't really miss the new shows.

by Ryan on Jan 25, 2008 11:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
Baseball, House, and Family Guy for me, with a smattering of Bear Grylls and Alton Brown.  I don't even really watch other sports, unless running happens to be on.  I just got a DVR and realized I've got like nothing to record.

by Brick. on Jan 25, 2008 12:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
between that and buying shares of minor leaguers, today's going to be an expensive day for a lot of LGT'ers.

by Brick. on Jan 23, 2008 6:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
Sorry to hijack yet another diary, but again this is a comment unworthy of its own. (Which reminds me, is there any way we can have a diary that is always solely dedicated to random discussions that aren't worthy of their own diary? Just an idea I've been mulling for a while.)

I mentioned a Winter Haven get together a while back...I know IndyDave and SpringTrainingFun are headed down there around the 22nd, but is anyone heading down a bit earlier? I believe I'll be there from the 11th until the 15th (with a Lakeland game on the 12th) and in Daytona for a few days to enjoy the beach. Let me know if any are interested in an LGT get-together.

by supermarioelia on Jan 23, 2008 12:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
Finally, this is a perfect example of the LGT diaries we've all come to expect from ourselves.  Well done all.
-Erik

by drerikbrady on Jan 23, 2008 3:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: How do you tell your girlfriend...
Well stated.  Excellent thread!!!

by Spidey on Jan 28, 2008 10:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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