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Fans from out of the Indians' Viewing Area...

How do you do it? What are my options for being able to follow the games. I could get the MLB.tv video package, but that seems pretty spendy. Is the streaming radio any good? Do we always get Hammy, or is it the same as with the streaming video of the games where you get the home team's announcers no matter what?

My dad seems to think I should get satellite radio and listen to that, but I'm not sure I'd use it for anything outside of baseball, and so the expenditure seems excessive, but I would be able to listen to baseball in the car on the rare times that happened, which is a plus.

This is my first year trying to follow the team from out of Ohio and I'm already worried I won't be able to pull it off.

What do you recommend for someone trying to watch the team from out of area who doesn't have a lot of extra cash lying around?

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Re: Fans from out of the Indians' Viewing Area...
I do the satellite radio thing.  I bought one that I  can take with me in the car as well as using it at home and I usually listen to it instead of the FM or AM bands.  In my opinion, it's worth it if you can take the receiver with you when you're out and about.  I wouldn't do satellite radio if it was restricted to either home or car use.
-Erik

by drerikbrady on Jan 25, 2008 11:20 AM EST   0 recs

Re: Fans from out of the Indians' Viewing Area...
I would definitely go for the basic mlb.tv package.
I split the cost with someone and it was well worth it.  The quality is great, the commercials were repetitive, and

XM is another good option, the programming is worth just the baseball, but there is also plenty of other good stuff to listen to on there. Usually they only play the home team radio for games.

Walt

by curly1229 on Jan 25, 2008 11:22 AM EST   0 recs

Re: Fans from out of the Indians' Viewing Area...
Yeah. If I find someone else who wants to follow an out-of-area team I might go for that, although when I tried to watch a minor league game when they were free for a week or something in 2006, it stalled out/buffered on me kind of a lot, so I guess it depends on how good my internet connection ends up being.
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by AngG on Jan 25, 2008 11:42 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Fans from out of the Indians' Viewing Area...
Not sure how far away you are.  WTAM's signal goes far after dark - I have picked it up in Florida, Texas, New England, etc.

I did get the MLBtv.com package last year.  It was pretty good - I am hoping my cable system goes to the Extra Innings package this year.  If not, I have no issue re-upping with mlbtv.com this year.

I do have XM Radio as well.  You get the home team announcers only.  I find myself listening less and less to XM other than for the Indians.  And once I got mlbtv.com, even less.

Unfortunately, I don't know how you do it for less than the mlbtv.com cost unless you can pick up 1100 on the radio or want to spend all your time in a sports bar that has Extra Innings.

by IndyDave on Jan 25, 2008 11:25 AM EST   0 recs

Re: Fans from out of the Indians' Viewing Area...
I'm in Indianapolis (once I get my apartment, technically i'll be in Fishers). I've definitely picked up WTAM on the way back to Ohio from here before, but I've never tried to pick it up in Indianapolis proper.
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by AngG on Jan 25, 2008 11:34 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Fans from out of the Indians' Viewing Area...
I used to get WTAM in southern Wisconsin driving home from school, but only outside of bigger metropolitan areas. I highly recommend satellite if you can swing it.

by fleerdon on Jan 25, 2008 12:22 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Fans from out of the Indians' Viewing Area...
Ang - I live in Fishers - near Conner Prairie.  Can usually pick up WTAM about 30 minutes or so before sunset.  Works great during the week for night games - not really during the weekend for day games.

Of course the radio I pick it up on is about 40 years old - an inheritance from my grandfather.  A good old portable radio.  Usually comes in good in the car, although there are a few dead spots around town.  My son and I were listening to the Cavs last night, both in the car and at home.

My son can pick it up every so often on his newer "boom box" style radio.  Usually works best when the radio is near the window

There is a daytime only station that broadcasts on 1100 out of Franklin, Tennessee - just north of Nashville.  It must be a directional signal, because sometimes right after sunrise or right before sunset, it comes booming into Indy.

by IndyDave on Jan 26, 2008 5:56 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Fans from out of the Indians' Viewing Area...
Re: WTAM

Similarly, I was listening (at least trying to) WKNR2 1540 Wednesday morning, and it wasn't quite light out yet.  depending on where i was driving, it was switching back and forth between WKNR2's broadcast, and a station based out of Waterloo/Cedar Falls... freakin' Iowa!

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Jan 25, 2008 11:56 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Fans from out of the Indians' Viewing Area...
The radio package through mlb.com is excellent.  I think it's about $14.95/year and you can choose whichever broadcast you'd like.  So, yes, you can listen to Hammy for every game.
Railing against the sacrifice bunt since 2000.

by jdudas on Jan 25, 2008 11:30 AM EST   0 recs

Re: Fans from out of the Indians' Viewing Area...
This is sounding more and more like it's the option I'm going to go with, I think.
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by AngG on Jan 25, 2008 11:41 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Fans from out of the Indians' Viewing Area...
I travel a bunch for my job and have had the radio package for 7 years, and absolutely love it.  It can't be beat for the price.  I do get frustrated sometimes that I can't listen in my car driving home from work, but that's what internet browsers on cell phones were made for right?

by dvd1204 on Jan 25, 2008 6:17 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Fans from out of the Indians' Viewing Area...
Here's what I do.  The bucks are a little big but follow along.  

I got one of those portable XM radios - you know it's about the size of a Walkman.  It's $330 - ouch. And then it's ~$14 a month.  Spendy.  But here's the thing: it's also an MP3 player, you can rig it to transmit to your car radio and with 150+ channels on XM you're bound to find something you like to listen to.  I know I have.  The blues station is great, you get BBC News, the alt country station is excellent - lotsa good content.

Bottom line: $500 the first year.  You can go cheaper - they make a $59 unit for just your car and no MP3 player.  Anyway I've grown to love it.

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Jan 25, 2008 11:31 AM EST   0 recs

Re: Fans from out of the Indians' Viewing Area...
It definitely sounds like a good investment eventually. I don't know if I'll go for it this year, but I might in the future. Thanks. :)
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by AngG on Jan 25, 2008 11:40 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Fans from out of the Indians' Viewing Area...
Deep Tracks and Tom Petty's Buried Treasure Show are excellent too.  

Plus you get Opie & Anthony uncensored if you're into that sort of thing.

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Jan 25, 2008 12:21 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Fans from out of the Indians' Viewing Area...
All I know is that in most metropolitan areas, trying to find a 87.9/90.3/etc. signal that isn't being used to use the MP3 player is exteremly difficult.

by talonk on Jan 25, 2008 12:45 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Fans from out of the Indians' Viewing Area...
97.7 in south Jersey/Philly

99.3 in NYC.

They got a pamphlet with the unused frequencies/areas that's pretty much nuts-on.

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Jan 25, 2008 1:01 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Fans from out of the Indians' Viewing Area...
am now residing in Vancouver/Portland

by talonk on Jan 25, 2008 1:16 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Fans from out of the Indians' Viewing Area...
I totally wish that I had waited for the mp3 player style of mobile XM radio.  A classic case of jumping on the bandwagon a little TOO early.
-Erik

by drerikbrady on Jan 25, 2008 1:19 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Fans from out of the Indians' Viewing Area...
Good diary, Ang. I've been thinking about the same thing. Part of the reason last year felt so special was that I watched probably 130 games and was on here during 100 of them. I really wanna keep the spirit alive, and I feel like just listening to it won't do.

How much is the MLB.tv package?

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Jan 25, 2008 11:55 AM EST   0 recs

Re: Fans from out of the Indians' Viewing Area...
mlb.tv and audio are worth every penny if you watch/listen most of the games.  i got both last year.

i'm hoping my cable provider has EI again (they added it mid-season last year after all that direct tv thing played out).  but i don't remember what the status was going to be on that this season...

by Brick. on Jan 25, 2008 11:59 AM EST   0 recs

Re: Fans from out of the Indians' Viewing Area...
I have had mlb radio for years and love it. I use it mostly for day games at work now. I invested in DirecTV several years ago and the $139 for the baseball package is worth it.

I live in Chicago and most of the time, I can't get WTAM, for whatever reason. Good luck to you in the Hoosier state.

by zigsmom on Jan 25, 2008 12:06 PM EST   0 recs

Re: Fans from out of the Indians' Viewing Area...
WTAM comes in about half of the evenings if you are out and about in your car, but that's about it.

by Thommy on Jan 25, 2008 12:13 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Fans from out of the Indians' Viewing Area...
if the WTAM radio feed is enough, you can't beat the $14.95 per season deal from MLB. It's not video and it's not real portable, but it is cheap and you get every pitch. AM reception is erratic here in NC.

by nctribe on Jan 25, 2008 12:07 PM EST   0 recs

Re: Fans from out of the Indians' Viewing Area...
I had the Extra Innings package on Cablevision from the first year it was available until last year when it was held up by DirectTV exclusive deal.  Since I already had internet and phone bundled with my TV through Cablevision, I wasn't about to switch just for EI.

I got a Pioneer Inno for XM - it's great not only for baseball.  Threre's a lot of good programing.  The Inno is pricey - about $300, but it is portable and gets a good signal outside as long as you point it toward the satellite.  It also has an MP3 player and lets you record songs when you hear them on XM.

I justified the subscription price as about equal to the EI package.

The only problem with XM is that you only get the home team's radio feed (until the WS), so you only hear Hammy half the time.

Since the window in my old office faced due North, I couldn't pick up the signal there.  I found two ways to solve this.  I bought the audio package on mlb.com.  It's about $15.00 for the season.  That gives you both the home and away radio feeds for every game.  I also changed jobs, and now my window gets a signal - but listening to Indians games was not a big part of that decision.

Between all this - and a trusty am radio when it's dark so WTAM's signal carries to the East coast, I didn't miss many games.

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Jan 25, 2008 12:20 PM EST   0 recs

Re: Fans from out of the Indians' Viewing Area...
I've had MLB.tv every year it's been available and I think it's worth every penny. Last year the basic package was $80 and it comes with the audio package so you can just listen if you're at work for example. In comparison to what the tv-based packages for MLB, the NFL, and the NBA cost, MLB.tv is dirt cheap.

Also, the big advantage MLB.tv has over EI, in my opinion, is that you can watch archived games and condensed games whenever you want -- which is really great if, say, you wanted to watch Phil Hughes's first MLB start or something. With EI (and satellite radio) you just get the live games.

by mrich on Jan 25, 2008 1:26 PM EST   0 recs

Re: Fans from out of the Indians' Viewing Area...
Options and experiences:

  1.  XM Radio.  Subscription is around $13/month plus tax plus the radio.  Pros are all the other great programming (seriously, I can't tell you how great the music is) and the ability to listen in the car or on the go with certain radios.  Cons are having to listen to other announcers, no internet stream for games, and occasional reception issues.

  2.  MLB Radio.  $15/yr last season.  Best deal in town, easy to use even w/dial-up.  WTAM always available.  But you have to be at a computer to listen.

  3.  MLB.TV.  For the premium stream, $20/mo or $120/yr last season.  Includes MLB online radio free.  The premium stream required a 1.5 Mbps connection to effectively use its coolest feature, the Mosaic player.  Reviewed by Disappointment Zone here, I will say that once they got the bugs worked out this was the coolest thing around.  Cons are bugginess (again, this got MUCH better, but was a colossal pain at the start of the season), mediocre picture sometimes, and all the road announcers.  Subject to stupid FOX blackouts, too.  Also requires high speed connection, but a 3 Mbps dry loop DSL line from AT&T is only $25/month.

  4.  Extra Innings.  Somewhere around $160 for the year.  Requires cable or satellite.  Again, FOX blackouts and lots of road announcers.  Only way to get HD broadcasts, though.

by mkwng on Jan 25, 2008 2:42 PM EST   0 recs

Re: Fans from out of the Indians' Viewing Area...
I have DirecTV with the Extra Innings package and think it's worth every penny.  Mkwng is right, though, that on about half the games you get the other team's announcers.  And there is an occasional blackout, but I see plenty of games.

by Denver Tribe Fan on Jan 25, 2008 7:49 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Fans from out of the Indians' Viewing Area...
talonk,
I just moved to Portland in December from Kent, (hence my new tag) and have not met many baseball fans.  Would you like get a beer sometime and talk tribe?

by pdx on Jan 25, 2008 2:59 PM EST   0 recs

Re: Fans from out of the Indians' Viewing Area...
Sure thing. When the season gets closer to going, we'll have to get together. Hopefully I'll have a house by then. Until then, am in a pretty small apartment.

Email me or vice versa and we'll get the thing planned.

by talonk on Jan 25, 2008 3:09 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Fans from out of the Indians' Viewing Area...
Cool, shoot me an email and we can put something together.
Good luck on the househunting.  It's tough finding your moneys worth out here.

by pdx on Jan 26, 2008 3:13 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Fans from out of the Indians' Viewing Area...
I haven't used it for some time, but is SOPCAST still available?  I used it for the games that weren't on EI or MLB.tv and it worked pretty well.  Maybe a little balky at times, but it is free.

There might be some foks on here who are more technically inclined that can direct you through the ins and outs.

Just a thought.

by Cactus Jack on Jan 25, 2008 4:17 PM EST   0 recs

Re: Fans from out of the Indians' Viewing Area...
I still use it pretty regularly to watch Chelsea games. Seems to be working just fine.
I swear, next year is it.

by fwembt on Jan 26, 2008 7:03 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Fans from out of the Indians' Viewing Area...
MLB.tv for me. I went with the standard version, as it seemed choppy enough, no reason to upgrade to the premium service.

This year, which I wish I would've done last year, I will be registering with an overseas credit card. I believe they black out based on your location, so hopefully this will help me get around that.

Does anyone have any experience with that?

by gte619n on Jan 25, 2008 4:41 PM EST   0 recs

Re: Fans from out of the Indians' Viewing Area...
I've heard that they actually black out based on the IP you're connecting from at the time and the credit card's zip code is just the secondary method for checking if they can't figure it out. Not sure if that's for real, but it seems to make more sense from a technical standpoint as far as pinpointing someone's exact location.

by zempf on Jan 28, 2008 10:06 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Fans from out of the Indians' Viewing Area...
Get XM Radio for Theme Time Radio Hour (with your host Bob Dylan), and stay for Tom Hamilton.

by JulioBernazard on Jan 25, 2008 5:44 PM EST   0 recs

Re: Fans from out of the Indians' Viewing Area...
I had MLB.tv for the first time last season and I thought it was awesome.  I got to watch more games in a season than I had before, so I was very pleased in that regard.  

The picture/streaming quality has improved significantly from a couple years ago.  I rarely ran into connection issues during games (I have a DSL connection).  

I agree, it is a bit pricey, but as someone who will watch 75-85% of the games, I think it's worth it.  I believe the radio station is included with the tv package.  It comes down to a matter of preference, if you feel like the radio broadcast would be adequate for what you're looking for.  They're both solid options, but I prefer being able to watch the games.  

by Pronk33 on Jan 25, 2008 10:09 PM EST   0 recs

Re: Fans from out of the Indians' Viewing Area...
Note: I might be hyping up the picture quality a little.  It varied some depending on the carrier station.  Also! the resolution wasn't that great once you started to expand the original window.  It's serviceable though.

by Pronk33 on Jan 25, 2008 10:11 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Fans from out of the Indians' Viewing Area...
Gameday Audio. Been using it since before you even had to pay for it - love me some Hammy.
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by Gradyforpresident on Jan 26, 2008 12:56 PM EST   0 recs

Re: Fans from out of the Indians' Viewing Area...
I have to say that I kind of like listening to XM, with some version of gamecast on when I've got the game thread open.  "ball in play (no out)"
-Erik

by drerikbrady on Jan 26, 2008 2:12 PM EST   0 recs

Re: Fans from out of the Indians' Viewing Area...
Call me crazy, I don't think $200 is an extravagant amount to spend on access to Tribe games, and that's about what I spend.

I went through 2006 with MLB.tv rather than EI and wasn't thrilled with the situation.  The picture quality is not remotely comparable -- not even with the "enhanced" version -- and the experience of watching on your computer is also not comparable to putting it up on your TV.  HD or no HD, a cable or satellite TV picture is just much higher quality than streaming web video -- not to mention the constant disruption of latency and buffering.

So to me, the extra $30-60 and the loss of portability (can't get it at the office) were worth the tradeoff of being able to watch a good picture reliably and comfortably in my own living room, where I watch perhaps 70-80 games.  (It also helps that I can work from home whenever I want, so I often can arrange to be at home for weekday afternoon games.)

I supplement with the Sprint MLB package, which costs just $36 for the whole season and provides home + away + Esp radio broadcasts of every single game.  Better even than XM -- which has only one broadcast per game -- it's "Ham-on-demand."  I just made a conscious choice to be Zen-like about the blackouts and the times I can't be at home for a game.  Rather than grouse about them, I just take the opportunity to listen to Ham rather than watch a grainy web video and pay a lot more money for it.

It helps of course that I have an unlimited Sprint data package, and there are only a handful of games all year that I would want to listen to that wouldn't fall under "nights and weekends," which for me begin at 7:00 EST.  So it all works out pretty well.

That's my story.  I look forward to HD but basically won't buy the TV until at least a couple Indians games a week are available in HD.  TV's keep getting better and cheaper, so I figure time is on my side.  But I won't go back to web video if I can possibly help it.  The savings over cable is maybe two bucks a week, and it's just not worth it.

by Jay on Jan 26, 2008 2:26 PM EST   0 recs

Re: Fans from out of the Indians' Viewing Area...
Yeah, I agree.  The best way to think about it is what it costs you per game.  So divide the $200 or so by the number of games you think you'll realistically be able to watch.  I think most people would think it's worth it.

by Denver Tribe Fan on Jan 26, 2008 6:54 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Fans from out of the Indians' Viewing Area...
Right.  And the truth is, the cost of Tribe games, plus other stuff like premium subscriptions, is dwarfed by the cost of how much baseball distracts me from my work.

by Jay on Jan 26, 2008 10:10 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Fans from out of the Indians' Viewing Area...
I paid $79 each the last two years for the mlb.tv package and to me it was well worth it.  I probably watched bits and pieces of at least 90 games last year.  Yes the picture quality is kind of "eh" but not unwatchable.  I've considered going with Extra Innings this year, especially with STO going all HD (I did read something about that, didn't I?).  Unfortunately, just because they're going HD doesn't mean that Comcast in Birmingham, AL will offer it in HD.  Our HD channel selection is pretty limited.  

I also got the Mosaic version for $10 at the end of the year last year and really liked it.  Great for watching the Playoff races.  Just my $.02 worth.  

by Chris on Jan 27, 2008 1:42 PM EST   0 recs

Re: Fans from out of the Indians' Viewing Area...
Comcast is in the proces of taking over my cable system.  Insight did not offer Extra Innings.  Hopefully Comcast will offer it here this year.  Their recent letter said it could be "mid-year" before they completely convert our system

I will probably go with mlb.tv if they don't - although I am strongly considering DIRECTV to be able to get EI.

by IndyDave on Jan 27, 2008 2:28 PM EST   0 recs

Re: Fans from out of the Indians' Viewing Area...
I'd wait for mid-year.  No doubt Comcast will offer you EI once they can get digital-grade cabling out to the last mile, assuming that's the holdup.  You can go month-to-month on MLB.tv as well.

by Jay on Jan 28, 2008 9:20 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

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