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Turns out our good friend Grover was the first to utter "Manny being Manny" for the press.

Great to read an ESPN article that is both well-researched and fun to read.

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If I recall correctly, Kevin Millar claimed that he invented the phrase

by Roger Dorn on Oct 16, 2008 12:05 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m glad the truth is out

by Roger Dorn on Oct 16, 2008 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, I first thought of the phrase in a bar called Fitzpatrick’s on Lexington Avenue in Manhattan on Christmas eve in 1986. I told quite a few people in the tavern as well. Perhaps Kevin Millar was there.

by odradek on Oct 17, 2008 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

But what about the phrase “Human Rain Delay?”

by woodsmeister on Oct 16, 2008 12:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Thing is that phase started as “Grover being Grover,” but Jim Henson threatened a lawsuit.

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Oct 16, 2008 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Oct 16, 2008 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait. Rocco Baldelli is Italian?

by Roger Dorn on Oct 16, 2008 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

AND HERE COME THE YANKEES!

by Jay on Oct 16, 2008 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

AND HERE COME THE YANKEES!

by afh4 on Oct 16, 2008 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

What is this Rhode Island of which you speak? There are only three islands – Manhattan, Long and Staten. And what’s with the silent “h”? Clearly unnecessary.

by FredOx on Oct 16, 2008 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

The silent h is yuge among Lawn Guylanders…

by Logodaedalus on Oct 16, 2008 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think this is all true. It becomes even more galling when you discuss the numbers involved. TBS pays 104 million a year in broadcast rights and God knows how much these dudes in the booth get paid. You would think that there would be an emphasis on getting the commentators to do their jobs.

At this point, it seems sports announcers are paid to be the sports equivalent of morning show hosts as opposed to evening news anchors.

by NickFantana on Oct 16, 2008 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

At this point, it seems sports announcers are paid to be the sports equivalent of morning show hosts as opposed to evening news anchors.

Excellent analogy. As such, they are pandering to the lowest common denominator. Think about it — out of those watching the NLCS, are there more people that know Casey Blake’s actual history than there are people that don’t care and would rather hear a cutesy anecdote?

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Oct 16, 2008 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll play. You raise a solid point in a lot of respects, however, I think there’s a clear parry here.

If Casey Blake was asked by somebody how he felt about curtain calls and big crowds it’s not unlikely that he would give an answer every bit as inane. Athletes constantly give exactly these sorts of quotes:

“Casey, why didn’t you want to take the curtain call?”

“Well, you know, I’m not much for the bright lights.”

Or something else incredibly stupid. The media has created a system in which athletes are far more afraid of saying something interesting than they are excited by the idea of saying something interesting. And, frankly Tyler, if the guy had said “Casey’s too modest” or the thing about a solo shot, it would’ve been just as boring as what the commentator did say.

If Rocco Baldelli refuses to make a curtain call, are they going to tell me it’s because he’s from Rhode Island? Or because he’s Italian?

Probably or they’re going to mention mitochondria. And when Pedroia makes a play they’re going to say something about his stature. And when Lester makes a K they’re going to say something about cancer.

It appears to be true that sportswriters work harder at getting more out of the Boston/NY guys. Still, a lot of what we hear about David Ortiz, Pedroia, Lester, Beckett, Manny whoever is just as stupid-I’ve heard a million times about Manny growing up next to Yankee Stadium, Manny’s hairdresser, Beckett being from Texas and idolizing Clemens, Bernie Williams playing guitar, Andy Pettite being friends with Clemens, Youkilis being featured in Moneyball, Youkilis’ batting stance, Robinson Cano’s dad and Jeter’s racial makeup. It’s not like we’re constantly getting new stuff about these guys either. Granted, I’m not listening very hard.

by afh4 on Oct 16, 2008 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think the media created this problem, though. I think it’s just the natural problem of what it sounds like to an average person when a celebrity they don’t know personally says something that otherwise wouldn’t be a strange thing to say.

by Jay on Oct 16, 2008 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

If only all players would interview like Charles Barkley did…

by jds16 on Oct 16, 2008 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually, casey blake is a bad generic subject for this conversation. he’s way more likely to toss out a great dead-pan than a cliche.

"Casey, why didn’t you want to take the curtain call?"

"I was busy texting Travis that I hit that ball farther than he’s hit a ball in 5 months."

by Brick. on Oct 16, 2008 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

The reality might actually be that some of the guys are boring, Andrew. But I’m watching the programming and viewing its advertisers. I expect the commentators ACTUALLY TO KNOW whether the guy’s boring, especially in the context of the playoffs when there are only a few dozen people to talk to. If they can’t be interesting, at least they can be factual.

I can agree with you that there are a lot of inane comments being thrown around in the playoffs. Athletes don’t get paid to talk. But the commentators do get paid to ask questions, and when they’ve got the same several dozen guys to talk about for a week it seems the least they can do. And you never know when they might reveal something of genuine interest.

I may be over-stating my point. I just think the playoff coverage this year, and in recent years, has been especially trite and navel-gazey, and I suspect it’s in part because some of the front-line media folks haven’t the foggiest idea who the players even are.

by fleerdon on Oct 16, 2008 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isn’t bringing up Blake’s hometown the most factual thing you’re going to hear about a player on one of these broadcasts? I mean, it beats talking about how “[Team that is ahead] is hitting the ball well.”

I guess the primary rub is that I’ve always found commentators trite and navel-gazey at about the same level. And I don’t really know that it has anything to do with market size.

Destroying this trend is:

TNT’s NBA show
Ron Jaworski

I think that’s about the whole list.

Did you guys know Carl Crawford was recruited to play basketball at UCLA? /sarc

by afh4 on Oct 16, 2008 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

i just found out evan longoria was married to a guard on the spurs.

by Brick. on Oct 16, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is in California.

by FredOx on Oct 17, 2008 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Plus, the guard is French.

by peter m on Oct 20, 2008 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, Tony Parker is married to Eva. I thought we were talking about Jacque Vaughn.

by FredOx on Oct 20, 2008 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve always appreciated Jaworski’s breakdown of video. I wonder why more analysts who played the game can’t just do that. It really sheds a new light on certain plays (take note, Baseball Tonight).

As far as television media is concerned I’m pretty cool with the whole MNF crew. Kornheiser may not contribute a lot, but at least his comments are different and similar to what the guy next to you at the bar might say. And I think Tirico is a great narrator.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Oct 17, 2008 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Should we explore why Hargrove, Manny’s boss, would create or repeat such nonsense? How effective is your boss when he dismisses any kind of insane behavior with this nonsense? “it’s just Manson being Manson” or “it’s just Albert being Albert”.

by elsandito on Oct 20, 2008 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you read the article? At the time, Manny was an absent-minded rookie, and most thought he would grow out of this, at least slightly. Instead, he has grown into a monstrous sense of unreflective entitlement.

by Jay on Oct 20, 2008 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

unreflective entitlement:

1. When the name of the book is printed on the cover with letters that are not shinny enough to act like a mirror.
2. A spoiled vampire.
3. A bike that a child gets for christmas even though he was naughty that cannot be seen by cars at night.

by Brick. on Oct 20, 2008 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think the point may be that it was being socialized in the “Manny being Manny” culture from an early age is, in part, what led him to become a self-entitled monster.

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Oct 20, 2008 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

During the NLCS I split between listening to Vin Scully and Harry Kalas. I don’t think Vin is a god or anything, but he (or his researchers) do seem to do a bit of reporting before a game. Going into the dugout and talking with players, culling weird facts from the media guide. Researching. It doesn’t keep him from reminding a viewer that Mastny is from Indonesia, but occasionally he actually has something interesting to say.

by odradek on Oct 17, 2008 12:14 AM EDT reply actions  

He also makes up the hometowns of people who catch fouls. There’s something quaint about that.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Oct 17, 2008 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I enjoyed listening to Vin during this series, but he tends to be over-prepared, to force facts into the narrative that aren’t needed. He’s great at calling the game, establishing the flow, turning a phrase. But I really don’t care that Cole Hamels and his wife alphabetize their canned goods.

That said, Vinnie can’t change, nor should he. I just hope he retires before he reaches Harry Carey Land.

by SuddenSam on Oct 17, 2008 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

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