Ellis to re-sign with Oakland

I know some wanted Shapiro to take a look at him this winter..

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Looks like they signed him for about what he makes now ($5 million per year) plus incentives. That might be a hint as to what it would take to get someone like Hudson (who’s now at 6.25 million).

by peter m on Oct 19, 2008 4:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I don’t think so. Hudson has a much more impressive track record, and that salary is from an old contract.

by Jay on Oct 20, 2008 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I did’t explain myself very clearly. I meant that Hudson will cost AT LEAST as much as he’s now earning (as with Ellis), i.e., you won’t get Hudson for any less than 2 years with an option and at a price higher than Ellis (i.e., at least 6+ million per year). You’re implying it would probably be more than that — I suspect you’re right. Personally, I hope they spend on pitching first.

by peter m on Oct 20, 2008 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hudson is going to be pricey considering he’s the top FA 2nd baseman and two big market clubs, the Mets and White Sox, are aggressively pursuing an upgrade at 2nd base. I’d very surprised if we signed Hudson, especially if it was to a decent deal.

by world dictator on Oct 21, 2008 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I was wondering how this would affect the Hudson signing and ran across this (albeit from last April):

The D-Backs have had intermittent talks with Orlando Hudson’s camp about an extension since late in 2007, but the sides appear so far apart that it would take a major move by one to rekindle meaningful dialog.
Hudson, a three-time Gold Glove winner who will become a free agent after this season, is said to be seeking a yearly salary similar to the $15 million Philadelphia’s Chase Utley will receive in each of the final four years of his seven-year, $85 million dollar extension signed before 2007.

I’m not sure if he’s overestimating the demand for him, but the mention of Chase Utley money makes me depressed.

by The DiaTriber on Oct 20, 2008 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

In what world is Orlando Hudson worth as much as Chase Utley or a top flight starting pitcher. If I were a GM I would laugh at Hudson’s agent and hang up the phone. Then call him back and hang up again.

by world dictator on Oct 21, 2008 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

Mark Ellis’ generosity to the A’s probably doesn’t help the market for Hudson and his agent.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Oct 21, 2008 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don’t think the Ellis contract will have any effect on the Hudson contract. Its pretty obvious Ellis gave the A’s a generous deal as you called it. But even before his kindness Hudson was head and shoulders above Ellis.

by world dictator on Oct 21, 2008 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hudson was head and shoulders above Ellis.

This is not true and is exactly why the Ellis deal is such a good deal. Orlando Hudson is going to get much more money/years than Ellis and it will be widely accepted that Hudson is a lot better than Ellis. He’s not.

by Peter Bendix on Oct 21, 2008 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Mark Ellis OPS in 2008: .694
Orlando Hudson OPS in 2008: .818

by world dictator on Oct 21, 2008 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Mark Ellis road OPS in 2008: .790
Orlando Hudson road OPS in 2008: .720

by Peter Bendix on Oct 21, 2008 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

They also have the same exact career OPS+ (99) with only a year separating ages.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Oct 21, 2008 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Except Ellis’ big OPS+ season’s were at the beginning of his career and Hudson’s are at the end.

Ellis’ last three years:
84
110
90

Hudson
102
106
110

by world dictator on Oct 21, 2008 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Okay let’s just throw all the numbers up here and we can both stop being selective. This “Ellis’ big OPS+ seasons were at the beginning of his career” comment is a little odd concerning you are referring to one season.

Ellis, career
103
81
127
84
110
90 (at the age of 31)

Hudson, career
97
87
98
91
102
106
109 (age 30)

If consistency counts for anything, at least you can assume something very close to 100 from Hudson in a healthy season. You can’t count on the health, but that’s a wash anyway.

And I’m not sure if you’re suggesting that Orlando Hudson is trending upwards in his age 31 season, but if that’s the case I doubt it.

I’d rate Ellis’ glove above Hudson even though both are by all accounts fantastic. Is Orlando “head and shoulder” above Ellis, as you put it? No.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Oct 21, 2008 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Progression.

The difference between the two shows that Hudson is progressing while Ellis is not. That’s a major point in Orlando’s favor.

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by Kyle Boddy on Oct 22, 2008 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hudson has progressed, slightly. We don’t know if he is progressing, and it’s unlikely.

by Jay on Oct 22, 2008 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Isn’t there an argument that Hudson is a much safer bet to not just “poof”? He’s younger and he’s been better at the end of his career.

by afh4 on Oct 22, 2008 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Safer? Yes. Better? Yes. $30 million more expensive? Yes.

by Jay on Oct 22, 2008 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Right. I think the whole point is that there’s no reason for Hudson to be making so much more money.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Oct 22, 2008 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don’t know, he may well be worth it to a team on the tipping point. It doesn’t ultimately matter if he’s worth X dollars more than Ellis is worth, because Ellis is not on the market and never was.

by Jay on Oct 22, 2008 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs