Game Thread: ALCS Game Seven
by Jay on Oct 19, 2008 9:18 PM EDT
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PrintBoston Red Sox at Tampa Bay Rays, Oct 19, 2008 8:07 PM EDT
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Had ESPN Radio on in the car for the first few innings. Miller said that of the prevoius 32 teams to be up 3-1 and lose games 5 and 6, only 4 won game 7. The last to do so – the 1992 Braves with the Sid Bream scoring ahead on Barry Bonds throw on a single by Francisco Cabrera. And I believe that was the last winning season in Pittspuke.
They don’t believe in breaking game threads into manageable bits, do they? Plus all that bold text hurts my brain.
And you guys root for these people. For shame
* shakes head *
by world dictator on Oct 19, 2008 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I couldn’t honestly root for the Red Sox if you held a gun to my head.
Sure, I’d fake it, but …
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In Cliff we trust.
I’d take the bullet.
"...leading the league in most offensive categories. Including nose hairs."
by sarcasmdave on Oct 19, 2008 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
check out yesterdays thread… i got roughed up lol.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
Fact: Timothy Hutton won an Oscar in 1980 for the film Ordinary People. Now, he’s in a terrible looking original series for TNT.
PEDroia sucks.
Fire Romeo/Derek
Don't be stupid. PUT IN MELOAN.
Has he done a decent film at fall in the last two decades? The last movie I saw him in that I remember liking was in, like, 1982.
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In Cliff we trust.
My kids and I liked The Last Mimzy, but this crowd isn;t really the target demo. I liked Sunshine State. Beyond that, and you hit the 1980s.
For those who can’t handle the TBS feed (and don’t mind being a bit lagged), the ESPN radio coverage is streaming from here.
YMMV, but it made this series FAR more tolerable for me.
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In Cliff we trust.
You don’t like Ron Darling and Buck Martinez? I think Ron Darling sounds like Dr Katz.
by NickFantana on Oct 19, 2008 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
For the next 2 years, I will be watching all games on a giant HD tv. It’s funny how pointless HD is. Like, I don’t even notice how great the picture is anymore, I just notice how terrible regular tv looks when I’m at my buddies’ house(s).
Wow, Crawford is an athletic freak. Recruited to play bball at UCLA, football at USC – played pro baseball instead.
Because jinxes don’t exist, let’s assume tampa wins this game. Do I care if they beat philly or not? Yeah, yeah, small market, but it’s still the AL east winning a world series.
I honestly don’t care who wins in that scenario: I was just looking forward to watching some good postseason baseball from two underdog teams … which is almost entirely the reason I am so furious that Boston is back in this.
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In Cliff we trust.
At my school, it’s cool to be a red sox fan, completely independent if you have ever been further east than pittsburg. If you happen to be from Boston – you are a minor deity.
Hearing chicks talk about “how badass that comeback was” is, well, a bad experience.
Richmond is full of Red Sox fans who probably couldn’t find Boston on a map. That a town that boasts both the Confederate White House and Museum of the Confederacy, the choice has always struck me as odd.
To awkwardly open up, one of my biggest recurring nightmares is of the genre of “blown leads” – like being 99% there and managing to fail. Evan Longoria’s throwing error in the ninth of game 5 was this nightmare manifest.
Good. The move they should have made in Game 5. That means this one must end better, right?
by cleveland teamer on Oct 19, 2008 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope Coco didn’t learn to slide that way in Cleveland
by cleveland teamer on Oct 19, 2008 11:10 PM EDT reply actions
Oh no, Youkilis is a career .400 hitter vs. Bradford!
by cleveland teamer on Oct 19, 2008 11:13 PM EDT reply actions
another sign that the Tribe should get a real closer
(as should Tampa Bay)
by cleveland teamer on Oct 19, 2008 11:16 PM EDT reply actions
Wow Maddon, not sure about the pitcher usage here.
by supermarioelia on Oct 19, 2008 11:18 PM EDT reply actions
Yup for sure. melia2010 at meds.uwo.ca. I’ll warn you though that experiences are quite different from school to school, let alone between American and Canadian schools. I personally am absolutely loving it so far (last 6 weeks of actual hospital work though have been hellish, Chuck was right), and it really does challenge you from day to day. But feel free to send me any questions.
by supermarioelia on Oct 19, 2008 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Joe Maddon knew that one) David Price is pretty good, and two) JD Drew has never seen Price pitch before
Heading into the bedroom. I have to watch this with my own eyes. One way or the other.
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In Cliff we trust.
Isn’t everyone feeling conflicted about this? Agitated that the Rays are probably going to pull it out where the Indians didn’t?
I’m more agitated by the fact the entire building is packed with fairweather fans who are about to celebrate.
by supermarioelia on Oct 19, 2008 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
No question I’m rooting for Philly to take it all. Only because the other options really suck.
by supermarioelia on Oct 19, 2008 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
If only you and your sidekick could drive at a high speed right at them, forcing them to jump off the bridge into the river.
by NickFantana on Oct 19, 2008 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
A friend of mine had 2 free ‘club seats’ ($375/ticket) to the Buccaneers vs. Seahawks game so we made the trek north from Sarasota. We stopped at Ferg’s Sports Bar on the way up, which is within a short walk of Tropicana Field, and watched the 1st half of the Browns game, ugh.
From someone who has attended many games at “The Trop”, as they call it down here, let me inform the group that I’ve never seen Ferg’s so busy prior to a baseball game. It was truly a festive atmosphere. Boston fan was all over the place, but that’s not so uncommon in a transient destination like Tampa/St. Pete.
At the Bucs football game, they had the Rays game on the big TV out in the club seat lobby. After the football game was over, almost everyone stayed and watched the Rays game on the stadium TVs for the next 45 minutes or so. The stadium didn’t empty until there was a massive celebration for the Rays.
It takes time for a team like the Rays to change the tradition of losing. They had never won more than 70 games prior to this year. Fans didn’t buy into the hype because they expected the team to fail as they have done for so many years in the past.
Call them fair weather fans, but if the Rays continue on their path of success in the years to come, their fan base will strengthen. The Tribe didn’t attract that many fans to Municipal Stadium (aside from opening day) until they started winning consistently, starting in 1994.
I’m a Tribe fan first and foremost, for sure. But it’s REALLY nice to see an upstart, mid-market team like the Rays beat a big market team like the hated Red Sox.
by SpringTrainingFun on Oct 20, 2008 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
The Rays have played better. They deserve it more.
by NickFantana on Oct 19, 2008 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Got that feeling too. Still better than the Sox, I suppose
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Oct 20, 2008 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
As much as I loathe the Sox, these fans are making me ill.
"I"M SO NERVOUS!!!! I"VE BEEN A FAN OF THIS TEAM FOR LIKE SIX DAYS!!!!"
by supermarioelia on Oct 19, 2008 11:38 PM EDT reply actions
That insult basically works for the sox too.
by joeee on Oct 19, 2008 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
This is true. I need some kind of black hole to engulf both of these fanbases. And ours will swoop in and take the title.
by supermarioelia on Oct 19, 2008 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Mainly because until a month ago you couldn’t find one in Florida, let alone the rest of the country.
Fingers crossed, but breathing normally
by Chief WaDrew on Oct 20, 2008 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Not gonna lie though, I love this Rays team. Really look like they’re having fun out there.
by supermarioelia on Oct 19, 2008 11:41 PM EDT reply actions
It’s like the the TBS announcers weren’t prepared to say anything in the event of a Rays win
by cleveland teamer on Oct 19, 2008 11:42 PM EDT reply actions
“AND HERE COME THE REDSOX!”
“psst, Chip, the game’s over”
by supermarioelia on Oct 19, 2008 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Time for me to cash that “Rays Win the ALCS” ticket wager I placed in March. Ah crap.
by supermarioelia on Oct 19, 2008 11:42 PM EDT reply actions
oh would that be nice.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
He called and tried. They wouldn’t do it, the books were already balanced or whatever. They told him to call back if the Rays won the ALCS.
He will. Dan is the only person I know who appears he could make a living betting on sports. He makes at least a few grand a year between that and blackjack, it seems. He’s a serious Yankees fan and he made a ton of money on betting on them to miss the playoffs this year.
But, he’s a banker for Morgan Stanley or something so he’s doing OK. At leas the was doing OK.
I must be missing something.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
Sports books will let you cash in bets at reduced odds has the odds get better. So if you take 80 to 1 on something and then it gets to that team in the series, you can probably get them to just pay you 10 to 1 or something. They’d rather take it off the books.
I’m not wrapping my head around this, but whatever.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
Look at it this way.
You could get even money for the Phillies to win the World Series. If he bets 80K on the Phillies, what happens?
a. Phillies win, he loses the 80K bet but wins the 40K bet, nets 40K.
b. Rays win, he wins the 80K bet but loses the 40K bet, nets 40K.
Therefore, the book should just let him cash in the bet now for up to 40K, but in truth, if he can bet 40K on the Phillies with any book, then he’s basically laying the bet off himself. Only difference is, you have to have 40K liquid to place that bet, or a book who’s willing to give you that kind of credit.
FIRE SKINNER
Anti-Ben Fran before it was cool.
by Gradyforpresident on Oct 19, 2008 11:42 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah, regardless of what I said earlier, that should have been us. DAMNIT
by NickFantana on Oct 19, 2008 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I know, one hundred percent agree. But we were more better than the Red Sox, as compared to Tampa this year.
by NickFantana on Oct 19, 2008 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
No. We were better last year than the Rays are this year, but the Red Sox aren’t as good as they were.
Well, I think the gap between us and the Rays this year is bigger than the gap between the 08 Sox and the 07 Sox. This would all go away if I’d bother to look up the relevant facts.
by NickFantana on Oct 22, 2008 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Here’s some numbers to play with:
Team OPS OPS+ RS RA Run Diff 07 CLE .781 100 811 704 107 08 TBR .762 103 774 671 103 07 BOS .806 107 867 657 210 08 BOS .805 108 845 694 151
I wish all the things people requested of me could be fulfilled via baseball statistics on the internet.
I think you deserve some sort of award for your willingness to go look these things up for people.
by Logodaedalus on Oct 22, 2008 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
oh, Ash.
Anti-Ben Fran before it was cool.
by Gradyforpresident on Oct 23, 2008 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I imagine that creepy stare is good for doing a lot of things that start with “looking”
by Logodaedalus on Oct 23, 2008 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
casey would have homered instead of gidp’ing in the 7th if skinner hadn’t stopped lofton. nothing will ever be able to convince me otherwise
Anti-Ben Fran before it was cool.
by Gradyforpresident on Oct 19, 2008 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
now THAT says something about the fans
by cleveland teamer on Oct 19, 2008 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Whoever is being interviewed on the radio just said “We get at least four more games” with the most enthusiastic smile in his voice. I love guys who love basball.
i feel like my best friend just got with a victoria’s secret model i was hypothetically dating
Anti-Ben Fran before it was cool.
by Gradyforpresident on Oct 19, 2008 11:53 PM EDT reply actions
that makes no sense. he took what should have been forever mine away
Anti-Ben Fran before it was cool.
by Gradyforpresident on Oct 19, 2008 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
like, if i were dating a victoria’s secret model, and that happened. my analogy probably doesn’t work but it makes sense to me.
Anti-Ben Fran before it was cool.
by Gradyforpresident on Oct 19, 2008 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
sealed
Anti-Ben Fran before it was cool.
by Gradyforpresident on Oct 19, 2008 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Except that you didn’t.
It’s more like, you met her in a bar, and you were telling yourself that you might have a shot, but you didn’t actually get her number. And you figured, at some point I’ll run into her again through our mutual friend, etc. And you did nothing about it for six months and never asked your friend about her.
And then your friend started dating her.
by Jay on Oct 20, 2008 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And your friend lives in a house fashioned out of garbage bags and dismay.
by afh4 on Oct 20, 2008 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
my feelings have their analogies mixed up
Anti-Ben Fran before it was cool.
by Gradyforpresident on Oct 20, 2008 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
And then when you were going to make a move, you suffered a series of bizarre injuries; by the time you were healthy enough to make your move, it was too late.
Yeah. But you accidentally signed a $5400 dollar contract to do a porno, but then you met a girl you actually cared about and felt terrible about it when your friends made jokes about “the pictures” at your Oktoberfest party.
i feel like its one one those passenger-laden trains that falls off a high altitude bridge over a mile high chasm
Anti-Ben Fran before it was cool.
by Gradyforpresident on Oct 20, 2008 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh man, rec the hell outta this
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Oct 20, 2008 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
No, I think GFP got further than that. You guys are missing the obvious analogy. He got to third base with the Victoria’s Secret model, but then Skinner put up the stop sign.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Oct 20, 2008 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
True. But getting that close can also be tremendously frustrating. I’m just sayin’.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Oct 20, 2008 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
You guys are being over the top. I’m glad the Red Sox won but that’s about it.
The Rays are relatively despicable in their own right and they’re not the Indians.
That I like to watch win the ALCS in a year when we tanked a quarter of the season and then showed that we were pretty clearly the best in the Central?
If you could pick any of the 13 other AL clubs, would you feel happy about any of them making the WS?
Yeah, this is a difference in perspective. I root for the Phillies, and I conceivably could enjoy rooting for the Reds. But in general, who I’m rooting for is more about who I’m rooting against.
I got the World Series matchup I wanted.
I had a little Reds thing growing up. Sue me.
I don’t need any crap from any Jacobs Field Era of Champions fans, I can tell you that.
I totally hate the Bengals. I don’t even really follow the Browns much anymore, but I still hate the Bengals.
Ryan – that’s the primary cause of my hatred. How many who-deh? fans did you have to suffer two-three years ago?
Not many, because where I live isn’t exactly a bastion of Bengal fans.
Now I get hating the Bengals because of Sam Wyche and company, but that’s partly because his teams were actually good. Hating an organization headed by Mike Brown isn’t really worth the effort. I’d much rather just laugh at them.
When I was maybe 9 or so I was convinced Jose Rijo and Barry Larkin were the best players of all time.
I will take this time to once again shamelessly point out that I was originally raised a Tigers fan.
Well, I was born and raised in north central Ohio. I grew up in the 90s. My dad, from Michigan, raised me a Tigers fan (after naming me after a Tigers player). But the Tigers sucked. The Indians rocked. And they were the local team. I switched allegiances somewhere around age 6.
His fandom at this point is non-existent. I can name more Tigers players than he can. But he grew up mimicking Kaline and Trammel and Gibson and the like. I’d say he stopped being an active fan shortly after I was born.
Oh, bite me. Warms the cockles of my heart and all that. I could tell the story of grandpa, cancer and the 1990 Reds, but that’s be a bit overly melodramatic.
Individual players, maybe (David Price kinda rocks), but this is very much a woo hoo, the Great Satan lost celebration. Plus I don’t see what’s all that wrong with the Rays franchise.
Regardless of how satisfying it was to see the Sawx lose to the Rays, it’s still a pretty empty feeling. We’re getting a Boston-free World Series, but that only means the Series will be easier to watch, with no losing rooting interest involved.
I guess in a year where the Indians don’t make the playoffs, this is the best you can do.
Hello Ryan,
I’d like to see the Indians there too, but not seeing the Yankees, Red Sox, or White Sox in the WS is not too bad a consolation prize in my opinion.
If the Red Sox had won this game, can you imagine how much media hype we’d hear about how great Boston is at “coming back” – it would get sickening pretty quickly (for me, at least).
Now, at least they have to put a “but” in there if they want to mention comebacks, since they didn’t finish this one off against the Rays (thank goodness).
Just my 2 cents.
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
The guy they got back should still be a franchise player, and you may not have noticed, but the Twins were not exactly hurting for young starting pitching this year.
I’m not a big Delmon fan. I don’t think the powers coming. He hits a lot of groundballs if I recall correctly.
Regardless, it just seems nuts to ever trade a guy with Garza’s numbers. I guess they thought he was really nuts.
Hello Andrew and Jay,
I’m not totally convinced about Young’s power either – he might be more that 20 HR-type guy rather than 35-40 HR-type guy. If Delmon can hit .300+ along with 20-25 HRs, that could make him a borderline franchise player, but I think the Twins are expecting to hit more like 30+ HRs – if he doesn’t live up to that potential, I think the edge on that trade definitely goes to the Rays.
As well, I’d be very hesitant to give up a guy with a power arm like Garza – personally, I wish the Indians would take more chances on drafting guys with power arms. Granted, they’re not all going to work out, but if they have solid enough coaching, a few of them, at least, should work out, and as we can see (both from the postseason series that have been going on and that BP study), power pitching can and often does make a difference in the postseason.
I also like how the Rays’ offense can attack in a multitude of ways – big ball, little ball, good fundamentals, etc. Arguably, they play the way the Twins do, plus add good power to it. While they have or potentially have big mashers in the front to middle of that lineup (Upton, Pena, Longoria), they can also manufacture runs as well and have guys who can hit for a good combination of average and power (Aybar, Crawford – who plays LF, showing again that you DON’T have to have a 30+ HR hitter in LF, especially if you have power coming from other spots in the lineup, much like the Indians do). I think guys like Choo, and possibly even Gutierrez and Francisco could provide some comparable skills (probably not at the level of a Crawford, but more on that order of a good combination of skills). Hopefully, guys like Brantley and/or even Crowe could add to that mix – guys who won’t wow you with HR power, but will do a lot of skills well and essentially make themselves tough outs against opposing pitchers.
Just my 2 cents.
Way to go Rays! :-)
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
Hello Jay,
With all due respect, our OF position is in such flux that I wouldn’t write off anyone unless it’s the likes of Brad Snyder (who’s long past his prime as compared to Crowe), Ryan Mulhern, or Jason Cooper, all of whom are considerably worse than Crowe.
My main point is, we need more contact/speed guys who can put up good at-bats and do the “little things” more consistently. Granted, Crowe’s increasing K rate is not a good sign, but the skill set he and Brantley bring to the table is something that I wouldn’t mind being incorporated more into our lineup, just like I don’t mind the tweeners like Choo, Gutierrez, and Francisco (20-25 HRs, maybe a run at 30 HRs in 1-2 seasons, .270-.300+ BA, decent to solid BB/K ratios, solid to well above-average defense) – I think that can work well, and I think the Rays’ lineup is one that they don’t have an entire team of mashers running through that lineup. Yes, they have guys who can hit the occasional HR (and some who can hit them in bunches like Upton and Longoria), but they do the little things well and can manufacture runs, as well as put up quality at-bats. That’s what I want to see more consistently from the Indians.
Just my 2 cents.
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
I don’t see the big deal. With cable and satellite in at least 90% of US households, and TBS on 99.99% of cable/satellite lineups, you certainly can’t say that it’s a channel no one gets.
Well, they may not know much about baseball, but then again, their more experienced brethren aren’t known for sensible voting either. Maybe he’s the player the voters would most like to have a beer with.
So I imported a ton of clips and then trimmed them down into what I was doing. So now I have 15 minutes of stuff and then 30 minutes of blank space at the end.
Any idea how to get rid of the blank space?
I love how Turner’s whole thing on producing new shows is 95% of budget to pretty good/famous actors and 5% to actually making the show interesting.
Like what’s that ABC show with Calista Flockhart and Sally Field and eight other famous people and apparently it’s horrendous?
Apparently some exec did, since they hired a bunch of name actors, and is promoting the heck out of it.
btw, why didn’t they just show the BBC version of Life on Mars instead of producing their own version of it? Now there’s no way I can Netflix the original.
I wonder how Eck feels about Captain Morgan sponsoring all this.
Did anyone see when he shouted at Harold “I’m being serious!”
I did not. What happened?
I will tell you that I wasn’t sure he knew what the official names for a fastball and curveball were, since he went a couple straight segments referring to them only as “gas” and “hook,”
Steel Nick
Wow, I couldn’t stand to watch, so I took my kid to see “W” instead. Now I wish I’d watched. Please tell me Pedroia cried.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Oct 20, 2008 12:43 AM EDT reply actions
Wow, good timing, Nick.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Oct 20, 2008 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know if he cried, but apparently he was so anxious he tore all the hair out in the back of his head.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 20, 2008 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hello DTF,
I know Pedroia was mad at himself because he got an inside pitch that he could have hit hard, possibly even for a HR, with 2 runners aboard, but jammed himself, so it’s likely he had some regrets (like swinging too hard as he usually does).
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
Probably overcompensation for lack of size, indiansfan. Thanks for the detail, though.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Oct 20, 2008 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Damn, I’m so angry I missed this thread. Was still too drunk from the Browns game that I didn’t feel like booting up the computer. I watched it and loved it though. That said, go Phils.
Burn on, big river, burn on...
I watched this game last night in a room full of people rooting for the Red Sox. The majority of them displayed enthusiasm (and subsequent despondence) disproportionate to their level of connection to the team, if you ask me (one went to college in Boston, two started rooting for them out of hatred for the Yankees, as if those were the only two options), but what else is new in that “Nation”. I was the lone person actively rooting for their demise, which made me almost feel like a dick for acting so gleeful when everyone else was excessively sullen… Almost.
It was beautiful, in any case.
Did they have pink Red Sox hats on?
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Oct 20, 2008 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
No pink hats, but the Harvard grad had a solid red Manny Ramirez jersey. I refused to hug her hello.
by Logodaedalus on Oct 21, 2008 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
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