Game Thread: World Series Game Five
by Jay on Oct 27, 2008 8:38 PM EDT
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PrintTampa Bay Rays at Philadelphia Phillies, Oct 29, 2008 8:37 PM EDT
Cole Hamels goes for the coronation.
UPDATE: For the first time in history, a World Series game has been suspended. Officials essentially scheduled a 22-hour rain delay once the top of the 6th inning was completed. Despite the possible need to travel back to Florida on Wednesday and a high probability of more crappy weather tomorrow night, MLB's quixotic pursuit for tiny national ratings boosts will keep the game from resuming at any point during the afternoon, as any sane person would schedule it.
Interestingly, commissioner Selig met with officials of both teams before the game and got them to agree with his decision that regardless of the situation, the game would not go final without playing all nine innings. Under normal rules, had the Rays failed to tie the score in the top of the 6th, then the game would not have been suspended due to rain, it would have been declared finished, with the Phillies winning both the game and the championship on a rain-shorted 5.5-inning game. It's hard to imagine someone taking issue with Selig's stand on this, but the question remains, if the postseason should be treated differently in this regard, then why don't the rules already reflect that?
Cole Hamels' bid to become the only pitcher ever to have a 5-0 postseason is a likely casualty of the rain delay. The score is tied now, and his outing is over of course. If the Phillies re-take the lead in the bottom of the sixth, and hold it through the ninth, then he'll get his fifth win, even though he'll be lifted for a pinch-hitter as soon as play resumes.
FURTHER UPDATE: The rain delay has been stretched to 46 hours; the game is now scheduled to resume tomorrow night (Wednesday) rather than tonight (Tuesday). That will also make this the longest Game Thread ever.
FINAL UPDATE: The Phillies win. We don't. I mean, they're about as good of a team to win it as you could ask for, since it's not going to be us, and for all kinds of different reasons. Still, another relatively "starved" town dances in the streets — outside my windows — while we wait another year.
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#6 At the end of Lost in Translation, Scarlett Johansson whispers to Bill Murray, "I love Cole Hamels.
#9 If Cole Hamels faced the Rays in the World Series three years earlier, Steve Irwin would still be alive."
Oh, too soon
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Oct 27, 2008 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
According to the New York Times, the regular announcer rotation on WPHT will be altered to allow Harry Kalas to call the ninth. He usually does only the middle three innings. MLB did not permit local broadcasts in 1980, so Harry has never called a Phillies championship.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/28/sports/baseball/28why.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
The best three innings of the Tigers – Cards WS were the ones that FOX let Paul Carey call.
by fleerdon on Oct 27, 2008 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Two commercial concepts I will not miss at all when this is over …
1. Drinkability
2. The Poltergeist/National Lampoon’s Vacation HD ads.
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In Cliff we trust.
So, the faster we get this World Series over with, the sooner Cliff gets his Cy Young, right?
Don't be stupid. PUT IN MELOAN.
From the BBWAA website:
2008 Awards
AL Rookie of the Year: Nov. 10
NL Rookie of the Year: Nov. 10
NL Cy Young Award: Nov. 11
AL Manager of the Year: Nov. 12
NL Manager of the Year: Nov. 12
Cliff Lee gets AL Cy Young Award: Nov. 13
NL Most Valuable Player: Nov. 17
AL Most Valuable Player: Nov. 18
Ok fine, I’ll do it:
1. Longoria
2. Soto
3. TImmmaaaaaah
4. Maddon
5. The Marlins guy.
6. As you said
7. Poopooholes
8. Please be Quentin…
Don't be stupid. PUT IN MELOAN.
Wait, why do you want it to be Quentin?
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Oct 27, 2008 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
So it’s not you-know-who
Don't be stupid. PUT IN MELOAN.
by gte619n on Oct 27, 2008 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sure, but why not Grady?
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Oct 27, 2008 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, it’s not gonna be Grady, but nobody whose name begins with the initials for performance enhancing doofus. But why not K-Rod as consolation for not winning the Cy?
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Oct 27, 2008 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Because that would be godawful
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Oct 27, 2008 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Not worse than that little twerp winning.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Oct 27, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, my rational hatred for Pedroia outweighs everything.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Oct 27, 2008 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
You have to at least admit that he’s had a very good season. He would be much, much more deserving of the MVP than K-Rod.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 27, 2008 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I’m afraid this just isn’t about the merits for me.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Oct 27, 2008 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Oct 27, 2008 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
K-Rod would probably be the least deserving MVP in the history of the award.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 27, 2008 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
Anti-Ben Fran before it was cool.
by Gradyforpresident on Oct 28, 2008 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
He said don’t answer. But the answer is yes, most obviously because of the age difference.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Oct 28, 2008 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I step the plate and what do I see
Big Philly Cheesteak starin’ down me
Tender grilled steak melted cheese high
Sayin’ Slugger, give it a ride
dig in my cleats, give it a bite
Oh the flavor soars outta site
Big philly flavor puts burgers to shame
Outta be enshrined in the mmmmmm! hall of fame
Don't be stupid. PUT IN MELOAN.
by gte619n on Oct 27, 2008 9:19 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yes. But once they start a game, they won’t call it. They will wait out the rain, no matter what.
This is now an official game. No way the Phillies are awarded WS championship on called game.
I was just wondering that. It would suck to end the WS with an official came called after 5. Where does that rule come from?
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Oct 27, 2008 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, according to Jay’s account, there is no such rule and this was just done by agreement. Did they announce it publicly before the game or just agree upon it?
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Oct 28, 2008 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
From what I can tell, it wasn’t announced publicly but the meeting occurred before the game.
Selig and a gaggle of officials met before the game to go over what would happen. The meeting included Phillies general manager Pat Gillick, Rays executive vice president Andrew Friedman, the managers of both teams, MLB chief operating officer Bob DuPuy and other top officials from the commissioner’s office.
"Both Andrew and myself, we wanted to make sure that if this game was to be played, we wanted it to play to the conclusion," Gillick said. "I wanted it played fairly, both sides, Tampa Bay and ourselves. We were aware that the commissioner could, even with the score not tied, could continue this game later and call a rain delay until the proper conditions did exist."
Tampa Bay agreed with the decision.
"There was significant discussion before the game and before Saturday’s game about the conditions," Rays president Matt Silverman said, referring to Game 3 whose start was delayed 91 minutes. "The decision was made … the game wouldn’t end without playing the full nine innings."
An interesting detail is that it appears that the players didn’t know.
I wish they’d just announced this and then suspended the game before the fifth when it became totally unplayable out there. Stuff like this is what makes Selig look like an idiot.
http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com -- just in case.
That kid did not look happy to be on television. Jeanie must really smell of something fierce.
by supermarioelia on Oct 27, 2008 10:13 PM EDT reply actions
Formaldehyde, from the looks of her.
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In Cliff we trust.
by vbc3 on Oct 27, 2008 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
These umps are shaaaaaddyyy.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
I’m crackin’ eggs of wisdom here
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Oct 27, 2008 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
What do you think Rosenthal thinks of the rest of this TV crew?
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Oct 27, 2008 10:24 PM EDT reply actions
Are the umps as one-sided as i feel like they are?
¡Free Chan Perry!
by TheVanillaGorilla on Oct 27, 2008 10:29 PM EDT reply actions
Didn’t see that coming. Please stop this. Completely ridiculous.
¡Free Chan Perry!
by TheVanillaGorilla on Oct 27, 2008 10:34 PM EDT reply actions
Wow it looked at first that Upton was foolish for rounding third there. Guess not.
I also love that this came the pitch after McCarver said, “Advantage pitchers.”
Steel Nick
That was some mighty fine stepping by Upton there. Could’ve sworn he was going to wipe out.
by supermarioelia on Oct 27, 2008 10:38 PM EDT reply actions
He looked like Ryan Garko rounding third there. I thought he was gunned for sure.
¡Free Chan Perry!
by TheVanillaGorilla on Oct 27, 2008 10:39 PM EDT reply actions
To add to someone’s commercial list from above: the “saved by zero” Toyota commercial. Makes me cringe just typing it.
¡Free Chan Perry!
by TheVanillaGorilla on Oct 27, 2008 10:40 PM EDT reply actions
OH MY GOD
I was bitching about this in the BRowns game thread yesterday. Makes me want to kill myself.
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Oct 27, 2008 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait… really?
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by Turkmenbashi on Oct 27, 2008 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh, wouldn’t know. I know it’s godawful.
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Oct 27, 2008 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
The original version is by the Fixx (of “One Thing Leads to Another” fame). And now you know!
http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com -- just in case.
See, if DirectTV were smart, they would offer the underwater version of that commercial on their website. I think it’d be worth a visit.
by supermarioelia on Oct 27, 2008 10:41 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yes, let’s keep in mind that when the WS is over, BASEBALL IS OVER until March/April.
It’s also a universal make-up for this:
Steel Nick
Frig, just show us the Obama half-hour special tonight.
/banned
by supermarioelia on Oct 27, 2008 10:47 PM EDT reply actions
Ooh, I vote for “drink the beer!”
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Oct 27, 2008 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
You caught me, I don’t get it
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Oct 27, 2008 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I knew I’d heard it before
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Oct 27, 2008 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Ugh. It is shitttty out there (probably 5 miles northeast of the stadium). Walking home from the bar was awful, I can’t imagine playing baseball in that.
http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com -- just in case.
And not to sound like an insane conspiracy theorist, but I find it very convenient that they only decided to call the game once the Rays tied it up. It’s not like the weather got any worse at any point between the 4th & 6th innings.
http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com -- just in case.
You’re right, because all the calls in these last few games have totally been going the Rays’ way.
Steel Nick
Nah, it’s not a “screw the Phillies thing” it’s a “Bud Selig needs a convenient out because ending the World Series like that would be almost as embarassing as having a tie in the All-Star game.” It just kinda annoys me that by calling the game when they did the umpires were basically admitting that despite the weather making the game unplayable, they would’ve kept going until the Rays tied it or 9 innings were up.
http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com -- just in case.
I dunno, obviously I have a pro-Phillies bias, but the rain wasn’t exactly benefitting anyone baseball-wise. It looked ugly out there.
http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com -- just in case.
ending the World Series like that would be almost as embarassing as having a tie in the All-Star game
Infinitely more embarrassing.
Yeah, I know. Just being a smartass at Bud Selig’s expense.
http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com -- just in case.
Selig’s giving a press conference now, saying game’s suspended (duh). Whee.
http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com -- just in case.
hahahahahahahahah
Anti-Ben Fran before it was cool.
by Gradyforpresident on Oct 28, 2008 12:53 AM EDT reply actions
I don’t think scheduling it for the following afternoon would help at all, seeing as Philly looks like it’s going to be rainy all day.
But maybe those of you in the area could shed some light on the weather (no joke intended). The radar certainly doesn’t seem to suggest that there will be a window this afternoon.
Steel Nick
It’s supposed to be pretty crappy here all day — worse than yesterday, as there’s some pretty gusty winds out there as well, in addition to being rainy & in the 40s. I think I read that it may stop by 7:30 or so, but that doesn’t mean the field will be ready to play on by 8. We shall see I guess.
http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com -- just in case.
It seems like there really isn’t an easy way to finish this.
Except to award the Series to Tampa Bay.
Steel Nick
Where I am sitting right now – about 75 miles NE of Citizens Bank Ballpark – it’s snowing!
I doesn’t look like it will stick, but still, it does not look like baseball weather will be coming this way any time soon.
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.
by Harry Doyle on Oct 28, 2008 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
From Bill Conlin’s column today:
Phillies fan and climatologist extraordinary Joe Bastardi had fired off an angry 6:30 p.m. update to his blog on AccuWeather’s professional site under the headline: “Cancel the Game Tonight.”I love the name Joe Bastardi.Bastardi wrote there was no way in hell or Sea World the rain would let up. Indeed, a rapidly developing coastal storm off the Mid-Atlantic States had slowed the progress of a massive upper low funneling cold air across the Great Lakes. Result: The worst weather fiasco in World Series history and another stain on the boobs who run the cash-obsessed national pastime.
Bastardi’s take: "Cancel the game tonight, and even tomorrow, and then play this when it’s warmer, less windy and there is not precip in the air. It’s the World Series, for goodness sakes . . . "
Tell that to the used-car salesman running baseball and a Fox network paranoid over the prospect of being forced to play a Friday night makeup game, when America is off watching high school football in thousands of towns.
On the one hand I get annoyed when any decision is made so the TV people are happy.
But on the other hand I think this ventures into something similar but arguably more important than the money, and that is interest in the games*. Baseball doesn’t want to lose the casual fan by halting the World Series for 3 days or something, especially if early numbers are showing the casual fan is hard pressed to watch the games as it is.
*Of course the reason MLB ultimately wants people interested in the games is the money that results, but in an overall good-for-the-sport sense this could still hurt.
Steel Nick
The casual fan would probably be more forgiving of a rainout of a baseball game than the slopfest MLB tried to foist on us last night or the three-innings-in-a-mudpit we’re likely to get tonight.
The casual fan likes cage fighting.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Oct 28, 2008 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
The casual fan is pissed that World Series games/highlights are taking up football coverage airtime.
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Oct 28, 2008 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
What’s wrong with cage fighting? (Assuming you are using cage fighting as dismissive shorthand for mixed martial arts.)
by NickFantana on Oct 29, 2008 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Baseball doesn’t want to lose the casual fan by halting the World Series for 3 days or something
Game 6 of the 1975 World Series was rained out three consecutive days. With the travel date, that meant four days passed between games 5 and 6. When finally played, the 6th game was one for the ages and Game 7 drew the largest baseball audience ever.
Well two things went into that.
Game 6 was “one for the ages.”
And baseball was still pretty popular compared to football.
Steel Nick
Oh sure, there are lots of differences. For one thing, 1975 was still the era of three networks and no cable channels.
I guess my point here is that the prolonged delay isn’t, in and of itself, a kiss of death. The Red Sox were nowhere near the hyped team they are today and Cincinnati is one of the smallest television markets in baseball. It was the compelling action on the field that drove the huge audience for the finale that year, despite some factors working against it. If Tampa Bay wins a thriller tonight, all the attention brought about by the weird events could serve to increase interest in the rest of the series.
And Game 7 was played on a Saturday afternoon. In football season.
by woodsmeister on Oct 29, 2008 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Bottom line, MLB needs to stop acting as though their most profitable move is to maximize postseason ratings. The World Series TV contract doesn’t make up that much of the game’s total revenues, and making decisions that undercut long-term growth — like having kids watch — is just penny-wise and pound-foolish.
Game is officially not happening tonight, supposedly will happen tomorrow (of course, there’s a chance it’ll snow here on Wednesday — Thursday’s forecast looks nice though).
http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com -- just in case.
This is starting to feel like that time we got a Pronksmash (his last true one?) in Milwaukee.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
awesome – so they wouldn’t be able to play it here either, and would be forced to go to Tampa.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
But it’s less drinkable than rain.
by woodsmeister on Oct 29, 2008 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Anyone else skeptical of not having Price start the game, even with the P spot coming up 4th in this (half) game?
by millionairesrow on Oct 29, 2008 8:58 PM EDT reply actions
Just got home – should Iwamura’s mishap have been an error?
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
tough play, but he was in position ot make the catch
by millionairesrow on Oct 29, 2008 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
tough play, but he got the glove (and some of his chest) on the ball, so I’d say E-4
by JulioBernazard on Oct 29, 2008 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Since when are tags on the bodies of players in full view of umps called outs?
by JulioBernazard on Oct 29, 2008 9:10 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Just checked out the Rays SBN site, DRaysBall. (What in the world is the D for?)
Here’s the entire lead paragraph for the game thread:
Serious: Lay off the homosexual slurs in the threads.
Also, foul language in game threads apparently isn’t permitted, it’s required.
I don’t particularly understand why they want to leave Howell in there so badly that they’re willing to give up his out either, with a righty/switch/righty coming up.
DISCLAIMER: I may be bitter.
so do you think that was a heads up play by Utley? It looked to me at first glance that he sort of got hand-cuffed by the grounder, and only looked home as a second thought but just happened to see Bartlett (inexplicably) going home.
He got handcuffed by it, definitely. He wasn’t going to first at all on the play, looked like he was surprised when he ate the ball & looked up to see Bartlett rounding third. Could that have just been Bartlett assuming Utley was going to throw to first & end the inning so might as well go all the way with two outs?
DISCLAIMER: I may be bitter.
I don’t think, in this situation, you encourage Burrell to go for the extra base. He is the slowest base-runner I think i have ever seen.
Holy shit, that was a nice play by Iwamura. He got WAAAAY over there behind 2B to stab that thing.
DISCLAIMER: I may be bitter.
See, now I think that Manuel did the right move there letting Romero hit. 2 outs already, only a guy on first, why not keep the lefty alive instead of having to go to the bullpen again?
DISCLAIMER: I may be bitter.
yea… Mddon does it with a righty batter coming up. stupid.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
I really want to see if Upton was busting it out of the box on that one or not.
DISCLAIMER: I may be bitter.
this is going to be strange…i’m really expecting like 7 more innings. when this ends i’m going to feel like i’ve been cheated.
Maybe Cleveland needs to find some object to blame things on. A goat and William Penn are taken already, though.
DISCLAIMER: I may be bitter.
Curse of the Burning River?
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Oct 29, 2008 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
so we need to drain out the river and then hope for a flood of biblical proportion, and then we can win a championship?
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
Or, I dunno, clean it?
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Oct 29, 2008 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
that might be more plausible.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
Well, it’s cleaner than it was… right?
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Oct 29, 2008 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
Anti-Ben Fran before it was cool.
by Gradyforpresident on Oct 30, 2008 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
not as cool as that HR off Canseco’s head at Municipal
by millionairesrow on Oct 29, 2008 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
any chance the crowd rushes the field if they can close this out?
by millionairesrow on Oct 29, 2008 9:57 PM EDT reply actions
I am here just to gloat to the 58% of you who are TOTAL LOSERS!!!!!
by Jay on Oct 29, 2008 9:58 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
is it in the garage?
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
oh, sorry… was it burned down 10 minutes ago?
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Oct 29, 2008 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
..and Chris Meyers is dry enough to suck all the excitement of a championship celebration
by millionairesrow on Oct 29, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I am conflicted in that way. I’m smiling, but not ecstatic. Happy to live in this town, but it is definitely bittersweet. We should have had ours by now.
On the other hand, Philly gave me my first experience with a pennant-winning team, way back in 1993, and we won our first pennant in 40 years the very next (complete) season. If it turns out that I get to “preview” a championship a year or two ahead of time in the same way, that’ll be a great result.
Fireworks going off outside … either that or cars exploding.
Or the British are taking advantage of the drunkenness and launching their retaliation for the Revolution
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Oct 29, 2008 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
why the Swedes
Anti-Ben Fran before it was cool.
by Gradyforpresident on Oct 30, 2008 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Philly has won titles in the not too distant past. The sixers won in 1983, Phils won in 1980, Flyers won in 1974 and 1975. Most people who are Philadelphia fans have seen a few championships in their lifetime. Same can’t be said about Cleveland fans.
Well yeah, but the total amount of championships is still significantly low for a city that size and 25 years of four title-less sports is nothing to sneeze at. I mean, Philly fans of my generation has seen 0 championships. The same can’t be said for Chicago or pre-2004 Boston.
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Oct 29, 2008 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Now there’s and idea…
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Oct 30, 2008 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
The probability of this occurring randomly is the subject of today’s episode of this comic.
by Logodaedalus on Oct 30, 2008 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
The three true outcomes of any sports season:
1. Perennial winner captures yet another championship, while Cleveland fans wait for next year.
2. Long-suffering fans celebrate championship, while longer-suffering Cleveland fans wait for next year.
3. Yet another expansion team wins a championship, while Cleveland fans wait for next year.
by SuddenSam on Oct 30, 2008 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hell. yes.
Anti-Ben Fran before it was cool.
by Gradyforpresident on Oct 30, 2008 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
i don’t want to suffer through the asinine decisions he made in this series (obviously Tampa won’t be firing him anytime soon, either)
Ah, gotcha. Well, I mean at least he stuck to his guns… I guess.
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Oct 29, 2008 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Charlie bounced back fine from his dumping by Shapiro
Wedge is 24 years younger than Charlie but he only has 5 years to go get to 45
(the age at which Francona won his first WS)
Is there some kind of direct competition between Wedge and Francona?
Charlie was not dumped by Shapiro, although he might have been. Charlie essentially resigned.
Charlie just said (in the press conference) to tell the people in Cleveland that he won the World Series.
Well, those quotes sure make him sound a little bitter.
BTW, I believe Hoynes is wrong. I believe the Giants, not the Phils, had (and still have) the 3rd longest WS drought (the last time the Giants won they upset set some AL team with a boatload of wins, there was some kind of good fielding play involved, etc.).
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Oct 30, 2008 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
It makes him seem especially bitter if that phrase is one of the first out of his mouth on the night that he wins his first Series title, for a championship-hungry (note that I didn’t stay “-starved”) town.
by JulioBernazard on Oct 30, 2008 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
While I continue to feel that people here would have been sick at seeing an expansion team win.
I don’t begrudge Charlie his moment in the slightest. I’m happy for him. I don’t blame Shapiro for letting him go (not committing to him), but I can’t say that it worked out all that great for us, either. At his age, he had every reason to expect that he wouldn’t get another opportunity, and that he was being screwed out of his current opportunity for basically no reason.
Umm, except for the first few teams, aren’t all MLB teams ‘expansion teams’?
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
No. There is something known as as the “expansion era.” Look it up.
by Jay on Nov 1, 2008 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Seriously? I do find the fact pretty amazing.
by JulioBernazard on Oct 30, 2008 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Are you calling me savory, since I showed up when the salt came out?
I’m thinking of buying NBA League pass. What’s wrong with me?
A ton if you’d pay to watch basketball.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
Is that 10 minutes of TV time? Because if it is, then you’ll only get the last 45 seconds of the game.
DISCLAIMER: I may be bitter.
by zempf on Oct 29, 2008 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Well, still really all you need.
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Oct 30, 2008 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
The college game has deteriorated badly lately, and the NBA has some amazing young stars (LBJ, Dwayne Wade, Chris Paul, Brandon Roy, etc.). The gap is closing.
Will be interested to see college with the (slightly) backed-up 3-pt line.
by JulioBernazard on Oct 30, 2008 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
This may just be me, but the NBA is the only sporting league that I can watch a game of two teams I have absolutely no fan interest in, and legitimately enjoy it the whole way through.
Anti-Ben Fran before it was cool.
by Gradyforpresident on Oct 30, 2008 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s just you
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Oct 30, 2008 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
who honestly could watch pirates-rockies
Anti-Ben Fran before it was cool.
by Gradyforpresident on Oct 31, 2008 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Bobcats-Bucks?
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Oct 31, 2008 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions
i could do it
Anti-Ben Fran before it was cool.
by Gradyforpresident on Oct 31, 2008 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
BtW, League Pass is free until Nov 11.
by JulioBernazard on Oct 30, 2008 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll give you this half-drank cup of coffee for your left shoe.
by NickFantana on Oct 30, 2008 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
so, uh, we should have traded for brad lidge, huh
Anti-Ben Fran before it was cool.
by Gradyforpresident on Oct 30, 2008 2:00 PM EDT reply actions
Buy low. Win WS.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Oct 31, 2008 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
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