Game Thread: World Series Game Five
Tampa Bay Rays @ Philadelphia Phillies
Cole Hamels goes for the coronation.
UPDATE: For the first time in history, a World Series game has been suspended. Officials essentially scheduled a 22-hour rain delay once the top of the 6th inning was completed. Despite the possible need to travel back to Florida on Wednesday and a high probability of more crappy weather tomorrow night, MLB's quixotic pursuit for tiny national ratings boosts will keep the game from resuming at any point during the afternoon, as any sane person would schedule it.
Interestingly, commissioner Selig met with officials of both teams before the game and got them to agree with his decision that regardless of the situation, the game would not go final without playing all nine innings. Under normal rules, had the Rays failed to tie the score in the top of the 6th, then the game would not have been suspended due to rain, it would have been declared finished, with the Phillies winning both the game and the championship on a rain-shorted 5.5-inning game. It's hard to imagine someone taking issue with Selig's stand on this, but the question remains, if the postseason should be treated differently in this regard, then why don't the rules already reflect that?
Cole Hamels' bid to become the only pitcher ever to have a 5-0 postseason is a likely casualty of the rain delay. The score is tied now, and his outing is over of course. If the Phillies re-take the lead in the bottom of the sixth, and hold it through the ninth, then he'll get his fifth win, even though he'll be lifted for a pinch-hitter as soon as play resumes.
FURTHER UPDATE: The rain delay has been stretched to 46 hours; the game is now scheduled to resume tomorrow night (Wednesday) rather than tonight (Tuesday). That will also make this the longest Game Thread ever.
FINAL UPDATE: The Phillies win. We don't. I mean, they're about as good of a team to win it as you could ask for, since it's not going to be us, and for all kinds of different reasons. Still, another relatively "starved" town dances in the streets — outside my windows — while we wait another year.
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#6 At the end of Lost in Translation, Scarlett Johansson whispers to Bill Murray, "I love Cole Hamels.
#9 If Cole Hamels faced the Rays in the World Series three years earlier, Steve Irwin would still be alive."
by APV on
Oct 27, 2008 8:47 PM EDT
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Oh, too soon
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on
Oct 27, 2008 10:27 PM EDT
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I think Charlie Manuel might be faster than Burrell
by APV on
Oct 27, 2008 8:51 PM EDT
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This is looking rather ominous for those of us wanting a Game 7.
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by vbc3 on
Oct 27, 2008 8:53 PM EDT
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HEY-O!!!
Don't be stupid. PUT IN MELOAN.
by gte619n on
Oct 27, 2008 8:54 PM EDT
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What happened to Kazmir?
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by gte619n on
Oct 27, 2008 8:53 PM EDT
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Hell, what happened to EVERYONE.
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by vbc3 on
Oct 27, 2008 8:54 PM EDT
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that was strange. i had flashes of lofton sliding headfirst into 1B there…
by APV on
Oct 27, 2008 8:55 PM EDT
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At this rate, Hamels is going to pitch a complete game on, like, 70 pitches.
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by vbc3 on
Oct 27, 2008 8:56 PM EDT
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Tim McCarver is f-ing unbearable.
Oh wait, game thread…. TIM MCCARVER IS FUCKING UNBEARABLE.
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by gte619n on
Oct 27, 2008 8:56 PM EDT
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According to the New York Times, the regular announcer rotation on WPHT will be altered to allow Harry Kalas to call the ninth. He usually does only the middle three innings. MLB did not permit local broadcasts in 1980, so Harry has never called a Phillies championship.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/28/sports/baseball/28why.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
by SuddenSam on
Oct 27, 2008 8:57 PM EDT
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I guess that’s kind of nice.
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by gte619n on
Oct 27, 2008 8:57 PM EDT
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The best three innings of the Tigers – Cards WS were the ones that FOX let Paul Carey call.
by fleerdon on
Oct 27, 2008 9:00 PM EDT
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Tampa Bay:

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by gte619n on
Oct 27, 2008 8:59 PM EDT
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Two commercial concepts I will not miss at all when this is over …
1. Drinkability
2. The Poltergeist/National Lampoon’s Vacation HD ads.
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by vbc3 on
Oct 27, 2008 9:01 PM EDT
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i have an already stated dislike of the “drinkability” campaign, but they aren’t nearly as bad as those Lampoon’s ones
by APV on
Oct 27, 2008 9:14 PM EDT
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So, the faster we get this World Series over with, the sooner Cliff gets his Cy Young, right?
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by gte619n on
Oct 27, 2008 9:01 PM EDT
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Cliff gets the AL Cy Young award on Nov. 13.
by SuddenSam on
Oct 27, 2008 9:16 PM EDT
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Ah. I will mark it down.
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by gte619n on
Oct 27, 2008 9:16 PM EDT
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From the BBWAA website:
2008 Awards
AL Rookie of the Year: Nov. 10
NL Rookie of the Year: Nov. 10
NL Cy Young Award: Nov. 11
AL Manager of the Year: Nov. 12
NL Manager of the Year: Nov. 12
Cliff Lee gets AL Cy Young Award: Nov. 13
NL Most Valuable Player: Nov. 17
AL Most Valuable Player: Nov. 18
by SuddenSam on
Oct 27, 2008 9:22 PM EDT
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Ok fine, I’ll do it:
1. Longoria
2. Soto
3. TImmmaaaaaah
4. Maddon
5. The Marlins guy.
6. As you said
7. Poopooholes
8. Please be Quentin…
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by gte619n on
Oct 27, 2008 9:32 PM EDT
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Wait, why do you want it to be Quentin?
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by Turkmenbashi on
Oct 27, 2008 9:34 PM EDT
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So it’s not you-know-who
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by gte619n on
Oct 27, 2008 9:36 PM EDT
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Sure, but why not Grady?
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by Turkmenbashi on
Oct 27, 2008 9:44 PM EDT
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Oh, I was just predicting who I thought would win. I think Grady has ~0.01% chance of ACTUALLY winning.
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by gte619n on
Oct 27, 2008 9:46 PM EDT
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Agreed
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by Turkmenbashi on
Oct 27, 2008 9:49 PM EDT
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Right, it’s not gonna be Grady, but nobody whose name begins with the initials for performance enhancing doofus. But why not K-Rod as consolation for not winning the Cy?
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on
Oct 27, 2008 9:59 PM EDT
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Because that would be godawful
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by Turkmenbashi on
Oct 27, 2008 10:02 PM EDT
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Not worse than that little twerp winning.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on
Oct 27, 2008 10:04 PM EDT
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Sorry, my rational hatred for Pedroia outweighs everything.
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by Denver Tribe Fan on
Oct 27, 2008 10:10 PM EDT
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You have to at least admit that he’s had a very good season. He would be much, much more deserving of the MVP than K-Rod.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on
Oct 27, 2008 10:12 PM EDT
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Yeah, I’m afraid this just isn’t about the merits for me.
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by Denver Tribe Fan on
Oct 27, 2008 10:13 PM EDT
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Absolutely
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by Turkmenbashi on
Oct 27, 2008 10:18 PM EDT
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I mean, it’s hard to justify giving the guy the Cy Young when he the THIRD best closer in the league (at best)
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by gte619n on
Oct 27, 2008 10:06 PM EDT
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K-Rod would probably be the least deserving MVP in the history of the award.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on
Oct 27, 2008 10:06 PM EDT
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Braylon would’ve dropped that.
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by gte619n on
Oct 27, 2008 9:10 PM EDT
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That’s exactly how I feel about this baseball game.
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by gte619n on
Oct 27, 2008 9:12 PM EDT
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Cole Hamels is a poor man’s Cliff Lee
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by gte619n on
Oct 27, 2008 9:14 PM EDT
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yes
Anti-Ben Fran before it was cool.
by Gradyforpresident on
Oct 28, 2008 12:47 AM EDT
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He said don’t answer. But the answer is yes, most obviously because of the age difference.
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by Denver Tribe Fan on
Oct 28, 2008 12:09 PM EDT
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Would Barfield be enough to get us Chase Utley?
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by gte619n on
Oct 27, 2008 9:16 PM EDT
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I step the plate and what do I see
Big Philly Cheesteak starin’ down me
Tender grilled steak melted cheese high
Sayin’ Slugger, give it a ride
dig in my cleats, give it a bite
Oh the flavor soars outta site
Big philly flavor puts burgers to shame
Outta be enshrined in the mmmmmm! hall of fame
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by gte619n on
Oct 27, 2008 9:19 PM EDT
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“THE PROFESSIONAL ATHELETE..”
<<crack!>>
“Hi! I’m Ryan Howard for the Subway Big Philly Cheesesteak!”
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by vbc3 on
Oct 27, 2008 9:34 PM EDT
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Tender steak, melted cheese…
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on
Oct 27, 2008 10:46 PM EDT
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Heyo
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by Turkmenbashi on
Oct 27, 2008 9:20 PM EDT
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I kinda hope the Rays can at least take this back to TB
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by Turkmenbashi on
Oct 27, 2008 9:22 PM EDT
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Carlos Pena “sees” Hamels well, evidently.
Also, Jason Werth is pretty awesome.
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by gte619n on
Oct 27, 2008 9:28 PM EDT
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“Sure, Cole Hamels just got poped in the pitching hand by a 94 mph heater, but don’t worry, he had a batting glove on.” – Tim McCarver
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by gte619n on
Oct 27, 2008 9:38 PM EDT
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They’re going to have to postpone this, right? It’s POURING.
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by gte619n on
Oct 27, 2008 9:44 PM EDT
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Do they ever do in-game rain delays of WS games?
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by vbc3 on
Oct 27, 2008 9:51 PM EDT
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Yes. But once they start a game, they won’t call it. They will wait out the rain, no matter what.
This is now an official game. No way the Phillies are awarded WS championship on called game.
by SuddenSam on
Oct 27, 2008 9:59 PM EDT
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insert some indefinite articles in that last sentence
by SuddenSam on
Oct 27, 2008 10:00 PM EDT
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I was just wondering that. It would suck to end the WS with an official came called after 5. Where does that rule come from?
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by Denver Tribe Fan on
Oct 27, 2008 10:01 PM EDT
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Well, according to Jay’s account, there is no such rule and this was just done by agreement. Did they announce it publicly before the game or just agree upon it?
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by Denver Tribe Fan on
Oct 28, 2008 12:11 PM EDT
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From what I can tell, it wasn’t announced publicly but the meeting occurred before the game.
Selig and a gaggle of officials met before the game to go over what would happen. The meeting included Phillies general manager Pat Gillick, Rays executive vice president Andrew Friedman, the managers of both teams, MLB chief operating officer Bob DuPuy and other top officials from the commissioner’s office.
"Both Andrew and myself, we wanted to make sure that if this game was to be played, we wanted it to play to the conclusion," Gillick said. "I wanted it played fairly, both sides, Tampa Bay and ourselves. We were aware that the commissioner could, even with the score not tied, could continue this game later and call a rain delay until the proper conditions did exist."
Tampa Bay agreed with the decision.
"There was significant discussion before the game and before Saturday’s game about the conditions," Rays president Matt Silverman said, referring to Game 3 whose start was delayed 91 minutes. "The decision was made … the game wouldn’t end without playing the full nine innings."
An interesting detail is that it appears that the players didn’t know.
by Jay on
Oct 28, 2008 1:40 PM EDT
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I wish they’d just announced this and then suspended the game before the fifth when it became totally unplayable out there. Stuff like this is what makes Selig look like an idiot.
http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com -- just in case.
by zempf on
Oct 28, 2008 1:48 PM EDT
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Braylon!
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by gte619n on
Oct 27, 2008 9:54 PM EDT
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OK, I’m gonna start drinking
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by Turkmenbashi on
Oct 27, 2008 9:54 PM EDT
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Ooh, phantom tag by Chutney?
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by Turkmenbashi on
Oct 27, 2008 9:55 PM EDT
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Kazmir kinda got screwed there.
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by gte619n on
Oct 27, 2008 10:07 PM EDT
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This looks gross.
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by gte619n on
Oct 27, 2008 10:11 PM EDT
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That kid did not look happy to be on television. Jeanie must really smell of something fierce.
by supermarioelia on
Oct 27, 2008 10:13 PM EDT
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Formaldehyde, from the looks of her.
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by vbc3 on
Oct 27, 2008 10:22 PM EDT
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Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on
Oct 27, 2008 10:47 PM EDT
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These umps are shaaaaaddyyy.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on
Oct 27, 2008 10:13 PM EDT
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I’m crackin’ eggs of wisdom here
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by Turkmenbashi on
Oct 27, 2008 10:19 PM EDT
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No way Tschida thought that far ahead.
by supermarioelia on
Oct 27, 2008 10:18 PM EDT
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Wow, this whether sucks. Perfectly poetic for a Phillies series victory.
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by Turkmenbashi on
Oct 27, 2008 10:19 PM EDT
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This weather leads me to believe that Philly is a hellhole
by Roger Dorn on
Oct 27, 2008 10:21 PM EDT
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What do you think Rosenthal thinks of the rest of this TV crew?
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by Denver Tribe Fan on
Oct 27, 2008 10:24 PM EDT
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Not-so-thinly veiled stab at Philly fans by complimenting Philly cops.
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by Turkmenbashi on
Oct 27, 2008 10:27 PM EDT
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Are the umps as one-sided as i feel like they are?
¡Free Chan Perry!
by TheVanillaGorilla on
Oct 27, 2008 10:29 PM EDT
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Boy with this freezing rain, those players must be chilled to their bones. Bones, hey, that’s a good show on Fox.
/postgame interview douche.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Oct 27, 2008 10:31 PM EDT
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So anybody in Cleveland ride the HealthLine yet?
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by Turkmenbashi on
Oct 27, 2008 10:31 PM EDT
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they need to suspend this…this is not good baseball
by APV on
Oct 27, 2008 10:32 PM EDT
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This is ridiculous
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by Turkmenbashi on
Oct 27, 2008 10:34 PM EDT
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Didn’t see that coming. Please stop this. Completely ridiculous.
¡Free Chan Perry!
by TheVanillaGorilla on
Oct 27, 2008 10:34 PM EDT
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it can be suspended, right? pick it up tomorrow? not ideal, but this is absurd
by APV on
Oct 27, 2008 10:35 PM EDT
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If TB scores a run here, ad the Phillies don’t, MLB could get off the hook.
by SuddenSam on
Oct 27, 2008 10:37 PM EDT
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I think if Pena hits a home run here, the only person who won’t blame the rain is Cole Hamels.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Oct 27, 2008 10:35 PM EDT
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Golly.
This is not May Baseball.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Oct 27, 2008 10:36 PM EDT
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Dude, the rain is giving Cole a real old-tyme movie look
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by Turkmenbashi on
Oct 27, 2008 10:37 PM EDT
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WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Pena thinks Cole Hamels is a bitch.
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by gte619n on
Oct 27, 2008 10:37 PM EDT
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Wow it looked at first that Upton was foolish for rounding third there. Guess not.
I also love that this came the pitch after McCarver said, “Advantage pitchers.”
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Oct 27, 2008 10:38 PM EDT
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Same here, I said “oh, he’s dead” as he made the turn. Nice speed.
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by vbc3 on
Oct 27, 2008 10:41 PM EDT
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same.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on
Oct 27, 2008 10:49 PM EDT
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That was pretty good throw by Burrell, given the conditions.
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by gte619n on
Oct 27, 2008 10:38 PM EDT
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that ball died on its first bounce in the “infield”
by APV on
Oct 27, 2008 10:39 PM EDT
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That was some mighty fine stepping by Upton there. Could’ve sworn he was going to wipe out.
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Oct 27, 2008 10:38 PM EDT
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Agreed… he looked like the guy without ice skates on a the rink.
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by gte619n on
Oct 27, 2008 10:39 PM EDT
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He looked like Ryan Garko rounding third there. I thought he was gunned for sure.
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by TheVanillaGorilla on
Oct 27, 2008 10:39 PM EDT
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To add to someone’s commercial list from above: the “saved by zero” Toyota commercial. Makes me cringe just typing it.
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by TheVanillaGorilla on
Oct 27, 2008 10:40 PM EDT
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OH MY GOD
I was bitching about this in the BRowns game thread yesterday. Makes me want to kill myself.
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by Turkmenbashi on
Oct 27, 2008 10:44 PM EDT
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agreed….that’s Toad the Wet Sprocket, yeah?
by APV on
Oct 27, 2008 10:45 PM EDT
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Wait… really?
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by Turkmenbashi on
Oct 27, 2008 10:51 PM EDT
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I don’t know if it actually is, but if it’s not it sure sounds like a dead ringer
by APV on
Oct 27, 2008 11:21 PM EDT
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Eh, wouldn’t know. I know it’s godawful.
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by Turkmenbashi on
Oct 27, 2008 11:26 PM EDT
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The original version is by the Fixx (of “One Thing Leads to Another” fame). And now you know!
http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com -- just in case.
by zempf on
Oct 27, 2008 11:28 PM EDT
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See, if DirectTV were smart, they would offer the underwater version of that commercial on their website. I think it’d be worth a visit.
by supermarioelia on
Oct 27, 2008 10:41 PM EDT
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Tarp time. That run could not have come at a better instance.
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by vbc3 on
Oct 27, 2008 10:43 PM EDT
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I would say this was a good break for the Rays.
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by gte619n on
Oct 27, 2008 10:44 PM EDT
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McCarver has to blame someone.
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by gte619n on
Oct 27, 2008 10:44 PM EDT
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Jay, let me just point out that God doesn’t want the Phillies to win.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Oct 27, 2008 10:45 PM EDT
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At least not in 5.
I’m with God on this.
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by vbc3 on
Oct 27, 2008 10:47 PM EDT
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Yes, let’s keep in mind that when the WS is over, BASEBALL IS OVER until March/April.
It’s also a universal make-up for this:

Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Oct 27, 2008 10:49 PM EDT
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and the non-balk call… and the strike zone in game 4… and the strike zone tonight.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on
Oct 27, 2008 10:50 PM EDT
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Frig, just show us the Obama half-hour special tonight.
/banned
by supermarioelia on
Oct 27, 2008 10:47 PM EDT
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I’m sure we could find a non-politically-leaning drinking game to play along with.
Steel Nick
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Oct 27, 2008 10:48 PM EDT
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Ooh, I vote for “drink the beer!”
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by Turkmenbashi on
Oct 27, 2008 10:52 PM EDT
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“Hey man, your clock won’t flush!”
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Oct 27, 2008 10:55 PM EDT
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You caught me, I don’t get it
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by Turkmenbashi on
Oct 27, 2008 11:01 PM EDT
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Family Guy joke. In the scene they reference playing “drink the beer.”
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Oct 27, 2008 11:04 PM EDT
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I knew I’d heard it before
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by Turkmenbashi on
Oct 27, 2008 11:08 PM EDT
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The film was redistributed.
/ducks!
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by gte619n on
Oct 27, 2008 10:49 PM EDT
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Someone on TV just said the words “lake effect snow.”
I need a drink.
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Oct 27, 2008 10:52 PM EDT
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pretty sure i heard that from the other room as well.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on
Oct 27, 2008 10:58 PM EDT
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Alright, I’m out guys. Have a good night.
Don't be stupid. PUT IN MELOAN.
by gte619n on
Oct 27, 2008 10:56 PM EDT
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Ugh. It is shitttty out there (probably 5 miles northeast of the stadium). Walking home from the bar was awful, I can’t imagine playing baseball in that.
http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com -- just in case.
by zempf on
Oct 27, 2008 10:59 PM EDT
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OMG WHO WATCHES HOUSE OF PAYNE?!
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on
Oct 27, 2008 11:03 PM EDT
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And not to sound like an insane conspiracy theorist, but I find it very convenient that they only decided to call the game once the Rays tied it up. It’s not like the weather got any worse at any point between the 4th & 6th innings.
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by zempf on
Oct 27, 2008 11:06 PM EDT
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You’re right, because all the calls in these last few games have totally been going the Rays’ way.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Oct 27, 2008 11:10 PM EDT
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I don’t think you’d have to be pro-TB to prefer suspending a tie game to calling it and, essentially, voting the Phillies a championship.
by SuddenSam on
Oct 27, 2008 11:14 PM EDT
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Nah, it’s not a “screw the Phillies thing” it’s a “Bud Selig needs a convenient out because ending the World Series like that would be almost as embarassing as having a tie in the All-Star game.” It just kinda annoys me that by calling the game when they did the umpires were basically admitting that despite the weather making the game unplayable, they would’ve kept going until the Rays tied it or 9 innings were up.
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by zempf on
Oct 27, 2008 11:17 PM EDT
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I dunno, obviously I have a pro-Phillies bias, but the rain wasn’t exactly benefitting anyone baseball-wise. It looked ugly out there.
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by zempf on
Oct 27, 2008 11:19 PM EDT
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ending the World Series like that would be almost as embarassing as having a tie in the All-Star game
Infinitely more embarrassing.
by SuddenSam on
Oct 27, 2008 11:19 PM EDT
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Yeah, I know. Just being a smartass at Bud Selig’s expense.
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by zempf on
Oct 27, 2008 11:21 PM EDT
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Oh, sorry. I don’t ever want to step on a dig at Bud.
by SuddenSam on
Oct 27, 2008 11:24 PM EDT
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i was going to correct that as well.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on
Oct 27, 2008 11:21 PM EDT
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Selig’s giving a press conference now, saying game’s suspended (duh). Whee.
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by zempf on
Oct 27, 2008 11:20 PM EDT
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hahahahahahahahah
Anti-Ben Fran before it was cool.
by Gradyforpresident on
Oct 28, 2008 12:53 AM EDT
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I don’t think scheduling it for the following afternoon would help at all, seeing as Philly looks like it’s going to be rainy all day.
But maybe those of you in the area could shed some light on the weather (no joke intended). The radar certainly doesn’t seem to suggest that there will be a window this afternoon.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Oct 28, 2008 9:33 AM EDT
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It’s supposed to be pretty crappy here all day — worse than yesterday, as there’s some pretty gusty winds out there as well, in addition to being rainy & in the 40s. I think I read that it may stop by 7:30 or so, but that doesn’t mean the field will be ready to play on by 8. We shall see I guess.
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Oct 28, 2008 9:39 AM EDT
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It seems like there really isn’t an easy way to finish this.
Except to award the Series to Tampa Bay.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Oct 28, 2008 9:56 AM EDT
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make the Phillies forfeit due to an unplayable field. I like it.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on
Oct 28, 2008 1:48 PM EDT
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Where I am sitting right now – about 75 miles NE of Citizens Bank Ballpark – it’s snowing!
I doesn’t look like it will stick, but still, it does not look like baseball weather will be coming this way any time soon.
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.
by Harry Doyle on
Oct 28, 2008 11:55 AM EDT
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From Bill Conlin’s column today:
Phillies fan and climatologist extraordinary Joe Bastardi had fired off an angry 6:30 p.m. update to his blog on AccuWeather’s professional site under the headline: “Cancel the Game Tonight.”I love the name Joe Bastardi.Bastardi wrote there was no way in hell or Sea World the rain would let up. Indeed, a rapidly developing coastal storm off the Mid-Atlantic States had slowed the progress of a massive upper low funneling cold air across the Great Lakes. Result: The worst weather fiasco in World Series history and another stain on the boobs who run the cash-obsessed national pastime.
Bastardi’s take: "Cancel the game tonight, and even tomorrow, and then play this when it’s warmer, less windy and there is not precip in the air. It’s the World Series, for goodness sakes . . . "
Tell that to the used-car salesman running baseball and a Fox network paranoid over the prospect of being forced to play a Friday night makeup game, when America is off watching high school football in thousands of towns.
by FredOx on
Oct 28, 2008 10:17 AM EDT
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On the one hand I get annoyed when any decision is made so the TV people are happy.
But on the other hand I think this ventures into something similar but arguably more important than the money, and that is interest in the games*. Baseball doesn’t want to lose the casual fan by halting the World Series for 3 days or something, especially if early numbers are showing the casual fan is hard pressed to watch the games as it is.
*Of course the reason MLB ultimately wants people interested in the games is the money that results, but in an overall good-for-the-sport sense this could still hurt.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Oct 28, 2008 11:17 AM EDT
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The casual fan would probably be more forgiving of a rainout of a baseball game than the slopfest MLB tried to foist on us last night or the three-innings-in-a-mudpit we’re likely to get tonight.
by FredOx on
Oct 28, 2008 12:07 PM EDT
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The casual fan likes cage fighting.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on
Oct 28, 2008 12:10 PM EDT
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The casual fan is pissed that World Series games/highlights are taking up football coverage airtime.
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on
Oct 28, 2008 2:38 PM EDT
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What’s wrong with cage fighting? (Assuming you are using cage fighting as dismissive shorthand for mixed martial arts.)
by NickFantana on
Oct 29, 2008 10:12 AM EDT
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Baseball doesn’t want to lose the casual fan by halting the World Series for 3 days or something
Game 6 of the 1975 World Series was rained out three consecutive days. With the travel date, that meant four days passed between games 5 and 6. When finally played, the 6th game was one for the ages and Game 7 drew the largest baseball audience ever.
by SuddenSam on
Oct 28, 2008 9:41 PM EDT
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Well two things went into that.
Game 6 was “one for the ages.”
And baseball was still pretty popular compared to football.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Oct 28, 2008 10:07 PM EDT
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Oh sure, there are lots of differences. For one thing, 1975 was still the era of three networks and no cable channels.
I guess my point here is that the prolonged delay isn’t, in and of itself, a kiss of death. The Red Sox were nowhere near the hyped team they are today and Cincinnati is one of the smallest television markets in baseball. It was the compelling action on the field that drove the huge audience for the finale that year, despite some factors working against it. If Tampa Bay wins a thriller tonight, all the attention brought about by the weird events could serve to increase interest in the rest of the series.
by SuddenSam on
Oct 29, 2008 2:16 PM EDT
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And Game 7 was played on a Saturday afternoon. In football season.
by woodsmeister on
Oct 29, 2008 3:29 PM EDT
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Bottom line, MLB needs to stop acting as though their most profitable move is to maximize postseason ratings. The World Series TV contract doesn’t make up that much of the game’s total revenues, and making decisions that undercut long-term growth — like having kids watch — is just penny-wise and pound-foolish.
by Jay on
Oct 29, 2008 4:27 PM EDT
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No, Game 7 in 1975 was played on a Thursday night.
by SuddenSam on
Oct 29, 2008 5:14 PM EDT
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heh, I thought it was a pen name.
proverbial "moron in a hurry"
by 94neverout on
Oct 29, 2008 8:47 AM EDT
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Game is officially not happening tonight, supposedly will happen tomorrow (of course, there’s a chance it’ll snow here on Wednesday — Thursday’s forecast looks nice though).
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by zempf on
Oct 28, 2008 1:27 PM EDT
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This is starting to feel like that time we got a Pronksmash (his last true one?) in Milwaukee.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on
Oct 28, 2008 1:59 PM EDT
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Hey, we should offer to host the Phillies home games.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Oct 28, 2008 4:44 PM EDT
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awesome – so they wouldn’t be able to play it here either, and would be forced to go to Tampa.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on
Oct 28, 2008 4:55 PM EDT
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It’s not raining at this moment. If they hurry they could get here by 7.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Oct 28, 2008 4:58 PM EDT
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And grit.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on
Oct 29, 2008 1:12 AM EDT
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But it’s less drinkable than rain.
by woodsmeister on
Oct 29, 2008 3:30 PM EDT
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but more drinkable than Bud Light
by Logodaedalus on
Oct 29, 2008 7:25 PM EDT
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rec for the subliminalness.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on
Oct 29, 2008 9:09 PM EDT
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with that run in the top of the inning, Tampa’s really got the momentum on their side
by APV on
Oct 29, 2008 8:31 PM EDT
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Yeah, Hamels is out of gas. I think they should pinch hit for him here.
by SuddenSam on
Oct 29, 2008 8:35 PM EDT
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McCarver’s pre-game dump must’ve run a little long.
by JulioBernazard on
Oct 29, 2008 8:34 PM EDT
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the crowd seems a little more excited, a little less testicle meet gall bladder, tonight
by APV on
Oct 29, 2008 8:43 PM EDT
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Aki has been a defensive disaster this Series
by JulioBernazard on
Oct 29, 2008 8:46 PM EDT
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which I find surprising. I’d been impressed by his defense in the post-season thus far.
by APV on
Oct 29, 2008 8:48 PM EDT
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that was not a good way to start the game for Tampa….
by APV on
Oct 29, 2008 8:48 PM EDT
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Anyone else skeptical of not having Price start the game, even with the P spot coming up 4th in this (half) game?
by millionairesrow on
Oct 29, 2008 8:58 PM EDT
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hard not to admire Baldelli when he does something like that
by APV on
Oct 29, 2008 9:00 PM EDT
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Nice job by Baldelli to shut up Joe Buck in mid-sentence.
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Oct 29, 2008 9:00 PM EDT
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Even Joe Buck seems impressed Baldelli shut him up mid-sentence
by APV on
Oct 29, 2008 9:01 PM EDT
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Just got home – should Iwamura’s mishap have been an error?
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on
Oct 29, 2008 9:05 PM EDT
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tough play, but he was in position ot make the catch
by millionairesrow on
Oct 29, 2008 9:08 PM EDT
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tough play, but he got the glove (and some of his chest) on the ball, so I’d say E-4
by JulioBernazard on
Oct 29, 2008 9:08 PM EDT
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No kidding, who tries to go home from second on a grounder to the second baseman?
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by zempf on
Oct 29, 2008 9:07 PM EDT
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SKINNER SENDS HIM
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on
Oct 29, 2008 9:07 PM EDT
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Since when are tags on the bodies of players in full view of umps called outs?
by JulioBernazard on
Oct 29, 2008 9:10 PM EDT
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Just checked out the Rays SBN site, DRaysBall. (What in the world is the D for?)
Here’s the entire lead paragraph for the game thread:
Serious: Lay off the homosexual slurs in the threads.
Also, foul language in game threads apparently isn’t permitted, it’s required.
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Oct 29, 2008 9:11 PM EDT
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I don’t particularly understand why they want to leave Howell in there so badly that they’re willing to give up his out either, with a righty/switch/righty coming up.
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by zempf on
Oct 29, 2008 9:11 PM EDT
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And Burrell makes me look smart.
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by zempf on
Oct 29, 2008 9:11 PM EDT
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what you said.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on
Oct 29, 2008 9:14 PM EDT
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so do you think that was a heads up play by Utley? It looked to me at first glance that he sort of got hand-cuffed by the grounder, and only looked home as a second thought but just happened to see Bartlett (inexplicably) going home.
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Oct 29, 2008 9:12 PM EDT
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He got handcuffed by it, definitely. He wasn’t going to first at all on the play, looked like he was surprised when he ate the ball & looked up to see Bartlett rounding third. Could that have just been Bartlett assuming Utley was going to throw to first & end the inning so might as well go all the way with two outs?
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by zempf on
Oct 29, 2008 9:14 PM EDT
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maddon’s intellect is way overrated. He leaves Howell in to hit because he likes the Burrell matchup so much… then when he gives up a doubhle (typo, but it works) he yanks him.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on
Oct 29, 2008 9:13 PM EDT
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Maddon has been thoroughly unimpressive in this series
by APV on
Oct 29, 2008 9:14 PM EDT
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I don’t think, in this situation, you encourage Burrell to go for the extra base. He is the slowest base-runner I think i have ever seen.
by APV on
Oct 29, 2008 9:15 PM EDT
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give Burrell a few years (and give him a little deficit for not having been a catcher)
by APV on
Oct 29, 2008 9:17 PM EDT
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His stride cracks me up because he’s just loping along out there. He LOOKS like he should be going fast, and yet..
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by zempf on
Oct 29, 2008 9:19 PM EDT
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yea, once he blew the game.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on
Oct 29, 2008 9:24 PM EDT
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correction: and the other day’s game.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on
Oct 29, 2008 9:24 PM EDT
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Holy shit, that was a nice play by Iwamura. He got WAAAAY over there behind 2B to stab that thing.
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by zempf on
Oct 29, 2008 9:23 PM EDT
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See, now I think that Manuel did the right move there letting Romero hit. 2 outs already, only a guy on first, why not keep the lefty alive instead of having to go to the bullpen again?
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by zempf on
Oct 29, 2008 9:24 PM EDT
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yea… Mddon does it with a righty batter coming up. stupid.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on
Oct 29, 2008 9:25 PM EDT
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Whereas 2 out of the 3 hitters for the Rays are lefties. Plus I think the only other lefty in the Phillies bullpen right now is J.A. “Jay” Happ.
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by zempf on
Oct 29, 2008 9:27 PM EDT
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I almost want Tampa to lose simply so that Maddon’s bizarre decisions can get fully dissected
by APV on
Oct 29, 2008 9:27 PM EDT
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I think he’s a smart-ish guy (maybe it’s the glasses), but I don’t think he’s the managerial genius that everyone’s giving him credit for being.
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by zempf on
Oct 29, 2008 9:28 PM EDT
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Can Elias look up when the last time was that in the same World Series inning both team’s RPs, who go by J.[x]. [Surname] were both allowed to hit?
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Oct 29, 2008 9:29 PM EDT
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I really want to see if Upton was busting it out of the box on that one or not.
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by zempf on
Oct 29, 2008 9:30 PM EDT
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my guess is he got out pretty fast. for a guy who got a lot of plate appearances and puts about half of his balls in play on the ground, he didn’t hit into a lot of DPs this year (13). I think he gets out of the box fast.
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Oct 29, 2008 9:32 PM EDT
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I was wondering that too.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on
Oct 29, 2008 10:00 PM EDT
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this is going to be strange…i’m really expecting like 7 more innings. when this ends i’m going to feel like i’ve been cheated.
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Oct 29, 2008 9:33 PM EDT
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Ditto. This feels so surreal. And while I LIVE in Philly and root for the Phillies, I have to say that this win won’t feel as good for me as it would if it were the Indians. Sigh.
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by zempf on
Oct 29, 2008 9:42 PM EDT
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hopefully you’ve got the bars up on your house and your car off the street
by APV on
Oct 29, 2008 9:45 PM EDT
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Any chance Joe Buck will stop using “night” to describe action that took place two days ago, and start using “game”?
by JulioBernazard on
Oct 29, 2008 9:39 PM EDT
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Why is it necessary to find some sort of cursebreaker for everything? It is maddening
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Oct 29, 2008 9:40 PM EDT
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Maybe Cleveland needs to find some object to blame things on. A goat and William Penn are taken already, though.
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by zempf on
Oct 29, 2008 9:43 PM EDT
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Don’t we blame Art Modell for everything?
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Oct 29, 2008 9:43 PM EDT
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Curse of the Burning River?
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on
Oct 29, 2008 10:08 PM EDT
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so we need to drain out the river and then hope for a flood of biblical proportion, and then we can win a championship?
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on
Oct 29, 2008 10:15 PM EDT
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Or, I dunno, clean it?
Burn on, big river, burn on...
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Oct 29, 2008 10:17 PM EDT
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that might be more plausible.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on
Oct 29, 2008 10:40 PM EDT
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Well, it’s cleaner than it was… right?
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on
Oct 29, 2008 10:42 PM EDT
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yes
Anti-Ben Fran before it was cool.
by Gradyforpresident on
Oct 30, 2008 1:51 PM EDT
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That may have been the coolest home run ever
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Oct 29, 2008 9:50 PM EDT
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certainly one of the more devastating HRs i’ve seen in my life
by APV on
Oct 29, 2008 9:50 PM EDT
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not as cool as that HR off Canseco’s head at Municipal
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Oct 29, 2008 9:51 PM EDT
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When I think, what’s the most soul crushing, psyche scarring HR I have ever seen, that one is head and shoulders #1. If that wall had not been the ball would have entered the atmosphere.
Don't be stupid. PUT IN MELOAN.
by gte619n on
Oct 30, 2008 9:18 AM EDT
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That was a line shot. Fortune shines on the Phils for that to be right at Werth
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Oct 29, 2008 9:56 PM EDT
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any chance the crowd rushes the field if they can close this out?
by millionairesrow on
Oct 29, 2008 9:57 PM EDT
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I would hope Clevelanders would rush the field if the drought were ended
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Oct 29, 2008 9:57 PM EDT
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Queue up the riots, folks
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on
Oct 29, 2008 9:57 PM EDT
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over/under on cars burned in Philadelphia in the next 12 hours?
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Oct 29, 2008 9:58 PM EDT
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over
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on
Oct 29, 2008 9:59 PM EDT
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Right now is when I’m glad I don’t own a car.
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Oct 29, 2008 11:41 PM EDT
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I am here just to gloat to the 58% of you who are TOTAL LOSERS!!!!!
by Jay on
Oct 29, 2008 9:58 PM EDT
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I hope your car isn’t one of the 36 that gets burnt
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