"OK, figure this one out. We can't win in Cleveland. [Shapiro] trades Casey, and he goes off. He trades CC, and he's the best pitcher in baseball in the second half. He trades me, and I do well. You would think the Indians would go down."
Sure enough, the Indians went 44-30 without Sabathia, 36-25 without Blake and 28-17 without Byrd.
"That just proves to you that baseball doesn't make any sense. How is that possible?"
about 1 month ago
Jay
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Paul, are we not perhaps overstating how “well” you did?
by JRontherim on Oct 5, 2008 4:23 PM EDT 0 recs
Casey Blake in Cleveland: .289/.365/.465
Casey Blake in LA: .251/.313/.460
Yes, Casey Blake went off in LA.
by JesseAK on Oct 5, 2008 4:43 PM EDT 0 recs
That just shows that the Indians’ problem was Casey Blake. As soon as he departed, the Tribe took off. Ipso facto.
by odradek on Oct 5, 2008 4:44 PM EDT 1 recs
i believe you are going for “post hoc ergo propter hoc”, i.e. “after of therefore because of”.
by DaytonDogg on
Oct 6, 2008 10:46 AM EDT
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The only Latin phrase you need to remember is “semper ubi sub-ubi.”
“Always where under-where.”
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.
by Harry Doyle on
Oct 6, 2008 11:47 AM EDT
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The ability to say something in Latin doesn’t really constitute an argument.
by Jay on
Oct 6, 2008 1:43 PM EDT
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Rec. I used to use Latin to impress people.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Oct 6, 2008 2:36 PM EDT
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What people are impressed by Latin?
I mean, seriously, if you find that girl, I guess you better marry her.
by Jay on
Oct 7, 2008 12:08 AM EDT
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Most lawyers I know are not impressed by Latin anymore. If you find a priest impressed by Latin, I would advise against marrying him.
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.
by Harry Doyle on
Oct 7, 2008 9:42 AM EDT
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I’ve been a member of the bar since 1994, and I’d be hard pressed to define any latin legal phrase other than res ipsa loquitur. The Plain English movement has long since conquered the legal profession everywhere except real property law.
by FredOx on
Oct 7, 2008 10:46 AM EDT
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True, I would never use Latin phrases to make an argument in a brief or before a judge. I would be seriously concerned that they wouldn’t know what I was saying.
There are phases that we still use because they mean more than their literal translation, like res ipsa, but it’s sometimes hard to even get those typed properly. A motion I did to have a lawyer from another state admitted Pro Hac Vice came back as “pro hawk Vichy”
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.
by Harry Doyle on
Oct 7, 2008 11:00 AM EDT
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Today’s NY Times reports that Latin is making a comeback in high schools; it may surpass German as the third most studied language (after Spanish and French). Harry Potter is to blame, in part, apparently.
by peter m on
Oct 7, 2008 12:49 PM EDT
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More than 200 years ago, when most educated people learned Latin, every book seemed to have at least a couple (untranslated) Latin phrase. Heck, it wasn’t that long ago that most books were written in Latin rather than the vernacular.
by Ryan on
Oct 7, 2008 1:58 PM EDT
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I think it was around 1987 that they stopped doing that, no?
by Logodaedalus on
Oct 7, 2008 3:37 PM EDT
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Teaching Latin? I don’t know. I know my high school didn’t offer it, and I was there in the late 1990s.
As far as Latin permeating literature, it seems to me that it started to dwindle starting in the early 1800s. Read any eighteenth century literature and it’s chock full of Latin phrases, epigrams, etc.
by Ryan on
Oct 7, 2008 4:37 PM EDT
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Hello Ryan,
I know some high schools offer it in the NE Ohio area (like my alma mater, Padua Franciscan, along with I believe St. Ignatius and St. Edward), but there are others that don’t or offer it as an “elective” that you can take without it counting for credit toward graduation.
I know when I was at Padua (1992-1996), Latin did count toward credit for graduation, but Greek did not (it was offered something like Tuesday and Thursday at 7:15 A.M., 45 minutes before the official start of the school day at 8 A.M.). I don’t know if that has changed now or not (regarding Greek counting as credit toward graduation).
Latin was advocated as helping one learn to use the English language better, as well as expanding one’s English vocabulary, being that many English words have their roots in Latin. As a result, you learn Latin, you learn more English words that you may not have known, which may be a reason why Latin is making a comeback in HSs today – to expand one’s ability to use the English language better.
Another likely reason is because it can help a person in such fields as medicine and law where Latin words are still used for medical terminology and legal definitions, even if most doctors and lawyers don’t speak the language much anymore. Latin is known more as a “written” language, unlike Spanish, French, and German, which are known more as “oral” languages. Sure, those languages also have written qualities as well (such as translating texts), but unlike Latin, those three languages and many others are spoken regularly and classes focus greatly on learning how to enunciate the words correctly and having conversations in those languages. That’s not the case with Latin, instead focusing more on translating texts into modern-day English.
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
by indiansfan on
Oct 7, 2008 5:38 PM EDT
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I took a class at Case where I learned Greek and Latin elements in the English language. It was extremely useful in helping me understand how words in our weird language are put together, and how to interpret the meanings of words I’ve never seen before. I’m sure it helped me on the GRE, and I’d recommend a similar class to anybody.
But when people drop obscure Latin phrases, I tend to assume they’re pretentious wieners unless they prove otherwise.
by jds16 on
Oct 7, 2008 8:15 PM EDT
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I think there’s a competitive aspect to this too (and the Times article talked about how kids take Latin to distinguish themselves and seem a little out of the ordinary. That corresponds to what I’m seeing in my daughter’s high school.
by peter m on
Oct 7, 2008 8:15 PM EDT
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Latin was advocated as helping one learn to use the English language better, as well as expanding one’s English vocabulary, being that many English words have their roots in Latin. As a result, you learn Latin, you learn more English words that you may not have known, which may be a reason why Latin is making a comeback in HSs today – to expand one’s ability to use the English language better.
Yep, that’s one of the benefits I was always told of.
Even though it is a “written” language I always found Latin to actually be rather nice-sounding when spoken correctly. There are a lot of rolling L’s and R’s.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Oct 7, 2008 10:08 PM EDT
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I wonder if there’s a correlation between knowing Latin and using “one” a lot. Not that this one should talk…
by Logodaedalus on
Oct 8, 2008 1:43 AM EDT
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That would explain why my Pa uses that construction so often. I think you’re on to something.
by jhon on
Oct 9, 2008 1:56 PM EDT
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I hate you foreigners that try to impose your native language on us Americans. Learn the language or leave!
Go back to Latinonia!
by Toxicadam on
Oct 6, 2008 2:47 PM EDT
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“I was recently on a tour of Latin America, and the only regret I have
was that I didn’t study Latin harder in school so I could converse with
those people.”
— J. Danforth Quayle
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.
by Harry Doyle on
Oct 6, 2008 5:22 PM EDT
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his image has really been rehabilitated of late
Anti-Ben Fran before it was cool.
by Gradyforpresident on
Oct 6, 2008 6:21 PM EDT
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ipso facto: by that very fact or act: as an inevitable result. (Merriam Webster)
by odradek on
Oct 6, 2008 5:03 PM EDT
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Yeah, I think you should make a bona fide attempt to work it into at least two comments a day, making it a part of your modus vivendi. It would really put your imprimatur on your arguments, making us take them as mirabile dictu.
Carpe diem, tempus fugit after all.
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.
by Harry Doyle on
Oct 7, 2008 9:58 AM EDT
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And Paul Byrd.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on
Oct 5, 2008 5:20 PM EDT
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Somebody feel free to translate “the triumph of imploded expectations” into Latin.
by fleerdon on
Oct 7, 2008 2:16 PM EDT
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Whatever, Paul Byrd sucks.
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Oct 7, 2008 4:03 PM EDT 1 recs







