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Around SBN: Bracketology 2012: Duke Finally Steps Up To The No. 1 Line

"OK, figure this one out. We can't win in Cleveland. [Shapiro] trades Casey, and he goes off. He trades CC, and he's the best pitcher in baseball in the second half. He trades me, and I do well. You would think the Indians would go down."

Sure enough, the Indians went 44-30 without Sabathia, 36-25 without Blake and 28-17 without Byrd.

"That just proves to you that baseball doesn't make any sense. How is that possible?"

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Clearly he didn’t trade our grit

by world dictator on Oct 5, 2008 3:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Paul, are we not perhaps overstating how “well” you did?

by JRontherim on Oct 5, 2008 4:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Casey Blake in Cleveland: .289/.365/.465
Casey Blake in LA: .251/.313/.460

Yes, Casey Blake went off in LA.

by JesseAK on Oct 5, 2008 4:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Kind of like milk.

by peter m on Oct 5, 2008 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

That just shows that the Indians’ problem was Casey Blake. As soon as he departed, the Tribe took off. Ipso facto.

by odradek on Oct 5, 2008 4:44 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

i believe you are going for “post hoc ergo propter hoc”, i.e. “after of therefore because of”.

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 6, 2008 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

The only Latin phrase you need to remember is “semper ubi sub-ubi.”

“Always where under-where.”

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Oct 6, 2008 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

The ability to say something in Latin doesn’t really constitute an argument.

by Jay on Oct 6, 2008 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Rec. I used to use Latin to impress people.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Oct 6, 2008 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

What people are impressed by Latin?

I mean, seriously, if you find that girl, I guess you better marry her.

by Jay on Oct 7, 2008 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Priests and lawyers.

by odradek on Oct 7, 2008 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Most lawyers I know are not impressed by Latin anymore. If you find a priest impressed by Latin, I would advise against marrying him.

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Oct 7, 2008 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve been a member of the bar since 1994, and I’d be hard pressed to define any latin legal phrase other than res ipsa loquitur. The Plain English movement has long since conquered the legal profession everywhere except real property law.

by FredOx on Oct 7, 2008 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

True, I would never use Latin phrases to make an argument in a brief or before a judge. I would be seriously concerned that they wouldn’t know what I was saying.

There are phases that we still use because they mean more than their literal translation, like res ipsa, but it’s sometimes hard to even get those typed properly. A motion I did to have a lawyer from another state admitted Pro Hac Vice came back as “pro hawk Vichy”

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Oct 7, 2008 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Today’s NY Times reports that Latin is making a comeback in high schools; it may surpass German as the third most studied language (after Spanish and French). Harry Potter is to blame, in part, apparently.

by peter m on Oct 7, 2008 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I saw a Latin Wikipdia link somewhere…

by jhon on Oct 7, 2008 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dominus vobiscum.

by odradek on Oct 7, 2008 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

More than 200 years ago, when most educated people learned Latin, every book seemed to have at least a couple (untranslated) Latin phrase. Heck, it wasn’t that long ago that most books were written in Latin rather than the vernacular.

by Ryan on Oct 7, 2008 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it was around 1987 that they stopped doing that, no?

by Logodaedalus on Oct 7, 2008 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Teaching Latin? I don’t know. I know my high school didn’t offer it, and I was there in the late 1990s.

As far as Latin permeating literature, it seems to me that it started to dwindle starting in the early 1800s. Read any eighteenth century literature and it’s chock full of Latin phrases, epigrams, etc.

by Ryan on Oct 7, 2008 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hello Ryan,

I know some high schools offer it in the NE Ohio area (like my alma mater, Padua Franciscan, along with I believe St. Ignatius and St. Edward), but there are others that don’t or offer it as an “elective” that you can take without it counting for credit toward graduation.

I know when I was at Padua (1992-1996), Latin did count toward credit for graduation, but Greek did not (it was offered something like Tuesday and Thursday at 7:15 A.M., 45 minutes before the official start of the school day at 8 A.M.). I don’t know if that has changed now or not (regarding Greek counting as credit toward graduation).

Latin was advocated as helping one learn to use the English language better, as well as expanding one’s English vocabulary, being that many English words have their roots in Latin. As a result, you learn Latin, you learn more English words that you may not have known, which may be a reason why Latin is making a comeback in HSs today – to expand one’s ability to use the English language better.

Another likely reason is because it can help a person in such fields as medicine and law where Latin words are still used for medical terminology and legal definitions, even if most doctors and lawyers don’t speak the language much anymore. Latin is known more as a “written” language, unlike Spanish, French, and German, which are known more as “oral” languages. Sure, those languages also have written qualities as well (such as translating texts), but unlike Latin, those three languages and many others are spoken regularly and classes focus greatly on learning how to enunciate the words correctly and having conversations in those languages. That’s not the case with Latin, instead focusing more on translating texts into modern-day English.

The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.

by indiansfan on Oct 7, 2008 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I took a class at Case where I learned Greek and Latin elements in the English language. It was extremely useful in helping me understand how words in our weird language are put together, and how to interpret the meanings of words I’ve never seen before. I’m sure it helped me on the GRE, and I’d recommend a similar class to anybody.

But when people drop obscure Latin phrases, I tend to assume they’re pretentious wieners unless they prove otherwise.

by jds16 on Oct 7, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think there’s a competitive aspect to this too (and the Times article talked about how kids take Latin to distinguish themselves and seem a little out of the ordinary. That corresponds to what I’m seeing in my daughter’s high school.

by peter m on Oct 7, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Latin was advocated as helping one learn to use the English language better, as well as expanding one’s English vocabulary, being that many English words have their roots in Latin. As a result, you learn Latin, you learn more English words that you may not have known, which may be a reason why Latin is making a comeback in HSs today – to expand one’s ability to use the English language better.

Yep, that’s one of the benefits I was always told of.

Even though it is a “written” language I always found Latin to actually be rather nice-sounding when spoken correctly. There are a lot of rolling L’s and R’s.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Oct 7, 2008 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder if there’s a correlation between knowing Latin and using “one” a lot. Not that this one should talk…

by Logodaedalus on Oct 8, 2008 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

That would explain why my Pa uses that construction so often. I think you’re on to something.

by jhon on Oct 9, 2008 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate you foreigners that try to impose your native language on us Americans. Learn the language or leave!

Go back to Latinonia!

by Toxicadam on Oct 6, 2008 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

“I was recently on a tour of Latin America, and the only regret I have
 was that I didn’t study Latin harder in school so I could converse with
 those people.”
                — J. Danforth Quayle

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Oct 6, 2008 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

his image has really been rehabilitated of late

Anti-Ben Fran before it was cool.

by Gradyforpresident on Oct 6, 2008 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

“My fellow astronauts…”

by odradek on Oct 6, 2008 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

ipso facto: by that very fact or act: as an inevitable result. (Merriam Webster)

by odradek on Oct 6, 2008 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Should I use that more? Maybe.

by Jay on Oct 7, 2008 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I think you should make a bona fide attempt to work it into at least two comments a day, making it a part of your modus vivendi. It would really put your imprimatur on your arguments, making us take them as mirabile dictu.

Carpe diem, tempus fugit after all.

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Oct 7, 2008 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

On opening day we should trade Cliff Lee.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Oct 5, 2008 4:50 PM EDT reply actions  

And Paul Byrd.

The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay

by Buckeye Brad on Oct 5, 2008 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

We call it the “Minnesota effect”.

by Toxicadam on Oct 6, 2008 12:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Somebody feel free to translate “the triumph of imploded expectations” into Latin.

by fleerdon on Oct 7, 2008 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whatever, Paul Byrd sucks.

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Oct 7, 2008 4:03 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

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