It's official — Sabathia is a jackass

Look, it doesn't matter what his reasons were. It doesn't matter if he's a great family man and loves his kids and all that. It doesn't matter that he earned the right, or that most players go to the highest bidder.
You sign with the Yankees, you're a jackass. It's that simple.
C.C. Sabathia is a jackass. Him and that all-time great douchebag, Roger Clemens.
After being introduced today as a Yankee, Sabathia trotted out the usual jackass trope: "When it came down to it, really thinking about what I wanted, having the chance to win every year. That's something that I talk about all the time. That's the bottom line for me. There really was no other place to go."
No other place to go? There were plenty of other places to go, highly competitive teams that will fight the good fight to get to the postseason, that will compete for a championship.
What C.C. is really saying: "I want to have the postseason gift-wrapped like a special gift for me, every single year. I don't want to have to compete for it and earn it."
The Brewers and Indians will compete for the postseason. Every player will have to kick and scratch. The Yankees will not compete; they'll just buy it.
A real competitor doesn't want to win with unfair advantage; he wants to compete on a level playing field. Star players don't go to the Yankees to "compete," they're going there for the loaded dice — and for the cash, of course. They don't want to have to earn postseason berths; they want titles handed to them on a silver platter. They don't want to get paid to get to the playoffs, they want to get paid to go to the playoffs.
There were plenty of places to go, but only one place where Sabathia wouldn't have to compete fairly. He will just be handed a certain measure of success, one befitting a player of his (ahem) stature.
Here's one final good-bye, then, C.C. We had a great run together. You gave us some great seasons, the best career of any Indians pitcher since Sudden Sam. You left us with a nice little cache of prospects, too.
But you're just another jackass now.
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FYI. I would like to be excluded from this club. That is all, I’ll go now.
by Voltaire on
Dec 18, 2008 3:47 PM EST
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if we’re lucky, he won’t have to worry about it.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on
Dec 18, 2008 3:54 PM EST
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My initial comment in that Clemens thread is, I think, my most substantial contribution to this site. I really hated Clemens’ comments then and I hate Sabathia’s now.
I don’t get why they have to parrot this nonsense. Can’t they just smile, say they’re happy to be there, and go play?
What’s incredible is that the Yankees don’t even offer the best chance to compete every year any more-the Red Sox do. The Sox combine a little less money with a lot more brains.
by afh4 on
Dec 18, 2008 3:49 PM EST
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Dammit, just beat me to the punch, Jay.
BOOOOOO CC
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on
Dec 18, 2008 3:50 PM EST
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Two days before Sabathia made his decision, Reggie Jackson had been in Las Vegas at the winter meetings as part of the Yankees delegation that met with the left-hander. Sabathia, who grew up in the Bay Area, found himself distracted by the presence of the Hall of Famer: “I was just thinking, ‘Would it be weird to ask [Jackson] for an autograph?’”
Ever ask Grady for his autograph, CC? Because he’s better.
by afh4 on
Dec 18, 2008 4:03 PM EST
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Yeah, after almost pleading for a National League team to get into the ballpark of what the Yankees offered, after sitting on the initial offer for what, three weeks, and after he exacted a “Yankee Tax” and an opt-out after three seasons, it’s pretty apparent New York was in his mind the only place to go.
Enjoy the money, and all the baggage that’s gonna come with it, CC.
by Ryan on
Dec 18, 2008 4:04 PM EST
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Are you guys surprised by any of this? I thought it was as clear as the nose on Barry Manilow’s face that this cazzi scemo would sign with the Yanks
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by mauichuck on
Dec 18, 2008 4:07 PM EST
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Surprised? No. Was I positive this was going to happen? No. I don’t even attempt to predict how a man I know literally nothing about will act, positively or negatively. Anybody who thinks they can read the soundbites of athletes, watch them on tv, and have a predictive knowledge of their personalities is kidding themselves.
I think if it was any other offseason, he’d have gone somewhere else. The discrepancy between what New York can pay this year and what others can is even more ridiculous than normal.
by afh4 on
Dec 18, 2008 4:20 PM EST
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It’s simple: the Yanks have a $1.3B mortgage they have to pay for, they’ve jacked up the ticket prices, and the only way to put fannies in the seats is to have a pennant winning club. Stunod and Cashman had to sign CC – they bet the ranch on their young studs last year and it all turned to bovine excrement. They had to sign CC and AJ – it was clear as early as the spring of ‘07 that this was gonna happen. All the strum und drang about where CC was going in ’09 was a waste of electrons and printer’s ink.
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by mauichuck on
Dec 18, 2008 4:39 PM EST
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I don’t think it was clear until the economy failed. Barring that, I think there was a decent chance the Angels or LAD got close enough.
But, it happened.
by afh4 on
Dec 18, 2008 4:42 PM EST
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Speaking of the economy failing and baseball – this maybe an opportunity. Perhaps the only way to bring baseball back as a competitive sport is for the Yankees to go bankrupt. It could happen given how leveraged they are and in need of a $256m tax break. Of course if this does happen I’ll probably end up living in a refidgerator box on the beach somewhere in Maui. It’d be worth it.
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by mauichuck on
Dec 18, 2008 4:45 PM EST
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At least your refrigerator box’ll be in Maui. Mine will be in N.J.
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.
by Harry Doyle on
Dec 18, 2008 4:47 PM EST
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As Bill James says: Would you play in a rotisserie league where you can spend $70 on players and another team can spend $200?
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Dec 18, 2008 6:10 PM EST
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Bill would, if he could spend $180.
by SuddenSam on
Dec 19, 2008 8:35 AM EST
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I think this should be recced a lot more!
by NickFantana on
Dec 19, 2008 11:36 AM EST
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Yeah, he said it before he went to work for the Bostons.
by odradek on
Dec 19, 2008 12:13 PM EST
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Read the headline.
It’s not a surprise today, it’s simply official today.
by Jay on
Dec 18, 2008 4:28 PM EST
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The sheer size of your Paesan-English dictionary still astounds me.
by supermarioelia on
Dec 18, 2008 6:27 PM EST
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Just the parolaccia goomba – plus it helps if you lived on Murray Hill next to the familia DeMarco.
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by mauichuck on
Dec 18, 2008 8:49 PM EST
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John Anthony DeMarco? The man who represented Cleveland in Apalachin?
by odradek on
Dec 18, 2008 9:01 PM EST
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Not sure. Johnny “the Mouse” DeMarco, a member of the Licatese family that was part of the larger Scalish regimo. Not a guy you wannta cross back in the day.
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by mauichuck on
Dec 18, 2008 9:38 PM EST
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Yeah, that’s him. Short guy, 5’3". The old man was born in 1903 or so.
by odradek on
Dec 18, 2008 10:04 PM EST
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Weird, half of my family has that surname.
by supermarioelia on
Dec 18, 2008 11:15 PM EST
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I’m now officially glad CC signed with the Yankees. He deserves them, and they him.
by FredOx on
Dec 18, 2008 4:16 PM EST
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Okay, I’ll say it. This is really lame irrationality for this site.
by Voltaire on
Dec 18, 2008 4:18 PM EST
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Baseball is deeply, deeply broken and when people within the game who have the luxury to illuminate or at least not reinforce that and they don’t, they’re acting like jackasses.
by afh4 on
Dec 18, 2008 4:21 PM EST
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I honestly don’t know what you’re saying here.
by Voltaire on
Dec 18, 2008 4:22 PM EST
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The competitive imbalance in baseball is legitimately absurd, in the true definition of the word. At the very least, CC could just shut up and pitch, as opposed to reinforcing the idea that the Yankees are doing something “right” in order to win.
by afh4 on
Dec 18, 2008 4:31 PM EST
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Yeah. I’m so sick of the Yankees winning the World Series every year!
by TonyH on
Dec 18, 2008 5:09 PM EST
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I don’t think it is just them winning the series. The point is most of the teams in baseball go through relative waves of being good teams and bad teams. The Yankees don’t experiences those ups and downs, rather they overspend to fix enough of their holes to get in the playoffs and have a chance at the series, which as stated above severely disrupts the competitive imbalance in the game.
by cclemens31 on
Dec 18, 2008 5:29 PM EST
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Competitive imbalance? Now there’s a Freudian slip.
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.
by Harry Doyle on
Dec 18, 2008 5:30 PM EST
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+1 – agree wholeheartedly!
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
by indiansfan on
Dec 18, 2008 10:04 PM EST
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+1 – agree wholeheartedly!
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
by indiansfan on
Dec 18, 2008 10:03 PM EST
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Baseball is broken. I’ve said it before. There’s a problem with a system that allows a handful of teams to overwhelming outbid other teams for the talented players, but I still don’t blame CC for taking a deal that had another year, much more money, and an opt out clause.
If I have the luxury of being in Cleveland for his first start there in pinstripes, I will cheer him fondly when he’s introduced, and then root like hell that he gets knocked out of the game by the third inning after HR’s by Grady, Pronk and Vic.
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.
by Harry Doyle on
Dec 18, 2008 4:31 PM EST
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It’s not about taking the money for me. If he were to not take the money, he’d be awesome. Incredible. Curt Flood lite.
If he would take the money and not reinforce the Yankee mystique, just say “Here to do my job, it was a great deal for me.” then he’d be ok with me.
But to take the money and classify the Yankees as unique, in a good way, within baseball? That’s terrible.
by afh4 on
Dec 18, 2008 4:34 PM EST
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I think turning down the $$$ would make him more of Curt Flood Kryptonite, and I agree I would have rather that he just shut up and do the job they’re paying him boatloads of money to do.
He didn’t day anything that was untrue. Unfortunately, being in NY does give him a better chance at winning a championship than a lot of other places. It’s not because the Yankees are any better at identifying and developing talent, have players who want it more or work harder. It’s because they have the financial wherewithal to bury mistakes that would bury other teams.
That coupled with the arrogance that leave them and their fans with an air of entitlement when it comes to being in the postseason it what makes me despise the organization and its fans. If CC drinks that Kool Aid, he’ll be dead to me. I just haven’t seen it yet.
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.
by Harry Doyle on
Dec 18, 2008 4:44 PM EST
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Any Clevelander who would cheer for any Yankee under any circumstance should be tarred and feathered and run outta town on a rail.
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by mauichuck on
Dec 18, 2008 4:46 PM EST
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RABBLE RABBLE Lebron James, RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
As General Manager of this team, I demand to know when I'm getting a start.
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Dec 19, 2008 9:34 AM EST
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I’d say that his comments, along with the Jeter one, are pretty classic pro-Yankee rhetoric. Even if they’re parsed and don’t say the exact company line, they’re going to be presented as classic pro-Yankee rhetoric in the media and I’d have hoped he would’ve known that and avoided them.
Not that you don’t know this but it’s incredible how bad the Yankees are for baseball and yet no one within baseball says anything about it.
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Dec 18, 2008 4:46 PM EST
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Ok, you’ve got me. He’s an a$$hole.
Now, who can come up with a good caption for this photo.
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.
by Harry Doyle on
Dec 18, 2008 5:00 PM EST
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Sabathia laughs as Burnett lets him in on the contract year prank
by Roger Dorn on
Dec 18, 2008 5:04 PM EST
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Sabathia laughs in delight after A.J. tells him what happened to that bag of money that fell out of his plane.
by cclemens31 on
Dec 18, 2008 5:41 PM EST
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What do you want him to do? Cry for three years?
by Voltaire on
Dec 18, 2008 6:11 PM EST
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No, I want him to crush a knee in ST and never throw another pitch for the rest of his life.
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by mauichuck on
Dec 18, 2008 9:05 PM EST
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I’m with you Chuck. The schadenfreude that would cause could set records.
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Dec 19, 2008 11:38 AM EST
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It’s this kind of comment that reminds me that Chuck is really just me 50 years from now.
-Erik
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Dec 19, 2008 11:41 AM EST
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AJ Burnett and CC Sabathia plan their next DL trip together.
"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."
by Blicks on
Dec 18, 2008 8:43 PM EST
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Burnett just said to CC “Now that my contract is signed and they owe me $82 mm, I’m gonna pull a Carl Pavano and strain a tush muscle”
by lenred on
Dec 18, 2008 9:36 PM EST
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“Wrecked ’em? Damn near killed ’em!”
by Fredward on
Dec 18, 2008 7:34 PM EST
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OMG!! LOOK HOW MUCH FUN THEY'RE HAVING!!!
Don't be stupid. PUT IN MELOAN.
by gte619n on
Dec 18, 2008 11:01 PM EST
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Funny how a uniform can make you hate a guy.
As General Manager of this team, I demand to know when I'm getting a start.
by bigbrabbs on
Dec 19, 2008 9:33 AM EST
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“Not that you don’t know this but it’s incredible how bad the Yankees are for baseball and yet no one within baseball says anything about it.”
Yes, it’s truly amazing that no one mentions it; most media outlets and other sources fawn over the Yankees as being such a good thing for baseball. The only good thing they’re for is that they provide more money in MLB’s pockets due to the luxury tax and the revenue they generate.
I suppose a second reason is that people from all other teams can unite against them, but if the Yankees ceased to exist, I would not shed a tear (all due respect to TRUE Yankee fans, the ones that have been with the Yankees for years on end (such as during the time of Ruth, Mantle, DiMaggio, Rizzuto, etc.) before they started spending obscene amounts of money – not the bandwagon fans that just want to support the Yankees because it’s the popular thing to do or because they are perceived as “winners” because of the amount of money they spend).
Just my 2 cents.
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
by indiansfan on
Dec 18, 2008 10:36 PM EST
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+1 – agree wholeheartedly again!
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
by indiansfan on
Dec 18, 2008 10:04 PM EST
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In order to make that statement, you would have to know nothing about the economics of the game and nothing about the history of the American League.
Hating the Yankees is the responsibility of every fair-minded, intelligent baseball fan and every diehard fan of an old-school American League team. If you don’t get that, then you are simply lost.
by Jay on
Dec 18, 2008 4:27 PM EST
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What Jay said.
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by mauichuck on
Dec 18, 2008 4:42 PM EST
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One of these days I’m gonna get around to a long post on why I feel this way. Just not up for it yet.
by Voltaire on
Dec 18, 2008 6:12 PM EST
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we’d have to be like 12-48 for me to get into long-post mode.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on
Dec 19, 2008 2:44 AM EST
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Also, you said you’d go now. Don’t be “that guy.”
by Jay on
Dec 18, 2008 4:30 PM EST
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Which is what I was trying to avoid. I’ll fanshot my thoughts after this dies down.
by Voltaire on
Dec 18, 2008 6:12 PM EST
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It’ll never die down, cugino, never.
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by mauichuck on
Dec 18, 2008 9:39 PM EST
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I also can argue the point that we are being no more irrational than CC. Maybe CC is going to do something of great value with the extra $60 million he will get: fund inner-city schools, buy food for the needy, buy an island where Robert Mugabe can abdicate, or something else that will have great impact and value. As it is, the only thing I see from CC is greed – and there is nothing more irrational than greed.
Yankees and Red Sox - MLB's Axis of Evil
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by Spidey on
Dec 19, 2008 12:37 AM EST
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Perhaps one of the worst songs Pete Townsend ever penned.
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.
by Harry Doyle on
Dec 18, 2008 4:35 PM EST
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Is it wrong to wish for a NYY private plane crash?
I’m doing it either way. I’m just looking for some perspective.
by KevinV on
Dec 18, 2008 4:51 PM EST
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Yes, it is wrong. Contrary to all those T-shirts from the 1990’s, Basesball is not life. Life is life.
Still the local "Barfield Bounces Back Believer" and confident that Gutz will succeed in Seattle.
by mjmarble on
Dec 19, 2008 9:09 AM EST
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i think now would be a great time for a Scott Raab fanpost on the subject.
by Brick. on
Dec 18, 2008 4:53 PM EST
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…it’s like getting dumped by your girlfriend for the rich kid in high school…
by mjschaefer on
Dec 18, 2008 5:02 PM EST
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If baseball was a John Hughes, brat pack movie, NYY would Andrew McCarthy and Cleveland would be Jon Cryer
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.
by Harry Doyle on
Dec 18, 2008 5:05 PM EST
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That means in 20 years the team strikes it rich on erection jokes and funny faces? We signed Kerry Wood entirely too early…
by Fundamentals on
Dec 21, 2008 7:57 PM EST
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I on the other hand, can’t wait for that cazzi cafone to leave.
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by mauichuck on
Dec 21, 2008 10:53 PM EST
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but now we have the opportunity to make out in front of them with a much hotter girl at the afterprom party at his house
by APV on
Dec 18, 2008 5:05 PM EST
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Beating CC in Cleveland in the ALCS would rival only one other baseball dream I have….
by mjschaefer on
Dec 18, 2008 5:13 PM EST
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I’ll settle for the ALDS, and I’ll settle for doing it in New York.
by Jay on
Dec 18, 2008 5:13 PM EST
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as part of a 3 game game sweep of the Yankees who, with all their payroll only managed to make the playoffs as the wildcard. Especially since that sets up taking Boston down in the ALCS
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.
by Harry Doyle on
Dec 18, 2008 5:16 PM EST
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Oh, no, they make it as the division champs.
by Jay on
Dec 18, 2008 5:17 PM EST
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Better at home. Fausto, fearless, on the mound covered in midges and not even noticing.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on
Dec 18, 2008 8:13 PM EST
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I just rewatched this game tonight
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on
Dec 19, 2008 12:44 AM EST
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it’d take like 893,237 midges to cover CC’s fat-ass body
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on
Dec 19, 2008 2:46 AM EST
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We’re approaching 50 comments, and Pinstripe Alley has yet to post the story.
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.
by Harry Doyle on
Dec 18, 2008 5:11 PM EST
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If its not late October or November they probably don’t care.
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Dec 18, 2008 5:12 PM EST
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That’s cuz they knew this was gonna happen. This is old news – like early August – over at Pinstripe Alley.
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by mauichuck on
Dec 18, 2008 5:19 PM EST
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just about what I expected the same as Jim, and Manny or James in two years Cleveland is nice place to start your career but not a nice to make you rich rich and more rich
Fan in Texas
by fanintexas on
Dec 18, 2008 5:15 PM EST
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Let’s not lump CC in the Manny and Thome. A
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.
by Harry Doyle on
Dec 18, 2008 5:17 PM EST
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Oh, I think they’re all basically in the same category. But when’s the last time we actually lost someone to the Yankees?
by Jay on
Dec 18, 2008 5:18 PM EST
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[dealing with postus interruptus]
Manny went for the money, directly to a rival. Thome was the worst, with his press conference about wanting to be an Indian but leaving for not that much more $$$
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.
by Harry Doyle on
Dec 18, 2008 5:20 PM EST
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SAME TO ME.
(my posts tonight brought to you by Yuengling and CAPITALS)
Don't be stupid. PUT IN MELOAN.
by gte619n on
Dec 18, 2008 11:04 PM EST
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Yuengling is everywhere, Jay. I get it on tap in VA. Stoudt’s is better, anyway.
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Dec 18, 2008 11:31 PM EST
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Yeah, where is he not but Ohio?
Burn on, big river, burn on...
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Dec 19, 2008 12:45 AM EST
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Yuengling has the best factory tour anywhere. Better than any other brewery tour (and I’ve been to Sam Adams and Red Hook) and waaay better than Ben & Jerry’s. I mean, where else can you stick your head into a vat of boiling wort??? They even let you walk among the bottling machines. If you are ever near Pottsville, you should make the trip. Then, head over to Knoebel’s Grove and take a ride on the Phoenix.
Yankees and Red Sox - MLB's Axis of Evil
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Dec 19, 2008 9:58 PM EST
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It can’t be as good as the old Black Label tour. The plant was located in the old White Motors factory on E93rd and Quincy. They had a mock-up of a wood paneled bar in the basement. You could drink all the beer you could hold while they showed a highlight reel of the Browns ’64 season. Now you may think that BL tasted like day-old goat piss but they served Carling Red Cap Ale right outta the chillers – absolutely the best beer I ever had. How could you beat it? It was both fresh and free!! Anyway the hook was that the vespasiano was on the second floor.
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by mauichuck on
Dec 20, 2008 12:18 AM EST
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Believe it or not they were selling it, on tap, on Beale St. in Memphis last time I was there.
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by mauichuck on
Dec 19, 2008 1:59 AM EST
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I am very happy that the rest of the country is getting to enjoy Yuengling — here in PA, it’s as cheap as Budweiser, is that the case everywhere?
by Jay on
Dec 19, 2008 12:34 PM EST
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Cheaper, I think. Yeungling has been my go-to cheap beer since college (when I had to buy even cheaper).
I thought it was available all over the east coast.
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Dec 19, 2008 1:10 PM EST
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In most bars around the Lehigh Valley you just ask for a “lager” when you want Yuengling (lager, obviously). I think it usually is cheaper than Budweiser — one place I used to go sometimes it was frequently on special for $1 for a 12 oz draft.
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Dec 19, 2008 1:30 PM EST
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It's really hard to find in WV.
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Dec 19, 2008 11:34 PM EST
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Atlanta. We just got it here, maybe two months ago.
When I saw it on the shelf my gut reaction was to buy it all and another refrigerator for the basement, but then the clerk told me that we’ll be able to have it all Regular-like.
Don't be stupid. PUT IN MELOAN.
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brought to you by Rogue Chipotle Ale
Anti-Ben Fran before it was cool.
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Dec 19, 2008 12:22 AM EST
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Woohoo, oldest brewery in the US… Pottsville, PA
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As mentioned above – the best factory tour around.
Yankees and Red Sox - MLB's Axis of Evil
(And ESPN is right in the middle)
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I haven’t been on that many, but I have been on that one. They converted it into an ice cream factory during Prohibition, apparently. One of the few tidbits I remember.
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Not to get into this conversation again, but Lebron’s situation is completely different. In order to leave Cleveland he’ll have to leave at least $30 million on the table and go to an inferior team. It’s called a soft cap, Donny. It’s the NBA, the records room, B1, using the whole fist …
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I’ll always be a fan of his. So he got paid. Good for him.
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cc is way beyond being a sure fire prospect to garner any attention from you.
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Dec 18, 2008 5:20 PM EST
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Oh c’mon that third statement was absurd!
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All of this makes me hungry for a sloppy joe and brick sandwich.
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this makes me want to spell check the word ‘scrumptious’
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We’ll talk after he does his little fist pump after striking out Grady in the ninth inning with two on after a complete game 1-0 victory.
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Dec 18, 2008 5:22 PM EST
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How do two get on ahead of Grady unless he’s batting third?
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.
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Dec 18, 2008 5:23 PM EST
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The ninth, stunod, the ninth.
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Dec 18, 2008 5:26 PM EST
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I know, just trying to stir up trouble.
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.
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Dec 18, 2008 5:28 PM EST
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Meh, it happens. Hopefuly I will not be in attendance though. I have been to 4 baseball games in my life. All Indians Yankees. All losses. I’m seriously starting to get worried.
by Joe. on
Dec 18, 2008 5:24 PM EST
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Do me a favor: don’t go to any more games.
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Dec 18, 2008 5:26 PM EST
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took the words right out of my mouth.
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.
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Dec 18, 2008 5:28 PM EST
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Did get to see Absurdal’s first career double live in Cleveland at least.
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Dec 18, 2008 5:35 PM EST
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Is this supposed to be more exciting to you than his first career homer?
Burn on, big river, burn on...
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Dec 19, 2008 12:47 AM EST
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change “after a” to “for a”.
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Dec 18, 2008 5:27 PM EST
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See this is why I got my CC hate going months ago so there’s no learning curve now.
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Judging by the press coverage I’m likely to hear on local NY media over the course of the night, I’m likely to be right there with you by morning.
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.
by Harry Doyle on
Dec 18, 2008 5:22 PM EST
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Shane Victorino laughs at Chunky Charles
http://www.thegoodphight.com
WHY CAN'T US?
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I’m gonna be that guy and disagree, too.
He went to the Yankees for the money plain and simple, for a ridiculous contract with a ridiculous opt-out clause, and I think that’s a lot less jackass-ish than going there for the loaded dice. I’m sure he’ll be happy about getting a chance to pitch in the playoffs every year, and I hope he manages to do it once without choking maybe sometime around… I dunno, 2017?… but the stuff he said today is just the stuff one says in these sorts of situations.
If he’d just resigned with the Indians he’d be spouting whatever sort of boilerplate Shapiro wanted him to spout. But he’s spouting Yankee boilerplate, because he pitches for the Yankees now, which is why I want his freaking arm to fall off.
I hate the Yankees organization at the very core of my being, maybe more than I even like the Indians, as perverse as that is. I refuse to even have them on my fantasy baseball teams. But I root against the shirt. I mean, if the Indians signed Andy Pettitte on a two-year deal tomorrow I’d like him just fine all the sudden.
CC is just a dude getting paid. There’s no reason to hate him personally, but now there’s every reason to hate him professionally. For the next six years, I wish Sabathia nothing but complete and humiliating professional failure, just like I wish for anybody else in those hideous pinstripes. I wouldn’t feel too bad if his arm actually literally fell off. I want him to completely collapse.
But then I want him to go home and have a great time with that mind-boggling stack of cash.
But I dunno, I might be the wrong person to ask… I mean, I even still kinda like Manny, and he actually is a jackass.
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Dec 18, 2008 5:42 PM EST
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I don’t hate him, I’m just saying he’s a jackass.
by Jay on
Dec 18, 2008 5:45 PM EST
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I think it’s canned heat. We’re supposed to hate him because he plays for the Yankees, because that’s how sports work. You’re supposed to hate your rivals. It doesn’t mean he’s a uniquely bad guy or anything, or that you hate the guy on a personal level. He’s just on a heel turn.
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Dec 18, 2008 5:48 PM EST
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The Tigers are our rivals. You could call it canned heat if he signed with them.
The Yankees are a whole different beast. They are everything that’s wrong with the sport. They are injustice. There is nothing canned about it.
by KevinV on
Dec 18, 2008 10:57 PM EST
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C.C.‘s not responsible for the injustices of the market structure of baseball. He just did what any rational human being would do. I’ve always liked him; I’ll continue to like him even when he pitches for a team I hope gets crushed.
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Dec 18, 2008 11:35 PM EST
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“When it came down to it, really thinking about what I wanted, having the chance to win every year. That’s something that I talk about all the time. That’s the bottom line for me. There really was no other place to go.”
Jack-ass quote, even if you’re jesus christ himself.
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Dec 18, 2008 5:49 PM EST
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I guess what I’m saying is that I think that’s a lie.
If the Giants had matched the Yankees offer, he’d be talking about how the bottom line was going home to Cali.
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Dec 18, 2008 5:51 PM EST
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So what if it is a lie? He made the choice, and he spoke those words, and he is a jackass.
Words have meaning, and actions have consequences.
by Jay on
Dec 18, 2008 5:55 PM EST
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Words certainly have meaning, but much of their meaning is derived from context. With regard to professional sports, I feel pretty comfortable ignoring everything an athlete says unless it amuses me (O, Manny…), relates to a technical matter, or is otherwise abnormal or noteworthy.
What CC said today is the rhetorical equivalent of signing the contract. It’s meaningless, except to denote that he is now a Yankee and should be rooted against accordingly.
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Dec 18, 2008 6:02 PM EST
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I thought my post was pretty clear, Sabathia isn’t a jackass because of those words, but because of the signing itself. The words just provide further evidence. So I’m not sure we really disagree on this.
by Jay on
Dec 18, 2008 6:20 PM EST
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I re-read your post, and it’s crystal clear: Yankee=jackass. I got distracted the first time through by the commentary about the press conference.
So I think we just disagree on what constitutes a jackass. I tend to think of Yankeedom as an acute condition (except for a few particularly loathsome players and unfortunately most fans), whereas jackassery is more chronic. Yankeedom can be a risk factor for jackassery and vice versa, but they’re not one and the same to me.
Anyway, I have a feeling we’ll both be rooting against him with equal enthusiasm.
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Dec 18, 2008 6:32 PM EST
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I agree. I think he clearly stepped over the line with that comment.
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Dec 18, 2008 8:14 PM EST
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All these quotes—from C.C. back to Clemens—come from their media people. C.C. is trained to say something like this, because it looks good for the image, and for the team, and the game. I can’t believe everyone is taking these as heartfelt words.
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Dec 18, 2008 5:51 PM EST
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I like to think I’d be more candid about things in the same situation, but cliche is kind of the norm when it comes to sports press conferences. It’s hard for me to really get on somebody’s case about it.
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Dec 18, 2008 5:55 PM EST
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Relating to another thread here, but this is why Kenny >>CC and is a real, true, Indian favorite. When Kenny says something – go ahead and see if you can find a quote that belies this – he means it. No BS, no spin, no athlete-speak. CC, on the other hand, is so full of merde he probably tastes it all-day.
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Dec 18, 2008 8:59 PM EST
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Not at all, but I think it’s odd to believe this is what he really thinks. He probably would prefer to make $300 million playing for the Oakland A’s and batting cleanup. Of course, he’s still a jackass.
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Dec 18, 2008 5:56 PM EST
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He said those words. He chose to say them. They’re his words.
Accountability must really be dead at this point. People seem confused when you even bring it up.
by Jay on
Dec 18, 2008 5:55 PM EST
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You’re right, but this goes back to what I said about pressure being put on him to sign in New York. He’s a young man, a ball player. He’s not going to stand up in front of the cameras and extemporize. Very few people could. So he’s coached. If he felt strongly he could say, “Wait a minute. I want to say something else.” They might even let him do it.
He’s a jackass for signing with the Yankees. All this other stuff is window dressing. What you say about accountability is correct, but that’s not the way it works anymore.
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Dec 18, 2008 6:06 PM EST
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My standards are not going down in this area. Without accountability, we got nothing.
It doesn’t matter what’s boilerplate and what isn’t. He’s a jackass for just thinking it, and he’s a jackass for saying it. He’s a jackass either way, and if he believes it and says it, then he’d be doubly a jackass.
And he was already a jackass, even if he didn’t say anything.
by Jay on
Dec 18, 2008 6:22 PM EST
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And reporters are jackasses for reporting it, too. You could have predicted, with close accuracy, what would be said today. More mush from another Yankee signee.
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Dec 18, 2008 6:31 PM EST
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Without accountability, we got nothing.
Unless that means having to account for failure to disclose injury information…
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Dec 19, 2008 12:50 AM EST
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Are you going for some kind of award for density?
Said “failure” presupposes there was a duty to disclose.
by Jay on
Dec 19, 2008 1:21 AM EST
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No, I was going for a joke and, clearly, failing
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Dec 19, 2008 12:22 PM EST
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He’s just pandering to his new fanbase. What he said wasn’t even that bad.
The guy is set for life and is going to live in the greatest city in the world. Let him be excited.
by Joe. on
Dec 18, 2008 6:01 PM EST
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Greatest city in the world? C.C. is going to live in Key West?
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Dec 18, 2008 6:07 PM EST
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Key West is a hellhole. (too dated?)
by Fredward on
Dec 18, 2008 7:39 PM EST
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Could be. But it’s better than NYC any day. As are most other American cities.
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Dec 18, 2008 7:51 PM EST
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I forgot about that riff, but yeah: New York City is the bona fide hellhole.
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Dec 18, 2008 7:55 PM EST
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When and where did you visit NYC? In 1991 and in Harlem?
by Joe. on
Dec 18, 2008 8:15 PM EST
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Lived there from 1977 to 1988. Upper West Side.
by odradek on
Dec 18, 2008 8:52 PM EST
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Not sure if you know but it’s a lot different than it used to be.
by Joe. on
Dec 18, 2008 9:12 PM EST
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I’m in New York almost every month. It’s way worse now than it was in 1977.
by odradek on
Dec 18, 2008 10:06 PM EST
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In terms of what? Culture? Things to do? Crime? Nothing?
by Joe. on
Dec 19, 2008 11:55 AM EST
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Huh? I didn’t make a statement. I was asking you a question.
by Joe. on
Dec 19, 2008 12:20 PM EST
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NY is way worse in terms of culture now than it was in the days of Franz Kline. It is inimical to culture. Try the Palazzo Doria Pamphilj instead.
Things to do? Getting pushed and shoved, you mean?
Crime? Petty larceny is down, but grand larceny is way up (see Madoff et al.).
Have you ever lived there? Or do you simply have an idealized view of what it is like as a place to live?
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Dec 19, 2008 1:37 PM EST
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So your two biggest gripes are being pushed and shoved in the streets (never really happened to me) and grand larceny as if other cities like Chicago aren’t much more corrupt. A few anecdotal instances of corruption aren’t exactly going to bring down my image of an amazing city.
You left the city during the height of the crak epidemic and seem unaware of how massively different it is in the present day.
by Joe. on
Dec 19, 2008 1:53 PM EST
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I’ll take Chicago any day.
Also, I’ll have to take your word for how different New York is these days. As I said above, in my experience, it’s worse today than it was during the days of Abe Beame.
You’ve never been jostled in New York, indoors or out? That’s odd.
Try living there & see if you still think it’s such an amazing city.
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Dec 19, 2008 6:15 PM EST
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What odradek said. Chicago>>NYC, better food, better music, better people. NYC is a fraud, the music is derivative, the food from hunger and the people are scared to death of one another. Gimme Chicago, Philly and Houston over NYC any day.
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Dec 19, 2008 6:20 PM EST
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Yes, I’d take Houston. Maybe not Dallas, but Houston is okay.
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Dec 19, 2008 7:32 PM EST
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Great food – the Cajun is fantastic, the music is great – try Rockefeller’s or the Spring Blues Festival, the women are all beautiful – and friendly. Plus and it’s only 4 hours to New Orleans.
Yep, I’ll take Houston over NYC any day.
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by mauichuck on
Dec 19, 2008 8:00 PM EST
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but… you have to drive everywhere, don’t you? how can that be a respectable city?
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Dec 20, 2008 2:46 AM EST
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Wrong again sweet cakes. I lived in Katy – about 15 miles from downtown. You could grab the bus at the Rt. 6 and I-10. The bus had huge recliner seats. Drink your coffee, read the paper, ride in the high occupancy lane at 60mph while the rest of the jadrools were crawlin’ at 10mph. The bus would drop me off ~1/4 mile from my office, all for ~$10 a week – perfect!
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by mauichuck on
Dec 20, 2008 2:51 AM EST
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The food from hunger? Huh?
And what do you mean by the people are scared to death of one another? Are we talking about crime? Because NYC is certainly much, much safer than Chicago, Philly, or Houston.
by Joe. on
Dec 19, 2008 8:50 PM EST
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Here try this: on the subway in both NYC and Chicago the seats are set up so that the passengers face the middle of the cars. In NYC nobody, but nobody looks you in the eye. In Chicago they not only make eye contact, they actually talk to one another. What a stark contrast.
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by mauichuck on
Dec 20, 2008 12:20 AM EST
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I don’t think that reflects being “scared to death”… I think you just create a personal space bubble when you’re somewhere that dense.
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Dec 20, 2008 2:47 AM EST
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Nice bit of sophistry, but unsupported by the facts. The is little if any difference between the population density of DT Chicago and DT NYC.
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Dec 20, 2008 2:53 AM EST
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I haven’t spent much time in Chicago, but from what little I have it feels like a small town compared to NYC. I mean, obviously it’s actually really big, but…I dunno…doesn’t have the same feel to it somehow.
Again though, not really a fair comparison, since I’ve spent way more time in NY than in Chicago.
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Dec 20, 2008 3:06 AM EST
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Chi definitely has a different feel, which in my mind is one of the best things about it. When New Yorkers visit Chicago they say things like, “Wow, this is actually a big city.” “I’m really impressed with how good the restaurants are.” “You know, it’s surprisingly cosmopolitan.”
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Dec 20, 2008 1:08 PM EST
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those New Yorkers can be pretty condescending, can’t they?
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Dec 20, 2008 1:29 PM EST
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Condescending is only one facet of the standard moronic New Yorkers personality. I’ll admit I’m overly fond of this thread, but it’s not just because it’s mine. It’s because the response from the Yankee fans so succinctly show how twisted their personalities are. From my experience it’s pretty typical of your average NYC resident.
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Dec 20, 2008 2:48 PM EST
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I don’t think it’s remotely fair to lump all or even a large percentage of New Yorkers in with typical Yankee fans. With some exceptions, of course, I’ve generally had very positive experiences with the New Yorkers that I’ve interacted with. I think they can have a superiority complex about New York itself, but interacting with them in the city in a non-tourist capacity is typically a perfectly friendly experience.
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Dec 20, 2008 9:36 PM EST
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The best part of that thread is this statement:
I’ll give you that A-Rod has been huge for us, but Texas is actually picking up 1/3 of his salary. We cut salary this year, and as Cashman takes more and more control from Steinbrenner, we’re going to continue to focus on homegrown talent.
by FredOx on
Dec 23, 2008 2:31 PM EST
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You still have yet to explain what’s “worse” about it.
by Joe. on
Dec 19, 2008 8:55 PM EST
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It is an extremely difficult city in which to live in terms of noise, expense, opportunity, aggression. It is now, it was in 1975, and it probably was in 1870.
But you still haven’t answered my question: have you lived there? Do you speak from experience what a great place it is to inhabit?
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Dec 19, 2008 9:41 PM EST
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I have not lived there.
The cost of living in NYC is very high though I’ll give you that.
by Joe. on
Dec 19, 2008 10:29 PM EST
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Cost of living, according to the stats, isn’t much different than Chi or LA. Housing costs are what get you. I recently overheard a guy in a coffeeshop on Sixth Avenue explain how one of his two monthly paychecks—i.e., 50% of his take home—went to rent. And I bet he lived in a dump. Silverfish, banging pipes and a lunatic screaming all night in the street.
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Dec 20, 2008 12:25 AM EST
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You left out the mouse sized roaches and the radio-active rats, plus the garbage stacked 8 feet high in the streets. Oh and the sirens, don’t forget the sirens blaring all night long. Now all I hear in the morning are Java Finches. Much, much better.
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Dec 20, 2008 12:30 AM EST
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Yes, the garbage. One good thing about this time of year: the huge piles of garbage were frozen and thus didn’t smell. But the maniacs in the garbage trucks persisted, regardless of weather. I’d never seen garbage trucks so large or noisy.
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Dec 20, 2008 12:40 AM EST
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Again this is nuts. You guys are acting like NYC is some dangerous hellhole with the sirens blaring all night and lunatics screamin in the streets. Yet all the stats point to the city overall being the safest big city on the continental US. That’s including the really bad areas of Brooklyn, Queens, and the Bronx. If we’re just talking about Manhattan, no other city you mentioned even comes close.
by Joe. on
Dec 20, 2008 9:31 AM EST
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Since the crack era, and with the reign of Rudy, NY obviously became a lot safer than Detroit. You don’t see deranged people on the street as much. But while that was a concern in 1980 it wasn’t the worse thing about NY. You have to fight to live there. As Spidey says below, the hypercompetitiveness is wearying. People grab and fight over seats on the bus, shopping bags, places in line, sandwiches at the deli. Try taking the Q train every day—you have to be aggressive just to get home from work. You fight with people over the smallest things, with next to no courtesy or decency. I’d rather be in a statistically less safe city where you can go about your business unmolested.
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Dec 20, 2008 1:01 PM EST
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I’ve lived there: 75 Jane St. near Hudson. There was a Benny Burrito’s on the corner. Benny woudda got arrested in Houston for selling that swill.
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Dec 20, 2008 12:28 AM EST
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You ever drink in a joint called Automatic Slims on Washington? I used to spend a fair amount of time there. Perhaps too hoity-toity for you, but a good jukebox. They also have an Automatic Slims on Second Street in Memphis. And now Miami too. Which probably sucks.
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Dec 20, 2008 12:36 AM EST
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Back then I was livin’ large – usta eat at the Four Seasons, 21 Club, the Gotham – joints like that. I was working for Turner Construction and we had an Italian subcontractor usta take us out to eat 3-4 times a week. When I went out for a beer it was usually at the Blarney Stone somewhere around E43rd. I wouldda rather been eatin’ at Mama’s in Houston and drinkin’ at one of the Texas ice houses.
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Dec 20, 2008 2:47 AM EST
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Here’s to Blarney Stones. You could see a lot of strange stuff in a Blarney Stone.
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Dec 20, 2008 12:51 PM EST
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October, 2008 – it sucked in ’68 just like it sucks in ’08.
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Dec 18, 2008 9:01 PM EST
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Yeah we’ve had this discussion before. It’s not going to go anywhere.
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Dec 18, 2008 9:13 PM EST
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Let’s just say this: I’ve been to Rome, I’ve been to Paris and I’ve been to London. NYC doesn’t even come close. “Great city in the world” definitely undermines your credibility.
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by mauichuck on
Dec 18, 2008 9:18 PM EST
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I guess it depends on how you define greatest but to me and many others it is indeed the greatest.
The most important too. Wipe away NYC and the world goes into a depression. Wipe away Rome or Paris and the world wouldn’t change a bit.
by Joe. on
Dec 18, 2008 9:23 PM EST
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Wipe away NYC
My fondest hope. However if things stay on their current course we may just find out that the most important cities in the world are Mumbai or Beijing – two other hellholes.
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Dec 18, 2008 9:28 PM EST
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Your credibility gets undermined because of how much you intensely hate the city for irrational reasons.
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Dec 18, 2008 9:30 PM EST
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I’d be depressed for a while, but I would soon get over it.
It does depend on how you define greatness. I don’t think financial might makes a great city. I’ll take Paris or Rome over NY.
by odradek on
Dec 18, 2008 10:09 PM EST
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I’ll take Scranton, Pa. over New York.
by odradek on
Dec 18, 2008 10:10 PM EST
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Wipe away NYC and the world might lose its mind; wipe away Rome and the world would lose its soul.
Yankees and Red Sox - MLB's Axis of Evil
(And ESPN is right in the middle)
by Spidey on
Dec 19, 2008 12:00 AM EST
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Rome? really? these cities have nothing on Jerusalem
Anti-Ben Fran before it was cool.
by Gradyforpresident on
Dec 19, 2008 12:24 AM EST
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Pfff. Let’s see how people react when we wipe out Tashkent.
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on
Dec 19, 2008 12:52 AM EST
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You know what we should wipe out? Those wildlife preserves. I’ve never seen them.
by Jay on
Dec 19, 2008 1:22 AM EST
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i thought when they tore down the Vet, that was the last of them…
by Brick. on
Dec 19, 2008 11:48 AM EST
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He was already set for life.
-Erik
by drerikbrady on
Dec 19, 2008 11:36 AM EST
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Seriously guys, NYC is an awesome city. Hate the teams, but you can’t hate the city.
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on
Dec 19, 2008 12:23 PM EST
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one of my favorite places, period. but it’s not perfect. it’s not worth what it costs, and things like times squared have become downright dreadful. the big problem with new york comes when it acts like the teams. when the people, usually from new jersey or something, blather on about how it’s the greatest thing. noted, but the attitude is reprehensible, like its teams. you can wipe paris and rome off the face of the earth, etc…? honestly, that’s the thing that keeps new york from being the greatest, the douchebag attitude.
by Brick. on
Dec 19, 2008 12:30 PM EST
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not sure how the d ended up on square, but it kind of works.
by Brick. on
Dec 19, 2008 12:31 PM EST
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Now you’re just grasping at straws. I obviously don’t want Rome and Paris to be wiped off the face of the Earth. It was an example to show that NYC is more important than those cities in terms of the world functioning properly.
by Joe. on
Dec 19, 2008 12:51 PM EST
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ok:
one of my favorite places, period. but it’s not perfect. it’s not worth what it costs, and things like times square have become downright dreadful. the big problem with new york comes when it acts like the teams. when the people, usually from new jersey or something, blather on about how it’s the greatest thing. noted, but the attitude is reprehensible, like its teams. that’s the thing that keeps new york from being the greatest, the douchebag attitude.
i just used that as an example because it was here – not to call you out or exhibit that as emblematic. but the attitude i’m referring to exists, and it detracts from the greatness of new york.
by Brick. on
Dec 19, 2008 1:05 PM EST
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What do you hate about Time Square? The tourists? Few actual NYC residents ever go there. It’s not like there aren’t hundreds of other places to go.
by Joe. on
Dec 19, 2008 1:07 PM EST
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yeah, the toursist, the chain everything… it’s more vegas than new york. my last 5-6 trips to new york i don’t think i went within 10-15 blocks of it. in fact i’ve ended up spending more time in brooklyn where my friends live than in manhattan.
by Brick. on
Dec 19, 2008 1:19 PM EST
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god, i need to stop drinking this early in the day….
by Brick. on
Dec 19, 2008 1:19 PM EST
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The East side is where its at. I never venture to the western part of Manhattan anymore
by Roger Dorn on
Dec 19, 2008 1:21 PM EST
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Hey! The world is functioning properly. Who knew?
by odradek on
Dec 19, 2008 1:39 PM EST
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Fair enough. I don’t suppose I’ve ever spent enough time there to notice but I can see where you’re coming from.
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on
Dec 19, 2008 1:54 PM EST
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I don’t hate New York City, for the record. I don’t even think it’s a hellhole.
by Jay on
Dec 19, 2008 12:34 PM EST
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Parts of New York are hellholes if you count the 5 boroughs. Overall, it is pretty awesome though
by Roger Dorn on
Dec 19, 2008 12:47 PM EST
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What’s the point of this? Name me one city that doesn’t have hellholes. But the ratio of sweet areas to hell holes is higher in NYC than in almost any other city in the country.
by Joe. on
Dec 19, 2008 12:50 PM EST
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I found a bag of needles while digging in the Coney Island sand this summer.
But yeah, New York is fun. I’d be living there if I could figure out a way to “get ahead” in it.
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by jhon on
Dec 19, 2008 1:23 PM EST
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Try Lahania, or Mekena, or Kula – not a hellhole in sight.
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by mauichuck on
Dec 19, 2008 5:58 PM EST
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Yea Hawaii does sound amazing. Not going to lie.
by Joe. on
Dec 20, 2008 9:32 AM EST
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Different strokes for different folks. New York is a great place to visit – and for some it is a great place to live. The problem I have is when people distort the good and the bad. You love the place – that’s wonderful. Just don’t bash other cities to make your point. (One of its faults is that New York is in a race to be the best at everything; I don’t know how all of that hyper-competitiveness can be healthy…)
Yankees and Red Sox - MLB's Axis of Evil
(And ESPN is right in the middle)
by Spidey on
Dec 19, 2008 10:09 PM EST
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What cities have I bashed? I love other cities. DC, for example, is an amazing city. Boston is another great city.
by Joe. on
Dec 19, 2008 10:32 PM EST
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I never actually lived in New York, but I spent most of my weekends there for a couple years… I never really appreciated it until then. Being an occasional visitor without your own place (in my case my girlfriend’s place) just doesn’t do it justice… I never had to pay rent, of course, so I can’t really do a full on cost-benefit analysis, but I really think it’s one of the greatest cities around. The sports teams, especially the Yankees, are effing obnoxious, but that aside, I love the city itself. And I never found the people to be rude or mean, just…straightforward.
by Logodaedalus on
Dec 20, 2008 2:59 AM EST
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Agreed completely. I love ragging on my uncle when the Mets do their annual collapse in September. I love that the Yankees lead the league in payroll and we steamrolled their asses in the playoffs in 2007. I proudly wore my Sizemore tee to a NJ bar for the Carmona/bug game and almost got my ass kicked. I love how the Knicks spend almost as recklessly as the Yankees do and are one of the worst teams in basketball. Really I enjoy all of it. But when you extrapolate the love of poking fun at those teams to hatred of the city, I get rightfully annoyed.
by Joe. on
Dec 19, 2008 12:55 PM EST
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The most robust public transportation system in the country. CHECK
World-class libraries, museums, theaters, and concert venues. CHECK
Diverse nightlife. CHECK
Beautiful people. CHECK x50
What’s not to like about New York? (Other than price?)
by JulioBernazard on
Dec 20, 2008 2:39 PM EST
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Civility – no
A sense of community – no
A good bowl of gumbo – no
One, just one, half-ass decent radio station – no
A good blues bar – no
Please spare me on the theaters – the American musical is dead, and I’d rather have ’em re-do my heart valve replacement than hafta sit through 3 hours of a Broadway play
And Julio, beautiful people? Only if you’re into black-clad troglodytes.
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by mauichuck on
Dec 20, 2008 3:05 PM EST
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I have to disagree on the first two points. Especially within neighborhoods, which are really mini cities unto themselves, I think there’s quite a sense of community. And I discussed civility a bit above. Yankees fans as a group are another story.
Gumbo? I can’t provide a specific example but I would be shocked if there weren’t some good gumbo around if you knew where to look.
by Logodaedalus on
Dec 20, 2008 9:40 PM EST
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I was shocked to Logo, what with Paul Prudhome and Emeril having restaurants in in NYC. But no, there is no gumbo in Manhattan.
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by mauichuck on
Dec 24, 2008 3:16 AM EST
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They put carrots in their gumbo in New York. That would get you in trouble in Louisiana,
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Dec 24, 2008 10:46 PM EST
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Chuck, you don’t like Hot 97? What are you nuts?
I just got back from my first legit vacay in NYC – stayed with my buddy in Queens. I had a blast and loved Manhattan. It seems like a young person’s paradise, but there is a chilling tendency for anyone over the age of 40 who has spent some time there to bash it – I would guess that there is something to this claim.
It’s interesting to hear you promote Chicago. I go to school there and NYC made me feel like CHI was small-time.
by joeee on
Dec 21, 2008 3:42 PM EST
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I’ve spent a lot of time in both and vastly prefer Chicago. And I’m 24.
by afh4 on
Dec 23, 2008 2:08 PM EST
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Chicago is cheaper. New York doesn’t offer me anything that Chicago lacks. I like dive bars, an occasional concert, good museums, and great theatre. Chicago gives me all that at a discount.
I don’t get why anyone thinks Chicago doesn’t stack up but I have an admittedly warped perspective. I initially moved here to perform comedy and Chicago treats New York like it’s little brother when it comes to anything but stand-up, so from the start I was used to people leaving for New York because they thought it’d be easier to get on stage there than it is here.
New York’s really nice I just don’t go there and think “If only Chicago had this.” They’re certainly different but I find it hard to say one or the other is better.
Just like Chicago, most of New York Youth live in a small area and hang out in a small area. I don’t give NYC any credit for being bigger because it doesn’t feel bigger-all that extra space is just more places that young college grads don’t hang out, just like the westside or the far southside.
Where do you go to school?
by afh4 on
Dec 24, 2008 8:24 PM EST
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Obviously, Manhattan is dense. I was in love with the tight residential-commercial interaction. In Chicago, everything is so damned far apart. That, and our transportation blows. NYC’s isn’t perfect; the El totally sucks. Chicago has all that NYC has, but NYC has it all a little bit better. It’s art is better. It’s residential neighborhoods are better. It’s history is cooler. It’s architecture is a little better. It’s universities are a little bit better. It’s just slightly more happenin’ in so many categories. I know nothing about the comedy scene, but I guess Chicago would be better. I still haven’t gone to Second City but I’m an idiot not to go soon.
The neighborhoods just north of the city are admittedly awesome. My buddies and I like to go to the Fullerton/Depaul/Belmont areas for weekend fiestas. Those little brownstones just north of the city are awesome and are where I’d live if I stay post-graduation. Where do you live? Where do you frequent? Are you from Cleveland? Interesting that you’d pick Chicago for reasons other than the fact that it is the more successful, grownup analog to Cleveland. The two cities are really culturally sympathetic in my opinion.
I would be willing to bet that summer-time Chicago beats New York,



