DeRosa?
Hat tip to our Orioles friend, but not you know who.
Castro says something is brewing. What are people's thoughts?
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for the main link, i linked Castro’s main page in case he adds a new post as opposed to updating the one linked in the body. anyway, he’s been the best source for breaking news lately if you want to work out your refresh button.
Another link
http://stations.espn.go.com/stations/espnradio1000/blog?id=3738908&post=3802186
Cubs fan here. It’s been big news on Cubs boards. Speculation is, we’d send DeRosa over to get some pitching to potentially flip to San Diego for a Peavy deal. Dealing DeRosa/Marquis helps clear off payroll room to allow us to potentially add Peavy/Bradley, and we added Aaron Miles as a utility guy today.
DeRosa has a one year deal worth $5.5M (which fits our supposed remaining $$ for this year).
I doubt the prospect(s) involved would have to be as costly as to what Roberts would have cost us. Although I am not sure how that helps the Cubs in the Peavy deal if we send them a Sowers type instead of a Huff type.
San Diego probably wouldn't care for a Sowers type
Just my speculation, but in the last go around, they were looking for higher ceiling youngsters. I’d imagine guys like de la Cruz, rondon, miller, Huff could get speculated on.
yea, depending on what ‘filler’ means. I assume it isn’t Laff, Huff or Atom.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
based on the last go around of Peavy rumors
I’d imagine that they’d want an upper level arm, so Huff could be in the mix as a mid-end of the rotation type lefty for San Diego. Just something to keep in mind.
but Stevens would be considered the ‘filler’ IMO, in a deal incl. Huff.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
just speculating
but maybe chicago wants to ask san diego who they prefer?
or maybe this is getting leaked out to see if a better offer can come up?
I understand your point, but it’s not as if Huff is that much of a standout prospect that would demanding that much attention (although maybe I’m going to get the wrath of Indians fans for saying that). He’s a nice mid-end of the rotation lefty, valuable, but not someone that may necessarily pop up on radars. His best asset is that he’s lefty and he’s ready.
what
I’m getting flagged for saying that?
gotcha, sorry first time here today
I like Huff, but not as much as you guys I guess.
Well, we’ll have to wait and see what the final reports are. Chicago rumors/spec suggest/indicate that this might not happen for a couple of days, to give the Peavy trade time to work itself out.
This make some sense
Stevens may fill that pen need the Padres are searching for, and add in a minor league starting caliber arm, and that does make some sense.
I will be curious if talks of a DeRosa deal getting close spurs other teams, such as the Twins, to offer something. Could be an interesting side note to follow.
Came here to mention that one of the guys people around here like (Miles) had been signed, and woo-ah. I just hope it isn’t Laffey.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
who starts in DeRosa’s place then?
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
my guess?
assuming we don’t trade him, fontenot.
although who knows, maybe Hendry tries to find another 2nd baseman.
If we make this deal, I really hate the Gutz trade.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
why's that, ooc
that was a nice deal, imo.
Don’t know what ooc means, but it would turn out that we don’t really need Valbuena.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
DeRosa is signed for one more year
and Valbuena needs another year to develop.
ooc
means out of curiosity. And we wouldn’t need Valbuena THIS year, which I think was everybody’s hope anyway. Besides, Valbuena can still get time at second if DeRosa needs to play the outfield or third base or first base or wherever. This actually makes the Gutierrez trade look better in my opinion.
this is true about his versatility, but if D-R is a short-term solution, we’d really better not be giving up much more than Stevens.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
if this is for Peavy
then I doubt it’s an A level arm. If It’s not, then maybe. But the Cubs specifically didn’t want to part with Sean Marshall in a Peavy deal, and the Padres wanted ready arms instead, which the Cubs are thin with at the top.
Just an FYI, if we gave up Huff and Stevens, that would be a more fair deal for Roberts than for DeRosa
Roberts is going to cost more
than Huff/Stevens, IMO. A lot more. A lot of teams would go after a top of the order, 2nd baseman.
Okay, let me rephrase, I think Baltimore would want a lot more, and I think other teams would offer more than a mid-end of the rotation lefty prospect and a pen arm for Roberts.
put it this way
Maybe you guys are right, but my guess is that Baltimore wouldn’t do that deal if it was offered to them.
My honest 2 cents, since I'm not an O's fan
is that, if Shapiro could’ve netted Roberts for Huff/Stevens, then he would’ve done it in a second. As valuable as a mid-end of the rotation lefty like Huff may be, you net two potential picks for Roberts and you already have Valbuena in line at 2nd base.
Ok, let me rephrase it then, if we were going to trade a higher level ceiling guy like Huff, it wouldn’t be ina deal for DerRosa, but rather in a deal for Roberts (or Peavy for that matter).
No way Shapiro gives up 2-3 high ceiling prospects for Derosa, just so the Cubs can flip him for Peavy. Shapiro would just flip those prospects to the Padres instead.
Best guess, you get one quality prospect, Stevens, that you can flip for Peavy. You’ll have to find others from different sources.
we'll have to wait and see
but we didn’t need Stevens as a pen asset to do a deal with San Diego. We have more than enough pen assets that are similar to Stevens level.
if the Cubs
don’t want to give up Marshall for Peavy, than I doubt we’d want to (or would) give up Huff for DeRosa.
a lot of teams were rumored to want DeRosa badly
Now, I don’t think he’s going to break the bank, but the amount of interest in DeRosa may spur a better return than the years remaining would suggest.
he can handle both
and he was actually a pretty solid OF this year, albeit, small sample size.
right. i think he will end up playing all of the above for us. i just wonder where he Starts to start the year…
honest guess?
I’d guess 2nd, because long term, I still think Peralta would move to 3rd. I know BA or BP speculated on Peralta at 2nd, but eh, I doubt it. That way, Valbuena slides in when he’s ready.
2008 CHC RF 38 32 266 72 72 0 0 0 1.000
2008 CHC LF 27 21 185 39 40 0 1 0 .975
2008 CHC SS 1 0 1 0 1 1 0 0 1.000
2008 CHC 3B 22 10 114 6 36 28 2 2 .944
2008 CHC 2B 95 80 670 143 336 185 8 32 .976
2008 CHC 1B 1 0 2 2 2 0 0 0 1.000
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
i tried. lol.
2008 CHC RF 38 32 266 72 72 0 0 0 1.000
2008 CHC LF 27 21 185 39 40 0 1 0 .975
2008 CHC SS 1 0 1 0 1 1 0 0 1.000
2008 CHC 3B 22 10 114 6 36 28 2 2 .944
2008 CHC 2B 95 80 670 143 336 185 8 32 .976
2008 CHC 1B 1 0 2 2 2 0 0 0 1.000
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
Looking at the defensive stats
UZR has him as below average at 2nd base (-4.2), and above average at 3rd (2.2).
BP has has him as slightly above average at both positions, so I guess overall he’s got a solid, but unspectacular glove.
that's fair
DeRosa was slightly above average last year at 2nd. I think 2nd is his best spot, but his best asset is his versatility.
OH YEA…. another great move DEROSA is a better CASEY Blake…. 21 HR plays every position bobby cox once said if he plays everyday he will win a batting title when he was with ATL… great work by Mr. Shapiro ….. the GUTZ trade still make perfect sense this just give us more time to develop our young talent
Phrandon Billups?
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
sure, but my NBA knowledge won’t be able to tell u what team he plays for.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
it took me a few seconds to remember who AI was.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
What’s his best position? Actually, it probably doesn’t matter because I think we’ve all agreed that the quality of our infield defense is maximized when Asdrubal is playing Short.
by jakesinger777 on Dec 31, 2008 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
It’s on the front page of ESPN, saying that “sources told Buster Olney”.
by jakesinger777 on Dec 31, 2008 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
The Indians and Cubs have come to a New Year’s Eve agreement on a four-player swap that brings infielder Mark DeRosa to the Tribe.
To get the versatile DeRosa, who will likely move from second base to third, the Indians are giving up three Minor League pitchers — right-handers Jeff Stevens and Chris Archer and left-hander John Gaub.
Though the 33-year-old DeRosa played primarily at second base for the Cubs, the Indians will probably move him to third to avoid disrupting their infield. The Tribe had considered moving shortstop Jhonny Peralta to third and second baseman Asdrubal Cabrera to short.
The Indians did not have to give up a single proven Major Leaguer to acquired DeRosa, who is coming off his career-best season, because of his contract status. DeRosa is entering the final year of a three-year $13 million contract that will pay him $5.5 million in 2009. He is eligible for free agency after the season.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
if he’s more above average there than at second, why not? Mind you, I’d love to get a capable SS in our infield. Shit… maybe you’re right.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
Yeah..I think the quality of the defense is maximized with Asdrubal at SS and that only happens if DeRosa plays 2B.
by jakesinger777 on Dec 31, 2008 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Gee, amazingly enough, I don’t see Huff or delaRosa in that article /sarc
by talonk on Dec 31, 2008 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I love the idea of getting another stick.
And I really like An. Reyes… but do we want to start the year with him as the #3 SP?
we should have traded Stevens for Peavy instead. dammit.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
Shapiro is really going to look foolish when Hendry trades Stevens for Peavy.
by odradek on Dec 31, 2008 1:39 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
haha
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Dec 31, 2008 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
this is bizarre
Anti-Ben Fran before it was cool.
by Gradyforpresident on Dec 31, 2008 1:39 PM EST reply actions
100K in 64IP for Gaub..wow (he was 23, but still).
by jakesinger777 on Dec 31, 2008 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
this is a great deal… fits the club house… upgrades offense… can play all over the field… and did not give up to much… this is a great move and Wedge will call him a “GRINDER” what could be better
I have a lot of friends who are cub fans seems they are upset because… “they lost the heart and sole of their club house” and added a cancer in bradley
I think they will change their tune if they get peavy out of this
It seems DeRosa is a very popular man in Chicago.
by jakesinger777 on Dec 31, 2008 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
As was the other fella we took from them.
Who, per ESPN got more $$ than Lord Fuentes.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
YEA… I think DeROSA brings a lot more then numbers… I know that we hear this a lot … but if he bring club house presence and can repeat his numbers this might be the steal of the offseason
Cubs fans assumed they would get LAFFEY… beucase they are egocentric and believe mid-market teams should give them whatever they want… THEY ARE THE CUBS
Though the 33-year-old DeRosa played primarily at second base for the Cubs, the Indians will probably move him to third to avoid disrupting their infield. The Tribe had considered moving shortstop Jhonny Peralta to third and second baseman Asdrubal Cabrera to short.
From mlb.com.
It might just be me, but if Peralta can play an average 3B, I’d very much rather have Asdrubal and DeRosa playing their best positions, SS and 2B, respectively. Our overall defense would be a lot better.
YEA… I think Peralta to third is the right move… altough I am not sure JHONNY is happy about that much….. I wonder if this mean Barfield and minor leaguer for 3rd starter??
That would have to be some minor leaguer to make that trade.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Dec 31, 2008 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
I envy you all in Cleveland……your GM has been on quite a roll since just before the deadline.
He’s done an admirable job-every one of the players he acquired have something to offer. He fleeced the Dodgers for some nice players-I think Santana and Meleon will end up in the bigs-LaPorta and a ML ready arm, Reyes for nothing you all wanted-and all he had to do was be better than Paul Byrd, so you win that trade too-he was better than Paul Byrd.
I have seen De Rosa play when he was with the Braves and the Cubs-he’s more than adequate in the field and the man can hit. You all are going to love him. Plus he buys you time to sort out the infield.
Impressive, indeed. Kudos to Mr. Shapiro! Give him another week-he’ll have your new #3 starter.
You all have a fun team to watch, even if it doesn’t work out. But it all just might work out….great, great moves.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
this really put me in a good mood to go party hopping
Anti-Ben Fran before it was cool.
by Gradyforpresident on Dec 31, 2008 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
In Shap…ya’ll know the rest.
By the way, Stevens is going to dominate the NL and we can’t be upset about that. Roberto Guerillmo Mota is pretty good in the NL.
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