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C.C. - When I come to that road, I'll cross it.

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C.C. had his promised "one time only" discussion with reporters on his decision to table contract negotiations.  It's reported here.

He recalls what a distraction the negotiations were on his extension that he signed on 4/27/05. Because of a strained oblique - he started only two games in that distracted state going 1-0 (12.2IP/10H/2R/2ER/3BB/12K).

Ascribing to the philosophy that ignorance is bliss, he's told his agents not to even tell him if the Indians up their offer during the season.  

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C.C. discusses Contract Negotiations
I take it all as PR nonsense.  His statements are perfectly consistent with a decision to enter the free agent market.  Or he could truly be planning to come back and will let his agents negotiate for the best deal with the Tribe during the season.  His comments don't tell me either way.  It's just what someone in his position should do.  There's no reason to be surprised if they announce a deal a month from now.

by dgcambridge on Feb 19, 2008 6:48 PM EST   0 recs

bah
Doesn't really matter to me if it's PR nonsense or willful ignorance -- or if he's merely being too polite to state the obvious.

He's gone gone gone gone gone.

by Jay on Feb 19, 2008 8:45 PM EST   0 recs

Re: bah
I don't take it to be so cut and dry like that.  Who cares what he says?  But if I had to put money on it...I'd have to agree.

by dgcambridge on Feb 19, 2008 10:13 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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For whoever tried to post in this thread before but kept getting an error, try it again.  I think it'll work now that I've edited the title.

by Jay on Feb 19, 2008 8:46 PM EST   0 recs

Re: C.C. - When I come to that road, I'll cross it
What is he supposed to say?  He is set for life on his current $11 million salary.  He doesn't need to make a decision now out of fear that an injury will ruin him.  Why not see how the season progresses and make a decision when it is necessary?  Live 2008 as if it is the last season and give it all you've got...  Maybe this is idealistic thought...  

If he doesn't want to make a decision now why must he have to make it?

I'm not arguing that he will sign with Cleveland, but all of this fretting about PR, negotiating through the media, and slighting CC's position seems misplaced.  

Finally, what would you do if you were in his position?  To everyone on this board not living in Cleveland, think about why you left.  Now consider that your family lives in Northern CA and there are several teams on the west coast that can afford you.  It makes it a little harder to make a huge commitment to Cleveland right now...

by Spidey on Feb 19, 2008 10:30 PM EST   0 recs

Re: C.C. - When I come to that road, I'll cross it
Now it is C.C turn to act like he still might sign with the Indians even though he knows there is no chance it is going to happen.  My question haven't we seen this before.  The correct answer is yes.  The end result is the player leaves Cleveland for more money somewhere else and then we hate our former player because they betrayed us.  

The truth is the player didn't betray us he is just going for the last dollar which doesn't mean he is an ingrate.  It just means he knows that he can get the most money somewhere else and if it doesn't work out at his new place he can always demand a trade somewhere else.  Players of C.C's caliber will end up on a winning team even if they initially sign with a non-contender.  If the player can handle a few losing seasons in a poor organization they can always whine their way to a winner willing to pay later for less time. (i.e Boston, NYY, NYM, Dodgers or Angels.  Examples Mike Lowell, Alex Rodriguez, Bobby Abreu, Johan Santana,  Vladimir Guerrero and many more.

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by E5 on Feb 19, 2008 10:50 PM EST   0 recs

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Literally none of the players you mentioned are examples of guys "whin(ing) their way to a winner willing to pay later for less time."  Not one.

by kwoog on Feb 19, 2008 11:05 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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No, it threw me at first, but I think I get it.

Lowell, A-Rod, Santana and Abreu all signed major deals with one team and later traded to a winning team before their deals were up.  The only one that doesn't fit is Guerrero, who signed with the Angels and is still there.

by Jay on Feb 19, 2008 11:40 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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Yes, but excepting Santana, all the other guys' teams wanted them (and their contract) gone.  Lowell, A-Rod, and Abreu didn't have to whine, the challenge was finding a team that would actually take them and their salaries.  Essentially, they were unwanted.  If anything, this supports your claim that going for the biggest dollar is distinct from signing with a team that has a good chance to win.

Including Guerrero is just a subtle, subconscious confession of ignorance.

by kwoog on Feb 20, 2008 10:26 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

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The punctuation (or lack thereof) made my eyes bleed so profusely that I think I missed the point of this post.
I swear, next year is it.

by fwembt on Feb 19, 2008 11:18 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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There probably isn't one.
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by Gradyforpresident on Feb 20, 2008 12:08 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

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I'm not convinced that he will be leaving "for the last dollar".  If he pulls a Mike Hampton and signs with the Rockies for $22M/year, then I will agree that he left for the money.

But, until then, I have to have to believe that CC will make the choice for values other than "status" that comes from being one of the highest paid players in all of sports.

In your examples, I think A-Rod is the only one to have whined his way onto a winner.  Lowell would have been happy to stay in Florida.  He just sucked and was not worth his contract when dealt to Boston.  The same could be said for Abreu - the Phillies were competitive and committed to building a winner - he just was not worth having on the roster (they are better without him).  Santana?  I don't think he whined at all - he was forced into the decision by management.

(Though you excluded one of the biggest whiners, Schilling)...

Still, your point can support CC's desire to wait until the end of the season.  Why would he sign with Cleveland if it's possible for the team to trade him (if the Tribe hits a slump)?  In fact, the Indians could sign him now and decide to trade him in July if they are out of the race (no-trade clauses excluded).  Man, the Tribe would be sitting in the catbird seat if they had CC at a low salary available for a trade.
 

by Spidey on Feb 20, 2008 10:17 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

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I have to have to believe that CC will make the choice for values other than "status" that comes from being one of the highest paid players in all of sports.

But why do you have to have to believe anything?

Look, I've been right about some of this and wrong about some of this.  What I have tried to do is stick to the reality, and to try to understand the player's position in life and in negotiations.  And I have relentlessly used the precedent of other players as my guide.

When I argued that C.C. might well stay, for example, it was because most top players, if they're not traded first, do choose to stay with their original teams rather than becoming free agents, passing up tens of millions in the process.  The examples of this over the past three years are several and impressive, much more impressive than the list of guys who have become free agents.  Beckett got extended, Burnett was a free agent.

Now that C.C. will become a free agent, there are few if any good examples to point to where he ends up staying in Cleveland, nor does such a decision fit with his position in life or negotiations.  If he really wanted to stay and really wanted to avoid distraction, there was one very easy way to accomplish that, right?  That's why I wrote my take on his announcement with such certitude.  The history and a reasoned analysis of his options both support that kind of certitude.

Now then, this last point, the one that you made.  Here again, the question is, where are the precedents for this?  Who are the players who left the safe haven of their hometown team and then didn't go to the highest bidder?  I think you will find that the examples of this are so scarce that it is a bit of a shock when it happens.

And therefore, based on both history and analysis of his position in life and negotiations, there is no reason to think C.C. or anybody else in his position will take anything but the highest offer.  Human beings have a gift for rationalizing that the highest offer is coming from the people who want and respect him the most; any common sense about "winner's curse" goes out the window when you yourself are the prize.

by Jay on Feb 20, 2008 11:19 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

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I'm with you once he declares at the end of the season.  But it's February.

by dgcambridge on Feb 20, 2008 12:12 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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Dave -- and I'm only going to convince you to keep your heart from breaking -- come on, now.  Time to face reality.  Nobody was more optimistic about re-signing C.C. than I was, but it's over now.

He said he won't negotiate during the season.  After the season, it's only a handful of days before he can declare for free agency, which will allow him to hear offers from other teams.  There is just no reason to believe that he won't declare for free agency, because it just wouldn't make any sense.

by Jay on Feb 20, 2008 5:08 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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Alright then, but I'm telling you where our only point of difference is on this: I think when he says that he won't negotiate during the season, that he is...just negotiating.  Nothing more.

by dgcambridge on Feb 20, 2008 6:36 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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He says:  So anyway, I saw you standing there, so I thought, (a) I could just leave you alone, (b) I could come up with an act, (c) I could just be myself.  I chose "c."  What do you think?

She says:  I think that (a) You have an act, and that (b) not having an act is your act.

by Jay on Feb 20, 2008 11:57 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: C.C. - When I come to that road, I'll cross it
Sabathia said:

"I put my heart on the line for this team and this organization and that city my whole career," he said. "I wouldn't expect the fans to react negatively to that."

This is the time for C.C. to just shut his mouth.  He made his decision, so be it.  But he shouldn't think for a minute that Indians fans won't be pissed or bitter that he's made the decision to go for the highest dollar.  

by SpringTrainingFun on Feb 20, 2008 5:04 AM EST   0 recs

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Couldn't agree more.  C.C. doesn't know anything about putting something "on the line."  He was a millionaire by age 20 and has already been paid 20 times what most fans will make in their whole lives.

He needs to get it through his skull that the fans don't owe him anything at all.  Self-serving statements like this are just part of his rationalization process, seeking out ways to feel better about leaving.

by Jay on Feb 20, 2008 6:40 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

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It's not a game, it's a business and as adults I think we recognize it as such.  I was fine (not thrilled - but OK with it) with C.C. when he stated earlier that he wanted to focus on baseball and had called off any talks of an extension until after the season.  It was a clear sign that C.C. has intentions on going to the highest bidder, so be it.  

But what does not sit well with me is when guys like him start with this type of BS.  It brings back memories of Thome saying "I want to retire as an Indian ..."  It's why some Indians fans don't have as much respect for Thome and others like him, despite the fact that he does a lot for the community in the way of volunteer work and giving money.

I have less of a problem with people seeking the most money than I do with the crap that they spew to the public about wanting to please the fans, wanting to take care of their families, etc.  Just make your decision and then be quiet.  

We have politicians who lie to us every day - we don't want to hear it from our favorite athletes as well.

Rant over ...

by SpringTrainingFun on Feb 20, 2008 9:03 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

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"Just make your decision and be quiet"

What are the choices for this decision?  What must he decide?

As I see it, he has just one: make a commitment and sign with Cleveland for $17M/year for the next 4 years.  
OR
Don't make a commitment and wait until the end of the season to see what other options are available.  

If I were in his shoes, I would wait, too.

As for the "BS" about the Indians and the fans - I would rather have him say something positive rather than neutral or negative.  We are playing for a World Series in 2008!  We need his attention and focus to the team in 2008.  If CC were to say "I don't love and I don't hate Cleveland or the fans- they are decent folk.  Good people.  I just care about baseball." - I would not feel very confident about having him on the mound when the chips are down.

All of this ranting about CC's desire to wait until the end of the season is making me think that many people want to get rid of free agency.  

by Spidey on Feb 20, 2008 9:58 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

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I've never understood the "It's not a game, it's a business" argument.  One, of course it's a game.  And two, if it's a "business", it's not like any other business in the world, b/c it's wildly protectionist... and these protectionist rules (Owners committee, MLBPU, rules on signing talent, the draft, etc etc etc) make it much, much less like a "free market business" and much more like... a game.  (say, monopoly)  Just b/c people get paid doing something does not mean that the making of money should be the number one priority of the industry and its practitioners (doctors/hospitals, police, government/politicians, etc etc etc).

Also, films, books and paintings are bought and sold.  But no one ever says about them that, "it's not art, it's a business."  Baseball is a game.  And turning down 4 years and 80 million dollars to do it where you CLAIM you want to do it is avarice, pure and simple.  If it's not, that word has no meaning.

by kwoog on Feb 20, 2008 10:42 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

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Um... plenty of people say, "It's not art, it's business."

by JulioBernazard on Feb 20, 2008 12:06 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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Hey Whoo - how about those Cavaliers?  Triple double from your boy - he busts his ass - and what?  A ten point loss at home against the fourth best team in the Western Conference.

See, that's what I'm talkin' about.  I want him worn to a nub and the Cavs in the fifth seed come play-off time.  A year or two of that and he'll be screamin' for a trade.

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Feb 20, 2008 12:21 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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HOU is actually T-7th, not 4th, out west, but they're one of the hottest teams in the game.

The triple-double is a little tainted, as LBJ wnet 0-fer from the floor in the in first half.

I'll give the team a pass for an All-Star hangover if they can beat IND tonight.

by JulioBernazard on Feb 20, 2008 12:49 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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How ABOUT those Cavs? Win on the road in the second half of a back-to-back. LeBron gets his 2nd consecutive triple double, while 4 other Cavs score in double digits.

by JulioBernazard on Feb 20, 2008 9:31 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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31-14-12.  Wow.

If Chuck actually likes basketball (and I suspect that he does not), he's missing out because of a pretty silly stance.  His loss.

Anyway, now we watch the trade wire...

by dgcambridge on Feb 20, 2008 9:36 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: C.C.
Mike Miller would look very nice in wine and gold.

Why I'm happy to "deal with it" re LeBron: "My game is not just go out and score, it's about getting others involved and helping each other on the defensive end."

by JulioBernazard on Feb 21, 2008 11:20 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: C.C.
If you value your sanity, stay away from here today:

http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm

by dgcambridge on Feb 21, 2008 11:54 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

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I guess the rumor was Ben Wallace.  Probably heavy on the RUMOR part.

by dgcambridge on Feb 21, 2008 1:42 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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Don't do this, Ferry. It makes no sense.

by JulioBernazard on Feb 21, 2008 3:21 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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Dag. I'm looking forward to Delonte and Wally, but not Big Ben.

by JulioBernazard on Feb 21, 2008 5:56 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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Two broken down players - Wallace and Szczerbiak - one  better than average three and a guard with "potential", for an under appreciated power forward who can score - when he wants to - a broken down three, a one with real potential and an albatross.  All and all a wash.  Now given the fact that it'll take some time for this hodge podge to gel - I figure they'll finish in the number 5 seed and get dumped in the first round.

My evil plan is working.  

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Feb 21, 2008 7:48 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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Dumped in the 1st round is right. By the Euro Raptors that became even more hilariously fair-skinned today with the addition of Brezec.

I know that you don't construct your lineup around beating one particular team, but the way to beat my Raps is to attack our D with atheleticism from your non-#1 option. So getting rid of Hughes suits me just fine for a 1st round Raps-Cavs matchup. Although Wallace will destroy us on the offensive boards since we can't control defensive rebounds to save our life.

by supermarioelia on Feb 21, 2008 8:04 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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It should be fun.   If we were relying on Larry Hughes "athleticism" against anybody though, we'd have no chance.

by dgcambridge on Feb 21, 2008 11:01 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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Cavs-Bulls down to the wire.

by dgcambridge on Feb 21, 2008 2:43 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: C.C. - When I come to that road, I'll cross it
Actually I love basketball - even pro basketball.  But it's not like the Cavs beat the '72 Lakers last night is it.

My stance is far from "silly" it's how a Cleveland guy responds to a slap in the face.

What is amazing to me is your caprophagic response to a Cleveland "superstar".  I don't know about you, but when I'm insulted and have my nose rubbed im it I get a little angry.

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Feb 21, 2008 11:47 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

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Well, we just strongly disagree on this.  I'd call it a trivial disappointment in the grand scheme of things.  I see a local kid that came in with an near-impossible set of expectations, higher than we've probably ever seen, as it hitting them at about a 96% success rate.

No one's changing their mind here, of course.  All fun.

Now I have to go look up "caprophagic."

by dgcambridge on Feb 21, 2008 11:59 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

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I think he may have misspelled it, but what a great word.
Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Feb 21, 2008 12:08 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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Here ya go  Yeah I guess I misspelled it - although I do believe the "a" version is an alternate to the "o" version.  Who cares?
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Feb 21, 2008 12:33 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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Ah Chuck, sorry. I didn't mean to call you out for the misspelling. I was just trying to confirm that it was the word I thought your were using, since I actually know that word. Didn't mean to come off as a compound noun there.
Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Feb 21, 2008 1:12 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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No worries mate - I can't spell for copra anyway.
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Feb 21, 2008 1:59 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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Kwoog let me tell you that you are wrong about doctors/hospitals.  Hospitals are run to make money and satisfy the doc's egos.  

Whenever a patient's outcome clashes with either of those drivers the patient has about the same winning percentage as the D-Rays.

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Feb 20, 2008 12:18 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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Well, obviously I think that's wrong.  

My point is, no matter what economy you talk about, there have always been sects of industry that are regulated in ways that are not based on "pure business."  Ie, they are not meant to be pure-profit making.  And I think playing a game should be looked at similarly (as it already is, when one considers all the protectionist/anti-free market rules: pre/post-arbitration salary limits, bargaining agreements, restrictions of league size and ability to own a team, salary caps-in other sports, revenue sharing, tax funded stadiums, etc etc etc).  

Thus, CC's playing a game in an isolated and strictly regulated market, he's not a businessman.  He's a pitcher.

by kwoog on Feb 20, 2008 12:54 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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You hang on to that dream, Kwoog.  

Here's the only time I agree with Anne Rand, any time there are rules put in place to govern the profitablity of any organization, somebody will find a way to twist them to their advantage.  And they'll use terms like "for the benefit of all" or "to level the playing field".  In the end it's all about self-interest - and taking home the most Benjamins.

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Feb 20, 2008 1:41 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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Yeah, I knew that a nanosecond after I posted it.  FWIW, I hate her almost as much as I hate LeBron.
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Feb 20, 2008 3:07 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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Instinctively, or ideologically?

This is getting weird.  Ok.  You brought her up.  Why do you need a strawman enemy to talk about markets?  Newsflash:  Ayn isn't that important. Spare me the Greenspan conspiracy.

(Not that I've bothered to read anything of hers.  Being an architect, I'm often asked by non-architects if I've read "The Fountainhead", as if it's an important work of lit in our field.  No, I haven't read the damn book.)

Why are so many people so intensely bothered by her?  Seems to me that her opposition vastly outnumber her admirers--as if she's a prop. This suggests--to me--that her enemies feel vulnerable and that she probably has some very good points; that, however juvenile her work might be, she's on to something.

I am finding it harder and harder to surpress my own political feelings around here.

So, what are you Chuck?  An intellectual, or an anti-intellectual?  I'm confused.  You seem to go down both paths at once.

by jhon on Feb 20, 2008 3:27 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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John --

I think we're getting a bit to far into the politics. I'll say this... I've read some Rand, and I hate it. I'd be happy to discuss why sometime, outside of LGT.

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Feb 20, 2008 3:45 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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So, what are you Chuck?  An intellectual, or an anti-intellectual?

Yes

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Feb 20, 2008 4:20 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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No need to read the book, just watch the movie on AMC sometime very, very late at night.  It's laughably bad, even if Patricia Neal and Gary Cooper are in it.  Cooper's exceptionally awful in it.

Hey, sorry to get everybody off-track.  Speaking of which, anybody else wanna talk about "The Wire"?

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Feb 20, 2008 4:24 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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ME ME ME ME ME MEMEM EMEMMEMEMEMEMEMEMEME
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by Gradyforpresident on Feb 20, 2008 5:31 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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I don't think CC majored in philosophy, psychology, or economics in college.

by palcal on Feb 20, 2008 4:28 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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Something tells me it's not.

On a personal note, I hate telling people I work for the RAND Corporation and having them assume it's something to do with her.

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Feb 20, 2008 3:07 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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Once is one too many, re: Rand.  Self-interest is not human nature, b/c human nature is not behavioral.  Humans' only "nature" is the unique capacity for an extremely large spectrum of possible behaviors: Eg, to be capable of both selfishness and selflessness.  Thus, intelligence and ethics is what we must use to decide between which to be.  The ability to choose is our nature, not the inevitablility of one choice over another.  To state otherwise is one of the greatest lies ever propogated.  How many times must Milton Friedman be proved not only thoroughly wrong, but immoral?

As far as people taking advantage of rules, Chuck, there is only one remedy for that: Democracy.  Break power up into the smallest possible pieces... bottom-up power structure.  Then an individual cannot "take advantage."

In the end, CC is being greedy.  Whether or not he has the cahunas to admit it, I couldn't care less.  But to look on while he does it, throw your hands up in the air and say being greedy is just someone's "right"... that is where I jump ship.

Sorry if this is too non-baseball, I consider it just good ol' ideas, somewhat relevant to CC's decision making.  All in good fun.

by kwoog on Feb 20, 2008 3:43 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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C.C. may be being greedy, but it's certainly not the only emotion he's drawing on in negotiations. Spidey pointed out in one of his above posts that he could easily end up closer to home in CA.

by Voltaire on Feb 20, 2008 3:47 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: C.C. - When I come to that road, I'll cross it
Totally true... probably way off topic by this point, I'll fall on my sword and go back to lurking and learning things from APV about baseball.

by kwoog on Feb 20, 2008 3:49 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: C.C. - When I come to that road, I'll cross it
Oh, no need to lurk - the more adding to the discussion the better!

by Voltaire on Feb 20, 2008 3:58 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: C.C. - When I come to that road, I'll cross it
Loved the comments on human nature and economics.  Baseball is life, so we should expect such tangential discussions on this board.

by Spidey on Feb 21, 2008 12:59 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: C.C. - When I come to that road, I'll cross it
"How many times must Milton Friedman be proved not only thoroughly wrong, but immoral?"

Oof.  This is ugly screed.  C'mon guys.

by jhon on Feb 20, 2008 3:53 PM EST to parent up   0 recs