Spring Training Roundup
Today's shining example of kinesiology in action comes courtesy of Cliff Lee, who's been doing what it takes to prepare for the 2008 season.
And just in case the sit-ups don't work, he'll have to locate his pitches better, especially if he doesn't alter his pitching mentality.
"That's his aggressive nature, going right after guys," Willis said. "It's hard to find a happy medium, because you never want to take away a guy's aggressiveness."
Lee is the favorite to be the Indians' fifth starter by virtue of his guaranteed contract, although there is a limit to the Indians' patience. What worked in 2005 isn't necesarily going to work in 2008: unless a pitcher is blessed with unhittable stuff, hitters will eventually catch onto your patterns. And if you can't locate the one pitch you rely on, well, 2007 happens.
Masa Kobayashi made his Spring Training debut on Friday, and the batters that faced him came away impressed - if that means anything:
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"It looks like he's deceptive and he has pretty good control," said Michaels.
Probably the most interesting story of Spring Training, though, is the resumption of a long-simmering feud between Casey Blake and Travis Hafner. The feud, strangely enough, surfaces only in Spring Training, when stories are sparse. This year's point of contention: talking on the cell phone.
"I can't take this anymore," said Hafner. "He's getting a cab. I give him a ride, and he's on his cell phone all the time. I can't listen to the radio, and I can't talk to him."
Hafner, seemingly plotting revenge, said he's trained his 20-pound Australian terrier, Rudi, to attack Blake.
"The dog tried to bite my pinky toe," said an unconcerned Blake. "When we first got down here, I'd send my girls over to walk it. They're 4 and 6 so what does that tell you about the dog?"
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Give it a rest. Your obnoxious insistence on this line of comments is insufferable.
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And let me present my bona fides. I'm old - very old. I haven't touched a weight in over four years. I've never done exercises with any kinda beach ball. When I was seriously lifting weights it was almost exclusively old school - benches, squats, militaries, dead lifts, good mornings, cleans and jerks. None of this "kineseology" stuff - strickly neanderthal lifting with a bunch of sweatly guys in smelly gyms.
So there's not much left of me - probably can't do 50% of my previous max - be lucky to do 35% of my maximum reps with 225. But here's the bet: even in my extremely debilitated state I can do more bench presse with 225 than E5 can. You interested E?
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I hope Miller is able to get through Spring Training with his finger in shape. No news is good news there.
Last year at this time I mocked Grit, but this year I find myself pleased at what I hear from Delucci. I hope he does find a way to win ballgames.
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"Rookie left-hander Chuck Lofgren made a nice running catch in right-center field on a long drive by Jhonny Peralta."
Am I missing something here? Why is Lofgren playing the outfield?
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What am I forgetting here? I could have sworn they used up the last one last year?
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By the way, I will fly from San Francisco to the site of this contest and film the event, should it happen, so it can be viewed by everyone. While it would probably work as a PPV event, in the spirit of genorisity, I would post it free of charge. (That said, it would be nice if this event was actaully in Maui.)
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Now that was the weirdest gym I ever went to.
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- played Henry Miller
- solid roles in a couple Altman flicks, Short Cuts and The Player
- also in The Right Stuff, Silkwood and Bob Roberts
- played Joe Dirt's dad
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Although my screen name was never intended as a tribute to the great Mr. Ward, perhaps now it is.
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how did that not pan out?
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Q: I noticed you recently said LeBron James has become "much less of a difficult person to be around." What exactly do you mean? What was he like before? -- Paul Hayes, Melbourne, Australia
A: He had been very difficult, especially at the World Championships. He was ordering staff members around and it got to a point where one player even yelled out on the team bus one day that maybe James would say thank you on occasion when some poor kid did something for him. Youth, I guess, and wealth too fast. It had gotten to a point there was even some talk about leaving him off the team. Staffers and everyone said he was a different guy last summer, humble and helpful.
I know it's just one data point and all, but......
Eventually you'll see, this humble, helpful stuff is just an act. He's a punk.
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Obviously, I haven't met James. I've known one person who has worked with him on the agent side, and only reported good things about him. I have met Maverick briefly, and he was fairly down to earth. I've also met Chuck briefly, and he was a very nice guy too. Anyway, I have no reason to discount Smith's story. It's good to hear that a veteran player was willing to shout him down a little. I don't know who might do that on the current team. My money's on Eric Snow.
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Honestly though, I like Casey from a human being and a versatility standpoint. He's just meh with a bat.
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"Oh, sorry dude, I guess I'm just that unclutch."
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B) Not letting Casey actually play, and
C) Replaces everyone's favorite third base coach.
It was obviously just a bit of sarcasm. I'm sure he could grittily determinate a bullpen catching job if coaching third doesn't suit him.
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- Adam Miller reopened the famous middle finger blister and is now straight shut down until it is completely healed.
- Jake Westbrook scratched from first Grapefruit League start tomorrow due to general arm soreness.
- First intrasquad game results: we won! Peralta and Garko go deep off Borowski in the first inning. Michael Aubrey with a double and a 3 run dinger off Laffey. BenFran 3-3 with a double and 2 SB's.
- Aubrey is actually healthy and has a new custom "cross your fingers" 1B mitt that he hopes will last the season. Wedge has already noted early on that he has MLB quality tools on offense and defense and simply needs to stay on the field this year, wherever he plays.
- Second intrasquad today rained out. Play against teams begins tomorrow at 1:05. Get yer mlb.tv!
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Odds are we will find a way to keep a space for him on the 40-man at least for one more year, so if he can stay healthy, he just might be a significant player for the Indians, even after all this time.
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- When was he added to the 40-man roster?
- In which seasons has he used up an option?
The second question is basically just looking to see when, after his contract being purchased, he spent time in the minors. In Cliff's case, you can actually tell just at a glance that he probably has an option left. He had what appears to be a September callup in 2002, and there would have been no reason to add him to the 40-man before that moment, since that was the end of only his third pro season. Remember that September callups don't get sent back down in that season, so no option is used up.
After that point, he clearly used up options in 2003 and 2007, but that's it. So he must have one option left, but the Indians are not completely free to use it. As with last season, he'd have to clear revocable waivers first -- the same kind a player has to clear in order to be traded in August. (This requirement is based on several years having passed since his debut, too complicated to get into here.) This could turn out to be the mechanism by which he's traded, and in fact there's even a small chance they'd just dump his contract on the claiming club.
The other hindrance on that option is that Lee will reach five full years of service time in mid-June, assuming he isn't demoted by them. At that point, he'll have the right to refuse any optional assignment, and players generally do and Cliff likely would. The team's hands really are tied at that point, as they are still on the hook for the guaranteed contract even if they release him.
The fourth option thing is a little hairy, but it only really comes up in situations where either (a) a prospect has been chronically injured, and (b) a prospect was signed to a major league deal and started using up options immediately.
A player only gets a fourth in a situation where he (a) has used up three options already, but (b) hasn't spent five "full seasons" on the active roster of a minor league club. "Active roster" means not on the DL, but you also have to know what does and doesn't count as a "full season," and that is: (a) at least 90 days on the active roster, or the first 60 days of the season, (b) there's no fractional credit for a season like with big-league service time, each season is either a 1 or a 0, (c) short-season leagues don't count, so we're talking about A, A-advanced, AA and AAA only.
So here again, you can generally eyeball this just by looking at a guy's stat page, though occasionally you'd dig for more research just to be sure whether a season counts as a full season, based on what dates specifically he was active. Here again, in Aubrey's case, it's actually pretty clear-cut.
- Added to 40-man after 2005 season when his Rule 5 protection ran out (three years for college players under the old CBA)
- Options used in 2006, 2007, third one in 2008.
- 2003 -- not a full season, even if you signed and reported on the day of the draft, you still couldn't get in 90 days before the season ended.
- 2004 -- full season, obvious, played in 98 games.
- 2005 -- not a full season, only played in 28 games, highly improbable he spent 90 days or the first 60 off the DL.
- 2006 -- not a full season, only played in 14 games.
- 2007 -- dubious with 65 games played, but probably not.
Looking at it another way, once a player is added to the 40-man in November, he usually will have two full seasons credited already. If he doesn't, he likely will get a fourth option, because at that point, the player has used 0 options and has only 0 or 1 full seasons credited. Three seasons later, he'd have 3 options used and at most 4 full seasons credited, so the fourth option kicks in.
Based on that, we essentially already knew when Aubrey was added to the 40-man that we would get four option years on him -- if we needed them.
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- Thank you so much for this.
- This is great stuff. I'm not sure why I find this stuff so fascinating, but it is.
- I have bookmarked this as I will need it again.
- I need to read this about 10 more times when I'm not at work, then still might have a follow up question or two.
- The second to last paragraph confused me a bit. I may choose not to look at it another way because the rest of it seemed to make sense.
- That frist link is very handy.
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Another wrinkle is that you rack up service time even when you're on the DL. So if Cliff goes on the DL sometime before the end of May, don't be surprised if they option him to Buffalo once he comes off the DL, even after completing a rehab assignment. They would have every reason to be cautious in that situation, letting him work out any injury or performance kinks before bringing him back up to the majors.
As an aside, the Indians have no service-time incentive to keep Cliff in the minors, since they already hold a club option for an "extra year" (2010) beyond his expected free agency.
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