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Foulke signs

Keith Foulke signed a contract with the Athletics Friday.  The A's expect him to make the team as a setup guy, along with Alan Embree, for Huston Street.  Foulke also considered Arizona, San Diego, and the Mets among the more than 20 teams he auditioned for.

Here is the link to the article on the A's website.

Assuming he makes the team, the Indians will get to see the guy who was almost their teammate last year when they play in Oakland the first weekend of the season.

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Re: Foulke signs
Did the Indians want him anymore?

by DixonCayne on Feb 9, 2008 8:14 AM EST reply actions  

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In the thread on Schilling, there seemed to be some negativety toward Foulke from some LGT regulars.  What am I missing?  Last year he did quit, but before we owed him any money.  He had no reason to do that, that I know of, other than to be a good guy.  He was hurt and I no longer wanted him with us.  Maybe he didn't want to rehab with the Tribe.  I don't want him on my team anymore, but convince me that I should root against him.  I'm willing to listen.  From my perspective, he's no Pedroia.
Where have you gone Joe Charboneau

by Nof on Feb 9, 2008 9:41 AM EST reply actions  

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It was a bit weird the way he retired - we only signed him a month earlier and he hadn't even pitched for us before retiring.  If a guy retires in the middle of a contract or after he feels pain in a game, that's fine, but it was different to some because he just changed his mind.  Some also might have thought that Foulke was thinking that the Indians weren't good enough for him, but that's not a popular opinion.

by Thommy on Feb 9, 2008 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

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So you'd rather we be stuck with the $5 million salary?

The guy changed his mind. He had every right to do that.

by Voltaire on Feb 10, 2008 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

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Hi -

Please read the post I responded to, the reread my post.  Pay special attention to the words "some" in my post.

It was a bit odd the way he hung 'em up, we were all surprised - that is pretty close to fact.  My other two statements tried to explain why others may feel animosity towards him, since that was the original question.

by Thommy on Feb 10, 2008 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

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Didn't we waive J Guthrie to open a roster spot for him? That's MY problem with Foulke.

by JulioBernazard on Feb 9, 2008 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

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Nope, it was Sikorski who got waived on 1/4/07

Foulke retired on 2/16/07.

Guthrie was designated when Trot Nixon signed on 1/19/07.

by talonk on Feb 9, 2008 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

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Fact is, though, Guthrie probably doesn't get waived at least until March if we don't sign Foulke.  Hard to see him making the 25-man, though, which is why we lost him.

by Jay on Feb 10, 2008 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

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I agree Jay, I was just pointing out the actual timeline. My guess is that if he was still on the 40 come spring training last year, he had less than a 5% chance of sticking, just because of his option status.

by talonk on Feb 11, 2008 12:03 AM EST up reply actions  

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In other news not worthy of a diary, the Indians have invited Scott Elarton to camp.  Joy.

by APV on Feb 9, 2008 10:06 AM EST reply actions  

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I've had this hunch there is a second act to Elarton's career where he's a solid reliever for 2-5 years.  But he has to be convinced he can't start anymore before it can happen.

by Jay on Feb 9, 2008 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

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Really?  What would his 'pitch' be as a reliever?  I always thought his strength as a pitcher was his ability to pitch five innings without inadvertently hitting himself in the back of the head...

by APV on Feb 9, 2008 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

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How many of us would kill for that kind of ability.

by DixonCayne on Feb 10, 2008 8:09 AM EST up reply actions  

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I have no idea.  It just seems like he's one of those guys always right around replacement level as a starter, and the difference in the demands of the role could make all the difference.

Elarton's first-inning numbers actually are not good, but being a reliever is not like being a one-inning starter.  As a reliever, you don't have to establish your fastball and then work off it -- and your fastball is better anyway.  He may be able to change speeds a lot better, or his control might be more stable.

Over his career (93% as a starter), he's got good numbers against first batters, and the difference between first PA and second PA (same batter in the same game) is significant -- a little more K, a little less HR -- which suggests batters adjust to his deception and movement over the course of a game.  Take only those PA, and add in a little more velocity and separation, and who knows?

by Jay on Feb 10, 2008 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

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When the Indians signed Elarton at the end of last year and had him throwing out of the pen in Buffalo,  I thought he'd got a shot.

His best work at the major league level is arguably his time spent in the Houston bullpen in parts of his first two years in the big leagues.

Then you look at his numbers in Buffalo last year.  Granted, it was only 18 innings and he was probably used in not-so-close games, but he had a little success.

I'm not saying I'd keep him over Tom Mastny, and guys like Jorge Julio might figure something out, but Elarton's not a bad last man on the staff.

by rick @ Let's Go Tribe! on Feb 9, 2008 9:12 PM EST up reply actions  

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I dunno.  Does anyone recall those thrilling days of yesteryear, when Scott Elarton was our 5th starter ?  They were painful to watch.  
He signed a free agent contract with Kansas City, was vastly overpaid, gladly took the money, and was the Royals  
opening day starter in 2006, if memory serves me.  Later was injured.
He gets by, barely, on questionable stuff. Fastball is a real feast for hitters. ERA over 10 last year, limited innings.
May be able to get 1/2 the batters out emerging from the bullpen.  Wonder why we bother with such signings.  It's not a serious attempt to improve.
Great remarks by APV and DixonCayne.

by DenverIndian on Feb 10, 2008 3:31 PM EST reply actions  

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Read the article on indians.com. We signed him as a favor. He's a classic case of a veteran auditioning for the league. He has no shot of making our club. Zero.

by Voltaire on Feb 11, 2008 9:00 AM EST up reply actions  

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No Shot?  Zero?  He's a reliver for God'ssake.  Hard as it may be to penetrate the circle of trust, the final spots are pretty up-for-grabs. You and I have a zero chance. Like it or not, he does have a chance.  

by jhon on Feb 11, 2008 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

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I repeat:  We got Betancourt, Howry and Blake from exactly those kinds of signings.  Betancourt and Blake had no major league track record to speak of, and as for Howry ...

2001 - 79 IP, 4.69 ERA
2002 - 69 IP, 4.19 ERA
2003 - 4 IP, 12.46 ERA
2004 - signed by Indians to a minor league deal

Now I wonder what a sharp guy like you was saying when we signed Howry.  I imagine it was something brilliant like this:

Wonder why we bother with such signings.  It's not a serious attempt to improve.

Howry pitched 1.5 seasons for the Indians with a 2.57 ERA.  He was guaranteed less than $100,000 and eventually paid about $1.1 million.

Betancourt has pitched 4.5 seasons for the Indians with a 2.80 ERA.  He was guaranteed less than $100,000 and has been paid only about $2 million so far.  The Indians also control his rights for another three seasons at bargain rates.

Blake has been an everyday player for the Indians for five entire seasons, with all-around production that is almost exactly average for major league starters.  He has been versatile -- 443 games at 3B, 238 games in RF and 64 games at 1B -- and rather durable, spending only seven weeks on the DL (in 2006) and starting all but two games per month outside of that.  He was guaranteed less than $50,000 and has been about $10 million over those five seasons.  The Indians control his rights for one more season at a reasonable rate.

And that, my friend, is why we bother with signings like this.  It takes work to scout minor league free agents looking for a spot, work to recruit former major leaguers and failed prospects into a non-roster contract, work to rehab or develop them.  The Indians put in the work, for 20 or 30 guys, hoping to dig up three.

But I guess you'd rather they just sign a guy like Carlos Lee for $100 million.  I guess that's the kind of thing you would consider "a serious attempt to improve."

I respect the work, beating the bushes, trusting your scouts, building an organization that's becoming known for rehabbing guys and resuscitating careers.  That is a serious endeavor, as I see it, and I don't see anything particularly serious about writing a big check.

by Jay on Feb 11, 2008 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

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