Inge or Crede?
As I see it, third base is the biggest concern for the tribe in 08. Blake's defense is horrible and he is not getting any younger. Marte could be good defensively, but I've seen alot of balls eat him up, and he is never going to hit.
The white sox may be looking to dump Crede, and the tigers may want to trade Inge. Both of these guys would be huge upgrades defensively (especially Inge), and the tribe may have 3 groundball starting pitchers. Both haven't hit much recently (and will never hit for average), but they both have power. Is there anyway the tribe can get one of these guys? I think they can be had cheaply, and possibly even cheaper as the season progresses (and one or both of them is stuck on the bench). Probably the best thing to do is wait, hope 3B isn't a disaster, and be ready to act.
I know teams don't like to deal with division rivals. Have teams ever used another team as an intermediary to get around this (e.g. the tigers trade Inge to the pirates, who turn around and deal him to the tribe)? Poor defense was a big reason for the poor 06, I'd hate to see it again in 08.
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by crazymoloh on Mar 14, 2008 11:31 AM EDT 0 recs
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Our infield defense was atrocious at all four positions, especially in the first half, and that absolutely cost us dearly. Not only did we give up more runs as a direct result, but our starters left games significantly earlier, putting extra strain on the bullpen. There's a good argument that the infield defense basically delivered the death blow to a bullpen that was already scuffling.
The bullpen appears at first glance to be the biggest problem with the 2006 squad, but the bullpen did not have a spillover effect on the infield defense, while the infield defense most definitely had a spillover effect on the bullpen.
I'm stressing the infield because our outfield defense generally was very good and in fact had no weak spots, while the infield defense was below-average to awful at all four positions. Victor also had his problems that season, but the effect was miniscule compared to the other four.
by Jay on
Mar 14, 2008 11:48 AM EDT
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by crazymoloh on
Mar 14, 2008 12:01 PM EDT
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The new format has been extremely well received overall. It doesn't address every possible complaint, but it is a big improvement. "Reply to This" really is much nicer to use, and I think the inclusion of (tastefully tiny) avatars is nice, too. The flag/recommend feature is nice, again, not overdone, and I know everyone will be relieved to have FanShots, which are basically mini-Diaries for posting a link or picture.
It's good stuff, I'm looking forward to it.
by Jay on
Mar 14, 2008 12:17 PM EDT
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by Jay on
Mar 14, 2008 12:44 PM EDT
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While I have always loved Brandon Inge as a player (I'm a sucker for a flashy infield glove, esp. at 3B), he's due ~$19MM over the next 3 seasons and he doesn't hit. Pass.
Looks to me like we're going to get through another year with Blake at 3B, with the FO hoping that Marte forces their hand at some point. And if he doesn't, we'll still have options in 2009 -- bring back Blake as an FA, try Marte (again), move Peralta to 3B, or hand the job to a kid like Hodges or Mills. Point being, we absolutely don't need to panic and overpay for a "name" like Crede or Inge.
by mrich on Mar 14, 2008 11:37 AM EDT 0 recs
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The indians haven't had a decent third basemen since Matt Williams (Fryman hit OK 1 year, but his defense was poor). I've got hope for Mills or Hodges, but that is just hope, and it is at least 2 years away. This team is contending now, and a stop-gap would be most useful.
by oxforddave on
Mar 14, 2008 12:28 PM EDT
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by Jay on
Mar 14, 2008 12:46 PM EDT
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from what I have read from http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/ the Giants kept offering guys they were about (or did) release, or Dave Roberts, and the Sox want top level talent. Add that to being a Divisional rival and who knows what they would ask for.
by vaugheyj on
Mar 14, 2008 1:27 PM EDT
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Blake was actually good for 708 RZR last season (3rd in AL). Inge was good for a 712 RZR. They were about equal defensively.
by gte619n on Mar 14, 2008 11:41 AM EDT 0 recs
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by hans on
Mar 14, 2008 4:59 PM EDT
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by Jay on Mar 14, 2008 11:50 AM EDT 0 recs
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by zempf on
Mar 14, 2008 12:31 PM EDT
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by JulioBernazard on Mar 14, 2008 11:57 AM EDT 0 recs
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How about your Cavs? Lose to the Nets - without Jason Kidd and follow that up with a loss to the Wizards - the Wizards for godsakes - and without Gilbert Arenas to boot. And you expect them to do something in the play-offs? Good luck with that. You didn't know that I've got inside help - Danny Ferry - with the Cavs rapid decline, did you?
Meanwhile a team lead by a true character guy - Tracy MacGrady - has won 21 straight and already has more wins than the Cavs will put up for the whole season.
Yep, LeJerk's gonna be demanding a trade this summer while he's playing basketball in China. Can't wait.
by mauichuck on
Mar 15, 2008 1:49 PM EDT
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Z will be back. I'm happy Sacha looks un-lost. Need WallyWorld to wake up.
There's time for this club to jell, Chuck. Plenty of time.
by JulioBernazard on
Mar 15, 2008 7:58 PM EDT
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Here you have someone dropping by to rip on your (our) team after every disappointing loss, (and by the way - who the hell does that? I've got friends who are fans of various other teams in every sport, across the country, and none act like that. This is like the dorks on the sportsline message boards) and you take it in stride. I'm being straight up: I'm impressed.
by dgcambridge on
Mar 15, 2008 10:23 PM EDT
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Here's an idea you might embrace: being an Indian's fan does not obligate me to be a Cavs fan too. Kinda like being a native Northern Ohioan and a star athlete on one of their professional sports team does not require you to root for the local baseball club.
by mauichuck on
Mar 15, 2008 10:38 PM EDT
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Hey, if a White Sox or Twins fan came on here and started busting on the Tribe after every loss (which hasn't happened to my knowledge), or a Steelers fan regarding the Browns, I'd chase them around a little too - until I became bored with it. I think we're in the home stretch.
by dgcambridge on
Mar 15, 2008 11:02 PM EDT
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Julio and I have been fencing with one another about the Cavs for the last few months - we've got a bet on the Cavs final record. Right now it looks like I'll owe him a beer or six. Sometimes he jabs me - like when the Cavs win - and sometimes I jab him. But understand this: I'm one of the most rabid Indians fans you know and an unappologetic Clevelandophile. People who know me will tell you that me busting on a Cleveland team - any Cleveland team - is entirely out of character. But that's how much Mr. James and his entoutage piss me off.
by mauichuck on
Mar 15, 2008 11:12 PM EDT
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if lebron and his play don't please you, what does?
by sandwich on
Mar 16, 2008 3:45 AM EDT
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Thing is, I understand what's going on here, and that it's playful, but Dave still makes a good point. If it's really just between you and Julio, maybe you should get a private room. For anyone who doesn't know the whole context, these little spats do look pretty trolly.
One other note, while nobody is obligated to be a Cavs fan here, it is just common sense that 90% of the readers and posters will be Cavs and Browns fans, so that ought to be respected.
by Jay on
Mar 16, 2008 11:40 AM EDT
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by mauichuck on
Mar 16, 2008 12:38 PM EDT
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by Jay on
Mar 16, 2008 8:02 PM EDT
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- Cavs win #42 (assuring that I'll win the bet)
- End of regular season (final beer total computation)
- Cavs take the title
by JulioBernazard on
Mar 17, 2008 8:53 AM EDT
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by JulioBernazard on
Mar 16, 2008 11:29 AM EDT
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http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bk/bkn/4591942.html
by JulioBernazard on
Mar 15, 2008 8:03 PM EDT
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BTW, Tracy's doin' it after loosing a much better center than Z and playing in the West while James's team can't even beat the Eastern slugs - big difference.
by mauichuck on
Mar 15, 2008 8:11 PM EDT
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First it was the Sasha/Andy holdouts. Then the slew of injuries ... Sasha, Andy, Gibson, Z ....
Look I'm not as keen as I was before on the Cavs repeating their run to the conference finals, mainly due to the fact they are not going to get in synch with all the transition/injuries. But I still say it will take another's teams best shot to take 4 of 7 if LeBron's on his game. They may not win 50, but if they are over .500, they are a tough out for any other team (provided they are mostly healthy of course).
by talonk on
Mar 16, 2008 12:20 AM EDT
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The streak is an amazing accomplishment, and speaks to the team defense being played in HOU.
Yes, Yao is better than Z, but he turns the pill over a lot more than our favorite Lithuanian. Losing either guy is a big blow.
by JulioBernazard on
Mar 16, 2008 10:37 AM EDT
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by JulioBernazard on
Mar 16, 2008 11:28 AM EDT
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You're kidding, right? Is there something I'm missing here?
by sandwich on
Mar 16, 2008 11:29 PM EDT
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by jhon on
Mar 17, 2008 11:35 AM EDT
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Now, if we could dump Casey (and another player) for Crede at mid-season when the White Sox are already 10 games out ... that would be great. Assuming that Crede can return to 2005 form.
by Toxicadam on Mar 14, 2008 12:32 PM EDT 0 recs
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Mar 14, 2008 1:47 PM EDT
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by mauichuck on
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Blake may not be "great" defensively,
Hello everyone,
I understand the concerns about Blake's defense, but I think I'd rather stick with him over Inge and Crede for the following reasons (not in any particular order):
- We already have Blake, and unless you're going to trade him away in this or a subsequent deal (unlikely,) you add the expensive payroll of either Inge or Crede.
- Blake has comparable or better power than Inge and only a little less power than Crede (and that's presuming he's healthy - see below,) and likely would hit for a better BA than Inge and comparable to Crede, so how much of a benefit offensively would we get? Not much. The defense may be improved a few notches, but is that really worth acquiring either of them for the price we'll likely have to pay for either of them?
- Being that they are division rivals, they are NOT going to give either of them cheaply to us. As mentioned above, look at the price tag the White Sox were asking from the Giants, a team outside our division. The price will likely be so high that any improvement we get defensively is going to be likely negated by the high price in prospects we're going to likely have to give up. And like I said, offensively, I think the three of them (Blake/Inge/Crede) are pretty comparable for the most part (Blake can hit around 15-25 HRs a season, which is pretty much what Inge can do at best, but with a lower BA, and Crede probably won't do more than that in all likelihood, due to the questions about his back.)
- How healthy is Crede really? I think he had a back problem if I remember correctly. How will that affect his power stroke? And like Blake, he too is prone to hot and cold periods offensively, so again, I don't think he'd be that much of an upgrade offensively. And being that we'd have to pay a very high price to get him from the White Sox, I think that would essentially negate any defensive advantages we'd gain from having Crede instead of Blake as our 3B. Conversely, Blake has been pretty healthy for the most part, and hopefully, that will continue.
I know that doesn't sound very comforting, but he had, by most accounts, a pretty solid defensive season last season, and I don't see him falling totally off the map defensively one season after having a pretty solid one. He's not THAT bad at 3B yet, and certainly not as inconsistent as Marte has been in ST (SSS understood,) so if he can give us close to what he gave us last year defensively, the Indians will probably be fine.
I can understand the reasons for acquiring Inge/Crede, but at the high price it would likely take to get either of them from a division rival, I too would pass.
Just my 2 cents - no offense. :-)
by indiansfan on Mar 14, 2008 5:40 PM EDT 0 recs
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