Mets interested in Marte?
It's just a speculative article, but suggests that at least one team might be interested in Marte. Interesting since there is a possibility that Barfield is making a case for keeping him instead. Here is the link (I don't know how to do embedded links on this site):
http://www.metstoday.com/spring-training-08/2008/a-rh-hitter-to-consider/
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Re: Mets interested in Marte?
by Denver Tribe Fan on Mar 14, 2008 4:03 PM EDT 0 recs
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by hans on
Mar 14, 2008 4:08 PM EDT
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For the Indians, trading Marte now would be a classic example of "buying high, selling low." They would receive nothing of consequence for him.
Consider: Barfield, 25, has had the best part of two full seasons to run up a career OPS of .677. A few weeks of spring training do not persuade me that he is now a new, improved version of his former self.
Marte, 24, has had 278 major league at-bats scattered over three seasons. Maybe he'll never be worth much, but it's unlikely his value will diminish significantly from where it stands today. The Tribe should keep him and play him.
by Rochester on
Mar 14, 2008 4:57 PM EDT
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I'm tired of watching Marte take garbage hacks and pop up trying to pull an outside pitch. Fire him! If he turns into the next Brandon Phillips, so be it. We need to face the reality that some talents aren't suited to the Indians organization. Mind you, this isn't entirely his fault. Competing in a pennant race and waiting for a rookie get his 'sea legs' don't exactly go hand in hand. For every Asdrubal who flashes brilliance during a brief call up, there's a Marte who puts too much pressure on himself to succeed.
I don't like using spring numbers as a barometer of anything, but this is one time where the approach is showing up in the outcomes. Barfield's lowered hands seem to be giving him that extra millisecond to react and judge pitches. He's working counts. Thankfully, his numbers also look good. Marte still has the same garbage swing for the fences approach he has always had. He isn't striking out like a fiend only because he's opping up garbe pitches early in the count.
by crazymoloh on Mar 14, 2008 4:46 PM EDT 0 recs
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by crazymoloh on
Mar 14, 2008 4:48 PM EDT
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I think Marte being traded away doesn't
While perhaps taking another IF would be more likely, I wouldn't totally rule out the fact that if Marte were traded and Blake is inserted at 3B, perhaps Ben Francisco would have a greater chance of making this ballclub out of ST (and especially if Michaels were included as part of the deal) - after all, Blake would no longer be an option for the OF if he's playing everyday at 3B. While we'd have the matter of Choo coming back and being out of options (I'm not sure if Francisco still has an option left or not,) Choo likely won't be available until May or June - the OF picture will likely shake itself out by then (Francisco or Gutierrez - is Gutz out of options or not? Not sure - being sent back to AAA Buffalo or Michaels or Dellucci being traded, etc.,) so I could see Francisco being part of the OF picture to start the season if Marte is traded and Blake replaces him at 3B, and being that Blake replaced Marte quite admirably last year, I could see the Indians going to him again if they feel Marte won't contribute as expected here. Plus, you do have Carroll to back up Blake at 3B if need be - it may not be the "ideal" approach in terms of having enough IF depth, but I think it's a reasonable possibility, since Blake's insertion at 3B essentially takes him away from being an OFer, and thereby, would have the Indians add another OFer to the roster (i.e. Francisco.)
Just my 2 cents. :-)
by indiansfan on
Mar 14, 2008 5:08 PM EDT
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Re: I think Marte being traded away doesn't
Sometimes its not entirely clear to me whether you are responding to my post or strawmen. Blake is out starting 3B. Has there been any doubt about the going into the season?
Also, I thought I just said that Barfield wasn't a good candidate to be either the starting 2B or infield backup.
by crazymoloh on
Mar 14, 2008 5:14 PM EDT
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Sorry about not seeing your second post!
Sorry - I did not see your second post when I posted (I think you made it before I had completed my second post - and that was because I walked away from my computer to take care of something before I finished that post); on that point with Barfield, we agree.
Regarding my first point about Blake and Marte, in actuality, I should have just made that a separate post down lower in the thread and not a direct reply to you, as I think the idea of having Marte be our starting 3B was brought up in this thread, but not by you. I don't think everyone is thrilled with the idea of having Blake being our starting 3B - that's why the idea/thread for trading for Crede or Inge came up, even though Blake, as of right now, is our starting 3B.
Sorry for any confusion - I think I tried to put it all in one post to save on time (something that is in very short supply for me lately,) but I wasn't specifically replying directly to you about Marte - I was providing that for the whole thread. I should have been more clear about that or put it lower in the thread.
Again, sorry for the confusion.
by indiansfan on
Mar 15, 2008 5:44 PM EDT
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Re: Mets interested in Marte?
For one thing, where's our depth at 3B if we let Marte go? We can't stash him in the minors like Francisco, nor are there others in the minors to step in. For all the talk about Peralta at 3B, he hasn't played the position since 2004, when he played it part-time in Buffalo and reportedly not all that well. Carroll isn't much of an answer either. We'd rather stash "a Marte" in the minors, but we literally don't have that "option." He's our only real depth at 3B, and he must be kept in the majors.
For another thing, does anybody really think we'd be better off with Barfield on the bench than Marte? Exactly how does that help us -- and for that matter, exactly how does that help Barfield re-discover an adequate stroke and approach at the plate? I'm sure Barfield would rather be in Cleveland, but he wouldn't be much help there, and he's better off long-term starting in Buffalo.
by Jay on Mar 14, 2008 4:50 PM EDT 0 recs
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by westbrook on
Mar 14, 2008 4:58 PM EDT
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All of this gets back to people treating players like pegs and the field like a pegboard. Peralta "seems like" a 3B-shaped peg -- allegedly -- and Barfield "seems like" a 2B-shaped peg -- also allegedly -- and AstroCab really and truly is a SS-shaped peg.
Here's the thing, though.
- The first allegedly.
- The second allegedly.
- Putting the right pegs in the right holes doesn't win ballgames, even if it "feels right."
by Jay on
Mar 14, 2008 5:15 PM EDT
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Re: Mets interested in Marte?
I have no problem with Asdrubal playing 2b, but if we need a 3b, the top guy has to be Peralta ... which opens up a spot at short, which opens up a spot at second.
How much worse of a 3b can Peralta be than Blake?
by westbrook on
Mar 14, 2008 7:27 PM EDT
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Also, adding Barfield to the roster is a terrible idea. Unless Asdrubal gets hit by a truck, I don't see why anyone would consider it.
- Barfield needs to show us that his adjustments will result in quality numbers over a period greater than 35 PAs.
- He only plays plays one position. A flaw that befalls our other backup infielder. Unless there's a need to backup our first backup, I don't see this being a good idea.
by crazymoloh on
Mar 14, 2008 5:04 PM EDT
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Perhaps RHP Mike Pelfrey?
There is serious debate over whether Pelfrey will ever become that top-of-the-rotation or at least very good mid-rotation starter, as he's been torched often at AAA and has had some serious problems at the ML level, supposedly from his command being out-of-whack at times and his stuff being too hittable.
I don't know - would the Mets consider a Marte for Pelfrey trade - two prospects that haven't lived up to their billing? What if Michaels were included in the deal with Marte - would they give up Pelfrey?
I know Pelfrey is no "sure thing," but being that Marte is no "sure thing" either, that probably would be the best type of prospect you could get for Marte without it being a very young, unknown prospect - getting a prospect who was highly regarded, but hasn't lived up to expectations - someone like Pelfrey.
Just a thought and my 2 cents. :-)
by indiansfan on
Mar 14, 2008 5:12 PM EDT
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Re: Perhaps RHP Mike Pelfrey?
by crazymoloh on
Mar 14, 2008 5:16 PM EDT
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Good idea, except he's now with the White
I thought Pelfrey could be a possibility, just because he hasn't lived up to lofty expectations either, just like Marte - trade one underachieving prospect for another underachieving prospect.
Just my 2 cents. :-)
by indiansfan on
Mar 15, 2008 5:46 PM EDT
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Re: Mets interested in Marte?
Well, I imagine Corey Smith is available.
by Jay on
Mar 14, 2008 5:16 PM EDT
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by crazymoloh on
Mar 14, 2008 5:18 PM EDT
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Re: Mets interested in Marte?
Beau Mills could more than make up for it, no matter what happens to Marte. As could Hodges. We're pretty well stacked at 3B, potentially.
by jhon on
Mar 14, 2008 5:30 PM EDT
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p.s: Why are people under the impression Beau Mills will stick at 3rd base, let alone turn into a middle of the order hitter?
by crazymoloh on
Mar 14, 2008 5:47 PM EDT
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Re: Mets interested in Marte?
Forgot about Branyan. In a way he "made it", but his career has been restrained because of a common aversion to strikeouts.
I don't know what will become of Beau, but there's a lot I like. He was a high first round pick at a good age (20). Notice that he's still in ML camp? He already looks like a Major leaguer: his build, his swing, his patience. He could rise very, very fast.
He has the "light-tower" power. He's big and athletic. I don't have a read on his glove, but if he ends up hitting like Braun we can sort that out later. He can't possibly be worse than Corey Smith, who was anomalously terrible.
Beau's great. You'll see.
The book's not even out on Whitney yet, and I never believed he was ever Mills' equal as a prospect even before the injury.
by jhon on
Mar 14, 2008 6:06 PM EDT
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by jhon on
Mar 14, 2008 5:31 PM EDT
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Re: Mets interested in Marte?
Compare his career OPS of .761 to the career OPS other third basemen around the AL last season.
A-rod .967
Glaus .858
Chavez .833
Lowell .812
Mora .795
Beltre .786
Fields .785
Blake .776
Jhonny comes out only slightly better than Figgins, career OPS is .754, in 9th place.
At SS, Jhonny is 5th behind Jeter (.850), Tejada (.821), Guillen (.808), and Young (.795)
The question then becomes whether having Barf at second and AstroCab at SS makes up for Jhonny as a lower than average third baseman and Blake in the OF.
On the other hand, we can hope that Marte or Shelton read the speculation cited above and discover the flaw in Andy's swing that's been keeping him down since he joined the tribe. (If it's really that simple, Derek hasn't been doing his job.)
by Harry Doyle on
Mar 14, 2008 5:53 PM EDT
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Re: Mets interested in Marte?
But that presupposes that we have a more reasonable option for second base than Marte is for third base. I don't believe that's true. After all of this, Marte is still 14 months younger than Barfield and was a better hitter at every age and every level in the minors. Barfield hangs his hat solely on a single major league season with a 741 OPS, and that ain't that much when it comes right down to it.
Look at it another way ... in his only extended exposure to AL pitching, Barfield put up 594 OPS in 444 PA. Marte's AL career, brief and scattered and poor as it has been, is better: 667 OPS in 238 PA.
Barfield may turn out to be the better hitter, but we sure as hell don't know that yet by a long stretch. Marte, once again, has just never gotten a real shot.
by Jay on
Mar 14, 2008 10:17 PM EDT
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by Brick. on Mar 14, 2008 5:31 PM EDT 0 recs
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by CaptainPenny on
Mar 14, 2008 5:34 PM EDT
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by Harry Doyle on
Mar 14, 2008 5:56 PM EDT
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by volapuk on Mar 14, 2008 5:42 PM EDT 0 recs
Good point - I don't think I knew that!
Thanks for the info! Certainly, having "connections" doesn't hurt! :-)
by indiansfan on
Mar 15, 2008 5:50 PM EDT
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Congrats to Barfield for landing some singles in spring training. You'll excuse me if I'm not ready to toss out Marte because of it, especially when we have the perfectly fine city of Buffalo holding an every day position open for JB. I'm glad to see that he's trying to see more pitches, but if his strikeouts sky-rocket, is it really an indicator of future success?
by dgcambridge on Mar 14, 2008 7:43 PM EDT 0 recs
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