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Game Thread: March 17, 2008

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Lineup:

Cabrera
Dellucci
Peralta
Martinez
Garko
Francisco
Marte
Snyder
Lee

The annoying electronic hum on XM went away just in time for the start of the game.  Drubs starts it off with a hit.  Dellucci gets the walk to follow.  Good times.

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Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
i have it minimized, so i'll believe it when i see it, but is the kitten throwing breaking balls?

by Brick. on Mar 17, 2008 1:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
Andy not doing too well in his defense audition.

by afh4 on Mar 17, 2008 1:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
1ST or 3RD?  Tell me he doesn't totally suck.  He's not supposed to suck.

by jhon on Mar 17, 2008 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
cliche alert.

cliff needs to find away to not let these types of innings snowball.

by Brick. on Mar 17, 2008 1:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
I think Cliff needs to find a way to be a good pitcher.

by afh4 on Mar 17, 2008 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
maybe he needs to play LF and 3rd
Fan in Texas

by fanintexas on Mar 17, 2008 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
i couldn't agree more, but he is constantly having "i shoulda been outa this inning next thing you know 5 runs are on the board issues"  what was that game where the spring training umps were squeezing him?  "Waaaah, It's not my fault!"

by Brick. on Mar 17, 2008 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
I thought Cliff made some pretty good pitches - he should have been out of that inning before any runs scored. Delucci watches a ball trickle out of glove, over his wrist and onto the grass. Marte makes two ole plays where he turns his back completely to the play and sticks out his glove hoping fried chicken will fly in it. An infield hit that dies behind the mound.

Cliff ain't no Santana, but that inning wasn't his fault - he was putting his pitches pretty much where he wanted them.

by mcrose on Mar 17, 2008 1:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
Pool. Wireless. LGT. This trip is ending on a high. Oh, and seeing Chucky's favourite son tonight at Amway.

by supermarioelia on Mar 17, 2008 1:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
i read that was "Poll. Wireless LGT?" somehow.

by Brick. on Mar 17, 2008 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
Haha you finally capitalize something and I don't get it.

by supermarioelia on Mar 17, 2008 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
see above.  that's what i get for looking down to find the shift key.

by Brick. on Mar 17, 2008 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
Don't forget to weat your Indians jersey and boo him mercilessly!
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Mar 17, 2008 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
Could Cliff not have stuck his glove out there?

by supermarioelia on Mar 17, 2008 1:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
Good thing the ball girl is a girl.

by SuddenSam on Mar 17, 2008 1:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
H-Per's still around?  No kidding.

by jhon on Mar 17, 2008 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
Pretty unexciting game all around, though Betancourt just struck out the side. Whee.

by zempf on Mar 17, 2008 2:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
Not to be outdone, Jorge Julio just struck out 4 in an inning.

by zempf on Mar 17, 2008 3:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
36K/9IP...why didn't anyone else sign this guy?

by APV on Mar 17, 2008 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
This is boring.

It doesn't help that these Phillies guys think "The Indians are really excited about Lee as a young pitcher" and "Aaron Herr is one of their big prospects."

by afh4 on Mar 17, 2008 3:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
God that's awful. I feel like if you gave me the Internet and 3 hours before an NL game I could announce it better than the idiots they trot out.
Sizemore-Shapiro 2008. The Official Red Bull of Let's Go Tribe Game Threads.

by Gradyforpresident on Mar 17, 2008 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
Jorge Julio has proven that he is, in fact, Jorge Julio.

I'm prepared to say he cannot help the Indians win any games this year.

by afh4 on Mar 17, 2008 3:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
Seems like he's got an injury or something, they're pulling him mid-inning & getting unlimited time for someone else to warm up.

by zempf on Mar 17, 2008 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
Yeah I see that. He's still at what, like 5 walks in 7 innings? I don't really care how sexy his stuff is or how many K's he gets. His walk rate is ridiculous, especially when comboed with his career HR problem.

by afh4 on Mar 17, 2008 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
i call this the "burned by believing in fernando cabrera effect"

by Brick. on Mar 17, 2008 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
Why does this make me cheer?
Sizemore-Shapiro 2008. The Official Red Bull of Let's Go Tribe Game Threads.

by Gradyforpresident on Mar 17, 2008 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
So what have Gutz, Marte and Droobs done?
Sizemore-Shapiro 2008. The Official Red Bull of Let's Go Tribe Game Threads.

by Gradyforpresident on Mar 17, 2008 3:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
Gutz has presumably engaged in fun clubhouse banter (not playing today).  Cabrera's 1-3 with a BB.  Marte is 0-1 with 2 BBs and from the accounts above, some questionable defense (though no Es).

by APV on Mar 17, 2008 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
2 walks! Yippy!
Sizemore-Shapiro 2008. The Official Red Bull of Let's Go Tribe Game Threads.

by Gradyforpresident on Mar 17, 2008 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
ST homeruns are so suspect. I've seen like 2 clean homeruns all year.

by afh4 on Mar 17, 2008 3:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
Martinez just hit one (barely) out.

by zempf on Mar 17, 2008 3:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
Game over. Our non-Lee pitching seemed pretty OK. Who the hell is going to be our 5th starter, though?

by zempf on Mar 17, 2008 3:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
Man, no visual on multiple homerun games from Grady, Andy, etc and then this freaking game is on tv. Snore.

Lee's going to be 5th starter by default I think.

by afh4 on Mar 17, 2008 3:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
Yeah, I think that's really been the case all spring. I was just hoping that he would actually "win the battle" as opposed to being handed the job by default. It didn't sound (only listened to the game today) like he was helped much by some shitty fielding, so maybe he didn't pitch as poorly as the line would indicate.

by zempf on Mar 17, 2008 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
Yeah, almost certainly. Let's hope he doesn't have too many stinkjobs before Laffey gets the call.
Sizemore-Shapiro 2008. The Official Red Bull of Let's Go Tribe Game Threads.

by Gradyforpresident on Mar 17, 2008 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
There's nothing like seeing "GIDP: Snyder 2" in the box score to bring back memories of the 80s.
Free Andy Marte!

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Mar 17, 2008 4:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
for the last spot in the bullpen or 5th starter?

yes, either way i suppose.

by Brick. on Mar 17, 2008 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
Elarton will not start for us, barring catastrophic series of events such that would have us out of the race.

I like our lineup, but it's not the 1999 lineup, meaning, we can't go through 45 pitchers and still make the playoffs.

by Jay on Mar 17, 2008 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
that was sarcasm - a commentary on how bad the 3 Lefties springs have been...

by Brick. on Mar 17, 2008 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
but i DO want him to take the last spot in the bullpen.  and i'm fine with Julio, too with the worlds shortest leash.  I like having Mastny and Francisco with options in buffalo - whatever they deserve or not.  

by Brick. on Mar 17, 2008 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
"The world's shortest leash"...but that sounds like a choke collar (or Wedge's hands around Julio's neck).  And I thought that was what we were trying to avoid...

by APV on Mar 17, 2008 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
well, i think there's a way to use a guy like julio, and it's not necessarily how he's been used in spring training - and it's probably not what we need.  if we need a long man, i'd go with elarton and mastny waiting till he or someone else needs replaced (or injury).  if we need a 1 inning guy, i think julio would be useful, again with mastny waiting by.

say you go with masnty.  fultz sucks and gets RHA'd.  someone else gets hurt.  i just don't like the two or three deep as well when masnty isn't one of them.

by Brick. on Mar 17, 2008 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
I agree, we shouldn't pretend we have quite the same young stable of just-about-ready power arms in Buffalo that we did a year ago -- in 2007, Perez and Lewis were among our depth guys.

And just an aside, isn't it unbelievable that J.D. and Ferd-Cab totally bombed out, Oldberto wasn't much better, JoBo was shaky all season and we still ended up with an effective bullpen?  It's hard to believe it was only nine months ago that J.D. and Cabrera were on the team, that just seems like a whole different era.  Now we have new, young, talented guys, not just live-armed dudes who suck for four years off and on.

As for Lee, I think either he sticks with an adequate #4 guy line or he goes on revocable waivers pretty quick.  If he's claimed, we likely work out a trade with the claiming team, and everybody goes away happy.  If he's not claimed, we stick it out with him for another month and then try again if need be.

I would not rule out that at some point, he sucks bad enough but gets claimed anyway, and we stick his contract on the claiming team.  But I really think the likeliest thing is that he does okay, and the next likeliest thing is the claim-and-trade.

by Jay on Mar 17, 2008 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
Sorry, foggy-headed moment ... obviously if he's not claimed, he goes to Buffalo and sulks.  Speaking of which, are the Reds dumb enough to trade for this guy?

by Jay on Mar 17, 2008 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
the sulking is a given even, no matter what his fate.  if he was my little brother, i would bitchslap him.

by Brick. on Mar 17, 2008 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
Yes.
I swear, next year is it.

by fwembt on Mar 18, 2008 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
¶ 1.  exactly.  jeff stevens awesomeness aside.

¶ 2.  wow.  seems like that went down in 05, not 07.

¶ 3 & 4. this is the guestimate summation i've been trying to get my head around all spring.  thanks.

by Brick. on Mar 17, 2008 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
Outstanding use of an extended character.  Never seen that before.

by Jay on Mar 17, 2008 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
Now if we don't give Julio a spot out of spring training...can we send him to Buffalo? Does he have to agree first?

by supermarioelia on Mar 17, 2008 4:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
Just think -- we're busy debating who's going to be the last guy in our bullpen, while Todd Jones has a 14.85 ERA for Detroit this spring. Always remember: it could be worse.

by zempf on Mar 17, 2008 4:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
But look at it this way - we're counting on two key cogs of our pen to be pitchers who have less than a full year of service time (combined?), Joe Borowski, Raffy B to have another insane year, and someone who's never thrown a pitch in MLB. Oh yeah, and Fultz.

I'm always going to be worried about the pen, until Facebook Boy and Stick Figure turn out to be real.

Sizemore-Shapiro 2008. The Official Red Bull of Let's Go Tribe Game Threads.

by Gradyforpresident on Mar 17, 2008 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
Come on, he's a String Bean, not a Stick Figure.
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Mar 17, 2008 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
Perez has more than a year of service time, actually.  Jensen has 80 days.  Oh, hell, here's all the pre-arbitration guys:

2009 arbitration class
Shoppach - 2.021 (that's 2 years + 21 days)
Carmona - 1.169 (will be a 2009 Super 2)

2010 arbitration class
Barfield - 2.000 (must spend < 60 days in the minors in 2008 to reach in 2009)
Garko - 1.091
Gootz - 1.080
Mastny - 1.070
Marte - 1.038
Perez - 1.028

2011 arbitration class
Sowers - 1.012 (must spend < 70 days in the minors over 2008-2009 to reach in 2010)
Mujica - 0.159
Lewis - 0.080

2012 arbitration class
Francisco - 0.071 (must spend < 125 days in the minors over 2008-2010 to reach in 2011)
Laffey - 0.058 (must spend < 110 days in the minors over 2008-2010 to reach in 2011)
AstroCab - 0.055 (must spend < 105 days in the minors over 2008-2010 to reach in 2011)
Lara - 0.054
Slocum - 0.038
Snyder - 0.031

All days-in-minors thresholds are estimated but are pretty close to the mark.

by Jay on Mar 18, 2008 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: March 17, 2008
Talk about your time machines ... I just watched Victor go yard (barely) and then Garko just miss (barely), about six hours after the fact.  Being rebroadcast on Comcast Sportsnet here in Philly.

by Jay on Mar 17, 2008 9:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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