Game Thread: March 28, 2008
by Voltaire on Mar 28, 2008 7:10 PM EDT
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This one is on Gameday since it's in Atlanta.
by Voltaire on Mar 28, 2008 7:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone know if you can pop out the new Gameday window, or are they continuing to ruin a great product by trapping it within my window?
by Voltaire on Mar 28, 2008 7:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So apparently no one wants to talk about the game.
by Voltaire on Mar 28, 2008 7:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm here, this game isnt televised though, is it?
by bewwolv on Mar 28, 2008 7:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Any insight as to why I can't get WTAM's live feed to work?
by bewwolv on Mar 28, 2008 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any other Clevelanders that sign up for MLB.TV?
by bewwolv on Mar 28, 2008 7:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow. Franklin just had one of the best ABs I've seen him have against righties. Man, if he can turn it up this year to be merely above average vs. RHP, he's gonna be a monster in 2008.
What an AB.
by crazymoloh on Mar 28, 2008 7:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He ended up lining out to center. But he had only 1 bad swing through the entire AB, which included 4-5 foul balls after a 2-2 count. I have been used him throwing away ABs by not laying off crap when he was down two strikes.
by crazymoloh on Mar 28, 2008 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome. My secret prediction for this year (since I hate predictions) is that Gutz is going to have a way better year than anyone's expecting.
by zempf on Mar 28, 2008 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
p.s: That one bad swing was totally understandable, I would have been sitting dead read after two straight breaking balls to start the AB. He got a 3rd breaking ball in a row and missed. Still, he dug in after that and could easily have had a double.
by crazymoloh on Mar 28, 2008 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sizemore needs to walk more? Ummm..... I'd like for that to happen, but it isn't exactly a weakness of his. Who are these idiots? I just tuned in.
by crazymoloh on Mar 28, 2008 7:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sizemore did need to raise his walk rate going into the 2007 season, and he did, thoroughly. Charitably, they're not wrong so much as they're a little out of date.
by Jay on Mar 28, 2008 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, I'm about to trade away Jair Jurrjens and Adam Wainwright for Rafael Soriano and A.J Burnett in a H-2H points league. Its getting harder to pull the trigger on that trade every time I watch Jurrjens.
by crazymoloh on Mar 28, 2008 7:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Typical moron broadcaster talk ... they're marveling about the fact that nobody has ever heard of Victor ... when they should be marveling about their own ignorance, as apparently the only two guys who don't know about Victor Martinez.
I mean, seriously, Victor's got the idiot stats, what's it going to take?
And now they're talking knowledgably about the Indians 6 and 7 starters. That's just weird.
by Jay on Mar 28, 2008 8:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
come on! it's perfectly normal for somebody to know more about Aaron Laffey than Victor Martinez.
by westbrook on Mar 28, 2008 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. Every time I lean towards giving these guys more slack, they come up something truly dumb to say. During a Mets game I heard this - "Stats are cold. They don't tell you about guts. They don't tell you how a guy does after an injury or a slump. Stats just don't tell you that!"
Yikes!
by crazymoloh on Mar 28, 2008 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FYI: tomorrow's game is free on mlb.tv. Want a painful read?
by westbrook on Mar 28, 2008 8:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That is painful.
You know what would be truly exciting is if they designated three games every Saturday of the season to be broadcast through the dumbass FOX Sports blackout.
by Jay on Mar 28, 2008 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of which, I noticed the Tribe plays at 4:05 next Saturday out in Oakland and its not on the list of Fox games. Does that get blacked out on EI or just MLB.tv?
by NickFantana on Mar 28, 2008 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess that answers my question about what interns at Major League Baseball do.
by crazymoloh on Mar 28, 2008 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I HOPE its an intern that wrote that.
by westbrook on Mar 28, 2008 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blake with 2 RBI on 1 RISP. Cuts into my 2B-leadoff-runner-distracts-Blake theory.
by Jay on Mar 28, 2008 8:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No, but he's in the field playing just fine now.
by Voltaire on Mar 28, 2008 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Score?
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay
by mauichuck on Mar 28, 2008 8:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So is Hammy on depressants or something? That was the flattest call I've ever heard him make for an exciting play.
by Voltaire on Mar 28, 2008 8:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Grady made a diving catch. Hammy did his usual words - "Grady running it down and he - DIVES AND MAKES THE CATCH! Oh, what a play by Sizemore! And now he and Kotsay both have a spectacular catch out in center in this game..." but he delivered it in a comical monotone.
by Voltaire on Mar 28, 2008 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sweet thanks. No way at all to get anything out here in Japan..
by lesterjl on Mar 28, 2008 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No problem. It was bizarre to hear; Hammy never mails in calls like that.
by Voltaire on Mar 28, 2008 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need to get Francisco in LF. I'm convinced that would be the fastest outfield in the known universe.
by crazymoloh on Mar 28, 2008 9:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Francisco is not an awesome defender, he's just 24 and perky.
Who you really want is Van Every (now in Boston) or Snyder or ... what's that other guy we got ... oh yeah ... Jason Michaels.
by Jay on Mar 28, 2008 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That does it. Brad Snyder '08. I'm making a flag.
by fleerdon on Mar 28, 2008 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, I'd like to see Garko hit the ball to opposite field a little more.
by crazymoloh on Mar 28, 2008 9:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He's saving it for the regular season. Oh yeah, what's the score?
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay
by mauichuck on Mar 28, 2008 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the audio during the commercial break...
Tribe fan from far, far away
by LGT Patrick on Mar 28, 2008 9:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
where'd everyone go?
Sizemore-Shapiro 2008. The Official Red Bull of Let's Go Tribe Game Threads.
by Gradyforpresident on Mar 28, 2008 9:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Got here about an inning ago, nothing posted about Carmona. Did he look ready to go?
by SanD on Mar 28, 2008 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
box score says yes.
Sizemore-Shapiro 2008. The Official Red Bull of Let's Go Tribe Game Threads.
by Gradyforpresident on Mar 28, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice to see a fellow Tribe fan in San Diego as well
by crazymoloh on Mar 28, 2008 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again, only saw a half-dozen batters, but he looked great and the broadcasters seemed suitably awed when he finished.
by Jay on Mar 28, 2008 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rejoining the thread here. I see Hafner has a couple hits, to left I hope?
by bewwolv on Mar 28, 2008 10:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
let's just hope he's getting into some kind of a grove. just in time for the important ABs
Fingers crossed, but breathing normally
by Chief WaDrew on Mar 28, 2008 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well if he was in a grove, it'd be an orange grove and he'd still be in Florida... JK
by lesterjl on Mar 28, 2008 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just hit a short-but-legit line drive up the middle with a broken bat, 3-0 count. I haven't watched the whole game, but I thought the broadcasters said he'd hit every ball the other way tonight.
by Jay on Mar 28, 2008 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good deal. If he is hitting doubles, I am all about them being crushed to right and right-center, but if he is hitting singles, I would be encouraged to hear him going the other way.
by bewwolv on Mar 28, 2008 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jay, I just re-read the "Whither Pronk" piece. Here's something I'm (possibly irrationally) afraid of: DiamondView believes the 60-degree line from PECOTA, but also thinks that Travis Hafner's extension is going to be on par with that level of production?
In other words, is there a chance we're paying the 60-degree Hafner -- call him '07 Pronk+ -- about what we think he's going to be worth?
by fleerdon on Mar 28, 2008 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In that vein, I wasn't able to find the instructions for posting images by searchingthe database. Could I get a refresher?
by bewwolv on Mar 28, 2008 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The last button on the POST A COMMENT toolbar is for inserting an image. Go to a web page, copy the URL of the image, click on the image button on the toolbar, paste in the URL, and you're done. The code looks like this:
<img src="http://www.whatevertheserveris.com/somepath/whatevertheimageis.jpg">
by Jay on Mar 29, 2008 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't really understand your question.
I think the Indians did the extension based on a mean expectation of Hafner somewhere in the neighborhood of PECOTA's 75th percentile (that's what the "degree" symbol means in this case) multi-year projection. At that level, Pronk would be something of a bargain. I'm not sure where you get the 60 out of my piece.
If he's at the 50-60 level, we've essentially bought ourselves a cheaper version of the Carlos Lee contract, i.e., it's no better of a value than the big, dumb free agent contracts. Added to which, there's a certain probability that this will be Pronk's best season from here on out, and unless his slump was 100% mental, we didn't need to extend his deal to get that season out of him.
by Jay on Mar 29, 2008 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's because it was a bad question (60 was just me ball-parking it, both poorly and lazily), but you answered it anyway. The more accurate question would be -- for what we're paying, how much SHOULD we be getting out of Hafner?
Also! I'm familiar with statistics, but I had forgotten that notation. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
For a while, I was buying what I call, perhaps inaccurately, the Underwood Theorum: Hafner was bothering by the increasing use of the shift against him, and trying too hard to take the ball to left rather than hit it where it was thrown. But after taking a peek at the Pitch f/x data ... he was just flat-out missing sliders in and change-ups away.
Ultimately, my (hypothetical) money's on DiamondView, but you're on the mark about the general queasiness I have on the topic. Can't we just find out if he's okay and get on with life?
by fleerdon on Mar 29, 2008 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably not.
Incidentally, as for Underwood Theorem vs. just flat-out missing, why can't it be both? Can't he be flat-out missing sliders in and change-ups away in part because he was bothered by the shift? I mean, if he's materially bothered by the shift, that would have to manifest itself in the form of missing some pitches more often.
by Jay on Mar 29, 2008 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
/Furrows brow.
You caught me shooting from the hip. My understanding of the physics of hitting is too rudimentary to make those sorts of pronouncements. Gives me an idea, though.
by fleerdon on Mar 29, 2008 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hello everyone,
Somewhat encouraging by Hafner tonight, though I hope he can consistently put up quality ABs, have some 2- and 3-hit games, etc.
bewwolv - I'll take doubles hit hard the other way too, in addition to what you are mentioning! :-)
I suspect the fact it's Friday night and the NCAA Tournament is going on - Davidson(!) and Texas have both advanced (over Wisconsin and Stanford, respectively,) with Kansas up 19 at the half on Villanova and Memphis up 30(!) on Michigan State at the half - is why the game thread is sort of quiet tonight. Plus, they're probably waiting to get "wild" on Monday! :-)
Just my 2 cents.
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
by indiansfan on Mar 28, 2008 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One negative about Hafner tonight though - 2 more strikeouts. I hope he keeps his strikeouts in check this season, as I believe he also had one 3-strikeout game within the last week. At times in 2007, his tendency to strikeout repeatedly and on horrible pitches was maddening. If he can make improvement on that this season, he should have a considerably better season and more consistency like he did from 2004-2006. Hopefully, it happens!
Just my 2 cents. :-)
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
by indiansfan on Mar 28, 2008 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't believe Davidson pulled it off. It wasn't even close.
by gahnki on Mar 28, 2008 11:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hello gahnki,
I didn't have that in my bracket either, though I'm not totally surprised after Davidson took out Georgetown in the second round. I actually had Wisconsin taking out Georgetown in the 3rd Round, but neither part happened (Georgetown doesn't get to Round 3 and Wisconsin loses in Round 3.)
With all due respect to Dick Vitale, I bet he is very surprised that Michigan State isn't even in the game against Memphis (Dickie V thought Mich. St. would win that game) - right now, it's 61-31 Memphis, and they're doing virtually anything and everything against Mich. St., while Neitzel has been a total non-factor (I think he still hasn't scored with 14:40 left in the 2nd half.)
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
by indiansfan on Mar 28, 2008 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And beat them by 18 - it never got under a 15-point lead for Memphis (I believe,) and I think Memphis lost some of their concentration after the lead ballooned to 34 points, which was arguably the main reason why MSU went on a 17-0 run to cut it down to a 17-point lead.
As mentioned on CBS, some analysts thought Memphis was a prime target to be the first #1 seed knocked out, especially after MSU ousted Pittsburgh, but that was certainly NOT the case tonight.
For the record, Neitzel finished with two late 3-pointers (when Anderson wasn't guarding him) for 6 points, but that first 3 didn't come until around 1:49 left in the game. That was another major reason why MSU lost - without Neitzel being a factor, MSU's chances of winning this game was near zero.
Just my 2 cents. :-)
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
by indiansfan on Mar 29, 2008 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Should be "were near zero." :-)
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
by indiansfan on Mar 29, 2008 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's weird....I couldn't get onto the main page directly just now (scheduled maintenance? what the hell?), but I had no trouble getting here via one of the other SBN blogs.
by supermarioelia on Mar 29, 2008 9:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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