WELGARZ!!!
Nice little writeup in The Hardball Times about everyone's favorite Viking Plunder cum LF/1B/DH.
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/hitting-prospects-to-watch-in-2008/
Not a whole lot of new insights, but some nice swing comparison videos, pre/post draft. Nice to see Little Nicki getting some dap from some of the non-Indians evaluators out there.
Your FanPost must be at least 75 words long. Right now it's only 62 words long.
0 recs |
22 comments
Comments
There was no mention of Weglarz saving that baby from that burning airplane, but its a pretty good article anyways.
by hans on Apr 10, 2008 1:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This should be a FanShot, not a FanPost. Can you re-post it there?
by Jay on Apr 10, 2008 1:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Come on, gte, you can do it. I'll even promote it to the front.
by Jay on Apr 10, 2008 7:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry J, I dropped the ball. Walk away from LGT for an afternoon and BOOM! my entire world gets turned upside down.
by gte619n on Apr 11, 2008 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a lot to like about Weglarz, but in the video posted a couple months ago, he had a little loop in his swing and the first thought that came to my mind was "OMG, that's Russell Branyan!"
Now, without looking up Branyan's stats, I'm pretty sure Weglarz looks like a better hitter with a better ability to take a walk. But it seems to me that not many players have big-league success when they strike out 129 times in 439 at-bats in low-A. I'm hoping that someone can provide good examples of great hitters that struck out that much at that level. But until he starts striking out less, I'll probably be much more reserved about his future success than others here.
by TribeJay on Apr 11, 2008 12:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He's young. Plenty of time to develop his knowledge of the strike zone, and as a bonus, he's likely to develop a lot more power at the same time. I'm not saying he'll be a star, but I think he's even money to be a major league regular at some point, and that's pretty good for a 20-year-old.
by Jay on Apr 11, 2008 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hello TribeJay,
Weglarz's strikeouts are a bit of a concern at this point, but as Jay mentioned, he's young, and unlike Branyan, is much more capable of taking a walk at the same age and level:
Weglarz at Low-A Lake County at age 19: 82 BB/129 K in 125 G/439 ABs.
Branyan at Low-A Columbus at age 19: 27 BB/120 K in 76 G/277 ABs(! - quite frankly, it's not even close!)
As for those players who have had big-league success posting high-strikeout numbers, Adam Dunn wasn't quite as extreme as Weglarz at Low-A at age 19 - he had 46 BB/64 K in 313 ABs, but his Ks numbers at High-A were a bit concerting at age 20: 101 Ks/420 ABs (though he also drew 100 BBs and hit .281,) and he turned out alright (though his BA ability did plummet, but he does hit 40+ HRs, mostly in a hitter's ballpark, providing some very solid offensive value.)
The main thing is, as Jay mentioned, Weglarz has plenty of time to learn and improve upon his strike zone judgment. Someone like OF Brad Snyder, who is much older, I'd be more concerned about his ability to make consistent contact, being that he's about to be 26-YO, and still hasn't consistently been able to make contact since Low-A. Branyan's strikeout problems continued to persist as he continued to move up the ladder (and keep in mind that his K problem was far worse than Weglarz's.) If Weglarz's strike out rate continues to increase at a high rate for 3-4 more seasons like it did for Branyan and Snyder, I'll be very concerned at that point, but for right now, I think it's just something to monitor but not be overly concerned about.
The fact that Weglarz can already draw a lot of walks (82 in 439 Low-A ABs in 2007, and already 8(!) in 10 High-A ABs in 2008,) I think that too will help to mitigate the strikeouts to some extent, especially when it comes to his OBP; combine that with plus power, and that would certainly give him some offensive value at the very least in that he would be a patient, power bat for the Indians' future lineups.
Just my 2 cents. :-)
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
by indiansfan on Apr 11, 2008 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hello again TribeJay,
Just to prorate those Branyan numbers out to Weglarz's ABs last year because I'm curious (and because I was surprised by how much Branyan struck out at that level in so few ABs at the same age as Weglarz):
Branyan at age 19 would have had 43 BBs/190 Ks(!) in 439 ABs - barely half the walks of Weglarz's and about .5 times more in striking out (61 times more to be exact, which is almost half of Weglarz's 129 total Ks.)
It's amazing to see how undisciplined Branyan truly was at that level; by comparison, Weglarz is light-years ahead of where Branyan was at the same level and age, and hopefully, it will translate into Weglarz becoming a much better player than Branyan, who himself has had a decent career in the MLs, especially for a player with the contact issues he's had.
So certainly, I think there is reason for optimism about Weglarz's future success, with some noted concerns about his K rate for sure, but with time being on his side to correct them and his very strong BB rate, I think there's enough reason to be mostly optimistic about Weglarz's chances at this point.
Just my 2 cents - no offense.
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
by indiansfan on Apr 11, 2008 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I wasn't comparing Branyan's stats with Weglarz, just his swing.
I will also say I'm not concerned with his "strike-zone" judgement. He walks A LOT. But he also apparently has a problem making contact. I understand he's young, and also he's inexperienced...growing up in Canada he probably didn't play a ton, and he missed most of 2006.
Hey, if he turns into Jim Thome, great...I'll live with the K's. But I'm hesitant to get TOO excited about him until I see him making better contact. But obviously he's VERY intriguing.
by TribeJay on Apr 11, 2008 8:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hello TribeJay,
Certainly, there are some concerns about his ability to make contact, but as mentioned, he's young.
Another advantage I thought of with him over Branyan involves what you mentioned about Weglarz comes from - Ontario, Canada, where they don't play as much baseball, as say, Macon, Georgia, which is where Branyan played HS ball.
So, while the swings may be similar between the two, I think Weglarz is many light-years ahead (i.e. more advanced) than Branyan at the same age and level, so I think his chances of being more useful and better than Branyan are pretty good at this point, and Branyan has carved out a decent career at the ML level, especially for someone who never really controlled the strike zone very well (striking out between every 2-3 ABs every season he's been in the Majors.)
Certainly, there's nothing wrong with caution, though - he's still a distance away, as Weglarz probably won't be ready for at least 2-3 more years (around 2010-2011.)
Just my 2 cents. :-)
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
by indiansfan on Apr 11, 2008 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agreed, TribeJay. How much can his strike zone judgement improve when he is already walking a ton? All else being the same (position, age, etc.) for a prospect, I'd much rather have a guy who hits .330 with doubles power that doesn't walk or K much, than a guy who hits .270 with homer power with lots of walks and Ks. As Jay would say, the best thing about Weglarz is not his power, or his walks, it is that he had a good year as a 19 year old.That may put him above the older "hit for average guys" in the system (Hodges, Brown) as a potential MLB player.
by oxforddave on Apr 11, 2008 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How much can his strike zone judgement improve when he is already walking a ton?
That's a great point, and I had just been wondering, with all those walks, how many of those K's are looking rather than swinging? It would almost have to be a lot of them. Maybe his pitch selection isn't really all that great, he's just erring on the side of not taking, and opposing pitchers are erring on the side of being terrified of him.
by Jay on Apr 11, 2008 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean honestly, when are those lazy-nouns at MLB going to get Pitch F|X in all the minor league parks? C'MON BUD, DO SOMETHING.
by gte619n on Apr 11, 2008 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, although it doesn't necessarily mean that they will be looking K's. It may be that he's just willing, or purposefully, going deep into the count. He may get more agressive with two strikes.
by dgcambridge on Apr 11, 2008 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just glanced at his start this year, and he's got 8 BBs and 3 Ks. Pretty funny. One of the Ks was looking.
by dgcambridge on Apr 11, 2008 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been wondering if his ISO isn't a bit of a newfound tool for him. He was hurt as an 18-year-old, right? So the Indians squirrel him away in a weight room for a year and a half, and he comes back as Adam Dunn Jr. I know we talk about strike-zone judgment as some kind of sixth sense, but isn't it plausible that he's just learning how to deal with being a guy who gets pitched around? That sounds like an unusual thing to do as a 19-year-old -- but then, so is slugging .500.
by fleerdon on Apr 11, 2008 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At this point, I put Welgraz' ceiling somewhere between POST Balco Barry Bonds and Superman.
by gte619n on Apr 11, 2008 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most men get a lot, lot, lot stronger between 18 and 23, particularly in their arms and upper torso. This is what's behind the whole "doubles will become homers" theory.
by Jay on Apr 11, 2008 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

by 
















