Carmona locked up through 2014
The Indians announced today that they have signed Fausto Carmona to a three-year guranateed extension through 2011, while also extending his commitment to the Indians through the end of the 2014 season, weeks before his 31st birthday. Carmona becomes the longest-committed Indian on the active roster, and he's one of ten who are signed through 2012 or beyond. (Travis Hafner is committed through 2013, as are rookies Asdrubal Cabrera, Craig Breslow and Jensen Lewis. Grady Sizemore is committed through 2012, as are second-year players Ryan Garko, Rafael Perez, Andy Marte and Franklin Gutierrez.)
Carmona's contract is guaranteed through 2011, paying a total of $14.5 million over in addition to his $500,000 salary for 2008. The deal further gives the Indians three successive single-season club options for 2012, 2013 and 2014. No buyouts have been reported for the three club options, but the option-year salaries will increase if Carmona is in the top five in the Cy Young voting in two successive years.
Signing bonus: $750,000 in 2008, in addition to $500,000 salary.
Guaranteed salaries: $2.75 million in 2009, $4.9 million in 2010, $6.1 million in 2011.
Club options without incentives: $7 million in 2012, $9 million in 2013, $12 million in 2014.
Club options with incentives: $9 million in 2012, $11 million in 2013, $14 million in 2014.
To put these numbers into context, this past offseason saw Carlos Silva, a decent but thoroughly unexceptional starting pitcher, sign a four-year deal with the Mariners for an annual salary of $12 million, and of course our own Paul Byrd is making $8 million based on a deal signed two years ago, a deal that is now somewhat under-market. In fact, Carmona's potential salary for 2012-2014 are only 3% higher than Westbrook's guaranteed salary for 2008-2010, even though salaries are likely to climb by 40% over the four years in between the two deals, and Westbrook's deal is a slightly under-market and team-friendly to start with, and Carmona's money isn't even guaranteed.
Carmona will be paid a maximum of $48 million over seven seasons, from 2008 through 2014, if all options and bonuses are exercised. This is reportedly the richest deal ever given to a pitcher not yet eligible for arbitration, continuing the Indians' recent trend of setting new industry benchmarks for rewarding talented young players. If Carmona continues to be a top-20 starter, he may well have earned more than the $14.5 million guarantee through arbitration by the end of 2010, let alone 2011. In this way, "lockup contracts" such as this generally reduce a team's overall payroll commitment, or at least have a neutral effect, such that Carmona's extension should not adversely affect the Indians' ability to acquire or retain other players.
Although not seriously considered by Cy Young voters, Carmona arguably was the most effective pitcher in the AL in 2007, possibly in either league, posting a 151 ERA+ that was better than Sabathia's or Beckett's – in any season of their careers. At the same age of 23, Sabathia had already produced almost four whole good seasons in the majors, but on the other hand, Sabathia didn't even approach Carmona's 2007 level of dominance until he was 25, and he has never matched it. Though obscured by Sabathia's Cy Young campaign, Carmona's season was probably the best by any Indians starter of the past 35 years, dating back to Gaylord Perry's stellar 1972 Cy Young season, and seriously rivaled only by Dennis Martinez's 28 starts in 1995.
Carmona was an enigma in the minors, dominating hitters in 2003 at the tender age of 19 in Lake County, but with low strikeout rates that generally indicate that a pitcher will be much less effective at higher levels. His 2004-2005 performances in Akron and Buffalo appeared merely solid but were actually exceptional considering his youth.
He started the 2006 season in Buffalo as the Indians' first depth option for the big-league rotation, but after April, it became clear that the Indians were relatively solid in the rotation but deeply impoverished in the bullpen. So Carmona became a big-league middle reliever, and he very quickly emerged as a dominant setup man. He posted a 1.65 ERA in his first five weeks in that role – and 0.00 for the next four weeks – making him the heir apparent closer when Bob Wickman left in a deadline deal.
As a closer, however, Carmona famously produced perhaps the worst single-week performance ever seen in the majors. Indians officials said that Carmona allowed his mechanics to get out of whack during that week, and they returned him to Buffalo to stretch himself back into a starter. He ended the year where he started it, as a spot starter in the majors. For that one week as a closer, Carmona's ERA was a staggering 37.13 over four games. For the rest of 2006, however, his ERA was an above-average 4.12, including seven starts and a stretch of 22 relief appearances.
In 2007, early injuries to Cliff Lee and Jake Westbrook opened up a spot for Carmona, and he secured that spot with stellar performances in April in May, reminiscent of his 2004 stint in Lake County – low run totals coupled by low strikeout totals. Carmona surged even further after May, however, with his K rates spiking from 3.32 to 6.73, coupled with a groundball rate that easily led the majors. Since July 1 of last year, Carmona has a 2.18 ERA over 19 starts.
Carmona ended the 2007 season with just under two years of major league service time and would have been arbitration eligible as a "Super Two" player at the end of 2008. The Indians already controlled his rights through 2012. Without a multi-year deal, clubs essentially have a series of one-year options on all their players until they reach free agency, with an arbitration panel setting the one-year salary if the two sides can't agree. Arbitration produces higher salaries than multi-year deals, but the player is never guaranteed more than one year at a time.
With a deal like this, the Indians essentially exercise their 2009, 2010 and 2011 "options" on Carmona, guaranteeing him certain salaries regardless of his health or performance. In return, the Indians get reduced salaries than Carmona would have received in arbitration, and they also get options for 2013 and 2014 that they otherwise would not have had.
Grady Sizemore's deal similarly extended his commitment to the Indians for two additional years, but in his deal, only the final year is non-guaranteed, not the final three. The Indians generally do not believe in guaranteeing contracts for longer than three years for any pitcher, and just a year ago, they similarly gave Jake Westbrook an extension guaranteed three years beyond the current season.
For this past offseason, Carmona was the only young player obviously in line for a lockup contract. Garko and Gutierrez will not reach arbitration for another two seasons, and unlike Sizemore and Peralta, their 2007 performances were not so extravangantly productive as to inspire an early strike on a long-term deal. Cabrera, Perez and others likewise can be signed to longer deals after 2008 if their performances warrant it.
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First Four Years
Rosenthal is reporting that the guaranteed portion is $15MM over four years.
Nice work by Shapiro, as usual.
by vegaswatch on Apr 10, 2008 12:38 PM EDT 0 recs
Fausto's MORP over the next four years:
2008: $11.53M
2009: $11.55M
2010: $10.85M
2011: $11.98M
We're paying $15M for all four years. Total. As in, like, combined. And BP has Fausto decidely mediocre compared to last year (191 IP, 4.15 ERA), and declining steadily from there. That makes me happy. The contract part, not the projected-to-decline part.
by maledicta on Apr 10, 2008 1:12 PM EDT 0 recs
not to be a downer, but doesn't morp presume free-agent status?
by emil minty on
Apr 10, 2008 3:04 PM EDT
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Yes. Most of the savings realized over the next four years are due to his not being a free agent, only some are due to this being a smart deal.
On the other hand, MORP is underestimating Fausto.
by Jay on
Apr 10, 2008 3:06 PM EDT
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And perhaps maledicta's main point was that having this pitcher is worth a boatload to the team.
by Jay on
Apr 10, 2008 3:07 PM EDT
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and the milkshake thing, which i am in total agreement with.
by emil minty on
Apr 10, 2008 3:15 PM EDT
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True but I think what this demonstrates more than anything is the importance of drafting stud young pitchers and getting them to succeed early. Fausto at age 30 on the open market is way out of our league, but as a 24-year-old with one season of 215 innings and a 151 ERA+, we can lock up one of the best starters in baseball for relative chump change. Also what Jay said: BP predicts Fausto to never post an ERA below 4 again, because he's only had one good year. He's gonna be better than that.
by maledicta on
Apr 10, 2008 6:37 PM EDT
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I don't think PECOTA is seeing the in-season jump in K rates, either, and understandably it doesn't know what the hell to make of his 2006 season.
by Jay on
Apr 10, 2008 6:59 PM EDT
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Not to be nitpicky, but Carmona was actually a free agent signing from the Dominican republic. But your point is true of developing young pitchings.
by talonk on
Apr 11, 2008 10:41 AM EDT
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That isn't nit-picky, it's a key point. The folly of the fans' draft obsession is borne out here once again. Of course Fausto-at-30 is outside our budget constraints, but looking for Fausto in foreign signings is both a lot more work and a lot more potentially fruitful than looking for one in the draft.
The Tigers try to make up ground by drafting first-rounders who will demand to be overpaid. The Indians have put in the real work over many years. Fausto has cost them less to date than Rick Porcello, and will cost them less going forward as well – and like any prospect and most major league pitcher, Rick will be lucky to ever post as season like Carmona just did.
by Jay on
Apr 11, 2008 12:08 PM EDT
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Speaking of the draft .... I should have my lengthy research/essay on the importance of the draft done in a week, maybe two. Did you want me to work with you to make it into an article (formatting especially)? Or shall I just post it as Fanpost?
by talonk on
Apr 11, 2008 3:03 PM EDT
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I can't get over 2014. That is almost geologic in time.
by oxforddave on Apr 10, 2008 1:25 PM EDT 0 recs
Yea, I made that comment in another thread. When I was younger it was a number that represented the first year I would buy a flying car.
by Toxicadam on
Apr 10, 2008 1:51 PM EDT
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It is conceivable that we could rebuild and contend again well before 2014, and Fausto is young enough that we'd keep him rather than trade him.
by Jay on
Apr 10, 2008 2:01 PM EDT
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DiaTriber said it best - we all need to go buy Fausto jerseys.
by Voltaire on
Apr 10, 2008 2:11 PM EDT
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Consider it done, I wanted one of those throwbacks anyway.
by NickFantana on
Apr 10, 2008 2:30 PM EDT
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Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy, Happy, Happy, Joy!!!!!!
... any word on whether his benefits package includes Dental Insurance? That could really skew the numbers in ways we haven't considered.
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.
by Harry Doyle on Apr 10, 2008 2:31 PM EDT 0 recs
Even if the Indians never win a world series (heaven forbid!), I will never shake the idea that Shapiro is an effing genius of the highest level. If he lets CC walk, I say good riddance.
LeCavs.com!
If you were good enough, maybe we'd name it after you.
by Matt in LA on Apr 10, 2008 2:43 PM EDT 0 recs
Sadly, there will be people that complain that Shapiro sucks because he didn't trade CC in the off-season (or mid-season).
Damn, I hate fans sometimes.
by Toxicadam on
Apr 10, 2008 3:06 PM EDT
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Let's say you have a milkshake. And I have a milkshake. And Baseball Prospectus says your milkshake is worth $50 millon over four years. And I pay you $15 million for it - what happens? I... drink... your... milkshake! I drink it up!
by maledicta on Apr 10, 2008 2:44 PM EDT 0 recs
There Will Be Blood euphemisms are going to become the norm here, I think.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Apr 11, 2008 9:38 AM EDT
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No wonder Antonnetti wants to stay with the Tribe. You won't find a franchise/job that is set up like this one for the next 5 years.
by Toxicadam on Apr 10, 2008 3:05 PM EDT 0 recs
Not to be a jerk, and I'm very thankful for all of my privileges from being an American, but those are his teeth post fixing? Ouch.
by kwoog on Apr 10, 2008 3:07 PM EDT 0 recs
I watched him in that dominant set-up role that Jay referred to in the series in St. Louis that year. I had fantastic seats for the game and was able to see the movement on his fastball up close. I told my dad, who I was at the game with, that his stuff looked like that of an ace. We both agreed that his stuff looked better than Sabathia's even who we had seen start the game. It was at that point I decided he should be in the rotation, and I am glad he eventually found his way.
I have been meaning to order a Fausto jersey since October, but this will be the impetus I needed to get moving on that.
by Roger Dorn on Apr 10, 2008 3:25 PM EDT 0 recs
Is there a place to order jerseys besides teh team shop? And have player names on the back that don't cost $200+?
Il faut d'abord durer.
by CU Adam on
Apr 10, 2008 3:36 PM EDT
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I've ordered from teamdepot.com in the past and they quality and authenticity are excellent. Highly recommened.
-Erik
by drerikbrady on
Apr 10, 2008 3:41 PM EDT
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Damn, I really want a Fausto jersey but can't justify spending $200. Plus I'm not really sure what size I wear.
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on
Apr 10, 2008 3:57 PM EDT
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Think of it as a 7 year investment, you can amortize the cost over the life of the contract
by Roger Dorn on
Apr 10, 2008 4:10 PM EDT
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That's one I'd feel comfortable depreciating straight-line, too. No need for a front-loaded schedule.
by fleerdon on
Apr 10, 2008 4:33 PM EDT
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i like fausto
Sizemore-Shapiro 2008. The Official Red Bull of Let's Go Tribe Game Threads.
by Gradyforpresident on Apr 10, 2008 4:43 PM EDT 0 recs
I could be wrong, but I believe Grady is only signed through 2012
by cheech99 on Apr 10, 2008 5:04 PM EDT 0 recs
we'll have Westbrook and Pronk's contracts expiring to re-sign Grady, right? Right?? He ain't goin anywhere, right??
by ASP on
Apr 10, 2008 10:37 PM EDT
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Grady's deal isn't up for five years, so mainly, it's a little early to panic. Can we at least make sure he remains a healthy, star player for another couple of years before we do?
Jake's contract ends in 2010, and Pronk's last guaranteed year is 2012. Neither player is likely to be a factor in our next negotiation with Grady. If his career continues at a high level, I would imagine they'll be talking to him after the 2010 season, while he still has two more years left on his current deal. Then again, maybe they approach him after 2009, still three whole years left on his current deal, and see if he'd be willing to tack on two more years, 2013 and 2014. Grady will turn 32 late in the 2014 season, and it may make more sense to commit earlier to those two seasons, rather than to wait and be forced into committing to his mid-30's seasons.
by Jay on
Apr 10, 2008 10:50 PM EDT
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You are not wrong, you are right! I fixed it, good catch, thank you.
by Jay on
Apr 10, 2008 10:45 PM EDT
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I say good for Cleveland, because he has been unhittable for a while now, and good for Fausto, who has worked really hard and is supporting a family from a really poor area (they aren't poor now).
Disappointed by the Indians since 1995.
by FaustosSinkingFastball on Apr 10, 2008 7:18 PM EDT 0 recs
Rotation 2009
1. Fausto Carmona
2. Jake Westbrook
After that it gets iffy...I'd love to pencil in Lee, but its hard to know what to expect. Basically assuming its all in-house this is my way off base projection for next year's 3-5 pitching spots.
3. Lee
4. Laffey or Sowers- Not ready to anoint Laffey or dispose of Sowers at least not yet.
5. Adam Miller (This kid is the wild card. He might be trade bait, or he could be in the bullpen. I hope he's in the rotation.)
Sorry C.C. I love you big guy, but this move signals to me that Shapiro isn't upping his ante and he's ready to look elsewhere.
by mjschaefer on Apr 10, 2008 7:47 PM EDT 0 recs
I don't think the Fausto extension has much to do with CC, to be honest. It is the right move in a CC stays or a CC walks scenario
by Roger Dorn on
Apr 10, 2008 9:00 PM EDT
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Agreed. This contract is a smart move independent of any other consideration.
by Jay on
Apr 10, 2008 10:05 PM EDT
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Actually if anything, this could increase our chances to resign CC (not saying it will happen mind you). Shapiro and company can now sit with CC and his agent and say look, we are offering you XX $$. And look at the core players who will be with you over your next deal:
Westbrook: 2010
Hafner 2012 (2013 club option)
Victor 2009 (2010 club option)
Grady 2011 (2012 club option)
Jhonny 2010 (2011 club option)
Betancourt 2009 (2010 club option)
Fausto 2011 (2012-2014 club options)
plus club control on the following:
Garko 4 years
Barfield 4 years
Perez 4 years
Gutz 4 years
Shoppach 3 years
Asdrubal 5 years
and others as well too
That is 13 of his teammates that will more than likely be around for a good portion of CC's contract if re-signs. Will that be enough to sway him? Probably not. But I bet he'll actually consider it.
The only current players who probably will not be around are Byrd, Blake, JoeBo, Dellucci, Michaels and Carroll. Everyone else has a strong possiblity of being here.
by talonk on
Apr 11, 2008 10:52 AM EDT
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Except that we already had Carmona through 2012 even before this deal, and the Indians are unlikely to give C.C. a fifth guaranteed year. (Keep in mind, too, that C.C. if extended would trade veto rights in two years, even if it's not part of the contract.)
My guess is that if it has any effect, it's more social and sociological. I do think there is a certain momentum to these signings, and Carmona's extension is another reminder to C.C. that literally every other player has been making concrete plans to stick around. And perhaps also: Look how happy that guy is, making his first $15 million. What the hell have I been stewing around for?
But it won't happen.
by Jay on
Apr 11, 2008 11:39 AM EDT
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FYI, I've added a lot more to the main article since first posting it ... contract details and context in the early part, and more analysis after the jump.
by Jay on Apr 10, 2008 8:04 PM EDT 0 recs
The Indians and Carmona’s agent, Jorge Brito, agreed to the deal before his first start this season, a dominating win over the Chicago White Sox. The team wanted to wait until it completed a West Coast trip before announcing Carmona’s new contract.
This is one of my favorite parts. No leaks from the tribe FO.
by oxforddave on Apr 10, 2008 10:13 PM EDT 0 recs
ESPN's headline has (not C.C.) in parentheses. It wasn't that earlier today. I wonder if fans overreacted and thought it was about C.C. I'm happen this deal took place, it make the possibility of losing C.C. forgettable for a few brief moments.
by kova on Apr 10, 2008 10:31 PM EDT 0 recs
Nicely done
Great move by the Tribe. If he keeps up his level of play, Cleveland's pulled off an absolute steal for this caliber pitcher compared to the price tags they normally command. There were very few leaks, you're right...I heard a rumor about this on the rootzoo.com forums but couldn't confirm its validity until later in the day. Not a peep otherwise. Very well done.
by aaron39 on Apr 11, 2008 3:11 AM EDT 0 recs
But in reality, Shapiro and the Indians organization are only reaping the rewards for developing Carmona in the first place. They should absolutely be commended for the very flexibile contract they negotiated, but most of the legwork took place years ago, from initially signing Carmona, to developing him in the minors, to finally moving him back to the starting rotation. Now they've leveraged those player development decisions into getting one of the best pitchers in the AL signed to a bargain contract because of how MLB structures player salaries.
The contract wasn't the goal, it was the reward.
by Ryan on
Apr 11, 2008 10:07 AM EDT
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Something we don't keep in mind enough. Yes, the Indians get great contracts, but it's far more significant that they have developed so many young players who are worth giving these deals to.
Player development is the franchise.
by Jay on
Apr 11, 2008 11:40 AM EDT
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It's amazing when you think about it. I can recall all of those offensive machine teams I grew up on, and I love how we've finally developed some exceptional pitching to go with a generally solid offense.
At this point its hard to say if its a skill that this club has, or if there are some strokes of luck involved too.
by mjschaefer on
Apr 11, 2008 1:36 PM EDT
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Hello everyone,
Great job again by Shapiro and company, including Fausto's agent, Jorge Brito, to get this done! :-)
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
by indiansfan on Apr 11, 2008 3:24 AM EDT 0 recs
fausto looks good
Sizemore-Shapiro 2008. The Official Red Bull of Let's Go Tribe Game Threads.
by Gradyforpresident on Apr 11, 2008 11:46 AM EDT 0 recs
Great new. And excellent recap guys.
Is SBN buying actual photos now? That's a very nice element to the look of the page.
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