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Game Thirteen: Red Sox 6, Indians 4

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 Joe Borowski WPA: -.742

This Manny Ramirez quote pretty much says all you need to know about how Joe Borowski pitched last night:

"[It was] like a fastball," Ramirez said. "It was something like 80 [mph]. Or a changeup. It was right there."

 If what Joe Borowski threw to Ramirez was a fastball, then there's something wrong with him physically. If that's the case, at least there's reason to hope that Joe can regain those mphs that he's lost. If he's healthy, then he can't be the closer any longer.

"The ball just wasn't coming out of his hand like you typically see with him," manager Eric Wedge said, "and he didn't have the location he normally has."

Such concerns reek of potential arm or shoulder trouble, and Borowski did not deny that a postgame MRI exam was a possibility.

All of which points Joe not entering the game the next time a save situation presents itself. It stinks that it had to come down to this, for Borowski's velocity has been down all season - it wasn't like he was throwing faster in his first few appearances. And what if Casey Blake had been playing his normal position to start the ninth? Would all this soul-searching have occurred even if Joe had gotten the save? I would hope so.

Of course, the reason Borowski entered the game in the first place shouldn't be forgotten. Jake Westbrook, after a high-stress first, pitched very well again, getting the Indians into the seventh inning. And the offense, while still not firing on all cylinders, showed some resemblence to the patient, pitcher-devouring approach employed last year. The only problem is that they were one hit from putting the game away in the fifth; Ryan Garko and Franklin Gutierrez struck out with the bases loaded against Julian Tavarez, who to be fair had great stuff. But the opportunity was there, and they couldn't take advantage of it.

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...And just like that, Borowski’s on the 15 day. Just got the text message update from mlb.com.

by MikeCP on Apr 15, 2008 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Voltaire on Apr 15, 2008 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks for the confirmation; I’m listening to Pluto on a delayed basis.

by palcal on Apr 15, 2008 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Terry Pluto expects JoBo to be put on DL and/or shut down

by palcal on Apr 15, 2008 1:16 PM EDT reply actions  

strained triceps muscle

by palcal on Apr 15, 2008 1:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Is that muscle in the neck? From watching the ball fly out at 120 mph.

by oxforddave on Apr 15, 2008 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

POTW Nominee

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Apr 15, 2008 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

This would be a good point in the year that it’d be nice to look back on in October saying “Remember when X Player stepped up and became the one of the best closers in the game”

by MikeCP on Apr 15, 2008 1:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Except they didn’t call Miller up.

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Apr 15, 2008 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disheartening yes, but between betancourt, lewis, masa, and breslow, I think we can live with keeping miller in the SP role in the minors

by MikeCP on Apr 15, 2008 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is there really any reason to think he’s ready? He’s never succeeded in Buffalo, he wasn’t great in ST, and he hasn’t pitched in a game this year (right? have I missed him?).

Obviously, his talent is transcendent but that doesn’t mean he’s going to succeed in the majors right now.

by afh4 on Apr 15, 2008 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he’s in extended spring training. Blisters or something.

by peter m on Apr 15, 2008 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I know. That doesn’t exactly lead me to believe he should go straight to Cleveland.

by afh4 on Apr 15, 2008 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Certainly not. By the way, this article mentions that Miller’s up to 80 pitches, which sounds like the want him in the Buffalo rotation anyway.

by dgcambridge on Apr 15, 2008 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, I didn’t think Miller was ready, but if they were shooting the Cinderella story MikeCP was looking for they would have sent Miller back to Central Casting with a note about stereotypes.

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Apr 15, 2008 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is he officially JoeBlow now?

Last nite’s game was the first I’ve seen all year (it was on ESPN). And I gotta tell you, he really didn’t look hurt to me. He was just throwing meatball after meatball. No movement, low 80s, right in the heart of the plate.

Unless he can regain some mph AND some location, he won’t even make a good mop-up guy.

I’d be happy to say, thank you for the 45 saves last year Joe, it earned you another few million dollars, but we have a pennant to win, have a nice life on that extra dough.

Now the hard part, who exactly do we give it to first? Raffy B has the best stuff, but I still would rather have him face the tough outs in the 7th/8th.

I just wish Wedge didn’t adhere to this rigid 9th inning save role so tightly, but it is what it is.

by talonk on Apr 15, 2008 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

does blake really get that ball if he’s not playing the line? that thing was smoked.

by emil minty on Apr 15, 2008 2:18 PM EDT reply actions  

It it’s hit right at him, yes. Otherwise … you’ve seen him play 3rd. The ball down the line after the home run was even worse—he looked like he couldn’t bend over!

by peter m on Apr 15, 2008 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it was hit right at where he usually plays – he would have caught it in self-defence.

by Ryan on Apr 15, 2008 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, but teams generally adopt the “no doubles” defense and position the 1st and 3rd basemen on the line in the late innings. not that it worked this time….

by dwight on Apr 15, 2008 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would love to see a statistical analysis of how often teams employ the “no doubles” defense and give up damaging singles and bloop hits that blow the game. It’s like the “prevent defense” in football – the only thing it usually does is prevent the defensive team from winning.

Free Andy Marte!

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Apr 15, 2008 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Especially when your pitcher pitches guys away when you’ve got the team shifted over towards right!!

by peter m on Apr 15, 2008 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lefty guys, that is.

by peter m on Apr 15, 2008 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or he would have knocked it down … or it would have knocked him down for that matter. Either way, the end result is Lugo gets a single rather than a double, he goes to second rather than 3rd when Crisp bunts and doesn’t score on Pedroia’s sac fly. At best he ends up representing the tying run on 3rd with 2 outs rather than 1.

I know that everything doesn’t necessarily happen that way if Lugo doesn’t double – but it does seem like the the no doubles defense allowed just that, and it was a small part of the save being blown. (The BIG part being JoBo’s 83-ish mph fast-up (or was it a change-ball?).

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Apr 15, 2008 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

what I’sd like to know is why the bullpen coach doesnt see this while he’s warming up and say “this guy shouldnt pitch”.

by sillystraw on Apr 15, 2008 3:09 PM EDT reply actions  

[deleted, flame-baiting]

Try again, in a way that doesn’t reference totalitarians.

by Ryan on Apr 15, 2008 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

oops . . . sorry. I did not intend to be incendiary or inflammatory, etc. It was written tongue-in-cheek, but I suppose it could be construed otherwise. My bad.

by DocNo on Apr 15, 2008 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Silver lining. Borowski was as a problem, but now he is gone, and was never integral to the team. But conside the redsox. Did Ortiz look bad or what? Worse then I have ever seen Pronk. Ortiz couldn’t even hit Borowski’s meatballs. Losing Big Papi will really thin them out.

by oxforddave on Apr 15, 2008 3:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Then again, they didn’t exactly seem worse for the loss last night.

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"I love baseball. You know it doesn't have to mean anything, it's just beautiful to watch." - Woody Allen

by vbc3 on Apr 15, 2008 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

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